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SSP Daily Digest: 1/19

by: Crisitunity

Wed Jan 19, 2011 at 5:00 PM EST


FL-Sen: With everyone fixated on the three retirements in the Senate in the last week (although the Fix makes the good point this morning that by this point in the 2010 cycle, there had already been four retirements), Bill Nelson seems compelled to point out that he won't be one of them. In front of as many reporters as possible (at an AP gathering), he confirmed today that he's running again.

MO-Sen, MO-06: Wow, this is out of nowhere (although I'm not sure whether this is going to have any legs beyond today), but potentially very interesting: Republican Rep. Sam Graves is suddenly expressing some interest in the Senate race, calling it a "great opportunity." He's been in the House since 2000 and is chair of the Small Business Committee, so giving that up would be a big move. He may be seeing the diminished likelihood of a Jim Talent run and sensing there's room for another establishmentarian-type candidate to go against the more tea-flavored Sarah Steelman. (This would open up MO-06 in the state's rural northwest, which was Dem-held before Graves but has shifted to the right, currently R+7; Dems tried to make it competitive in 2008 and didn't get any traction.)

ND-Sen: Ready for a whole lot of names of people who might run for Senate? In fact, let me just blockquote the Bismarck Tribune, rather than transcribing it laboriously:

The list of Republicans whose names are being thrown out include Gov. Jack Dalrymple, Lt. Gov. Drew Wrigley, Rep. Rick Berg, Attorney General Wayne Stenehjem, Tax Commissioner Cory Fong, Public Service Commissioners [Brian] Kalk and Kevin Cramer, Sen. John Hoeven's state director Shane Goettle, GOP state treasurer Bob Harms, and Great Plains Software developer Doug Burgum.
As for Democrats, names circulating include both [ex-state Sen. and radio host]Joel and [ex-AG] Heidi Heitkamp, former state Sen. Tracy Potter, USDA Rural Development Director Jasper Schneider, state Sen. Mac Schneider, U.S Attorney Tim Purdon, Conrad's state director Scott Stofferahn and former Byron Dorgan staffer Pam Gulleson, former agriculture commissioner Sara Vogel, former state Rep. Chris Griffin, State Sen. Tim Mathern of Fargo, Senate Minority Leader Ryan Taylor and even Earl Pomeroy.

The Bismarck Tribune article also gets a number of these people on record, although their comments are all various degrees of noncommittal. Kent Conrad tipped his hand a bit yesterday, giving nods in the Grand Forks Herald to both Heitkamps, as well as to Schneider. One other Dem who got mentioned a lot yesterday, Roger Johnson (the president of the National Farmers Union) has already said he's not interested. And in what's not a surprise, the Tea Partiers aren't happy with anyone of 'em (although some had some words of praise for Berg), but are still promising to "battle for control."

VT-Sen: It looks like Republican state Auditor Tom Salmon's Facebook attacks on Bernie Sanders weren't just the work of a bored guy at work but, as many speculated, part of a coordinated plan to move toward a run against Sanders; he's now publicly saying that he he's interested in the race. Color me puzzled: why would Salmon (who was a Democrat until a year and a half ago) go after an entrenched institution like Sanders in 2012 when he could run for Gov. against Peter Shumlin, who's just getting situated and won by only a narrow margin in 2010?

KY-Gov: This one gets filed straight to the Department of Foregone Conclusions, but it was made official today: Republican state Sen. president David Williams and Ag Comm. Richie Farmer filed their candidacy papers today, to go up against incumbent Dem Steve Beshear in November.

WV-Gov: We're getting some pushback/clarification from Shelley Moore Capito's team regarding claims from gubernatorial candidate Betty Ireland that she wasn't going to run for Governor; a spokesperson says the only thing that's off the table is a run in the special election for Governor (which we know now will be held this November). She's still open to a bid for either Governor or Senate in 2012. Dave Catanese also wonders whether Capito's timeline is a little longer, i.e. a 2014 run against Jay Rockefeller (or for his open seat, if he retires, seeing as how he'll be 77 then). It's also looking like the candidates for November's special election will be picked by primary rather than by the parties; acting Gov. Earl Ray Tomblin, who was the main impediment to a 2011 election until yesterday's supreme court ruling, says he's working with SoS (and likely Dem primary opponent) Natalie Tennant to set special primaries in motion.

