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SSP Daily Digest: 3/14

by: DavidNYC

Mon Mar 14, 2011 at 8:08 AM EDT


AZ-Sen: This is amusingly insane. I'm certainly all for it!

CA-Sen: Our long national nightmare is finally over: Meg Whitman says she will "definitely not" run against Sen. Diane Feinstein (D) next year. Rather, she says she's going to spend time campaigning for fellow rich guy Mitt Romney. (Also, here's an amusing tidbit: Earlier this year, she joined the board of none other than Hewlett-Packard - the company her 2010 Republican ticket-mate Carly Fiorina nearly ran into the ground.)

CT-Sen: In an interesting development, fans of magical realism have been making a push for Borges to enter the Connecticut Senate race. Ah, wait. What's that? Fuck. So, um, former state Treasurer Frank Borges (D), who left office in 1993, says supporters are asking him to run, and while's he's thinking about it, he's set no timetable for a decision. Borges is CEO of a private equity firm (so I'm guessing he's pretty rich), and he'd be the state's first black senator if successful.

FL-Sen: Rep. Vern Buchanan (R) is starting to sound like a "no" for the Senate race. Now that he's scored a spot on the Ways & Means Committee, he says he's less likely to seek a promotion. In fact, he very explicitly said: "If this hadn't happened, I would have been looking to do something else." That sort of talk has to make you figure that the GOP's takeover of the House has actually been bad news for one Republican: NRSC chair John Cornyn.

In much sillier (and related) news, Cornyn told The Hill that he had tried to recruit former congressman and current MSNBC host Joe Scarborough to run against Bill Nelson. Undoubtedly, this made make Rep. Connie Mack a little hot under the collar, because the NRSC wigged out and Cornyn weirdly tried to claim the story was "not true," even though Scarborough confirmed it. Rather, said Cornyn, he had been asking Joescar about a potential Senate run in... New York. (The Atlanta-born, Alabama-educated, Florida-elected Scarborough's tv show is based in NYC.) Then, the NRSC took a dump on Joe, saying: "There are already a number of far stronger candidates looking at the Florida Senate race...." Whoops!

Also, there's a tenative Biden alert! - the VPOTUS supposedly will come down to Florida later this month to raise money for Bill Nelson.

IA-Sen: Wingnut Bob Vander Plaats, who did surprisingly well against now-Gov. Terry Branstad in last year's Republican gubernatorial primary (with an assist from some Democratic ratfuckers), was asked whether he's contemplating a run against Sen. Tom Harkin in 2014. Said BVP: "I think about it daily. That doesn't mean I'm going to run against him, Ok. I don't know."

IN-Sen: Now this is fucking interesting. I'm just going to let SSP commenter Bob Bobson summarize the situation:

WISH-TV's Jim Shella noted on his blog today that that there exists a hypothetical but plausible scenario in which state Democrats could sue to overturn the results of last year's election for Secretary of State by arguing that Charlie White wasn't a valid candidate for office. That's not really anything new, and has been rumored in the Hoosier political press for a while.

What is new here is that Shella points out that such a lawsuit, were it ruled in favor of the Democrats, wouldn't just remove White from office, but would also make the Republicans a "minor party" under state law. SSPers probably remember the whole [10]% threshold thing from the Colorado governor's race last year where Dan Maes' trainwreck candidacy nearly cost the Colorado Republicans their ballot position as a major party, and there's a similar regulation at play here. The difference is that in Indiana, it's the Secretary of State race that decides which parties are "major," and the threshold is [also] 10%. If White's candidacy is invalidated, though, that could mean that the Republicans, legally, received zero votes in the SoS race last year.

That outcome would also mean that their nominating process for statewide candidates for the next four years would be via convention and not primary. And that means Dick Lugar becomes the next Bob Bennett.

In related news, Sean Keefer, who as Deputy Secretary of State was no. 2 to Charlie White (and also served as his chief of staff, and before that, as his campaign manager) just resigned, and there's a report that White's spokesman will also quit. Even better: White staged a totally bizarro impromptu press conference on the courthouse steps after a hearing in which he pleaded not guilty to all charges. The presser only ended after White's attorney told him to "shut up" and led him away by the elbow. Fun times!

MA-Sen: Deborah Shah, a consultant to Newton Mayor Setti Warren, sent around an email (I'm guessing to some listservs) looking for college kids interested in working on a potential Warren Senate campaign, set to be staffing up at the end of April. (Aren't most students stressing about finals at that point?) Shah says that "This is just the first step to make sure you're prepared."

MI-Sen: Pete Hoekstra hasn't yet said if one of these days a Congressman from Michigan's gonna come back home and run a Senate race, but he expects to decide this spring. One tea leaf suggests he's rather stay focused on his lame-ass-looking consulting firm: He just shuttered his House campaign account, which he could have instantly turned into a Senate fund.

OH-Sen: In response to ex-Gov. Ted Strickland calling him "scurrilous," "bigoted," "reprehensible," and "laughable," the Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Republican state Treasurer Josh Mandel "said Strickland is a good person." Maybe that makes Mandel look big, I dunno, but does it also make him look like a wuss to his biggest supporters, the teabag contingent? At the same q-and-a with other GOP elected officials, SoS Jon Husted (who has declined a run) said he'd like to see Mandel take on Sherrod Brown, while AG (and ex-Sen.) Mike DeWine much more amusingly said that a Brown-Mandel matchup would be "fascinating." Is that Mr. Spock fascinating, or a trainwreck fascinating?

AZ-08: Rep. Gabby Giffords' doctors gave an update on the congresswoman's recovery on Friday, and they sounded very upbeat about her progress (though they noted that it's not a sure thing whether she'll attend her husband's space shuttle launch next month, contra what a staffer said last week). Meanwhile, 2010 Republican candidate Jesse Kelly, who very nearly beat Giffords, set up a new campaign committee for a potential rematch.

CA-37: Though Rep. Laura Richardson (D) previously denied it, a letter of resignation sent by her former district scheduler suggests that the congresswoman is indeed the subject of an ethics probe, pertaining to misuse of staff. Now Richardson's office is simply refusing to comment. The staffer's letter is really brutal, citing "constant verbal and emotional abuse" and requests that she perform tasks "on the ethical borderline." I can't imagine Richardson has a very long future in Congress (she originally won office in a 2007 special with just 37% of the primary vote in this very blue district), so who do you think could replace her?

NM-01, NM-Sen: State Sen. Eric Griego (D), who is considering a run for the House if fellow Dem Martin Heinrich decides to go for the Senate race, says he expects "the smoke to clear" by April or May, in terms of people making decisions about what they're gonna do.

NV-02: Jon Ralston says that retired Navy Commander Kirk Lippold is "in" the race for Nevada's 2nd congressional district, which ought to have a very interesting GOP primary, at the least. Lippold, who was captain of the USS Cole when it was bombed by Al Qaeda a decade ago, was touted as a possible challenger to Harry Reid last year.

NV-03: Freshman Rep. Joe Heck was the only Republican to vote against defunding the Federal Housing Administration Refinance Program (designed to help homeowners with underwater mortgages). Anticipating criticism, he put out a video press release (an actual video press release, not a "tv ad with a tiny buy designed to get free media attention") defending his vote. Could Heck be worried about getting teabagged?

NY-26: Republican nominee Jane Corwin just received the Independence Party's nomination for the special election as well, and ya know, this is a pretty darn good demonstration of why the Democrats' dithering on selecting a candidate has been a pretty dumb move. I mean, even if the IP wanted to endorse a Dem, they couldn't! (Or at least, couldn't do so yet.)

Anyhow, 2010 NY-Sen-A GOP primary loser (in other words, the guy who couldn't beat the guy who got vaporized by Chuck Schumer) Gary Bernsten sent out an email asking supporters to help teabagger David Bellavia petition his way on to the ballot as an independent. I'd be surprised if this effort is successful, though - Bellavia has only until March 19 to collection 3,500 signatures. Crazy Jack Davis is doing the same thing, but at least he has a shot, since he's putting his millions to work for him.

SD-AL: I linked this story in the Pete Hoekstra item above (see MI-Sen), but ex-Rep. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin has also closed her campaign account, suggesting that Steve Israel's efforts to woo her into a rematch with Republican Kristi Noem haven't been successful. The Fix has a long list of other Dems (and a few Repubs) who have shut down their FEC committees - click the link for the rest.

TX-LG: Texas Ag. Comm'r Todd Staples isn't ruling out a run for Lt. Gov., a seat which could become open if the current occupant, David Dewhurst, wins Kay Bailey Hutchison's Senate seat. Other possible aspirants include Comptroller Susan Combs and Land Commissioner Jerry Patterson. (And yes, since this is Texas and everyone I just mentioned holds statewide office, that means they're all Republicans.) While you might be wondering why we're going so far down into the weeds here, the LG job is considered one of the most powerful in Texas (some like to say even more powerful that the governor's), because the LG is also President of the state Senate.

Wisconsin Recall: The DLCC just launched a TV ad against GOP state Sen. Luther Olsen, attacking him for flip-flopping to support Scott Walker's anti-union legislation - though it does not mention anything about the recall effort which Olsen is (among others) the subject of. The ad (which you can watch here) is running in Green Bay, and a spokesman tells me that the buy is "about 1000 points."

Also, check out this piece from the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Craig Gilbert, which begins:

Number of state lawmakers removed from office by recall in all of American history: 13.

Number of state lawmakers currently facing recall campaigns in Wisconsin: 16.

Hawaii: In order to avoid another Charles Djou, the Hawaii House just passed a bill to institute instant runoff voting (aka IRV) for special Congressional elections. Of course, they could just hold primaries instead of jungle elections.

WATN?: Scott Lee Cohen, the disastrous Lt. Gov. candidate whose utterly failed gubernatorial bid probably saved Pat Quinn's ass, is hoping to replace ex-state Sen. Rickey Hendon, who resigned last month. Given that the replacement gets picked by a panel of Chicago Democratic Party committeemen, I'm guessing that Cohen's chances are somewhere between zero and nil.

Redistricting Roundup:

Idaho: At least one local expert is confirming what we observed last week: population shrinkage in the 2nd CD will likely require it to absorb the entire city of Boise, which is currently split between the state's two districts.

New Jersey: Richard Lee has some interesting historical details about the 1990 round of redistricting, focusing on two politicians who are still part of New Jersey's congressional delegation today: Rep. Frank Pallone and Sen. Bob Menendez. Menendez's federal career was launched when New Jersey's loss of a seat led to the creation of an Hispanic-friendly district. Pallone, meanwhile, was targeted for elimination by his own party. Said one Republican: "I'd like to see Mr. Pallone defeated. But apparently I don't want to see him defeated as much as the Democrats do." Obviously, Pallone lived to fight another day.

