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SSP Daily Digest: 1/27

by: Crisitunity

Thu Jan 27, 2011 at 7:59 PM EST


IN-Sen: Wow, for a late-70-something, Dick Lugar's got a major pair of huevos. He keeps on giving the tea partiers the middle finger despite the great likelihood of a primary challenge, and maybe took that up a notch yesterday, calling the movement out for offering only "cliché" and not being able to "articulate the specifics."

MI-Sen: You'd expect a poll from Republican pollster Wilson Research to offer worse news for Debbie Stabenow than PPP would, but that's not the case, as they find wider margins against Peter Hoekstra and Terry Lynn Land. Not that Stabenow should be popping the champagne corks yet, as she's still in the proverbial danger zone; she beats Hoekstra 47-41 (whom she led by only 1, in PPP's December poll) and beats Land 46-41. She also sports a definite re-elect of 33%, compared with a "consider someone else" of 36% and 23% definitely "vote against."

NV-Sen: Well, this is a vague tea leaf that Sharron Angle might be too busy to run for Senate in 2012 as some have speculated; instead, she might be too busy running for President, if her strange visit to Iowa is any indication.

UT-Sen: This is a striking piece of news, considering that the Tea Party Express attacked pretty much every Republican to the left of Jim DeMint in 2010 and seemed to be gearing up for another round in 2012 (with rumors that he was looking into a primary challenge to John Barrasso!). But today TPX's head, Sal Russo, said that Orrin Hatch, one of the big three teabagger targets among GOP incumbents up in 2012, won't be a TPX target. He even went so far as to call Hatch "an original tea partier." Gotta wonder what Russo's angle is here. This comes only shortly after John Cornyn basically said that Hatch was on his own in the primary, that the NRSC wouldn't be getting involved on his behalf.

AL-Gov: "Sir" Charles Barkley has been threatening to run for Alabama Governor for seemingly ages, but it seems like the dream has finally died. He says he's no longer considering it, saying politics is "a bad business right now." Also, speaking of Alabama, it looks like 2010 gubernatorial loser Ron Sparks has quickly landed on his feet, picking up a job in the administration of the man who defeated him, new Gov. Robert Bentley. Sparks will be the first head of the newly-created Alabama Rural Development Office.

IN-Gov: Today was supposed to be the big decision day for Mike Pence, but we really wound up only getting half a decision (although the other half looks pretty clear, by implication). He said that he won't be running for President, and that his "heart is in Indiana." That seems a pretty clear suggestion that he'll be running for Governor instead, but he stopped well short of actually saying that today, simply saying he'll decide "later this year" what to do next.

CT-05: Here's some more movement in the GOP field in what's the earliest-developing open seat race of 2012. Justin Bernier, who narrowly lost the three-way primary in 2010 (and who'd started in pole position until Sam Caligiuri dropped down from the Senate race), makes it official, saying he's going to run again. Also, state Sen. Andrew Roraback is talking himself up for the race; he's loudly touting his moderate credentials, even citing Mike Castle as a legislative role model.

PA-St. House: It looks like the Pennsylvania state House didn't quite get the memo on civility that was passed around a few weeks ago. Video of the House floor meltdown is available at the link, although as far as legislative riots go, they still have a long way to go before they can rival the Taiwanese.

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Re PA State House
The rep in the picture with the scarf over her mouth is mine, Babette Josephs. She's a character.

One
of the upsides of a parliamentary system is that you are openly encouraged to engage in angry shouting matches with the other party. And even take shots at the majority leader's character:



19, Male, Independent, CA-12


Nigel Farage of the UKIP at the EU Parliament is pretty to watch

Which of course lends itself perfectly to a video by Auto Tune the News:


Male, VA-08


[ Parent ]
Well, Russo isn't the only guy claiming to lead the Tea Party
I'm sure someone tea-flavored will mount an effort to unseat Sen. Hatch. Someone will probably take a cut at Sens. Snowe, Scott Brown, and Corker, too, even if some Tea Party leaders profess disinterest.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

