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Wisconsin recall: 3 GOP State Senators Trail Generic Dem, More at Risk

by: DavidNYC

Wed Mar 16, 2011 at 3:14 PM EDT


(Cross-posted from Daily Kos.)

We asked our pollster, Public Policy Polling, to test the waters in all eight Republican-held state Senate districts in Wisconsin which are currently the target of recall efforts. PPP went into the field over the weekend, and the numbers we got back are very interesting. I've summarized the key results in the table below.

Dist. Incumbent Approve Dis-
approve
Support
Recall
Oppose
Recall
Vote
Incumbent
Vote
Democrat
Number of
Responses
2 Rob Cowles 32 40 36 39 45 43 2,199
8 Alberta Darling 51 42 38 54 52 44 1,333
10 Sheila Harsdorf 43 43 38 47 48 44 2,385
14 Luther Olsen 32 42 40 39 47 49 2,307
18 Randy Hopper 38 47 44 33 44 49 2,550
20 Glenn Grothman 49 30 28 53 60 32 2,561
28 Mary Lazich 35 29 26 44 56 34 2,471
32 Dan Kapanke 41 55 52 44 41 55 2,759

We asked a battery of questions in each poll (links to full results are at the end of this post). One basic question asked whether respondents approve of the job performance of each senator-those numbers are in the first two columns after each incumbent's name. Four senators have negative ratings, and one is even-not particularly welcome news for Republicans.

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We also asked whether respondents support or oppose the idea of recalling their senators. As you can see in the next pair of columns, this question doesn't test as well-pluralities say they favor recall in just three districts-but in a way, it's the least important question we asked. As long as canvassers collect enough valid signatures, a recall election will happen automatically under Wisconsin law. So while this is helpful information to have, it is far from dispositive, especially when contrasted with the next pair of columns.

"Vote Incumbent" and "Vote Democrat" summarize data from our most critical question. We asked poll-takers whether, in a hypothetical election that would be held later this year, they'd support the incumbent (whom we mentioned by name), or his/her "Democratic opponent." (This sort of question is often described as testing a "generic Democrat.") Here, the results give us reason to be cautiously optimistic.

Three Republican incumbents actually trail "generic Dem": Luther Olsen, Randy Hopper, and Dan Kapanke. Two more have very narrow leads and garner less than 50% support: Rob Cowles and Sheila Harsdorf. And one more, Alberta Darling, holds a clear lead but is still potentially vulnerable. (Two recall-eligible senators, Mary Lazich and Glenn Grothman, sit in extremely red districts and look to have safe leads.) These numbers suggest we have a chance to make five and possibly six recall races highly competitive.

But a key thing to remember, though, is that if any of these senators have to face a recall election, we'll need an actual candidate to run against each of them. In that regard, Wisconsin's recalls are very different from California's, where in 2003 voters were simply asked if they wanted to remove Democratic Gov. Gray Davis from office. Arnold Schwarzenegger was elected (with less than a majority) by means of a separate ballot question. In my view, California's system makes it easier to boot an office-holder, because at bottom, the first question simply asks if you'd prefer some other-any other-alternative. If your answer was "yes," you then had your choice on the second question, whether it was Arnold (R) or Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante (D) or Gary Coleman (?). In Wisconsin, if a recall election makes it on to the ballot, there is no California-style first question-we go directly to a head-to-head between candidates (with a possible stop along the way for primaries). So for a recall to succeed, we'll need to convince voters to support a real live Democrat-and that means we'll have to recruit some good candidates.

As the recall process moves forward, you'll want to bookmark this link and keep it handy. It's a chart of the 2004 & 2008 presidential results in each state Senate district in Wisconsin. While not a perfect measurement, the presidential numbers offer a clear baseline for a rough-cut assessment of how competitive each district is likely to be. Of course, many other factors are involved, but if you click the link, you'll understand immediately why Kapanke is in such trouble - he's in the bluest district held by a Republican, one that went 61% for Obama and 53% for Kerry. A little further down the list, you'll see that Olsen, Cowles, Hopper, Harsdorf, and Darling all occupy districts with roughly similar presidential results that hover in swingy territory, so you can see why at least the first four are at risk. Darling's stronger performance is somewhat surprising, given that senators in comparable districts all do worse, but even she is not out of the woods. Bringing up the rear are Lazich and Grothman, who holds the most Republican seat in the entire state. It's hard to imagine a scenario in which either of them could fall.