Meanwhile, Rutgers Prof. (and state redistricting tiebreak vote) Alan Rosenthal supposedly put out a memo outlining his vision for a fair legislative map, reportedly leading state Dems to believe their vision is much more closely aligned with Rosenthal's than is the Republicans'. But it doesn't seem like this memo, if it exists, has been released online.

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Throwing out every vote for Secy. White in Indiana...
Sounds like delicious instant karma for the fuck-you the Republicans in Wisconsin gave to their entire state. Let's not forget similar antics were attempted in Indiana, or that copycat attempts are being made in Michigan, Ohio, and Maine. The time for playing nice is surely over. If it's on the books that Secy. White, if ruled an invalid candidate for office retroactively, can have his entire vote total erased - thus giving the Indiana Libertarian Party major-party status at the Indiana Republican Party's expense - I say Democrats lobby for that law to be enforced with all their might. Besides, Vop Osili would make a decent secretary of state, and he'd give Democrats and African Americans alike some representation in the Indiana state government.

As for another black Democrat, Connecticut's Frank Borges, I have no comment other than that I'm an awfully big fan of Rep. Chris Murphy. I don't know much about Borges, but it sure would have been nice to have an alternative to then-Atty. Gen. Blumenthal last year; fortunately, Linda McMahon could be relied on to self-destruct in a way now-Sen. Marco Rubio could not.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


I guess it depends
What muscles do Dem's have to flex here.  Really they only have good lawyers and hopes that courts side with them.  They can't really do much else.  

And if vote totals for one candidate are thrown out, does that allow the second vote-getter to win or is a new election called for?


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There's really only an upside.
If nothing comes of this, then we are more or less in the same position as we've always been. If the Republicans do somehow get screwed, it's a pretty big boon for at least one cycle.

I just hope the Democrats are prepared to milk this for all its worth. There should be absolutely no hesitation, at all, to use the laws to our advantage here.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Follow the law
Indeed. It's the law. And you just know that if positions were reversed, the Republicans would dispatch Karl Rove and a band of flying monkeys to make sure Democrats got screwed.

Now if someone could just catch Kris Kobach with a transvestite hooker, I'd feel just peachy about America's various Secretaries of State.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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No fee is high enough
For me to wish that on any sex worker...whatever their gender expression.

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

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It could be a lot worse
It could be worse....as politicians go, Kris Kobach is one of the prettier ones. Hell, I'd make with the sexytimes with him if I knew it would end his political career once and for all. Well...and if no one knew it was me. And there would probably have to be considerable quantities of alcohol involved. And as long as I didn't have to hear him talk.

And I'm not realizing that "transvestite" isn't PC, is it? D'oh. Sorry, transgender folks. Apologies. Looks like I need a refresher course in LGBT solidarity.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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And I suck at typing also
And I'm NOW realizing that "transvestite" isn't PC....etc.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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He *was* a national rowing champion
"Men's pair" division.  I would never so abase myself, even if I could make him hold my ACLU membership card in his mouth the whole time.
Well, it's a cheap paper thing, so I'd have to get it laminated first anyway.

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

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"Even if I could make him hold my ACLU membership card in his mouth the whole time"
Hahaha

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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LOL
The ACLU membership card is an excellent touch.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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If only we could just throw a bucket of water on Karl Rove
And if Cheney's lesbian daughter was a Democrat, we could hope for the Light Side to kick in at some point.

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.
I've just finished my NJ Congressional map. Because the 11th has been so far out of reach for the Democrats for so many years, I decided that it was the district I wanted to eliminate. Luckily for me, it turned out to be easy to accomplish while keeping all the other districts in roughly the same configurations. I'll be posting it soon on http://www.dailykos.com/blog/w...

I haven't read anything so far that gives clues as to which district is expected to be eliminated, but once I do I'm going to make another map.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.


...
Leonard Lance is the supposed solution... Tit for tat. I basically split the 11th four ways between Lance's 7th, the 5th, with smaller portions going into the 8th and 10th.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

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...
That's a lie. It totally slipped my mind that Leonard Lance is the solution.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

On another note
 It looks like Dave's Redistricting App now has census data for OH, PA, and WI. http://gardow.com/davebradlee/...

for more election analysis, visit  http://frogandturtle.blogspot....




17, CA-06,  


When will Georgia's Census data be ready?
Anyone know?

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

It's being released this week
Every state will be released by the end of the month.

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Sweet!
Thanks.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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CA-37: The seat will likely be merged with another one
The remap will require a district to be removed in around those parts and it would make sense for Richardson's seat to become a Long Beach-Lakewood centered one that Linda Sanchez could defeat her in. I'm thinking that places like Compton and Carson will get put in Waters district, in order to get a plurality to majority black seat and those places are where a lot Richardson's primary numbers came from in the special election. Racial identity politics played a role in Richardson winning that primary.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

I was over with Laura Richardson from day one
She was given a golden opportunity with a safe Congressional seat and from day one there have been issues with her.

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I was over with Richardson even before day one!
When she attacked Oropeza (who I was rooting for in the 07 special) for missing votes, overlooking that Oropeza was having chemotherapy.

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
Might Kirk Lippold be another "Sharron Angle"...
Style candidate should Angle run for Senate instead? He seems quite far to the right, and his military record has actually attracted some controversy. (Even Former Senator John Warner [R-VA] thought he should have taken some responsibility for not being prepared when the USS Cole was attacked.) Even with Brian Krolicki's recent legal woes, he may still be the stronger NV-02 GOPer.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


What about
Mark Amodei?

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He's conservative...
But not a firebreather. But OTOH, he seems to have difficulty getting traction on big campaigns. His US Senate campaign last year got him nowhere fast. I doubt he'll run for NV-Sen again, but maybe he'll run for NV-02... Depending on what Brian Krolicki and other non-teabagger GOPers decide.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
He's in for NV-02
I wanted to know what you thought of his chances.  

[ Parent ]
Difficulty
I think "difficulty getting traction in major campaigns" is a nice way of saying that he has the charisma of Tim Pawlenty.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Virginia redistricting, a few tidbits......
First, this piece:  http://www.washingtonpost.com/...  ...says McLean, where I live, is likely to be put into Jim Moran's district.  "Hooray!" I say, if that comes to pass.  I realize Moran has a big mouth sometimes and some baggage, but being represented by a liberal Democrat would make me happy.  Frank Wolf is my Congressman now.

Second, another tidbit I read somewhere in the past few days, and I can't remember where, quoted Virginia state Senate Democratic Majority Leader Dick Saslow as saying there's a gentleman's agreement to let each chamber draw its own map.  That's been speculated for a long time, but I was worried the lower chamber GOPers have such a huge majority that they could risk and outright surrender some seats in exchange for trying to force a state Senate map much more difficult for Dems.  If Saslow is right, then the Assembly GOPers have decided to take a bird in the hand and go home.  Of course, I hope Saslow hasn't derailed the deal by speaking out of turn!

In any case, give me Congressman Moran for McLean, and a continued Democratic state Senate, and I'll be thrilled.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


You read that tidbit
In SSP Amazing Daily Digest #334! Also in that issue: Will Venom marry Mary Jane? Will a supportive Spidey be the best man, or will a rueful Peter Parker serve as wedding photographer? Read it and find out!

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Moran
Welcome to VA-08 if that happens. I'm in Old Town Alexandria so no GOP Rep wants to take on my precinct. Also who knows by the time the decade is up Moran may hang it up and you'd get a liberal Democrat without a big mouth (though the district would still be pretty darn safe) to represent you.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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New VA-11
The last map I saw had the 11th snaking up Ft. Belvoir & Mr Vernon to just barely take in my house in Ft. Hunt.

I for one would be thrilled to no longer be represented by Jim Moran, I'm not a huge Connolly fan, but I've found him to be a hard working nuts and bolts congressman.  

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Moran vs. Connolly
I don't mind Moran quite so much but he does have a huge mouth that I wish he would shut up sometimes. Connolly is so boring that I see why he under performs but I wouldn't have a problem at all being represented by him. Agreeing with you he is a very hardworking nuts and bolts guy. Moran is just in such a safe district that he doesn't have to do things that Connolly has to. Connolly's district should be improved a bit more to make him safer but he'll never have as safe of a district that Moran has so I don't really expect Connolly to change much over the years. I also don't think Connolly has higher office ambitions so I see him to continue to remain unchanged. I have no doubt that Moran barring a retirement will be my Congressmen in two years. Redistricting won't change that.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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Politico says 8-3 GOP map is 'in the bag"
http://www.politico.com/news/s...

Short version is the GOP reps got together to negotiate a new map that secures all the incumbents, including Connolly, and have apparently gotten the Dems reps to go along with it.

Along with the supposed handshake deal to allow both state legislative houses to draw their own maps it looks like redistricting in Virginia is going to be pretty anti-climatic. The Senate majority race in November is still going to be a barn burner, even with a Dem gerrymander...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Key quotes
from the article;

From former GOP Rep Tom Davis (who brockered the deal) "Democrats couldn't draw a solid district for Connolly, But they had input, and they were asked what they wanted. This was a marriage made in heaven."

And here is the why;

"With protection of their Senate majority as an overriding objective, GOP sources predict that the details of the House delegation's map will not be changed by Democrats.

In the unlikely event of a deadlock, another possibility is that the congressional map will be placed on hold until after the November election - in which Democrats could lose their Senate majority - when the newly elected General Assembly would make the new lines official."

Classic Carrot & Stick...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Bleh.
I guess if there's anything that's positive, it's that some of these districts were represented by Democrats quite recently. While we can't be sure until we see what the maps look like for ourselves, they will become harder to get for us, but just how hard? With the right year and the right candidates, perhaps we can get a seat or two, at least, out of the new map. I'd hope that out of all the states Obama will be contesting in 2012, they place a strong emphasis on down ticket races in Virginia.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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VA-2 & 10 are winnable for Blue Team
Depends on the exact lines, but VA-2 cold be competitive for the right candidate in the right year.

I think the CW on the 10th is unrealistic, I don't think the blue-ing trend in PW & Loudoun county will continue at anywhere near the rate we've seen, as the area continues to grow more from internal population growth than immigrants from closer in suburbs the Dem growth will taper off so the areas will remain lean GOP for the next decade, though certainly not at the levels we saw previously. Classic swing counties.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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What about the rest of the state?
In a lot of cases, being a swing county is enough. After all, that's where a lot of the gains come from in each election. When we talk about the bluing of different areas, states or House districts or whatever else, it's not so much that that they are becoming mini-Rhode Islands, but rather that we have a chance where we didn't have one before.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Hmmm
I'm not sure how much Wolf's VA-10 can move into Goodlatte's VA-06. There are not any areas of the northern Shenandoah Valley that have had major population growth and it is likely that VA-09 will have to steal from the southern end of VA-06 to make up for its low growth (without taking from Roanoke, Goodlatte's home). The natural thing would be for VA-06 to extend further into what is now Wolf's district but since the GOP will try to protect that seat, meaning they have no desire for VA-10 to extend further into the Dem-heavy DC suburbs, so I'm not sure what they'll try to do.