I don't know, they seem to have a hard time following through
I'm still surprised they just let MurkyQurque waltz back to the senate like that.  even with all of millers faults, this is the "we'd elect a hitchhiker with a knife if he believes in our mantra" tea party.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Sen. Murkowski DID lose the primary...
And the fact of the matter is, while the majority of Republican primary voters may be willing to vote for Teabags McGee over a respectable, hard-working public servant, even to the point of sacrificing an election on the altar of ideological purity, you're not going to get a majority of general election voters to play along in most states, even some red states - including Alaska.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
still, they abandoned him after the primary
it was seen as a 3 way race, with miller in free fall, yet they put in no money after the primary and remember, the murkowski write-in makes sense now, but back then it was a huge hail mary.  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Ideally, we'll get challengers to take
on all incumbents. Our chances of having a good year will improve dramatically if we are going against Teabaggers in some of these states.

We should only get so lucky to have a Teabagger take out Scott Brown. That be an instant pick up for us, allowing us to spend money elsewhere.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Tea party did not take down Bennett
As was pointed out on Daily Kos, Bob Bennett did not lose because the Tea Party rallied against him.  He lost at the state GOP convention because the hardcore GOP base in Utah didn't like him, and they don't like Hatch either.  The Tea Party later endorsed Lee, but not until after Bennett had already come in third at the convention.  Orrin Hatch WILL NOT win renomination at the convention, regardless of what the Tea Party does.

[ Parent ]
Where have you been?
The "hardcore GOP base" in every state has either become the tea party, or are at the very least tea party-influenced.  If you don't see that the tea party has infected just about every state party (hell, they've taken over in New England New Hampshire), I don't know what to tell you.  Whether they indentify as such is totally irrelevant, now.

[ Parent ]
Re: Angle, I've seen stranger things
Alan Keyes, anyone?  

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a lot of the "members"
look like fake accounts using photobucket.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Alan Keyes 2012
If Palin leads Obama to a 380+ electoral vote reelection Keyes would cede Obama 410+ electoral votes.

[ Parent ]
I wonder what states Alan Keyes would actually win
If he pulls off more than Utah, Wyoming, Idaho, Oklahoma, and NE-03 I'd be surprised.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
hmm
Alabama and Alaska?  I was way to generous to suggest Keyes would get over 100 electoral votes.

[ Parent ]
My predictions for Keyes v. Obama
Wyoming and NE-03: Safe R
Utah: Likely R
Idaho, and Oklahoma: Lean R
Alabama, Alaska, and NE-01: Tossup
Kentucky, Kansas, Tennessee and West Virgina: Lean D
Everything Else: Likely/Safe D  

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
I think the thing that could hurt Keyes in the south
Is that he supports giving the decedents of slaves temporary exemption from the income tax as a form of reparations for slavery. That would definitely not go over well in Alabama.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
None, zero states
Some other conservative (and/or racist) alternative would be available, and he'd be Dan Maes.

[ Parent ]
That would be my total fantasy
Alan Keyes gets nominated and most of the GOP defects to Ron Paul or to the Constitution Party. As it becomes clear that uniting behind Paul or whoever else is running is the only possible way to beat Obama, the Republican Party coalesces behind them and Keyes's support drops to the low single digits. Obama wins in a landslide (400+ electoral votes). Keyes doesn't even crack the five percent mark required to stay a major party in most states, and so the GOP becomes a minor party in most states and is forced to petition for ballot access.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
Jim DeMint running for President?
http://www.theatlanticwire.com...

DeMint, who was a major backer of Tea Party candidates, hasn't found a Republican 2012 candidate worth backing yet--aside from Rep. Mike Pence, who isn't well known and hasn't decided whether to run. Unlike in 2008, when he endorsed Mitt Romney early on, DeMint might not endorse anyone this cycle.

He's going to Iowa in March....


no one's paying attention to New Hampshire
bwa hah aha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
I have a hard time understanding DeMint not running
The guy's time is here.  The teabaggers are his children as much an anyone, and there is no candidate that fits with his idealogical tea flavor.  

I have no problem seeing DeMint enthusiastically back Pence, but without him, it would be peculiar to back Palin.  

It would be like hiring someone unreliable to babysit your infant child.  

He may prefer someone else to run, but I bet he doesn't like the current options anymore than most people.