One final detail: You'll notice that in the table up above, the last column reads "Number of Responses." That refers to how many people actually completed our poll when we called them. If you're familiar with electoral polling at all, those numbers are simply eye-popping, particularly for state senate districts. Our target was 600 to 800 respondents per poll, and yet we got well into the two thousand range for all but one of them (and even that outlier had over 1,300). What does this mean? The only reasonable conclusion is that an unusually high proportion of Wisconsinites are tuned into this conflict, and when given the opportunity to make their opinions heard, they jumped at the chance. While we can't yet say for sure whether the enthusiasm gap has been erased, we do know that folks in Wisconsin are very definitely paying attention.

And so, of course, are we. As the situation warrants, we'll revisit these districts and test the poll numbers again. For now, though, we wait on the outcome of the petition drive to force these recall elections in the first place. Then the battle will really begin.

Full Results: Cowles | Darling | Harsdorf | Olsen | Hopper | Grothman | Lazich | Kapanke

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Greg Sergant senses that Hopper is panicking...
is he the philanderer?
or is that one of the others? curious how that election will go with the wife against her hubby(perhaps recruit her to run?)

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you would have to think
his resignation is only a 'matter of time'(not 'if' but 'when')

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Not true if he's running a radio ad!......
If he's running ads, he's not thinking about resigning at all.

Maybe at some point he will, but not unless he gets talked into it.

Problem is, what's the basis for his fellow GOPers to demand his resignation beyond just philandering?  I don't belittle how awful that is in itself, but Republicans have become so nonchalant about their elected officials doing that, that it makes it a tough sell to demand his resignation over that now.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Lordy lordy!
So Hopper starts his radio ad with, "Another day, another protest in Madison."  Is he asking to lose?  Do not belittle your opponents, it only makes them more determined.

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Some inside intel...
First, thanks David for posting this.

So, I have a friend who works in Wisconsin government and has some connections on the Repub side of things. He was telling me some interesting stuff the other night. Take this with a grain of salt.

1). Massive pressure is being put on Hopper to resign, particularly now that the mistress situation is coming out. If he does, that makes this seat much easier to hold for the Republicans.

2). Other than that, Krapanke is viewed in a huge amount of trouble, but there is confidence they can hold the other seats. There is a thought that people are going to feel less strongly about this in the summer, when the elections will be held. Also of note, Darling is actually thought to be in the most trouble of the remaining Senators, even though she did well in this poll.

3). This was the most interesting piece of information: there's speculation in Republican circles that Walker might not mind losing the Senate. The theory being that Walker is actually more moderate than people realize (he was Milwaukee county executive for eight years) and it's Fitzgerald (who has a reputation for being quite a d-bag), who was driving a lot of this. If Republicans lose the Senate, Walker can position himself as more of a centrist, and a recall against him can't take place until May of 2012 at the earliest anyway. By then, with a recovering economy, a lot of the steam will be taken out of the movement.

Don't know what anyone thinks about this. David is probably right this is going to be a bit trickier than the California election. If Hopper resigns, I think it's a 50-50 chance Dems take the Senate, if he doesn't, I think it's more like 70-30 we win.  


he won't last another week
the pr hits in other areas will force him into 'sacrificial lamb' status(i love it when 'family values' repubs get 'exposed' for their unbelievable hypocricy)

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I don't think hopper resigning makes it any easier..
The recall election is a referendum on Walker and the Republicans in general, and then it would be an open seat.  Even a damaged incumbent is still an incumbent.

Their presumption that this will all blow over by summer is really a mistake.  There will be a massive budget fight going all the way through June.  There will be many more issues to piss people off.

The last point is bullshit.  Walker is no moderate and even if this was Fitz pushing this hard, it was Walker's idea first, not Fitz's.


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That's good to know...
I wasn't sure where this had all originated. In fairness to my friend, he wasn't saying it was Fitzgerald's idea, just suggesting that Walker was more open to compromise.

To your point, Lord Mike, about Hopper, one other problem for the Republican: are they going to come out opposed to the bill? Probably not - since the vast majority of Republicans in the Senate supported the bill. And they have to keep their base. So I'm not sure Hoppers resignation helps all that much (it probably helps a little, though, since it does give people one less reason to vote against the Republican).  


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Hopper just hired big gun campaign manager...
Doesn't sound like he's quitting if he's doing that...

http://news.firedoglake.com/20...

But, a lot can change in a few months...

Walker was not negotiating in good faith... I doubt he was very open to compromise.  Maybe more so than Fitz was, but his "compromises" were all window dressing anyways.