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05

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Hmmm
I took it as the opposite, the 6th would take in the far west of the 10th, especially historically Democratic Winchester. The 6th would then give up Salem and part of Roanoke to give the 9th the population it needs (and to include Griffith's house in Salem).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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VA-5
Also it sounds like VA-5 might be one of the biggest geographic districts East of the Mississippi after redistricting. Depends what happens to upstate NY, but a VA-5 that goes from Southside all the way to Warrenton will be enormous!

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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It's already the size of New Jersey
While interning with Perriello I grew to appreciate how hard it is to travel to all corners of your district when it's that big, and it's only going to get bigger now.

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05

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Pshhh
Minnesota has 3 congressional districts that are all bigger than VA-5. 2 of those are several times larger

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
How are the voters
distributed?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
In those districts, or the state as a whole?
The state has a whole has 2 urban districts and 3 suburban districts in the "7-county metro area" around Minneapols/St. Paul. Then there are three outstate districts (the ones I mentioned above). The 8th has a few fringe exurbs in the south, a big population center in Duluth, and the rest is small/medium towns and rural areas. The 7th has a few medium towns, and the rest is farmland. The 1st is a lot like the 7th, with one population center in Rochester. The 7th is over 31,000 square miles, and the 8th is over 27,000 square miles.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
I meant
the two that you said were several times larger. It's one thing if voters are spread out over a district, but if they are clustered for some reason, it shouldn't be that hard to contact them. I would think the problem is harder for a senator, particularly in a big state geographically. I'd argue that someone like Gillibrand has it harder than someone like Cornyn, since there are more than a few counties in his state that are huge but that have relatively few people, where in her state, even with New York City and its surrounding suburbs, there's still a massive chunk of people living upstate that are fairly spread out.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Thought I summarized that above.
The 8th is Duluth, plus a lot of small towns and rural mining communities (and a couple exurbs). The 7th is all farms with only small/medium towns.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
You did.
I was just saying which districts I was asking about.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I'll elaborate a bit more
MN-8 is top heavy with Duluth, the Iron Range, and what portions of the touristy lakes areas it has.  Isanti and Chisago counties in the south are growing and exurban to the Twin Cities, and is also where Rep. Cravaack is from.  They account for maybe 50-60k pop. of the district, and as a DFLer, you can ignore these two counties campaigning wise because they will never vote for you anyway.  The main target for votes is the lakes area which is far left central portion of the district and furtherest area from the GOP and DFL population areas.

MN-7 has absolutely zero population centers and is probably one of the shittest districts to traverse.  I pity the fools who run when it's open.  Moorhead (bordering Fargo) is a big city but nothing near a "population center".  The lake touristy area does connect to this city so there is about, I dunno, 100k-150k people there.  Spanned across 100 miles.


[ Parent ]
Overall, a good synopsis.
But there are a few things I would like to add/alter in what you said.

"...and as a DFLer, you can ignore these two counties campaigning wise because they will never vote for you anyway."

Mostly true, but Klobuchar carried them in 06, but she would have still won easily without them.

"The main target for votes is the lakes area which is far left central portion of the district and furtherest area from the GOP and DFL population areas."

The lakes are swingy. But a DFLer doesn't need them to vote for them, they just need them to NOT vote heavily for the Republican. If the lakes communities go 50/50, The DFLer wins. But keep in mind that a large portion of the properties in that area are second homes, and vacation properties, so they don't have as many votes as it would appear driving through the area.

As for your assessment of MN-7, it seems mostly accurate. There are some cities out there though. Morris, Alexandria, Fergus Falls, East Grand Forks, Crookston. Granted, they aren't big cities, but I bet half the population of the district lives within 10 miles of these cities.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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In MN-07, there are a lot of empty straight roads
and far too many speedtraps (my wife's fam is in and around most of the towns listed). With the possible exception of East Grand Forks, I'm not sure any of those towns are much above 10k population.

But it's more D than most people here might expect. If anyone remembers this dynamite ad against Norm Coleman - http://www.mnblue.com/the+ande...

it was made by a couple in the middle of MN-07.


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Language suggestion
David, you might consider taking care with the use of the f-word. Sometimes it's appropriate. On occasion, it's the only way to express a certain level of angst.

But you're more in the public spotlight. And you don't (yet) have the stature of Hunter S. Thompson. With that in mind, three uses of the f-word in the same diary does not help the D cause.


Fuck that shit
If it's good enough for Mayor Rahm Motherfucking Emanuel, then I say David should curse up a blue streak if he feels like it. He's not the official party spokesperson.

Besides, I really think it helps condition Democrats to not be such fucking pussies* all the time.

*accept my apologies, ladies, and know that I recognize that having a vagina and being a pussy have nothing to do with one another--Exhibit A being our Secretary of State. I just felt I had to use it that word for emphasis, even though it's pretty fucking gauche.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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I remember reading
in Alter's The Promise that when Rahm Emmanuel went to Harry Reid's office, this elderly secretary who knew him asked how he should be addressed since he was a former congressman but now the White House Chief of Staff. His response? Without missing much of a beat, he said, "Just call me shithead. That's what my wife does." Not exactly original, but I still found this very amusing.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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D'oh, my apologies, tietack
That title should've read "Respectfully, Fuck That Shit."

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Fair enough, lol!, nm


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Oh Arealmic
Please move to Dkos, what would we do without you.

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Awww, thanks buddy
Just for that comment I went over and made sure I could log in and updated my profile thingie.

I will still be "arealmlc" on Kos: http://www.dailykos.com/user/a...

Btw, is the new Kos buggy as hell for anyone else? I guess it's probably optimized for Firefox, yes? I'll try that, but with Safari I can't follow anyone, do diaries, join groups, or do much of anything, really....

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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NV-Sen: Are House GOPers trying to lose it...
For the Nevada GOP and the NRSC? They're pushing hard for Yucca Mountain, a project that's still viscerally hated nearly everywhere south of Mineral County and not even liked from Washoe on east. And now with Japan in the news for all the wrong reasons, mainly a nuclear disaster in the making, Nevadans will be in even less of a mood to consider storing nuclear waste in a mountain lying on an active fault line.

And as Harry Reid proved last year when he used this very issue against Sharron Angle, folks here still care about Yucca and still don't want it in our backyard. And if the Dems can show that electing Dean Heller, Sharron Angle, or whomever else becomes the GOP nominee means another loyal vote for Republicans looking to shove Yucca down our thorats, it won't be pretty (for the GOP).

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


Yucca Mountain
Oy vey. No disrespect meant to the victims of the Japan quake, but seriously.... putting a nuclear waste dump on top of a caldera is about as smart as putting a nuclear power plant on top of a faultline.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Exactly.
And that's why I'm wondering where these House Republicans are finding their hubris? What's happening in Japan should be a wake-up call IMHO. Sh*t like this does happen, nuclear power is far from "safe", and it simply makes no sense to open a nuclear waste dump on a caldera and directly above active fault lines.

And moving back to electoral politics, this can really come back to bite the Nevada GOP... Again! This hurts Dean Heller, even though he's repeatedly stressed he opposes Yucca. (It leaves the question open: Does he have power in leadership, or does leadership have power over him?) And especially if a pro-Yucca GOPer like Sharron Angle is nominated, they may (again) have to prepare to kiss that Senate seat goodbye.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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The MN GOP are just about ready
to send Gov. Dayton a bill to lift the ban on building new nuclear power plants.  I think he was going to sign it, but I doubt it now.

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Dunno why
There aren't any faultlines in Minnesota, and, beyond major disasters causing structural damages, most nuclear power plants are actually exceptionally safe nowadays. (I just had to do a Presentation on Nuclear Power, actually, and I found most of this popular media stuff that runs in the imagination is the worst kind of sensationalism that is keeping a remarkably clean and, in the long-run, cheap power source from being developed.)

Yucca may end up being unnecessary soon. There is a steady development of refining methods to concentrate the nuclear waste and recycle portions of it; all the nuclear waste produced in the last 40 years could fit in like one 50 gallon tank with these new processes that are being researched.  


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Can you provide a source for this?
There is a steady development of refining methods to concentrate the nuclear waste and recycle portions of it; all the nuclear waste produced in the last 40 years could fit in like one 50 gallon tank with these new processes that are being researched.

Not disputing it, I just don't know that much of the particulars of refinement and storage tech progress.

NC-06/NC-04


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Well, there's transmutation
You can bombard some of the radioactive isotopes with neutrons until they become U-235 again, and there are several other processes to condense the waste. What I read implied that only a small percentage of the nuclear waste is actually radioactive to begin with, however separation is difficult and often expensive.

As it was just a ten minute presentation, by someone not especially technically oriented, I didn't go further than that, and many of the ideas are still very much in the future.  


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Gee, issue stuff on SSP
And nonsense too.  Let's not go down this road.

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It really is because of posters
like you that I don't go by Dkos hardly ever. Quit flaming everyone. You're one to talk about issues, you've been ranting, holier-than-thou, about the Virginia compromise from the standpoint of good-governance, reformist crap.

And what I said wasn't nonsense. I support nuclear power and have recently had to do a good bit of research about it. Don't you dare insult me and tell me about what nonsense it is. Anything differing from your opinion isn't nonsense. So don't be a prick.  


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This isn't directly political
However, it may end up becoming a political issue depending on the United States' reaction to this. But as an engineer, I can not stress enough how bad this is. I believe this plant is a Light Water Reactor (it is the most common type, but I haven't read anywhere that it actually is a LWR). Regardless though, the fact that uranium rods are melting, and the fact they can not maintain the proper water levels in any of the cooling towers could be disastrous. The fact that one of the towers has NO water in it, scares the hell out of me. I really hope that they are able to get water flowing in at an acceptable level soon, because once the core starts eating away at the concrete it may be too late to stop the reaction.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201...

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


My understanding
is that it may be as bad as Three Mile Island (TMI), as opposed to a Chernobyl, as Fukashima has containment structures not found in the Chernobyl design. ref http://www.theatlantic.com/int...

But a TMI-level disaster would certainly have repercussions w/r/t the efforts to restart nuclear power plant production. First potential political effect -- less pressure for a Yucca Mountain facility, with direct impacts on the NV-Sen '12 race.