[ Parent ]
One of these days,
I'm going to make a list of all of the Republicans that endorse Romney in 2008. Then I am going to call all of them and ask them how they could support a candidate that had the same health care reform plan as Obama enacted. It's really incredible that nobody is called out for this, unless these people are so damn stupid that they didn't realize what he did in Massachusetts.

Anyway, as far as DeMint running, I could see him going places. He comes from a crucial primary state, he's probably enough pull with all of the major factions, and he's been in Washington for enough time so that he won't be tarred with the novice label. I'm not sure he'd come anywhere close in a general, but he'd certainly be someone to watch should he decide to run.

I'm starting to wonder, however, just how many people are going to actually run. If they have a debate, will they have both people like Romney and people like Santorum and Hermain Cain? It'll look like an absolute clown show.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
In 1996, they had every yahoo under the sun running...
Remember Jim Dorgan?  This year it seems like double that!  A candidate could easily win a state primary with 20% of the vote with everyone jumping in so fast and hard.

Yes, it's chaotic and absolutely wide open it seems.


[ Parent ]
I almost
wonder if we are headed for a situation of primaries within primaries, where the social conservatives and the fiscal conservatives splinter off and then compete with the other people in that category.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
GOP with net positive rating for first since 2005
http://www.gallup.com/poll/145...

GOP at 47%-43% positive
Dems at 46%-47% negative

For a party that's brand was "dog food" as recently as 2008, they sure made a V-shaped recovery.

Can anyone else think of a time a party has recovered so quickly?  The only time I can think of is Republicans recovered everything they lost and more in 1966 after 1964 and how Democrats recovered in 1982 after 1980.

It took Democrats until 2006 to recover from 1994 and it took Republicans until 1980 to recover from 1974.

Will it take Democrats another twelve years to recover from 2010?


They aren't in a bad spot now, and
it didn't preclude them from making fairly major gains between 1994 and 2006.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Democrats probably would've won Congress in 2002
had 9/11 not happened.  

[ Parent ]
2018 at the earliest
Democrats can only win when Republicans have governed for a while. They cannot possibly sustain their majorities in today's political climate, it's impossible.  

[ Parent ]
So you think
it's all but certain that they will lose the Senate in 2012, regardless of the candidates running?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Not necessarily
but the odds are at best, even. An Obama landslide would help because it would probably mean Dems keep all the incumbent seats.

Nebraska and North Dakota are gone. I'm not sure we can pick up any Republican seat except Massachusetts. So we're starting at 51-49.  


[ Parent ]
Depending
on who they recruit, I wouldn't call ND gone.  Also, we can pick up Ensign's seat in NV and maybe in ME if Snowe retires or is beaten in the primary.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
(cont.)
Unlike last time, the ND GOP doesn't have the sure thing that Hoeven was.  The Dems still have a good bench to work with, starting with the Heitkemps, then branching off to others, as listed in a DD a week ago.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
And as for Nevada
Ensign is stubborn and Heller is hedging, but the Dems have a good candidate in Berkley and she can win the support of the whole machine.

And in Maine, the primary polls there have shown Snowe badly underwater with Republicans (but found favorable by Dems).

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
If
the teabaggers in Maine can get their shit together... They've been leaderless in the quest to primary Snowe ever since Paul LeTeabag threw his support behind Snowe.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Well, they don't need him.
That made it harder, but she is still unpopular with Republicans there.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
He'll also have less pull
as he continues to embarrass the state with his dickishness and glaring incompetence.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Anyone can beat Ensign in a primary
Ensign is the Jim Bunning of 2012. With him in, Dems win, out, Dems can't win. They'll find a way to get him out.

As for Maine, there needs be a formidable tea party candidate in the race before I believe Snowe is gone.


[ Parent ]
Ensign is not the only "beatable" R
Furthermore, NV is not KY.

However, I would rate a Heller v. Berkeley race as lean R, perhaps slight lean R.


[ Parent ]
Agreed
NV will be much more competitive for Obama, and I'm pretty confident he will hold it in 2012, unlike many of the other states Gore and Kerry lost.

[ Parent ]
Scott Brown and Jon Kyl are "beatable"
although I think our best candidate vs. Kyl is in a Houston rehab facility.

Olympia Snowe's seat is only winnable if open.