NY-13: Ex-Rep. Mike McMahon seems to be laying groundwork for a rematch against Mike Grimm, who defeated him narrowly in 2010. He reached out to members of the Staten Island Democratic Association at a meeting last night.

OR-01: Rep. David Wu has always struck people as a little odd (many of you probably remember his Klingons speech), but it seems like something has intensified lately, and it's starting to come out in the open. It's been revealed that in the last few months, he's lost a number of his key staffers amidst complaints about his public behavior, including his chief of staff (who left to join a Rep. with less seniority) and his communications director (who left without having another job lined up, which is even more highly unusual, especially in this economic climate). This chief fundraiser and chief pollster also say they don't plan to work with him any longer. This is a D+8 district with a robust Dem bench, which is good because this may be a difficult story for Wu to shake, especially given general rumblings of discontent with him that have been building over time.

Mayors: Philadelphia mayor Michael Nutter looks like he's in good shape for his 2011 re-election, according to a new poll from Municipoll. Nutter's at 47-39 against Generic D primary opponent, wins a three-way primary against Bill Green and Anthony Williams 46-21-18, and wins a three-way against Sam Katz and Williams 44-22-21. Interestingly (though consistent with the original coalition that elected him), Nutter has stronger support among whites (64% favorable) than he does among African-Americans, at 45%. (Nutter is black.) Nutter also just secured the support of the Laborers union. Even further down the weeds in Philly, Republican state Rep. (and, briefly, former speaker) Dennis O'Brien will run for a vacant city council seat in NE Philly. That's good news, because it might free up his state House seat and make any Dem attempt to retake the state House in 2012 easier, seeing as how his seat is one of the most Dem-leaning seats held by a Republican.

Minnesota: Two stories developing in Minnesota; one, the legal battle over 2012 redistricting has already begun, with Minnesota its first flashpoint. With the GOP controlling the legislature (but not the governorship), Dems have filed a suit seeking an injunction requiring legislators to submit proposed redistricting plans directly to the court (where they'll probably wind up anyway, regardless of how this suit goes). Also, Minnesota GOP legislators are seeking to emulate their next-door neighbors in Wisconsin in making it more difficult to vote, seeking to push a voter ID bill.

Redistricting: You may remember some Republican laments from a few days ago about the apparent failure of their MAPS program to raise the money needed to coordinate redistricting at a national level; those fears seem to be spreading, including to ex-Rep. Tom Reynolds, who's spearheading the process for the GOP this year. Part of the problem seems to be that they spent so much money winning control of state legislatures in November that nothing was reserved for coordinating the subsequent redistricting. Nathan Gonzales also previews how state legislators from both parties are currently hunkering down in Washington learning (since many weren't in office in 2000) the redistricting process from the ground up; in particular, they're learning the new technologies (like GIS programs like Maptitude), which obviously have come a long way since the last round of redistricting.

Census: Hats off to the Census Bureau, who, just in time to go with their upcoming onslaught of 2010 data, have launched a new and improved version of American FactFinder (the main research tool on their site), a significant improvement over the rather clumsy and unintuitive existing version. I wouldn't go so far as to call the new version intuitive either, but it makes multi-variable searches and customized maps much easier.

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tom salmon
"why would Salmon (who was a Democrat until a year and a half ago) go after an entrenched institution like Sanders in 2012 when he could run for Gov. against Peter Shumlin, who's just getting situated and won by only a narrow margin in 2010?"

1.  after bernie's speech, salmon might be able to tap into the netroots on the right, getting thousands, if not millions from them that wouldn't be available if he challenges Shumlin.

2.  Bernie's old and may retire if a threat comes along (conversely, Bernie's a fighter and rather cantankerous at times to boot.  I see Bernie staying just to send salmon a message).

3.  Tom salmon's ego is larger than maine and thinks he deserves more than to "just" be governor.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.


Heh.
"(conversely, Bernie's a fighter and rather cantankerous at times to boot.  I see Bernie staying just to send salmon a message)"

If this is the case, I like Sanders that much more.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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If Bernie Sanders loses in fucking Vermont
I'm officially done with America.  