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Yes
The Soviet Union was not known to have the best safety equipment installed in their reactors. The United States and Japan have the best of the best when it comes to this sort of safety. This is the "concrete" I mentioned above. (The stories call it a "containment shell," It's really just super thick concrete). The problem with Light Water Reactors is the fact that the uranium is enriched to criticality (I am not sure if there is enough material to be at critical mass, I certainly hope not). That means, by default, this uranium will continue their fission processes. That is a HUGE problem if the rods are not constantly cooled. Once the rods melt through the "inner shell" they will be on bare concrete. Then you have to hurry and try and cool the uranium before it starts melting through the concrete. Once the uranium starts melding into the concrete itself, you lose 5/6 of your surface area to cool from (This is a big deal, thermodynamically speaking). Yes, the containment shell is very important, but it can be breached if this is not fixed promptly.  

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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A different scenario
http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

That would be like Chernobyl on steroids," said Arnie Gundersen, a nuclear engineer at Fairewinds Associates and a member of the public oversight panel for the Vermont Yankee nuclear plant, which is identical to the Fukushima Daiichi unit 1.

Based on the storage of spent rods above the reactor...

Victor Gilinsky, a former commissioner at the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, said that to produce hydrogen, temperatures in the reactor core had to be well over 2,000 degrees and as high as 4,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

I suspect there was cooling post-explosion, but don't know; if not, that's starting to approach the melting point of any steel containment vessel.

So we have --potential-- political effects in VT-Gov and NV-Sen -- starting with a potential closure of Vermont Yankee (which is adjacent to an elementary school). In addition, I could see a push to accelerate development of Yucca Mountain if people begin to fear how spent rods are stored.


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I don't see this being an issue of shutting down nuclear plants
I am not even a fan of such suggestions. Nuclear power really is not a bad thing. The thing with Japan now is that it was a perfect storm of disaster. A huge earthquake, followed by a massive tsunami. With the power grid down, pumps are not able to operate the way they should. So really, it is a unique situation there, and shouldn't be used to demonize nuclear power.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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.
Exactly! To quote Obama: "We should no the perfect be the enemy of the good."  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

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Uh
"We should not let the perfect be the enemy of the good."

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

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I don't want to get into a huge discussion
and completely derail the thread, but do you have any suggestions for sites about this that aren't too technical? I've been meaning to read more about this but I am not sure of where to start.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
The articles linked
by myself and user OGGoldy are good places to start -- both are written for general audiences.  

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Engineering Logic and Political Effects
often do not coincide.

While from an engineering point of view, I agree with you,

The politics are different. I think the end result of this will be shutdowns of nuclear plants in various locations worldwide.

I point to Vermont Yankee because of the person quoted -- I could also see effects, especially on the west coast, ref http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITI...

On Sunday, a Senate proponent of nuclear energy also called for a temporary halt in building new nuclear power plants in the United States until the situation in Japan can be examined.

That proponent is none other then our "well liked friend", Joe Lieberman....


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It is a huge issues in Vermont
In all likelihood, it was the deciding factor in Peter Shumlin's victory over Brian Dubie last year.

The issue was not focused on the fundamental question of nuclear safety, but rather on the poor performance of the aging Vermont Yankee nuclear plant (a plant of the same design as the main Japanese plant currently failing).

The plant has a history of problems - a collapsing cooling tower, constant unexplained tritium leaks, and an owner (Louisiana-based Entergy Inc) with a history of misrepresentations and lies to the state legislature, regulatory agencies, and the public. One conservative pro-nuke Republican state Senator (Randy Brock) said of the company:  "If its board of directors and its management were thoroughly infiltrated by anti-nuclear activists, I do not believe they could have done a better job destroying their own case."

The result is that the public has completely lost confidence in Entergy, and supports closing it down (majority support for closure in the polls) despite arguments about job losses at the plant, possible increases in electric rates, and the dangers of carbon-based energy.

Vermont is unique in that a legally binding agreement signed by the state and the company give the state legislature and public service board veto power over the continued operation of the plant after the current license runs out in 2012, the only state in the country with such an agreement. There are some indications that Entergy is planning to challenge this agreement in court and go ahead operating the plant without state approval.

Vermont is also somewhat unique in that our proximity and close relationship with Quebec provides access to low cost electricity from Hydro-Quebec and their huge hydro-electric resources. While hydro is not without issues (the dams result in some greenhouse gas emissions from drowned forest land, and there are issues with aboriginal rights), it is generally considered much more environmentally friendly than coal and other carbon-fired electricity producers.

The events in Japan will doubtless increase support for Shumlin's position of closing Vermont Yankee and heighten opposition to any effort by Entergy to extend their expiring license. It will also not help Vermont Republicans (like Tom Salmon) who have been supportive of Entergy and their plans to continue operating Vermont Yankee.


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This is a sad reality
We need more engineers in elected office, in my opinion. Too many lawyers, too many businessmen. Not even scientists, not enough engineers.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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I'm not gonna lie, guys
it's getting pretty bad. The radiation has been confirmed to have blown over to Tokyo. Kyoto seems to be safe for now, but I would be lying if I said I weren't a bit nervous. Also, people are worried that another big earthquake could happen again sometime soon in central Japan, which would hugely fuck over Tokyo (as it's already pretty fucked over and doesn't need a big quake), and would even affect Kyoto as well.

Also, I guess there is some reason why they built a nuclear plant in Fukushima, but it seems dumb to me. The northeast of Japan is known for being seismically active, and the Pacific coast is moreso than the Sea of Japan coast. So I can't believe they decided to built a plant not just in the northeast, but along the Pacific coast! No one was expecting an earthquake this bad, this is true, but there's something called preparing for a worst-case scenario.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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I remember post TMI
being told to avoid the milk.

Miso is supposed to be extra good. If I remember right, it really helped some who were exposed after Hiroshima and Nagasaki.  


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Milk, eh?
I've just been told to avoid food from NE Japan period.

Also, a 6.0 magnitude earthquake just happened in central Japan (Mt. Fuji). Friends in Kyoto felt it although I didn't. I can't say I feel safe by the fact that the earthquakes seem to be moving towards me, or by the fact that a large earthquake has been predicted in central Japan for quite some time...

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Sounds like an aftershock to me
6.0 after an 8.9 seems to be a normal difference in magnitude for an aftershock.

The difficulty in post-disaster situations is separating hyperbole from reality. And hyperbole can go both ways -- from irrational fears (e.g. a precursor to 12/21/12) to governmental sooth-sayers.

It is always an excellent idea to have a disaster plan available. In most cases, that includes a "bugout kit", plus some canned foods and water. I'd guess that Japan has better options for such than we do.

The illogical concept that freaks me is the idea that major earthquakes happens in 3s -- each in a different part of the world. This cycle, first NZ, now Japan, next....

Makes me pay extra attention to my dog for any signs of odd behavior.

Drink your miso. Functionally, it might be the Japanese version of Jewish penicillin. I don't know if the scientists have figured out why it helps protect against radiation exposure, but I gather it does. It's nutritious in all the other good ways too.


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Yeah, it's being reported as an aftershock
even though the epicenter was a considerable distance from the epicenter of the 9.0. More importantly, the Kishocho (meterological agency) said it is unrelated to a big earthquake happening in central Japan.

So far I think Kyoto is fine from radiation, although the site that measures radiation in each prefecture keeps going down. But I do have miso soup for dinner several times a week! (Also, is the animals behaving oddly thing true? Our dogs/cat seem to be their normal selves.)

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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supposedly, it's just a few seconds
and it's all anecdotes... one reference - http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news...

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It looks like the GOP establishment is getting worried about a Palin
nomination due to a split GOP field.

Because the nominating process has become so dominated by primary elections, with the vast majority of the delegates chosen by direct vote, it is entirely possible that with no presumptive winner or even favorites, a candidate who runs second or third in a great many primaries could go into the convention with a sizable block of delegates.
Who would this favor? Does Sarah Palin come to mind? Although she is not viewed by most as strong enough to win, she is viewed by many as a person worth voting for to make a statement. And primaries tend to be populated by people who go to the polls with the purpose of making a statement.

Finishing second and third isn't really a big deal - until you get enough delegates to be the nominee. And picking a nominee who it seems would be easily defeated by President Obama might not be the best statement.

Sen Gregg in The Hill

It's interesting that the GOP elites are really getting concerned about Palin and the lack of frontrunner to the GOP nomination.


Yea
Remember in 07, when the Q1 fundraising numbers were the first indication of who the frontrunners are. Here we are, at the end of Q1 11, and there isn't anyone really out there pulling in money.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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I'm eagerly awaiting
the day when these things get more official for the other side. It'll be an indication of how intense the opposition is to Obama, or at least one possible sign. But at the same time, you have to wonder how much these guys are screwing themselves by not getting things up and running sooner. Even in his possibly diminished state (more on that below), Obama still possesses a pretty strong following, and there's always the possibility it'll grow even more. I can't think of anyone, at all, on the other side that has the sort of base that he has. That can change, but one of the big reasons he's so threatening to them is that he's got a huge base, which gives him a huge leg up when it comes to watching small donations pile up. With each passing day, I suspect it becomes all the more difficult for them to try to match Obama in this regard. Perhaps it won't matter, both because of outside groups and because there's just a more natural, if not entirely unified, opposition to him than there was in 2008, but if I were a Republican, I'd be worried about the leg up he has. And that's before you factor in the millions that will be spent trying to get the nomination.

On a similar note, this article from The Wall Street Journal gives me some hope that the Obama campaign knows the strengths and weaknesses of his position and realizes that it will have to fight just as hard as last time, although the lack of focus on Pawlenty is a little odd. I'd read this as cautious optimism on the campaign's part.

I guess we'll get a better read on its view of the race once we get a glimpse of what states they are targeting. Now there's a day I am looking forward to.

http://online.wsj.com/article/...

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Agreed
The Gridiron stuff on Daniels was priceless and exactly the way I would go.

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I was surprised
at what a relatively strong shot towards Daniels that was. Maybe Obama is more of a dick, in a good way, than I realized.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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What was the shot (nt)?


25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

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This:
Mitch, I heard your friends over at FOX News told you that you don't look like a President. But I wouldn't worry about it -- they say the same thing about me every single day. (Laughter.) I know some people discount Mitch because he's not -- as they say in the NBA -- long enough. (Laughter.) But the don't realize how scrappy he is. I watched him during dinner. He tore into that fillet like it was a public employee. (Laughter and applause.) And Mitch is experienced. Before he was governor Mitch was a pharmaceutical executive and he was George W. Bush's budget director. I don't have a joke here. I just want to point it out. (Laughter and applause.)