[ Parent ]
Ever hear of Kristin Hedger?
No? She was the Democratic candidate for Secretary of State for the DNPL in North Dakota in 2006. She went up against a 14-year Republican incumbent and came within eight points of defeating him. She was only 26 years old.
That's not that close of a margin, but you'd think that a 26-year-old who never held public office before going up against an incumbent (who probably wasn't unpopular) would go down in flames. She didn't.

Anyway, as I am sure you would agree, instead of acting as if it's already gone, why not work on finding a good candidate and then letting him or her campaign? The state clearly isn't averse to electing Democrats, and as both you and I have been pointing out, their biggest candidate is already in the Senate.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
That's a misreading of the polls...
The current poll is the most realistic presentation.  The previous numbers were bogus, fueled by teabaggers who were upset that the GOP was too "liberal", but were ready to vote for them en masse regardless.  Now that teabaggers are in power, they are happier, and we are getting amore accurate analysis.

The GOP couldn't have won 63 seats if they were really as unpopular as the polls said they were.  People like republicans and give them way more benefit of the doubt than Democrats do.  There was no massive public anger with the GOP in 2006 and 2008 like Dems got in 2010, just "disappointment".  So, a natural tendency to like republicans and a honeymoon bounce and here we are!

"Will it take Democrats another twelve years to recover from 2010? "

It is important to notice that the congressional Dems have recovered significantly as well, gaining more than 20 points since March.  The approvals between the two parties are basically even, only the disapproval are different, and not by much.  If we continue this rate of gain, we will be back in no time.

Remember that in 1996, we wont he national congressional vote, but the national and state parties were so disorganized, we couldn't take advantage of it.

So, cheer up... it could be worse.  If the Dems do their jobs, GOP disapproval will rise again.  That's easier said than done, but it can be done.  Nancy Pelosi did it once, and she can do it again!


[ Parent ]
One poll only
You were right about the honeymoon part. Time will tell if it lasts. They are in somewhat of a box though since the electorate wants them to cooperate and I think most of us agree they are unlikely do do it.

[ Parent ]
Why
Does SSP have the most awesome google ads? now had "draft Petraeus", a banner ad of "Chavez' Venezuela prevents US and Europe from a financial collapse" and all the time so many awesome ads, some time because of a word in an article.

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

I see "Matt Blunt" ads.
They lead me to a website he's running for some unknown reason.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I don't pretend to know Missouri politics
But why isn't Matt Blunt ever mentioned for MO-SEN? could possibly join dad... By the way is there precedence for dad and son serving in the senate at the same time?

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

[ Parent ]
Matt
Blunt left the governor's office very unpopular. He was wise to retire instead of being killed by Jay Nixon. I wouldn't read his wikipedia page though, someone white washed it and made it look like Matt Blunt was the best governor Missouri ever had.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Not sure about both in the senate
But there are plenty of examples of father-sons serving in congress together. The Kennedy's and Paul's come to mind as recent examples.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
Um, Matt Blunt was a crummy governor.
He wouldn't fare well in a campaign.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I
Always have "Governor Matt Blunt", dunno what I did to him...

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

[ Parent ]
This also comes up always
"official Obama website" barackobama.com

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

[ Parent ]
That is
his official website.  That one is no scam.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
If you click on that diary about asian-american voting patterns
You get a bunch of asian dating ads. XD

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
I see
an ad for an online master's degree in political management from George Washington University! And also retirement funds from Vanguard.

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Twitter
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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
No matter what thread I'm in...
the ads are usually Japanese Groupon ads...

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
JK Simmons wants to sell me auto insurance.


Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
I keep getting Ann Coulter
barf

[ Parent ]
Google ads are based on keywords
and IP addresses.

So the ads you see are based on the text on the current page, along with the geographic location of the IP address that you're using.  


[ Parent ]
It's probably better for Hatch not to get help from
outside groups like the NRSC. Hatch has seen the light and is meeting with teaparty member to try and avoid what happened to Bob Bennett.  
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

In the Republican nominating convention, a couple thousand delegates decide the nominees for the primary. So, basically, it's retail politics and meeting with these people in order to secure their support. I think Bennett ended up with about 1 million dollars when he lost at the convention. There was really nothing the NSRC could do except look like outsiders coming in. Hatch is better off with them staying "neutral."  