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can he raise money?
with his numbers tanking at the same time his personal 'issues' are surfacing, i think he may have fundraising 'problems'

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Sure he can...
This is a referendum on Walker, not Hopper.  The Walkerites will be all in, if necessary.

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my response to this
would be that they might 'cut losses' with hopper and kapanke and put their resources in more 'winnable' districts to hold their majority

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Just call him
Dan Walk-the-ka-plank-e? Maybe - but that cuts their margin of error to literally one seat.

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totally agree with you
but you see the same sample sizes i see; NO WAY kapanke survives the recall and with hopper's current 'issues'(his numbers here are probably higher than they would be in say another two weeks)his survival looks pretty slim(my personal hope would be that the other side tries to spend money in all the districts but i don't think that they will)

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all great points BUT
our side still has a huge recruiting job to do(recall would be easy but for the fact that our side has to put up a 'viable alternative' in all the districts that are vulnerable;on the same note i think it is clear that 2 of those districts are 'out of play' and we need to recognize that and spend our resources accordingly)

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Potential Candidates
While I am not that familiar with the benches at such a local level there are several candidates that come to mind.
First, against Darling, Sheldon Wasserman, who represented the North Shore in the assembly for 14 years and the one who came close to beating her, is rumored to try again.  There is also the Rep who came after him, Sandy Pasch, who is also very good.
Second, against Hopper, there is Gordon Hintz.  He is an excellent State Rep and is known for being a hardworking campaigner.  However, he does have some personal issues related to a prostitution sting.
Third, against Harsdorf there is Ann Hraychuck, who was a State Rep elected in 2006 and 2008, but caught up in the Republican wave.  Her district is actually more Republican than the Senate district and in 2008, Obama actually lost her district narrowly, but she won with 55 percent of the vote, so she is a proven campaigner.
These are just the names that come to mind.  Rest assured the state party is cognizant of the need to recruit viable candidates.  

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Wasn't Mark saying
That he thinks our chances are better if Hopper does not resign? I would agree with that.

And unless there are other Chris Lee-esque skeletons lurking, I'm not at all convinced Hopper will resign. He's separated from his wife and is getting a divorce. This is a pretty normal thing in America. The only thing that stands out is that his new lover is a lot younger... but even that isn't such a big deal. (And come on, she's an adult.) I actually think it's the stories about him not living in-district which are the most damaging (even if legally he's not likely to get into trouble on those grounds).

But John Ensign withstood much, much worse for much longer - and David Vitter even sought (and won!) re-election. I could be wrong about the gravity of the offense, but it doesn't seem like Hopper has done anything in Ensign or Vitter territory.


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yep
pretty sure his point was just that about hopper(as an aside , don't you love these guys with their hypocricy?

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don't you think though that wisc
voters would be different that LA voters(in other words, when is the last time wisc voters voted for an edwin edwards or 'dollar bill' jefferson? see what i mean?

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This is a fair point
But like I say, Hopper's "offense," such as it is, was not frequenting the employees of a high-profile madame, nor paying bribes to his mistress and violating lobbying rules to find a job for her husband. He met another woman and left his wife. That's pretty routine in America.

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True, but for a guy who already had an uphill battle
It sure doesn't help. Hopper is not showing signs of resigning, but I have no doubt my friend is right, that Republicans are putting massive pressure on him to resign right now. It extremely doubtful he can hold the seat in a recall.  

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good points
though i would say this will hit him with his donor base(or maybe not if you look at the way newt is spinning his philandering as actually being a form of 'PATRIOTISM')

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The mistress has been unconfirmed as well..
Right now, it's still just rumor.  Nothing definitive on the lover.

I hope he stays in... It sounds like he wants to, but if his numbers tank in the next few weeks, then he may be forced to leave.


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agreed
since it sounds like folks on the goper side want him gone(which means they can read polls like this one just as well as we can)perhaps we are better off with him staying in

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We are better off with him staying in, certainly..
But, it's not the end of the world if he leaves like some people think.  I think our chances remain about the same.  I'd rather he stick around and get humiliated, though.

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lololololol
that would make this all the more fun for our side

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Think I'm going to disagree with you a little here
I think our chances of taking the Senate are better with Hopper in it. But I agree it doesn't mean Republicans will neccesarily keep the seat if he resigns, only that they won't have such an uphill battle to do so.

So I hope Hopper doesn't resign, not because of the humilitation factor, but because I want to ensure Dems win.  


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Hopper resigning
would be taken as a defeat for Republicans - and a sign of weakness. And it would probably spur even more activism and hunger on our side. There would be the proverbial "blood in the water."