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Nobody said he would lose


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i know, I'm just saying


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Another reason salmon's looking at Bernie
is because after four years, Bernie's a clear target.  Shumlin, who just took office, is a question mark until next year, maybe later, meaning he has far less time to craft an anti-shumlin message than an anti-bernie one.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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It really just boils down to one thing
pretty much related to your third point: Tom Salmon is an egotistical idiot from a one-man political dynasty that began and ended with his dad. His party switch is living proof of that: the Dems won't throw him a bone by nominating him for Governor after he's auditor for, like, 10 minutes, when almost every other prominent Dem in the state had been waiting 10 YEARS+, so he goes and switches parties? Talk about an egotistical a-hole. He's like a really, really sad version of Evan Bayh without an ideology.

As for why he'd run against Bernie, arguably the most popular elected official in the state for the last 15 YEARS, it's because he's neither patient nor imaginative enough to run against Shumlin. Sanders is a known quantity. Of course, Sanders is also the one Vermont elected official who I really would NOT want to cross under those circumstances. Actually, I hope he goes for it. A Sanders-Salmon matchup would be hee-larious for anyone not named Tom Salmon.

Frankly, the only reason Salmon is still in office is that he was unopposed in 2010. Man, the VT auditor job is becoming as cursed as Defense Against the Dark Arts. First Ready, then Brock, now Salmon...wonder who they'll find to screw up next.  


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Thank you so much
for that Harry Potter reference!

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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two things
1.  Doug Hoffer ran against Salmon in 2010, unless you were cracking a joke about hoffer's non-campaigning.  if so, I concur, I had hopes for Hoffer that were dashed.

2.  I agree with Looking over, excellent HP reference.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.


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I was hopeful of Salmon's defeat last year, but finally he survives narrowly in a wave year

Not a big success for him but enough for we need talk about him now. And enough for be one of the results what I dislike more of the entire last cycle.

Well I think Sanders would not lose. If Salmon run not for Auditor is because he knows he would lose against every generic democrat. If he run not for governor is because he know he would lose big without no-one merit. If he want run for senate is basically by own ego.

Sanders will defeat him and the democrats have a secure gain for State Auditor. I hope the democrats from Vermont win all the statewide races in 2012 (defeating also to the new Lieutenant Governor).


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Salmon is still worse than Lieberman

This is like if Joe would tell... I will run for President in 2012

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As noted
Hoffer ran in '10, and I rather hope he'll go again in '12.  He seems as good as anyone to break the curse.

The rest of your post is dead-on, regarding Salmon himself.  Unimaginative, egotistic, unintentionally hilarious.  I'm just praying that nobody with an ounce of sense is able to dissuade him from providing us with this entertainment/catharsis for the next year and a half.


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Best Survivors
The Pennsylvania state legislature mention got me thinking. Anyone know the most Republican leaning seat held by a Democrat and vice versa? I figure the Democrat is somewhere in the south and the Republican on one of the coasts.

My guess
Dem-either Dan in OK or Jim in UT
Rep-Bob Dold! in IL. I think all the coastal GOP is gone, same with southern Dems, so the most democratic GOP is in the midwest.  

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It's Matheson and Dold
Courtesy of Wikipedia, which has a nice sortable table:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


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oops
At the national level I know it's Dold at D+6 and Matheson at R+15. I'm curious about the state level

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Senators?
Mark Begich and Ben Nelson at R+13 and Scott Brown at D+12.

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He's asking about state senators/reps
n/t

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

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And the clarity award goes to.......
PropJoe!

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clearly this means
something which means we're all doooooooooooooomed!!!11!!1!(TM)  (i hope that didn't break the screen like last time.)

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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Wanna Get Nuts? Then Let's Get Nuts!!!!!!
FL-Sen: This is legitimately good news. I continue to think he's the most underratedly strong Democrat running next cycle. He's not hated by Republicans, and while he's not particularly loved by Democrats, I fully expect the vast majority of them to vote for him anyway. I have no doubt that they will try a lot to take him down, but I consider him a strong favorite at this point.

ND-Sen: What are the chances that Pomeroy or Johnson could be talked into it? There's more than enough time for either of them to change their minds.