Bah, I hate conventions.
It's where mob mentality rules.  Primaries forever!

And I wouldn't say "seen the light."  Rather, he's being very shrewd.  And I don't mind it.  If he's defeated, it'll just mean someone even further to the right will win, which is bad.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
All Hatch has to do
 is come in no worse than 2nd at his state convention to advance to the primary election (Bennett came in 3rd).  With average Republican voters in the primary (rather than the 3400 activists at the convention) an incumbent Senator ought to be able to win.

[ Parent ]
TPX didn't get involved until post-convention
If I remember rightly. So it wasn't necessary to defeat Bennett.

[ Parent ]
SSP Daily Digest: 1/27
What topics are dominating the hallways and panels at the World Economic Forum? From low-income countries to Larry Summers, David Kirkpatrick on six things everyone is talking about. Digital + Business = Everything The realities of digital...

Bellaplex


If it walks like a spam and quacks like a spam
It probably is a spam.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Anger levels approaching 500 millichristies
Not for the fact that it's spam, but for the mention of Davos.

überliberal Democrat, male, OH-12 (college), NJ-09 ("home"), Mets, Jets

[ Parent ]
Better than expected growth in 2O10
Acceleration in last quarter. Great news for the president but probably for House Republicans too. People will likely see jobs in 2011 coinciding with split government which I've alluded to before. We might just get our first non-wave election since 2004 in 2012.

As
long as we hold the senate and the presidency in 2012 I'll take it. Besides, it might be good for the teabaggers to get dose of hard medicine like progressives did after Obama was elected when they see Boehner making deals with Reid and Obama on the budget and basic things to keep the government running. Its easier to mock the president from the sidelines than it is when you actually have to help govern.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Thus the bargain
If Boehner does deals with the President, the Rs seem likely to keep the House in '12 -- unless Tea partiers successfully primary a couple of dozen Rs.

If Boehner does the bidding of the Tea party, the House may come within a few seats of flipping back, even with an improving economy.


[ Parent ]
Why wouldnt this also be good news for Senate Democrats?
They are incumbents too.  

[ Parent ]
It is good news for Senate Dems
It's good news for all incumbents.  

[ Parent ]
Exactly as I've predicted


[ Parent ]
Charlie Cook
Here is Charlie displaying his amazing ability to use many words to tell us what we already know and basically provide zero real analysis.

http://www.nationaljournal.com...


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


MI-Sen
Hoekstra confirmed to The Hill that he's looking at challenging Stabenow. This of course surprises exactly no one. It will be interesting to see who else gets in on the GOP side, Hoekstra would probably be the primary favorite regardless of who else gets in, but does Anuzis really want to run for office (never mind whether he should or not) and of course Terry Lynn Land.

I'm not that well tuned into Michigan repblicans anymmore (most my people have moved away), but those I have spoken to don't think Land has the stomach for a primary fight and Anuzis would only run if all the A-listers passed.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


Rick Berg for Senate - ALREADY?!?!?
Interesting take, would he really be able to clear a primary after 1 month in the House?

"Rick Berg would be the likely one to take that seat on because he's already in Washington. If he decides to do it, I don't see anybody challenging him. He's a pretty powerful candidate," said North Dakota Republican National Committee member Curly Haugland. "He's the only one who had a contest against a sitting incumbent Democrat; he beat him by 10 [percentage] points. No one else was demonstrating strength or doing a power check. He did."


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


Well, Sam Brownback did it
Heck, he won a special election, so he didn't even serve one full term in the House.

[ Parent ]
Atty. Gen. Stenejhem...
Would be an idiot not to run against Rep. Berg. I can understand a truce between Berg and Commissioner Kalk, in which Kalk runs for House, but Stenejhem is a brand name in North Dakota.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
He's
been elected statewide already and as the article said, open seats in North Dakota don't open up that often as witnessed by Dorgan and Conrad. Also it would be a natural change for Berg. And right now Berg wouldn't be at the bottom at senate freshman seniority if he won because congressmen leapfrog everyone except for former senators and cabinet officials.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Clear Primary?
I think this will be the critical factor that determines if Berg switches to the Senate race, if he can clear the primary he'll run for the higher office, but if he has to fight for the nominations I doubt it. Why risk a clear shot at re-election, and obviously a very strong likelyhood of nearly perpetual re-election after that, for what could be political oblivion?