Maybe I am making too much of this, but to me, it reads like a subtle slam at him for overseeing large deficits while at OMB despite being some sort of wizard with the budget.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Dude, it ain't "subtle!" It's a major slam! And I love it!......
I think it's, yes, about deficits, sort of, but it's a double whammy because it's also a metaconnection to a still-disliked recent Prez.  So it's both, being topical and meta at the same time.

And yeah, it's a slam.  These roast-type events are risky for elected officials and candidates, and riskiest of all for the sitting President to slam potential opponents, but Obama toed the line perfectly.  And whoever wrote those jokes deserves an award for a script that accomplished that.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Xenocrypt also approves
Although my favorite O joke is still when he was talking about the Henry Gates arrest thing, and said "imagine if police saw me going into my house [looks behind him at the White House] uh, I guess this is my house now."  

In general, side note, I would prefer more dickish sarcasm from our elected officials.  If I was an elected official I would find it hard to suppress against many of the people and situations I would have to encounter, but that's probably why I'm not and won't be.

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)


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It's subtle in delivery at least.
That's what makes it so devastating. It's kind of like when Bentsen told Quayle that he was no Jack Kennedy without getting very passionate. It was much more effective that way.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Here's what he said about Daniels

"Mitch, I heard your friends over at FOX News told you that you don't look like a President. But I wouldn't worry about it -- they say the same thing about me every single day.

I know some people discount Mitch because he's not -- as they say in the NBA -- long enough. But the don't realize how scrappy he is. I watched him during dinner. He tore into that fillet like it was a public employee.

And Mitch is experienced. Before he was governor Mitch was a pharmaceutical executive and he was George W. Bush's budget director. I don't have a joke here. I just want to point it out."

I think the pharma/ Bush crack was the most pointed, by far.


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Bush/pharma
Aye. If Daniels somehow gets the nod then Obama will do what Dems couldn't afford to do to Portman last year.

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You seem to have a mistaken impression...
...that anyone can raise money.

In fact, only 3 people have set up committees to allow fundraising:  Herman Cain, Buddy Roemer, and Newt.  And Newt's appears to be a "testing the waters" committee, not even a full-blown "exploratory" committee like the other 2 formed.

Four years ago was different because almost everyone had set up full-blown exploratory committees by now, and even further a couple people had dropped out!

So there are no "fundraising numbers" to draw on.

I've thought all along that the Goopers are making a big mistake by not jumping in sooner.  They're losing time they need to raise money.  I realize they are using PAC money to travel and such, but I have to think they'd be better off just raising money straight up for President, and forming messages, taking shots, and getting better at campaigning along the way.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Remind me,
what is the advantage in not setting up a committee to raise money? We've discussed this before, but either I've forgotten the logic, or the logic was never apparent to me in the first place.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Few things......
To the extent that these guys can use their PAC fund to tool around and effectively campaign, as GOPVOTER commented a few days ago that these guys are doing, that does undermine the argument for setting up Presidential committees that allow fundraising just to run for Prez.

But I have to think there are some legal restrictions on how much these guys can do with their PAC funds compared to Prez campaign funds, beyond just campaign advertising.

And attention is huge:  look at the buzz Herman Cain is getting already.  He'd be less than nothing if others had beaten him to the punch.  Same with Buddy Roemer.  People just aren't as interested in what you have to say if you're not actually running for President, and frankly setting up a committee to raise money for that purpose is the signal you're for real.  And only in that spotlight can you effectively test messages and also get any skeletons and other baggage in and out of the news quickly.  Do all that early, when most voters don't care, and you get the bugs out of your system, you learn to become a better candidate, you get your past and other problems behind you as much as is possible.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Buddy Roemer?
Buddy fucking Roemer? The failed Louisiana Governor who was elected as a Democrat in 1989, got nothing done other than opening up casinos and fisty-cuffing with the legislature for 4 years, switched parties mid-way, and then didn't it even make it to the run-off, losing to David Duke of all people, and the ever popular Edwin Edwards? That Buddy Roemer? He's got to be nearing 70 now. I can't believe he's stepping out of decades of obscurity to jump straight for president.

Who is Herman Cain btw?


[ Parent ]
I thought Roemer was actually pretty terrific at the recent Iowa family values event
Herman Cain's the former CEO of Godfather's Pizza and a Tea Party favorite.  

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[ Parent ]
How was he terrific?


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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He probably was
Unlike Jindal, who literally bores people to the point where hardly anyone I know, Republicans and all, actually watch his fast, monotoned, technical speeches, Roemer had a reputation for being an incredibly charismatic speaker.

But for a guy who compiled a thin list of accomplishments as governor, couldn't even make the run-off in 1991 and 1995, and hasn't run a campaign in nearly 2 decades, this is an utterly baffling move. Roemer's 69, so it's not quite as ridiculous as the 78 year old Gravel, but its certainly in the same ballpark.  


[ Parent ]
Where would you
Like your place in history? The guy who lost to Edwards and Duke as an incumbent and who failed in his comeback bid for Gov in 1995 in your last campaign, or the guy who ran for President and lost, and that was your last campaign?  

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Point, i suppose
And it's a good way to travel and have expenses paid for and have people faun over you a while, get your name back in the news.

To be serious, what states do you actually think he'd win in an election? I'm think he's also get swept in the midwest, and lose Florida, North Carolina and Virginia, and possibly Arizona.


[ Parent ]
You forgot where
Gravel lost twice, both as a Democrat and a Libertarian. He got 4th place at the Lib convention in 2008. Pretty embarrassing overall, considering he used to be a U.S. Senator.

23, liberal democrat, SSP Gay Caucus Majority Whip, IN-02 (home), IN-03 (birth), SC-03 (early childhood), IN-09 (college);   DKos: HoosierD42

[ Parent ]
I've read this profile of Cain
http://www.theatlantic.com/mag...

Suffice to say, he's also known as "The Hermanator".


[ Parent ]
That title belongs to Hermann Maier
and Hermann Maier alone!  :P

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[ Parent ]
No, I know.
That is why I said that people aren't raising money. They don't have campaign committees (although a few have PACs, but that's different). I was commenting on the lack of candidates (and thus, the lack of fundraising reports, as there isn't any money to report) compared to the last cycle.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
Thanks, I misunderstood you, and yes I agree. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
They are definitely going to be hurt by entering the race
late. In Plouffe's book, Obama admits that it took him months to get fully comfortable on the stump and doing the small events all over Iowa and New Hampshire. By waiting until later to enter the race, these GOP candidates are losing precious time on learning how to campaign for president. Considering that there is no one on the GOP side who can match the campaign skills of Obama, they really need the time to improve on the stump.  

[ Parent ]
Well, in all fairness, the likes of Romney, Palin and Huckabee already have the "stumping" experience
Gingrich is probably fine, too, if a tad rusty. I could, however, see how that hurts someone like Daniels, a complete amateur on the political scene outside of his home state.

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[ Parent ]
But if she's in third or fourth now, why on earth would she surge later?
Her name recognition is sky-high among registered Republicans, so we're hardly dealing with a blank-slate candidate who'll win over new voters. Even Dan Quayle led in some early '96 primary polls. Palin's been a non-starter from the get-go and other Tea Party candidates, Gingrich, Cain and Santorum among them, are poised to enter. Lately, I've actually been feeling better about Romney's chances. Clearly, the White House and Dem establishment see him as the front-runner, or else they wouldn't be tearing him down over Romneycare. On top of that, Christie and Giuliani probably aren't running and Daniels is, at best, 50/50. If they all pass, that leaves Romney the only "moderate" in the race and that means he could well ride to 30% victories in states like Iowa and South Carolina. He might even push 50% in New Hampshire.

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[ Parent ]
If she were to "surge,"
she would probably do it later on, after she came in second or third in some of the early contests, and she started to emerge as the candidate for particular factions of the base. Gregg seems to be talking about Palin treading water for a while, in the same way in every state, and then possibly seeing an upturn, even it's not huge.

I'm not sure how likely it is, but it's not the craziest scenario I've read. After all, she probably does have a higher floor than most of the other candidates, and if she looks like she's seriously pursuing it, her votes might not splinter off even as someone else is doing well.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Well, she might well have a high floor, but she also has a low ceiling
If she runs, I anticipate she has a floor of about 13% in each state, but I suspect she also has a ceiling in the low-30s. If, let's say, she won Iowa with 30%, placed third in New Hampshire with 17% and then mustered a low-30s win over Romney in South Carolina, I still think Romney prevails in most of the McCain '08 states. I suspect Palin needs the likes of Daniels and Christie to run and splinter the establishment vote w/ Romney.

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[ Parent ]
That seems to be Gregg's point.
If she's getting all or most of her support consistently, she can still be a force, as long as other candidates are splitting the vote in some way.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Well, she might well have a high floor, but she also has a low ceiling
If she runs, I anticipate she has a floor of about 13% in each state, but I suspect she also has a ceiling in the low-30s. If, let's say, she won Iowa with 30%, placed third in New Hampshire with 17% and then mustered a low-30s win over Romney in South Carolina, I still think Romney prevails in most of the McCain '08 states. I suspect Palin needs the likes of Daniels and Christie to run and splinter the establishment vote w/ Romney.

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[ Parent ]
If there is no consensus candidate, she could tread
water in 3rd or 4th and then surge later as she becomes the default front-runner. That's what arguably happened with McCain in 2008. Romney and Huckabee split states and couldn't close the deal allowing McCain to wait it out and become the consensus candidate.

[ Parent ]
She would need to win early
I don't buy the idea that Palin could weather a bunch of initial 3rd or 4th place finishes and still win the nomination.

If she runs and can't do better than 2nd in Iowa and South Carolina, it creates a narrative about her that she can't win, that her candidacy is collapsing, etc.

The reality is that she would be a celebrity candidate. She plays by different rules than other politicians.  If her bubble is burst early, she isn't the sort of politician who would be capable of slogging her way through subsequent contests to claw her way back up to the top of the pile.

On top of that, there is simply no recent precedent for a candidate (in either party) winning the nomination after "treading water in 3rd or 4th" in the early contests. In our front-loaded, media-driven nomination contest, a candidate needs to win in early contests to prove viability and ultimately win the nomination. All recent nominees have won early contests - no one won by starting slow and being the last one standing. If anyone is going to do that, it is not going to be a flash in the pan reality show celebrity like Palin.


[ Parent ]
Precisely. She needs to WIN one of the big early states.
New Hampshire and Nevada, forget it. Iowa's a possibility, I guess, but she's screwed if Huckabee runs and then there's the problem of having a bunch of fringe religious right-friendly candidates around (Santorum, Cain). I mean, what if Santorum and Cain post Bauer and Keyes numbers? If she does, however, win Iowa, I suspect she takes South Carolina, too, and we witness the ultimate establishment vs. Tea Party bloodbath in the likes of Romney and Palin. An Iowa loss, however, and it's hard for me to fathom how or why she'd win South Carolina. I suppose if Pawlenty upset in Iowa, with Romney taking South Carolina, she could make a move.