If not one of them, then who? The Republican's one H-Bomb of a candidate is already in the Senate, and while I don't think any of the rest are going to be easy opponents, I wouldn't view any of them as unbeatable. At this point, I wonder if the best solution is for the Democrat to have the resources necessary to travel the state and become a familar presence to voters. It's not clear if Obama will contest the state in 2012, but that may not be necessary.

As for the Teabaggers, what are the chances of them causing trouble? Others have said North Dakota is an unlikely place for them do it, for a few reasons, but at the same time, if the primary is small enough, and sufficiently large number of radical people are unhappy enough, who knows what could happen? Does anyone here know if there's a run off in primaries in this state or if they are open?

VT-Sen: Those are some good questions, but I have another one: why did this guy become a Republican in the first place?

NY-13: He really didn't get crushed this year, at least by national standards, and while it'd be nice to have a more liberal Represenative from New York, Staten Island seems to be more conservative than the surrounding areas. If he can win the district in whatever form it takes, then he should get a serious look.

Minnesota: I've argued about this with people in the past, but considering there's a very low, almost non-existant, incidence of coordinated voter fraud nationwide, I have to think one of two things: either there are some Midwestern states that have a very underreported problem, or the Republicans are behaving like a disease would, hoping to infect a sufficiently weakened body with the hopes of spreading. I'm not a lawyer yet, so I am not sure if this is the right analogy, but it seems like one it is accepted by one institution, it's normal for it to be accepted by another. Thus, the more states do stuff like this, the more others will follow. I mean, why did they start with Indiana (which is where this latest round of crap began, if memory serves me correctly)?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


Indiana is indeed at the epicenter of
the latest round of voter disenfranchisement.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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I think the Tea Party is likely to back Commissioner Kalk, Rep. Berg, or both
But I'm not sure the Tea Party is strong enough in North Dakota, traditionally a very Republican but also very pro-government state, to beat a seasoned establishment candidate like Atty. Gen. Stenehjem.

As for Michael McMahon, I'd rather he stay out and let someone else have a shot. He only lost NY-13 because he's a giant dick.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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Someone here
mentioned some rumor about Grimm and the incident with the ex-wife at the debate. Do you know anything about that? If not that, then why else is he a dick?

As for North Dakota, like I said, I don't doubt that it's not very big there, but I wonder how big it needs to be before it has an impact. Will the field be cleared for any of the major candidates? If not, then if two or even three big candidates split the vote, and there's no primary runoff, it doesn't seem outrageous to suggest that a Teabagger could emerge victorious with only a small percentage.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Well
He released a list of Grimm's Jewish donors.  

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That was
done by an aide who acted unilaterally.  She was promptly fired.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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I would if Pomeroy would pull a Baron HIll
if the seat was open.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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wonder*


CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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Do you think
they are seriously trying to get him into the race?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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No not atm
My question is if that would change if Berg ran.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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For the senate*


CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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I live in NY-13
or did until a few weeks ago.

McMahon lost because Staten Island is tea party central. Believe me, being a huge dick is no albatross around your neck in that part of New York. Like we always said growing up, God isolated Staten Island for a reason.


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NY-13
State Senator Diane Savino would win hands down and she's very liberal, but she can "speak Staten Island"

but she's on thin ice with the state Democratic Party at the moment.  


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Say more?


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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She's one of the 4 "Independent Democrats", right?
That might explain their lack of enthusiasm for her.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

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They recaucused
cause they wanted to be a buffer against corruption.  Their voting records will not change one bit.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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That's
a good thing. John Sampson and the four stooges (Carl Kruger, Pedro Espada, Ruben Diaz, and Hiram Monserrate) are the reason why voters will never trust Democrats with the state senate for a long long time. Even Andrew Cuomo would rather work with Skelos and the Republicans than most of the Democrats in the state senate. Not only is Cuomo more ideologically aligned with the senate Republicans on fiscal issues, but he wants to steer clear of the corrupt elements of his own party. Which I think is the reason why he didn't endorse Tom DiNapoli last year.

To be honest I'd rather have Savino rather than McMahon. He strikes me as a very arrogant man who'd do more damage towards the Democratic party in the long run.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


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Two things:
1. Aside from perhaps the property tax cap, how is Cuomo more aligned with the Republicans on fiscal issues?