My sense is that the Republicans would have a SLIGHTLY better shot at retaining the seat without Hopper there, but I don't think it would amount to much. This is going to be a referendum on Scott Walker and the so-called "Budget Repair Bill." The candidates are almost incidental. Plus, this poll showing Hopper behind was taken BEFORE his marital issues became public knowledge. That is probably the baseline for the Republican candidate.

Our voters will come out in droves in this district and the others - and we'll have the made-in-heaven GOTV resource of tens of thousands of voter signatures.


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Agree w/LordMike, our chances are the same either way. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Agreed, I can sit here and debate both sides
But bottom line, they are fucked regardless.  Our scary black President awoken their beast, attacking middle class families awoken ours.

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It's a lesson we keep learning: victory breeds complacency, and...
...defeat breeds angry resistance.

The last 2 years are the first complacence we've had this millenium.  The way Dubya was handed the Presidency in the first place ensured he would never be given any legitimacy or any benefit of doubt by the Democratic base.  That changed for a few months after 9/11, but the softening was, inevitably, fleeting.  We were dampened until 2003, when we started a period of intense opposition that never let up right through Obama's election.

But having absolute power and even supermajorities in both chambers of Congress really quieted Democrats.

Then the GOP got angry for the first time in a decade.

Now, our side is back in action just as hard as the Rethugs.  Now they're the ones trying to rationalize that somehow the political fallout won't be as bad as some say.

Honestly, Scott Walker has unwittingly made himself one of THE major drivers of voter motivation for the 2012 cycle, in a good way for us and bad for Rethugs.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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The mistress hasnt been confirmed BUT
No one on the GOP side has made any effort to push back on this story for the past 3 days, so I think its safe to assume its true.

23, dude, gay, IL-13

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Agree on Hopper, in fact his resigning helps us, not them......
This is all about Hopper's affair, which yes is a big deal, but voters are used to this by now.  They're disgusted by it, but they decided after Bill Clinton that philandering by itself is not enough to can someone.  Hopper's cheatin' heart certainly helps us, no doubt, it's fuel on the fire, but like LordMike said it's offset by his being the incumbent.  A replacement candidate for a special election--and that's what it would be, no longer a recall--would have to build support from the ground-up with nothing to start with.  Even if you get a state Rep., big deal, that's on par with someone the Dems can recruit.  And it's still a problem for Republicans that everyone would be aware the resignation was in the wake of a recall election caused by the union-busting bill and the GOP's tyrannical tactics--that's the driving voting issue in the campaign with or without Hopper.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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The "feeling less strongly in the summer" hope is wishful delusion, because...
...once the recall election is on the calendar, voters quickly and easily get re-sensitized.  The free media coverage will be enormous because this is just unprecedented, all the reasons the recall is happening get repeated ad nauseum.  And then the ads are flying, direct mail is hitting people's doors, and it's just like a regular election where people are reminded what's shaped their political state of mind in the last year or so.

This just isn't the sort of thing that blows over until voters get a chance to voice their views.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Totally agree
But there's a lot of evidence the Wisconsin GOP is being complacent about this

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EXCELLENT
news; long way to recall though

those are truly amazing sample sizes
the free media in the recall elections will work to our advantage(free media will be huge here as it was in CALI recall)

Yep, eyepopping
Couldn't believe `em when I first saw `em.

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The media collectively painted the bill getting passed as "rammed" through
I don't call that liberal bias, I call that corporate bias.  They were pissed the story was over.

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I have to think that Hopper will be resigning soon
That would potentially  increase the security of that seat for Republicans, but they'd still have to play defense in an open seat. Harsdorf looks more vulnerable than Darling, but Darling had a narrower win last time around, so I think she's more vulnerable even if the polling shows her in better shape.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

GOP Complacent with Fab 14 recall
Teabag organizers are not getting any support from the WI GOP and very limited support from national groups.  They've had to trim their target list now to 3 from their original 8.  Conservatives in WI are crying that the party as a whole has become complacent and are being out organized and outdriven by our side.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

The word on the street is that the WI GOP is convinced that this thing will simply blow over by summer.  I hope they keep thinking that.


I grinned when I read that earlier,
because it makes it seem that we're ahead only by dint of work and elbow grease. There's no acknowledgment from Republicans that we're ahead because people are pissed off by their positions, and whatever support they have for those positions is lukewarm.

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Stop
bitching teabaggers. It's your and the liars reporters at Fox News' fault you can't get your members frothing at the mouth over this like you did during the HCR debate. Thanks Scott Walker for lighting a fire under our complacent party's ass when we most needed it. (Sorry for all the swearing.)