Of course, I still think Palin's not running, so this is all kinda for naught. Bachmann looks like the likelier candidate.

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[ Parent ]
Clinton is the closest example
He took a while to actually win a contest in 1992. But that second place in New Hampshire was massive.

[ Parent ]
Has anyone else actually won the nomination
without winning either Iowa or New Hampshire

since Humphrey did so under sad circumstances, in '68?


[ Parent ]
Iowa didn't really count until 76
That was when the Iowa Democratic party figured out how to get some attention with their caucuses and Carter won second place (after uncommitted) to get some early attention for his campaign. In 1972 McGovern's folks did a little bit of PR work around Iowa, but prior to that the caucuses weren't an early step that candidates competed in or won the way they do these days. The Republicans didn't start having a straw poll at their precinct caucuses until 1980.

So Clinton is the only one in this category.


[ Parent ]
True, but, in all fairness, I think Tsongas was an even weaker front-runner than Romney is now


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[ Parent ]
1992 was a strange Democratic contest to compare
It was a muddled field with no real national front-runner.

Tsongas was trying to run as the personification of the Gary Hart "Atari Democrat" segment of the party. (While trying to avoid the inevitable comparisons to the other Massachusetts Greek technocrat who the Democrats had nominated in 1988.) Bob Kerrey and Jerry Brown both were competing for this same segment of the electorate - each with their own unique personality and issues spin on things.

Tom Harkin tried to cement the support of unions and progressives as the most left leaning major candidate in the race.

Bill Clinton ran simultaneously as the more centrist (DLC) and more populist candidate. He was helped by having a southern political base and a strong emotional connection with black voters. But more than anything else, Clinton attracted a lot of support from Democrats who were hungry for a victory and saw him as the most likely Democrat to win in November (at least before the "bimbo eruptions" started happening). If anyone was a front-runner going into the campaign, it was Clinton - but he was perceived as having lost that with the whole Gennifer Flowers blow-up. That is why his "come-back" in New Hampshire was so important.

First, because Harkin had his home state to himself, Iowa wasn't contested by the other candidates.

Then in New Hampshire, Tsongas wasn't the national front-runner, but he was from the state next door and he had strong appeal to independents who could vote in the primary. He was always favoured to win New Hampshire, so the value of that was minimized (much like it will be for Romney).

But once Clinton managed a second-place finish in NH, he was able to reposition himself as the strongest candidate, he ran away with almost everything on Super Tuesday and, despite a persistent Jerry Brown effort to bring him down in the late primaries, he sailed to the nomination.

--

Looking at the 2012 Republican field, it is interesting to see who corresponds to the 1992 Democratic candidates. But the obvious difference is that in 1992, Democrats were largely attempting to appeal to the centre (instead of the left) and the party was willing to compromise for the sake of victory. Clearly in 2012 the Republican field is running away from the centre, appealing to their right wing base at the risk of alienating moderate and independent voters.  


[ Parent ]
VA-Sen: Kaine's in
So says Larry Sabato on Twitter, at least.  

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I'm still in favor of Kaine running - he's the strongest candidate
And as DCCyclone states, none of this drawed out decision process will matter once he's in. That said, and maybe only from a political junkie perspective, I find Kaine's refusal to make a decision highly annoying.  

[ Parent ]
I just assume
there's something going on in his personal life that we don't know about. He could take another two months to decide and, assuming we didn't have a hugely divisive primary, it wouldn't make that much of a difference. It's still very early in the process. I wonder if they've simply gotten an agreement with Perriello if that he'll jump in if Kaine decides no.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Official line
"He is increasingly likely to run and shared that with his students."

Good enough for me.


[ Parent ]
Kaine & DNC comments pretty much confirm he's running......
"Increasingly likely" to run is not something you say unless you're actually running.

Even if all Kaine said to his class was that he's "leaning toward" running, that's too much to reveal and then back out later.

Let's put it this way:  if Kaine decides not to run, then he and the DNC will have been guilty of the biggest clusterfuck in campaign decision-making history.

You don't give up tea leaves like the ones today, and then back out.  If there's still any doubt, you keep your mouth shut.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I still personally think he was going to run all along
He gets an extra month of free-time along with lots of free press.

[ Parent ]
This Lit major giggled
"fans of magical realism have been making a push for Borges to enter the Connecticut Senate race."

Your literary references are not lost on me! The Aleph FTW!

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


I am more
a fan of "The Immortal"

[ Parent ]
WNEC poll of MA-Sen
Brown 53-27 favorable, job approval is 57-24, re-elect 52-28, leads Capuano 51-38.

"Brown receives support from almost two-thirds of independent voters, who tend to be the deciding factor in statewide elections in Massachusetts. Brown also wins backing from about 20 percent of voters who identify themselves as Democrats."

He votes like Lamar Alexander. Gotta get that across to Baystaters. There is a path but it looks very tight at this stage.


No cross tabs?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
pdf
http://assets.wnec.edu/112/Sen...

Now I know how Republicans felt when they couldn't lay a glove on Obama during 2008.


[ Parent ]
My bad, I meant to say,
no party breakdown? Or am I missing something?

And it's way, way too early to say that he's untouchable. Again, consider the following: a 40/20/40 D/R/I breakdown with the Democrat getting 85 percent of the Democratic vote, five percent of the Republican vote, and 40 percent of the Independent vote. In a two-person race, that's 51 percent for the Democrat. Does that seem so hard?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Absolutely
He is beatable and the task is certainly less daunting when you put it like that.

[ Parent ]
Seriously,
did I miss something in that .pdf file? It doesn't look like there's a clear party breakdown, but I could be very dense.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I see breakdown by party
The news isn't good for Blue Team;

Brown vs Capuano (w/Leaners);
Overal 51-34
DEM 62-21
GOP 96-2
IND 65-22

based on this snapshot getting to your target numbers is very difficult.  

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Targets
With your 40D-40I-20G voter breakdown that would be a 54-46 Brown win based on him getting 25% (a bit high?) of Dems, 95% of GOPers (a bit low, but statistically insignificant) and 65% of Independents (also possibly a tad low based on his 65-22 split in this poll)

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
And 60% of indies
Anyway, the poll is a poll, a snapshot in time. These are targets which are perfectly possible with a proper campaign.

[ Parent ]
Those results
do seem a bit high. I could believe him scoring a huge with Independents, but even Coakley was able to get between 32 and 35 percent, if memory serves me correctly. That's why I think a minimally competent Democrat--you know, one that actually campaigns--should easily be able to get up to 40, possibly even 45, without doing anything extreme. (And if the Democrat wins Independents, even by 51 to 49, they will almost certainly win this race.) But 25 percent of Democrats? In what recent race has a Republican ever scored such a result? Even in his special race, I think he only received 19 percent of Democrats. I figured a presidential year would shave something off of that, but that being a good candidate would still leave him with a healthy 15 percent.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
A few times
But 25 percent of Democrats? In what recent race has a Republican ever scored such a result?

Weld 1994
Malone 1994
Celucci 1998

I think even Romney got close to that in 2002.

I would wager a guess that even Suzanne Bump lost over 20 percent of Democrats in her State Auditor race this year.  


[ Parent ]
And yet
Bump won...in 2010.  And I doubt the Dem candidate will be as bad as her.

Also, those were midterm years with midterm turnout with liberal Republicans running, leaving little room for a Dem to stake out a niche (which was also why it was difficult to defeat Weicker for a while; it took a neocon Democrat to do it).

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[ Parent ]
Without looking at the numbers,
I'd bet that only Weld and Malone in 1994 got that many, unless there's been a big change in the partisan composition in recent years. It's been toughly 40/20/40 for the last decade, I think. Celucci and Romney didn't win by huge margins, so my guess is that their margins came from Independents.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Not Senate races either
Easier to do it in gubernatorial elections than when control of the chamber may be at stake.

[ Parent ]
I meant as far as the overall
make up of the electorate.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
He means partisan share of the electorate
Not vote. To reach those targets he needs to be painted as being too conservative for the state. His opponent should also point out that the seat could well decide control of the Senate. On the bright side it does look like 52% or so is his ceiling.

[ Parent ]
That's what makes this race so frustrating but
also so exciting. Short of some implosion, I can't see him sinking any lower than, say, 45 percent of the vote, and even that may be way, way too low. Perhaps 47 percent would be a better number. But at the same time, I can see the Democratic candidate winning easily, even if it's by only by a few points.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Brown
Voter demographics in MA in a presidential year are still just brutal for a GOPer, but if you are going to win in hostile territory, these are the numbers you need.

Given his broad approval numbers and his huge bankroll I think it's very likely he dodges a Tier 1 opponent, but 2nd tier Dem will likely keep this within 3-4 pts at the least and could be the new Junior Senator with a lucky (Macaca) break.

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P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
You can look at this
in any number of ways. The fact that he's trying to raise $25 million is both a sign of how hard he will be to beat but also a sign of how hard it will be to overcome the forces of the state he's running in, for instance.

I'm not sure that there aren't that many announced candidates is a problem just yet. Why would any of the congressmen be the first to jump? Wouldn't that make them a likelier target during redistricting? (The same sort of logic applies in Ohio with the Republicans.) It's still extremely early in the process, particularly when you consider the advantages that the Democrat running has.

On a similar note, I know I mention this a lot, but it's entirely possible for the Democrat to have an advantage that isn't clear from the numbers we now see by way of new voters. There aren't that many people that can be brought into the process, but there's a decent chunk. There are probably more in Massachusetts than in, say, Ohio, since nobody has contested Massachusetts seriously in a long time. Brown could easily mine the state in the same way the Democratic candidate could, but given Obama's status in the state and the small likelihood of the Republican presidential candidate putting money in to unify the party's efforts, I'd say the Democratic candidate has an advantage. Off the top of my head, I don't know how many unregistered black voters there are, but if there's a sizable chunk that can be turned into purely Democratic voters--perhaps say 30,000--it's a massive advantage. Brown simply doesn't have the same pull with non-whites that Obama has.

Well anyway, I refuse to think of this as anything but a toss up until a clearer field develops. Defeating Brown might not be easy, but it's a lot easier than some people want us to believe.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
It's absolutely a toss up...
And I completely agree with your logic. Once the presidential election approaches, Brown is going to have to cope with worse numbers in terms of turnout than are contained in the demographics of these polls.

I actually this this seat is realistically lean Dem. The numbers don't support me for now, but I fully believe they will.  


[ Parent ]
The Mass GOP achieved one thing in 2010
By forcing most of the delegation to run real races, everyone except Markey is drained of money. He has 3 million, McGovern 1 million, and everyone else practically nothing.