2. Why doesn't Cuomo, now that he's the leader of the state party, work to flush out the corrupt Democrats? Easier said than done, of course, but unless the Republicans in the state senate are a lot more reasonable than I am giving them credit for, you'd think he'd rather work with Democrats, even if he has to take a cycle or two to find the right, non-corrupt ones.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Diane Savino kicks ass
Dude, seriously, I have few connections to NY, but without a doubt, State Sen. Diane Savino is one of my favorite politicians in the entire universe. For this speech alone, from last the gay marriage debates in the last Senate, she vaulted into the top 5. If she runs, I'm sending money:


Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Oh, she starts talking Staten Island
....At around the 2:10 mark with "I am over the age of 40, and that's all you're gonna get from me..."  And it gets more fuckyeahNewYork from there.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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This went viral in New York last year
Someone tweeted "I want to gay marry Diane Savino" and it was retweeted hundreds of times.

I especially love how she describes marriage has already being not sacred with the TV shows

"We're giving away husbands on a game show"
"30 desperate women compete to marry a 40 year old man who has never been able to maintain a decent relationship in his life"


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OR01
I remember hearing David Wu acted inappropriately towards a girl when he was at Stanford, so I guess this isn't too awfully surprising. I just like how his staffers seem to leave in pairs by first name...the block quote in the article mentions how first, Amy Adams and Meryl Streep Julie and Julia quit, and then Lisa and Lisa.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


More on Wu
http://www.oregonlive.com/poli...

Jaime Herrera (or whatever her last name is now) worked hard by comparison. These bits make me realize how pathetic Corneilus was as the R candidate.

Wu did make two public appearances before the election. Both were problematic.

In a speech before Washington County Democrats, he blasted his opponent as a telemarketer, The Oregonian as unfair and the Republican candidate for governor as stingy with tips. Wu also disclosed that he stopped drinking July 1.

snip -- I don't know if Wu is an alcoholic.

Phyllis Kirkwood, a Democratic precinct leader in Washington County, was alarmed enough to send Wu a letter after the Oct. 27 event.

As suggested, the D bench in OR-01 is deep.

snip -- the yelling was apparently towards D supporters during the Oct 27 event.

In an interview, Kirkwood said Wu "yelled a lot, which I didn't think was necessary. In fact, I almost got up and said, 'Hold on now, Mr. Wu, we are all your friends.'" .


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I saw Rep Wu this summer
leaving the Capitol Hill office of Kurt Shrader or Peter DeFazio. He sprinted to an elevator, and when he missed it, he looked like he was going to have a temper tantrum. He then and said "SH*T"  pretty loudly in front of a few staffers or interns walking by... he seemed a bit uncongressional.

I miss SSP. Republican, IL-10

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As a former OR-01 resident, NONE of this surprises me.
I've long held that Wu was one of the weakest, dumbest, weirdest, and just generally least valuable members of the Democratic caucus. Put it this way: over a decade after being elected, he still has less seniority than not only anyone else in his entering class but most Reps in the three classes elected AFTER him. And this was back when Dems still controlled the House. The only Dem of his vintage with less seniority was Vic Snyder, who, as we know, retired. I think it's time for Wu to do the same and leave this district to someone who can actually handle the job of being a Rep.

Frankly, if the voters of this district weren't as spectacularly lazy and apathetic as they tend to be, Wu would never have lasted.

As it is, I hope he's a victim of a serious primary challenge now that he's finally fallen completely off the deep end. This district can do SO much better.  


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How are you calculating seniority
as distinct from length of tenure?

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

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Congress.org congressional power rankings.
http://www.beavoter.com/congre...

This is a really old list from 2007 (note, for example, Bill Jefferson's name on the bottom), but overall, analyzing that list tells you several things.

Look at the OR house delegation. It goes:

74. Hooley (1996)
82. Blumenauer (1996)
169. DeFazio (1986)
283. Walden (1998)
324. Wu (1998)

In 2007, Wu's rank in the Class of 1998 was a fairly pathetic 32/34 - the two members he was above, Robin Hayes and Tom Tancredo, were both Republicans who left Congress after 2008. 9 REPUBLICANS in his class, including Greg Walden, were more powerful than he was by that algorithm.