Imagin if he lost to Stenejhem in the primary and someone like Kalk takes his house seat. What's you next move, ace?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Kasich is nearing LePage now.
Because his cabinet is currently all-white (the first time since '61), some leading AA state lawmakers asked if they could help him find some minority applicants, Kasich said "I don't need your people."

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


wow
idiot.  he could have said "thanks for your input, but i have faith in those i hired" instead he just seemed like a good ole boy racist.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Racist douche.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
I don't think
he's being a racist. I just think he's tone deaf.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
stupid
I suspect he meant Democrats by "you", but it was still a stupid thing to say.  

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
It is extremely perplexing that
he would use that exact phrase when speaking to a black person. If he meant Democrats it was still stupid to say it in that manner as to be construed as "black people".

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Seems to lack credibility
in the state of Ken Blackwell, though I suppose the explanation is conceivable.

[ Parent ]
He supposedly
asked two black people to join his administration, but they turned him down.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I don't care that he's
politically to the right of Snowe, Collins, Brown, and possibly Kirk, Richard Lugar is my favorite Republican senator and, IMO, one of the best overall.  

NY-01/NY-19

Stutzman seems to be the RedState favorite to primary Lugar
I'm not convinced that Tea partiers will unite around one opponent to Lugar, however.

[ Parent ]
Stutzman isn't the more inspiring candidate, either
I do fear Lugar has a ceiling in the 30s here, though I'm not aware of any polling to confirm that. The thing is, none of the state's right-wingers seem appealing-enough for the Tea Party to fully coalesce around. I mean, John Hostettler was about as conservative as it gets, and they couldn't bring themselves to be thrilled over him. I bet a bunch of businessmen run, but enough for Lugar to prevail with a lukewarm plurality? It's possible, but I think he needs at least two well-known right-wingers to run.  

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[ Parent ]
I know
Lugar is pretty well liked in the state, even amongst Democrats, and that could help him in the open primary. But will it? After all, liking someone and wanting them to win are two different things. I wonder how many Democrats are thinking if the better option is to make sure he doesn't win by voting for a Teabagger in the primary and then voting for the Democrat in the general.  

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Not sure it'd be wise for Democrats to go that strategic route...
I suspect, given Dan Coats and his comfortable win in 2010, a lot of Democrats may well fear that a legit Tea Partier could win in a general election, even against a decent Democrat, in 2012. Plus, I think a lot of moderate Democrats quite like Richard Lugar and would vote for him in a general.

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That makes sense.
But even if they aren't being strategic, what are the chances that they save him? I don't doubt they like him, but will their preference of him translate into enough votes to save him in a close race?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Lisa Murky 2.0?


party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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I guess there's a
chance for a write in campaign, but I was referring to something different.

Unless I have misunderstood what people have been saying, the argument is that because of Indiana's open primary system, Democrats can cross over to vote for him, which some would certainly do because many of them like and respect him. But while this is a possibility, I'm not sure how likely it is. A lot of the Democrats that probably like him aren't base voters, but rather the casual voters that might not be very motivated to turn out. And even if there are a lot of them that are motivated, would they, along with the moderate Republicans voting in this primary, be plentiful enough to save him?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I understood your original point, and was just voicing a thought
It was more like, it might be possible for him to go this route.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Oh.
Has there been any discussion of how legally or logistically possible it is for this to happen? I would be surprised if there's some legal barrier to it, but you never know. And while Indiana's not Texas or New York, it's not Alaska, either. It doesn't have something like 40 percent of the population living in one major city.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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The other issue with Senator Lugar is
how good of a campaigner is he?  The guy hasn't had an even marginally close election since 1982.  Right now, he certainly seems to be saying "Fuck you, teabaggers -- I'm running and I'm not afraid of you."  But if this shapes up as a tough primary fight against one other main opponent, can Lugar make his case being the less conservative person in an Indiana Republican primary?  And if Mike Pence is the consensus choice for governor on the same ballot, is he dragged into this?

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The fact that IN has an open primary helps him a lot...
He will need to turn out independent voters, which is very doable if he can paint his opponents as extremists.

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