That means anyone starts out down 8 million, and 15 points in the polls, which in  turn makes it hard to make money. Why would anyone risk a safe House seat for that?

Anyway redistricting in the state has two scenarios right now. The House plan probably eliminates the second district, which would simply have Olver retire, and Andrea Nuciforo face Neal in a primary for the new 1st. The Senate plan by contrast would have Lynch put in with Keating, and likely have him challenge Brown. But his terms are a cleared primary, and thats hard given his voting record.

The above are very provisional. The committee is not having its first joint session until Wednesday.

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[ Parent ]
Not too bothered about the money angle
Whoever gets the nomination will have sufficient funds to compete. The question is over whether it is spent wisely or not.

[ Parent ]
I don't think that is entirely accurate.
They were all forced to spend money, but that doesn't appear to be anything out of the ordinary. Going back the last few cycles, they all appear to be spending most of what they make each year. Cash on hand might be low, bur for most of them, it never seemed to be that high. Perhaps I missed something by checking Open Secrets, so please, tell me what you are looking at.

It's not as if the Democratic candidate will have a lot of trouble raising money. Besides, with the state's natural Democratic bent, the Obama campaign working over time, it being a presidential year, and the need for the Democrats to take back the seat, it's far more important for Brown to raise a lot than it is for any Democrat to do so.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
To borrow a point from J. Bernstein
It doesn't necessarily matter if Brown's money haul is as big an advantage as it appears--if Dems think it is, some of them will pass on taking him on, some of those strong candidates, and Brown's position improves.

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[ Parent ]
Yes
there is no way the Democrats gets 85 percent of the vote from his party against a popular GOP incumbent, even in a Presidential year. There is going to be significant Obama/Brown splitting.  

[ Parent ]
Yes, it's very feasible.
I agree that Brown's support is not very deep.

Linc Chafee was about as popular and so was Senator Gordon (R-OR).

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[ Parent ]
All in all
It's toss-up based on the fact it'll be a presidential year.  Brown will be called out on his votes.

He's probably in the same boat as Djou was.

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[ Parent ]
I don't think 2012
is going to be anything like 2005 or 2008. If it is, then Brown loses regardless


[ Parent ]
It could be close to 2006
Especially if Boehner continues to fail to keep his herd of cats at bay.

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[ Parent ]
If it is like 2004 he could still lose


[ Parent ]
Why is that so hard to imagine?
We are talking about Democrats, not Independents. That's where the Obama/Brown voters will come from.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Today perhaps
But he is not going to be a so popular with Democrats when he has faced a proper campaign. And I would call 15% significant anyway.

[ Parent ]
Daily Kos polling on Wisconsin Recall
Kos with two successive tweets on situation in Wisconsin:

"Just got WI state Senate results: In recall, Dems win 2 districts, three are tossups, one is lean GOP, and only 2 are safe GOP."

And:

"Huge sample sizes in Wisconsin polling -- older and whiter respondents means they answer landlines. 2-3K respondents per district."

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05


Good result, no?
We just have to win one of the tossups to gain control of the Senate, correct?

Five - all of the tossups - would be fantastic! And plausible, if you ask me.  


[ Parent ]
Good result I agree
Not that it would matter so much but if they successfully recall any Senators there will be others from marginal districts who were elected in 2010 that may think about their own fate next year. If the Dem organizers are collecting signatures for Walker next year and I believe it is more likely than not they should at least attempt to could collect signatures for additional Republican Senators as well at the same time.

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
Signatures for Walker should be easy,
as the state Democratic party will have all the signatures for the senate recalls this spring, and should be able to reach out to those voters again. That will be a significant chunk of signatures already "in the bank."

[ Parent ]
Let's see if I can make some guesses
Safe R: Grothman, Lazich

Lean R: Harsdorf

Toss-up: Cowles, Darling, Olsen

Dem: Kapanke, Hopper

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[ Parent ]
Unfortunately that douche
Grothman is safe. Out of anybody I would like to see him go. He has zero respect for anybody, but himself.

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[ Parent ]
Maine
Michaud far stronger than Pingree as expected, 54-28 to 45-39 favorable. I do wonder what Snowe's position would be with her as an indie against Michuad and a Republican.

http://www.publicpolicypolling...


My guess is that it would be close
Most likely - she would still win, but very narrowly. Michaud is a sort of "moderate" on abortion, so - lot of crossover support is possible.

[ Parent ]
If I had known that comment might make the front page, I would have used the right Colorado numbers!
I want to add here that user MichiganLiberal and I both independently were looking at Indiana election law and found that the Indiana Code specifies a minor party as being a party that had won between 2% and 10% of the vote in the last election for SoS, which is where the convention rule comes in.

If White's results from last year are invalidated, that wouldn't make the Republicans a minor party, that makes them actually less than a minor party. At least, if I'm getting this right. I don't know what the repercussions of that could be.  

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That's even more exciting!


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[ Parent ]
Dems have 45% of signatures for Senate recall
Pretty good news, considering how hard it is to get signatures...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/...


Good results in the Kos poll too (posted up above)
I'm feeling good about this. This is the reverse of the health care situation. We've got the money and more importantly the enthusiasm.  

[ Parent ]
That's a bit disappointing. They had massive turnout
this weekend to help gather names for these petitions. I thought they'd be much farther along. With this kind of momentum to only be 45% of the way is worrisome.  

[ Parent ]
Actually, the exact opposite...
Too many people think that signature gathering is some easy task.  It isn't.  These numbers are nothing short of incredible.... much better than expected.  People have a very unrealistic perception of how "easy" something like this should be.

It should also be noted that 45% is not evenly distributed.  There are more in some districts than in others.  In fact, the rumors are that 2 senate districts have already met minimum thresholds.  I'm sure that the deep red districts are probably lagging.

These are very good numbers.  Signature collection (especially in the middle of winter) is a very difficult task.


[ Parent ]
On a personal note...
If I were the Dems, I'd focus all my resources on all of the Senators who in the PPP poll are either Lean Dem, Tossup and even Lean Rep. That's six out of the eight. I think it's a little bit of a waste to focus on the safe Republicans.

[ Parent ]
I suspect that is what they are doing...
...which makes the totals seem less than they really are.  The WI dems are certainly doing expectations management and want to give numbers that are encouraging, but not too encouraging, to keep people motivated.

[ Parent ]
Holy crap, Arizona State Senate
My apologies if this has been covered, but wow. Wow. I mean, we all know Arizona is more or less irredeemably awful, but um, has anyone mentioned how the Joe Arpaio-endorsed Republican Majority Leader Scott Bundgaard got into a fistfight with his girlfriend? And she kicked his ass? And then got thrown in jail while he got legislative immunity?

Arizona Republic coverage here.  Phoenix New Times coverage here.

It's kind of a new twist on the ole "when did you stop beating your wife" question ... because now the answer is "when she beat the crap out of me on the side of a major freeway."

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Evan Bayh signs on as Fox contributor
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... >_<

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God
we could all see this from a million miles away.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
No doubt that Bayh
will use his position to concern troll about the deficit.

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[ Parent ]
I can't think of any appropriate insults.
"Fox News just got a lot more...boring...."

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[ Parent ]
Actually
The IndyStar's Matt Tully makes an astute observation!

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
I can't get
particularly excited over this. They probably offered him some sweet money, and if I am not mistaken, lots of people, like Wesley Clark, have done this at some point after losing a campaign or leaving office.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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This is what he saved his $10+ million for?
Really?  

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Shocker!


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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A really cool table showing Presidential Exit Poll Results....
... back to 1972.

http://ht.ly/4ekdT

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


GA-Sen '14, possible primary of Chambliss
http://www.redstate.com/erick/...

Tonight on the Erick Erickson Show, we'll be talking about Saxby Chambliss. He's open to tax increases to balance the budget. He's opposed to defunding NPR. Is he becoming a Democrat?

If I remember right, Erickson lives in GA... The Red State diary makes me wonder -- does he want to primary Chambliss personally?


That damn liberal Saxby Chambliss!


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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Good
One of the only marginally realistic takeover opportunities up that year.

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Agreed.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Wait, Chambliss gets accused of RINOism
while the moderate (for a GA Republican) Johnny Isakson got a free pass in the primary last year?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Isn't this systematic of the Tea Party?


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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If Red State were logical
what you say would make sense....

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I think this is the Republican equivalent
of running a left wing primary race against Barbara Boxer. Which is not to say that she can't be flanked from the left. But jeez!  

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Followup article
And I thought I was just engaging in idle speculation....
http://blogs.ajc.com/political...

On matters of foreign policy and national security, Chambliss could become the man who serves as a reality check for the likes of Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin - reining in those who cast chunks of red meat over the line.

w/r/t Egypt -- and in direct contradiction to Newt-- Chambliss said

As for Barack Obama, the Republican said he thought the president has handled the situation "pretty well."

Imagine the anger from the R base when Chambliss starts knocking down the rantings of whomever serves up foreign policy red meat to the base


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Not only does he live in GA
But I'm pretty sure he's on the Macon city council.  http://www.cityofmacon.net/cit...

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

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Kansas Rep. Virgil Peck (R-Tyro) says something horrendous.
He says undocumented immigrants should be shot like "feral swine."
http://www.addictinginfo.org/?...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


What's The Matter With Kansas? Feral Swine
State Rep. Virgil Peck wants brown people shot like feral swine from a friggin' helicopter (which they actually do--shooting feral swine from helicopters is part of the population control plan for feral hogs). I mean, come on man, even Sarah Palin only shoots wolves from helicopters.

http://www.domeontherange.net/...

When questioned, Peck then said it was a joke and that was just how people from southeast Kansas talk. Which they'll probably put on tourist brochures to advertise the area. (in actuality, southeast Kansas is an ancestrally Democratic area of the state and most were duly horrified and insulted)

And THEN, the Legislature voted end funding for the actual feral swine reduction program. Which sounds inconsequential until you actually look at it.

For just $175,000 per year, over just a few years, the feral swine population was culled by 3/4ths to manageable levels, which is around 500 wild hogs statewide (though the suckers still managed to do $3 million worth of damage to crops and such in the meantime). Without the program, a wildlife biologist estimated there might be "tens of thousands" of feral hogs running loose across the state. Feral swine are also excellent carriers of diseases that kill off livestock as well as Tularemia which is such a great disease that it was turned into a bioweapon. It can infect and kill humans if not properly treated.

http://cjonline.com/news/2011-...