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Recalls for a solid reason never just blow over
Here in CA, there have been a few legislators recalled in the past, because the opposition had their reason and were energized, they did not just blow over. The situation in WI is much bigger than the examples I just used, so the GOP is deluded to think they will skate through this.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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Even the generally reserved Larry Sabato weighs in...
After the Miami recall last night:

Miami's a long way from WI, but voters are in a surly mood. Some of those WI state SEN recalls may very well happen.http://n.pr/ihnrr1

http://twitter.com/LarrySabato...


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Us Dems probably thought the exact same thing about the tea party
It'll blow over after tax day, whatever.  We started earlier, and already have the coalition built into place.  The GOP are truly pissing off every coalition of the Democratic Party, best represented by the constitutional mayhem here in MN.  Dayton can veto any bill so the legislature only has one option, constitutional amendments that when passed both by houses, it automatically goes to the vote.

They want to put Photo ID (people of color and the elderly), right to work (unions), gay marriage (LGBT), and personhood begins at conception (women) onto the ballot, with only the environmentalists being spared, for now.  That's 50%+1 right there in any swing, Midwestern state.

Keep it up GOP, you got elected to create job, not piss off your own base and energize ours.  (Wtf, this is exactly what we did in 2010.  The economy creates mayhem I guess?)


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Would having all of these things on the
ballot help Democrats or Republicans?

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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WI
Weigel is claiming Tea Party activists in Wisconsin are claiming they are at 50% for the needed signatures just like the Democrats are.

29/D/Male/NY-01

All of this damn claiming!


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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They have a history of making exaggerated claims about everything...
I'll believe it when I see it...

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Agree, you don't get that many signatures this fast with a rag tag operation......
The signature threshhold is just overwhelming, really prohibitive without the perfect storm.  Getting valid sigs for a recall election from at least 25% of the number of votes cast in the last Guv race, in 60 days' time, is really really really really really hard, and requires a well-oiled machine of an organization.

And I'm not surprised at all by the Huffington piece, although I'm happy to have my own expectation validated.  I figured all along that the fact we haven't a heard a peep about GOP efforts against Dems meant that they're not doing much.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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They're essentially legitimizing
the recall process by participating in it. What happened to the line: Elections have consequences?

I say: Bring it on! The more energy around the recalls, the more ferocious our efforts will be.

For a sense of how dramatic recalls can be (and how much they can tip to the side with the enthusiasm), check out last night's Miami Dade elections. Wisconsin will be significantly different, but I have a feeling Republicans are scared - and for good reason.


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Michelle Bachman says they have a million signatures!
And so does Fox News!

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Two unimpeachable sources


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Hmm
Did they maybe hack the DMV servers and steal the signatures of every licensed driver in the state?

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Yes, and I'm the Duke of Earl
I find it difficult to believe anything the Tea Party claims.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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Photo of Randy Hopper wearing an AFSCME shirt
http://www.facebook.com/recall...

what a jerk.

23, dude, gay, IL-13


Make Me Sick
All you democrats/communists make me ( a real middle class taxpayer in Wisconsin) want to puke.  These may be your numbers.  OK.  I bet Darling's numbers surprised you jerks!  As time progresses and the people of the state come to learn just how the unions have raped them for years the tide will turn even more against you.

The big speeches by Jesse Jackson (how many $ did he pay in Wis taxes last year? - but I bet Acorn helped him get a few votes in for Barret) and Jimmy Hoffa and other organized crime members will be remembered for what they were. Union crybaby wind.

Lastly let's not forget the recalls against Holperin, Wirch and that scumbag Hansen.  Those should even things out just fine.

In the meantime why don't you crawl back under the rock where you came from?


I shall let this comment stand
As a monument to all that is good and just in the Republican Party.

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I guess the conservatives really are worried up there..
I've never seen a troll this obtuse for as long as I've been here.

I'm glad we are getting under their skin.


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Yeah
We don't seem to attract a lot of rabble (fortunately). But this guy was reasonably enjoyable, so I won't complain. Nor, I trust, will you... comrade. :)

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Enjoy your weekend...
...and then make sure to thank a union for it.

Asshat!


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Thank you
Usually it's just tea-paulists who google us and have to comment.  This reminds me of the hatemail post DK does weekly!  Too fun.  Arg, we're all angry, and pirates apparently.

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The sad thing is
I almost never get hatemail. I wish I did! But this will have to suffice.

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