Several freshmen on the list, including Brad Ellsworth, are listed as being more powerful than Wu, as are the NONVOTING delegates from Guam and the Virgin Islands.

In short, David Wu is a joke. A joke that's really stopped being funny. It's beyond time for him to go.  


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What do ABC, CNN and NBC all have in common?
They all have the president's approval rating coming in at 53% or more.

http://thepage.time.com/2011/0...


Not the 60%+ that I had predicted, post Tuscon speech
I was too optimistic. But I'll take it, especially with the State of the Union coming up.

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Things like this are also good news for the rest of the ballot
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Is it
too much to hope that Obama places the onus on them to cooperate and work with him on lowering unemployment at the State of the Union?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Oh I'm sure he will
And then they are stuck between a rock and a hard place - the majority of the American people who want them to compromise and the Tea Party that don't.

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shit son
And while I'd rather have the House, I'm in the camp that thinks it'll help him win in 2012 having it in the GOP hands.  The last two years have been all back-door deals so no one saw anything happen, even though it was the most productive Congress since the New Deal.  Now Obama will be front and center in the papers arguing against crap passed in the House and I think it'll also teach him how to still give a great speech, even when talking about policy.  An old prof and I firmly agree that he didn't use his power of the presidential address to the level he needed to as FDR had a whole fireside chat series on everything about the economy.  He did not do his homework, and how obvious of a thing to do!  And fuck American Idol.  Period.

Here we go, new game, and we're starting off on excellent footing.  Although I do think this whole "second chance for HCR" is a battle we'll lose all over again.  People already don't like the bill, so when the GOP pushes back it'll be like that Simpsons clip someone posted awhile back of Krebapple and Skinner arguing over raising taxes to pay for the school.  (If I were on my desktop I'd post it because I definitely saved the link somewhere.)  Put them in their place governmentally and let's move onto battles where we aren't starting off at a deficit.


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Recent polling is more mixed
And the GOP are in danger of repeating the Democratic mess in not concentrating on what people want them to focus on - jobs.

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hmmmm, maybe I'll retract my statement
about not the Dems not engaging in this debate as it'll short because I dont know how the debate can really continue.  I mean, can a Senator force a vote on something and hold up the chamber?  Do they plan on filibustering every piece of legislation until they get to vote on repeal?  Would that finally make the Dems pull their heads out of their asses and properly place the blame for the failure in Washington on Senate Republicans?

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When President Obama spoke
hours after Gabby Giffords was shot, NBC refused to preempt a football game...during a national tragedy...for the President.

When he spoke last week in Tucson, all my friends complained they won't vote for him again in 2012 because he made them miss Modern Family.

I had a 15 minute argument today with a DEMOCRAT who complained the State of the Union was gonna be on every channel. "They should only have one network carry it so the people who want to watch it can and the rest of us can watch other stuff"

FDR had to ability to speak to a country that wanted to hear what he had to say. Obama doesn't. The only thing those two Americas have in common is the number of stripes on the flag.  


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Are these
the sort of people that are very politically motivated? (It sounds like they aren't, but you never know.) If they are just average in that regard, chances are they forget they ever said it and base their decisions on other factors, or just don't vote at all.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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i concur
i can't imagine very many people would refuse to vote for someone because they preempted their show (and I watch a lot of TV, as I'm sure you know from my multitude of references).  if they don't vote for him, it's probably for another reason, they weren't political, or were republicans.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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They were in 2008


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I think they were kidding about that
and they'd still vote if I pushed them too, but you're talking about people who phonebanked for Obama in 2008 (because everyone else was doing) and then when it came time to discuss governing and policy, they were like "ugh, I hate this stuff" and went back to Dancing With The Stars.


[ Parent ]
So?
Voting only takes place AT MOST 2 to 3 times per year for any given combination of races.  So people don't want to talk politics all of the time.  I personally find the SOTU to be pretty boring and pop-in family guy DVD's when its on.

There is political overload in this country, I won't judge anyone for wanting a break now and then.  If they opt not to vote, I'm more upset but we all know someone who voted in 2008 and didn't in 2010.