Right now, Connie "Olive-Skinned Complexion" O'Brien is still the worst person in the Kansas Legislature, but Peck is easily in second place and coming on strong. If MLK was right about the arc of the universe being long but bending toward justice, then about a decade from now Virgil Peck will be killed by a giant herd of stampeding feral swine.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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Scott Fitzgerald continues to keep digging.
He now claims that until the charges of contempt against the Democratic Senators are lifted, their votes on the committees won't be counted.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Wow denying them their constitutional right to vote.
I'm surprised the RNC or the Koch brothers haven't sent someone to manage him.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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Perhaps this is a way to make Walker look good....
You know... bad cop vs. very bad cop... At this point, Fitzgerald is doing way more damage to Walker than Walker is, amazingly.

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Fascism
There's not another word for it. I know it's used as hyperbole all too often, but I can think of no more suitable word for what these bastards are. When you're stripping the elected opposition of its right to vote and represent the people who sent them into office, without trial, you're a fascist. When you're locking the doors of the statehouse in defiance of law, preventing citizens from getting in or out, you're a fascist. When you're holding the jobs of thousands of state employees hostage as part of a legislative process aimed at destabilizing the political opposition's financial organization, you're a fascist.

Hyperbole would be saying that President Obama should call up the National Guard to frogmarch these scumbags out of office and have them tried for abuse of power. Calling it like it is would be saying they're fascists.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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This may prove to be
the fastest loss of a legislative majority in American history.  

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And DailyKos/PPP back that up!......
I got the e-mail tonight on state Senate recall poll results.

Kapanke is down 55-41, no surprise.

Hoffman down 49-44, also no surprise, although SUSA had him down much worse at 54-43.

We also have a 49-47 lead on Luther Olsen.

That's 3 right there.

Then we're down just 2, 45-43, vs. Rob Cowles, and we're down 48-44 on Sheila Harsdorf.  Both in striking distance, especially Cowles for whom 45 is pretty shaky.

We're down more, 52-44, vs. Alberta Darling, and that looks pretty safe to me even though Markos labeled that race just "leans."  I expect she'll be tough to dislodge, although in a low-turnout special with a motivated Democratic base, can't write off an upset there.

Then Lazich and Grothman are safe, both up in the 20s.  At some point, if we're on the edge of getting enough signatures in one or more of the other 6 seats, I hope they redirect resources from these 2.

I bet we get recall elections certified against the 6 most vulnerable, maybe also the other 2.  And I equally bet the GOP gets nothing certified against any of our 8.  They're not talkin', and methinks that means they're struggling to get what they need.

Ultimately I think Kapanke and Hoffman are goners.  And we're more likely than not to get at least one of the other 3 against GOPers sub-50, perhaps no worse than 50-50 at picking up 2 of those other 3.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Woohoo! Looks good...
I'd say 3 winning recalls is a very real possibility - perhaps even likely, with a decent shot at 1-2 more.

And I agree that the Dems will be safe. Republicans will probably need to focus on just 1-2 districts to have any shot at getting the numbers they need. And without any big energy on their side, getting those signatures will be a tall order.


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I say the first thing the Democrats should do if they take a Senate majority...
Is suspend Fitzgerald's voting privileges by voting him in "contempt".

Surprised by the relatively strong numbers Darling posts. Her district is pretty swingy, and she barely won last time around. Anyone know whether she has some personal popularity that might be keeping her afloat?

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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The Kochs
could always ride to the rescue with dough to hire some unemployed WI teabaggers for signature gathering.
I'm sure they'd like to recall at least one Dem. to save some face.

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That's very hopeful
Looks like we take 3-5 seats (assuming we run acceptable candidates). The Republicans are going to get wiped out in the assembly in 2012 too.

BTW, I was probably wrong in my original comment: in the Articles of Confederation period, some states were known the hold yearly elections.


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Remembering that "generic Democrat" outpolls actual named Democrats...
I'd say that Kapanke is toast and Hopper (not Hoffman) is in trouble. Beyond that I would be wary about the Dems' chances.

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The "generic candidate" phenomenon
is likely more than balanced out by:

Democrats having a built-in GOTV bank of at least 25% of likely voters, indies leaning our way, and a more enthusiastic base during a WAY off-cycle election.

I think we're looking very, very good here.


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Makes me wonder if there was any ability
by the WI Dems to copy any the information they received from people signing the recall.  (Even having a walklist and putting an x on the houses that did.)  If you can get the people who signed to vote, you probably won.

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Of course they are keeping that information
They will make copies of every petition before filing them with the Secretary of State -- the information about who signed the petition will be incredibly valuable additions to the state party's voter file (a computerized voter check-list that accumulates information from past campaigns, voting turnout history, and a lot more info).  

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WI
Anyone else worried that these elections wont take place for months?

29/D/Male/NY-01

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Yes
However, I have little doubt that Walker and Fitzgerald will continue to rub salt in the wounds which will only increase motivation.

Today, the papers reported how seniors will be kicked off SeniorCare and their costs will rise significantly.  That's just one of many unpopular provisions being debated for the budget bill over the next three months.

While there are certainly no guarantees, it seems that Fitz and Walker want to do their damndest to keep pissing off the electorate.  It gives them a high or something.


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I'll give them this bit of credit:
they are passing a Republican agenda, and they didn't let procedure get in the way.

Democrats could learn.  


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NH state rep resigns
a week after calling for poulaton control for the mentally challenged and drug addicts.  Here's an amusing quote: "so far I really don't know what I'm doing . The few votes I've made so far I really didn't know what I was voting for or against. Just looked at the people around me and went along with them."

Got to love those rugged individualists who actually THINK!!1!!1

http://politicalwire.com/archi...

Anyhoo, according to the New Hampshire Constitution, Art.] 16. [Vacancies in House, How Filled.] All intermediate vacancies, in the house of representatives may be filled up, from time to time, in the same manner as biennial elections are made.

http://www.nh.gov/constitution...

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.


In general, I think that much of the discussion
Around whether the U.S. House is too small, or the N.H. house is too big, is too abstract a discussion, and doesn't look enough at empirical differences between different states and countries.  But this guy sounds...more than a little like some empirical evidence for the "N.H. house is too fucking big" side.

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

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not so much the size of the house as
new hampshire voters will only look at party ID, then follow the national mood like sheep.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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Also evidence for the problems with multi-member districts
The guy wasn't supposed to win - he was nominated to fill out the Republican slate in a multi-member district (I think they send 11 members to Concord). When the Republicans sweep everything in sight during the 2010 NH legislative elections, this guy rode the wave.

Voters didn't know anything about who they were voting for - he just won because he has an "R" after his name.

If he had been running in a 1 or 2 member district, he wouldn't have been able to hide as just another name on a long list of Republican nominees. He would have had to debate, voters would have realized that he was a 91 year old crank, and perhaps he would have lost (in either a primary or general election). Creating smaller districts would also make it harder for one party to sweep such a large number of seats, because there would likely be geographic concentrations of strength for both parties.

Not sure the issue is the size of the NH House, but rather the insanity of electing members in such a cluster-fuck of a large group election where voters have little hope of knowing who they are actually voting for.  


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CA-36 special election set for 5/17
and the top two finishers runoff if needed 7/12. Gov. Jerry Brown sets special election to replace Rep. Jane Harman -- but nothing on tax extensions
With 3 Repubs planning to run now and splitting the R vote, a runoff if needed certainly seems likely to be Democrat vs Democrat: Bowen vs Hahn.

Water contiguity question
Photobucket
Would it be legal for the purple district to be connected by the Gulf of Mexico?

could you use a thin strip of beach
to connect the purples?

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Probably not
The courts don't have a problem contiguous territory being interrupted by rivers and lakes - even if there is no road connecting them. They even tolerated a Congressional district (MD-1) that had disconnected parts of Maryland's Eastern shore and southern Maryland in the same district without any land/ bridge connection between them.

But they seem to draw the line at relying on bodies of water that serve as the state boundary being used as the connection. In the same way that you couldn't draw a district that had two disconnected areas up against a state line claiming to be contiguous because they could be connected through the neighbouring state, you can't use the water outside of the state as a way to connect two territories.

That said, there may be ways to make it happen - a narrow strip of beach, offshore islands, or some bizarre state law about land in tidal areas might allow it to take place.  


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Would a beach
Be part of the blue precinct though? The state line goes out 12 mi into the Gulf of Mexico.  

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They would need to break up the precinct
Redistricting can cross existing precinct lines - but only if they redraw the precinct lines to accommodate the changes they want to make.

The best analogy I can think of is the AZ 1/ AZ 2 situation where they drew a connecting strip that consists of the bottom of the Grand Canyon along the Colorado river to reach over and include the Hopi reservation in AZ 2. (The Hopi and the Navajo don't want to be in the same district, and since the Hopi territory is completely surrounded by the Navajo reservation, this ridiculous land connection was necessary to achieve contiguity.) When they first drew the district, they had to create mythical precincts in the unpopulated portions of land at the bottom of much the canyon by carving them out of existing precincts that had included that territory.

The same thing could be done on a narrow strip of beach land.


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Another political effect of the earthquake: auto sales
I'm gathering that auto production in Japan will be shut down for a week -- but parts issues from affected supplier plants will slow production for a longer period of time.

Assuming the just-in-time inventory model for Japan means parts shortages for at least certain cars,

I'm reading some analysis that suggests a positive impact for US-based manufacturers, possibly starting in a couple of weeks or so (once cars in the current shipping pipeline are delivered).

Unknown -- how much does Detroit depend on parts deliveries from affected parts suppliers in areas affected by the earthquake/tsunami. (I assume dependence varies by model.)

Bottom line: short term negative for west coast shipping (both directions), potential short term positive for US auto manufacturers who don't depend on suppliers in affected areas.

I'd hate to benefit from such tragedies, especially at the expense of people who are suffering so much right now, but that is part of life.


Almost none
Unknown -- how much does Detroit depend on parts deliveries from affected parts suppliers in areas affected by the earthquake/tsunami. (I assume dependence varies by model.)

There are few Big 3 models that use Japanese parts anymore.  Those types of joint ventures have become rare--probably the last being the late Pontiac Vibe.

It will really hurt the true imports like the Toyota Prius, all Subaru, Nissan, etc.  It will hamper domestic production at the foreign owned U.S. plants as well.  Although many U.S. made parts are used in these cars, the bodies and much of the chassis are typically imported directly from Japan.


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Even thought there are no joint ventures anymore
The Big 3 still import a lot of their parts from Japan to America, Canada, and other factories all around the world. It will be hardest on Toyota, Honda, and Nissan, but it will affect everyone. As a diehard GM fan who wants to see them take back their #1 title in the world, I hope this isn't the reason they get it back.  

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I also figured the earthquake will help China politically
Oh, you need a trillion dollars to rebuild, let me just loan that to you.  ::Mr Burns fingers::  Excellent.

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Pretty sure Japan already owes a large amount to China.


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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