And your friedns don't seem all that with it, Modern Family aired after the Tucson speech, so they really don't have a huge complaint or even a sensical one.


[ Parent ]
Because with the media skewed so far to the right
Democrats need all hands on deck all the time to even have a chance at winning the message war.

You can't complain the Democrats can't message when you're watching Family Guy while our leaders are talking.  


[ Parent ]
The finger thing
means the taxes!

[ Parent ]
"Listen to those passing motorists that support the teachers!"
[we then see Krabappel holding a sign that says "Honk if you love cookies!"

Anyway, I'm okay with losing the House this time around as long as we get it back soon and don't lose the Senate any time in the near future, if only because it does, as you say, put some of the responsibility for what happens on them.

I do agree that he has to stay on message a little more, but I also think that there needs to be be more focus from everyone else. After all, he's not going to be the main bomb thrower in all of this. It'd help if we could have some Democrats capable of repeating our talking points as easily as Republicans repeat theirs.

By the way, have you read The Promise by Jonathon Alter? I'm making my way through it. There's a lot of interesting information in it. In particular, I learned that not only did Specter, Snowe, and Collins want to work with the administration on the stimulus. Supposedly, Murkowski, Voinovich, and Martinez wanted to do the same, but McConnell made it clear that wasn't going to fly. If that's the case, then I'm not sure who I am more pissed at: McConnell, for being all kinds of a douche; the Republicans that were too scared of their base; or Obama and the Democrats, who didn't shout this fact from the roof tops.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
What was even more galling
was that Murkowski got teabagged anyway (and won), and Voinovich and Martinez never had any plans to run again.

I understand why. I come from a conservative background, right wing family and friends and I was raised, as were they, to believe that Democrats and liberals are enemies of the state. Like not just people with wrong opinions, but literally my enemy and I should treat them as I would treat some Soviet spy or Nazi war criminal. They weren't the loyal opposition, they were the enemy. It was like they were living in a civil war. My grandmother used to call Ted Kennedy "Treason Ted." My dad and my uncle would shoot their guns at our ranch in New Hampshire, using Jane Fonda, Michael Dukakis and Walter Mondale pictures as targets.

After I voted for Kerry, no one except for my mom and my siblings would talk to me for months.

It's that bad. They were very clear from day one that the country should burn before Obama and Pelosi are allowed to succeed.  


[ Parent ]
Oh
yes. One of my friends really hated Obama and Democrats in general. I remember in Middle School I'd tweak him by screaming "Go Democrats!" and he'd punch me in the shoulder. He really went off the rails during high school when the day after Obama was elected he went off on a right wing diatribe filled with the usual talking points and said if Obama was reelected in 2012 the world would end. Never mind election day is in November and the Mayan calender ends on December 21st, same day as my birthday.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I don't doubt
that there are a lot of people like that, but as you said, and as I fully agree with, some of those guys weren't going to run again. What did they think was going to happen to them if they worked with the Democrats? Were they going to be exiled to some small island? Neither of them are as rich as Kerry or Kohl, but they aren't exactly paupers, either.

It'd be interesting to see if Murkowski is a "aye" on any future stimulus plans. After all, what does she have to lose now?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Reid won't bring it up for a vote
See here.

So if that's the case, and the Republicans in the Senate don't get to vote on an amendment to something else that repeals the health law, that will keep the debate on full repeal to a low simmer, no?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
if reid did bring it up for a vote
do you think it would pass?  safe to say that the two no votes in reconciliation still in office, pryor and nelson, would remain no's.  that drops it to 51.  manchin would probably be a no, bringing it to 50.  Coons and Blumiere would almost certainly be yes votes, keeping it at 50.  Is there anyone who voted for the bill in reconciliation, but not now?

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Simply, no, it would not pass. n/t


"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
House votes to repeal HCR 245-189.
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/201...

Boren, McIntyre and Ross persona non grata.


Meh
McIntyre sorta rubs me the wrong way, but that's the best you're gonna get out of Southern Arkansas and Eastern Oklahoma.

I think it's more important Dems held the votes of people like Shuler, Altmire, Matheson, Kissell, Chandler, Rahall. etc.  


[ Parent ]
Agreed
Impressed with Democratic unity here. And challengers can now run ads against Republican incumbents for voting to remove all the good stuff people like.

[ Parent ]
BINGO!
And I love that they have read Boehner and Cantor giving examples for their "replace" portion of the strategy.  Except, you'll never get to vote on that stuff because you won't ever repeal the bill in the first place.  There really isnt anyway they can spin this into a way where they wont get hit with a barrage of ads saying they voted for a slew of horrible health insurance practices that we already got rid of.  Hell, that's what makes it even more damning.

[ Parent ]
Well
They are running on a "fix the bill" platform, then repeal it. They know repealing it might trigger a backlash with liberals.  

[ Parent ]
Gary Ackerman made the case today
during a telephone press conference, where he said "We want to fix the bill, because legislation like this isn't perfect, never is, but we need to build on it, not destroy it."

He said "America needs builders, not destroyers. Like Harry Truman once said 'any jackass can knock down a barn'" (something like that)

Interesting about Ackerman, another reporter asked him why he didn't have a press conference last year to discuss the bill when it was passed.

He said he did, only two newspapers called then. today, 12 did.

Food for thought.


[ Parent ]
Kos has a couple good statements up
I especially like the Crowley angle.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyo...


[ Parent ]
Rahall
Do not hate on Rahall. He is one of four remaining Dems (out of an original 15) who voted for all four of TARP, the stimulus, financial regulation, and health reform despite being in a district that favors Republicans.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
Who are the other three?
Is Giffords one?  

[ Parent ]
correct
See if you can guess the other two. Both defeated incumbent Republicans in 2006, and both barely held their seats in 2010. One is in the west, the other in the midwest.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
Jerry McNerney and Joe Donnelly?
Donnelly's seat isn't really Republican-leaning though, Obama won it pretty decisively.  

[ Parent ]
It
was drawn for a Democrat and is certainly friendly but Republicans can and have won here before. Donnelly was very lucky to hang on.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
ding ding ding
Donnelly's district has a PVI of R+2. It's changed hands a few times. Dem Tim Roemer had it before it fell into Republican hands. McNerney's was originally drawn to protect Richard Pombo and is listed at R+1 but that whole area has been going blue pretty fast.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
How could it by R+2 when Obama won it by 9?


[ Parent ]
Bush won it by 15 in 2004
The PVI is an average of the 04 and 08 results, and Indiana had a massive Democratic swing in 2008. If Obama wins the district again in 2012, the PVI will become a D+.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
And also importantly to note about PVI's
The average is a result of the country's vote as a whole versus numbers within the district.  So if you combined the PVI's of the country, it'd be 0, no matter the vote margin of the last election.  If in 2012 Obama won by 7% again, then a district that voted for the Democrats by 7% in the past two elections would have a PVI of D+0, which doesn't do much to show that no, the Democrats are winning this district by a somewhat comfy margin consistently.

So by reading a PVI, you need to read it as the district is ___% more D/R than the country as a whole when averaging the last two elections.

PVI is a number that in many cases doesn't tell you anything about a district unless you know enough about the district and any wild swings it may have had.  IN-2 is a perfect example of this, R+2, but Obama won it by a slightly bigger margin than his nation-wide vote while Bush won it five times as much as his nationwide vote margin.  But just by looking at R+2, you'd assume, with knowing the formula, that Bush probably won it by maybe a 3%-4% spread while Obama won it by about an equal margin.  Very close but decisive nonetheless.


[ Parent ]
Andrew - thanks
This is a very good explanation of PVI, IMHO.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah
she is. Donnelly and McCrery (SP) are as well I believe.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I
am pitiful at names. Just pitiful.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Well
Rahall sure isn't a surprise. He voted for it and didn't he include it in an ad or am I thinking of someone else? I know he voted for it at least and it would not really make sense to then vote to repeal. I'm happily surprised of the result. Bravo to Matheson, that took guts. McIntyre is the only surprise. Though it is not really that surprising.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I bet this is the last time the health care bill comes up in Congress
I don't think Republicans are even that enthusiastic. They figured they'd hold this vote to impress the Tea party folks. It won't be an issue again until the presidential campaign heats up.  

[ Parent ]
The State of the Union
is on January 25. It's January 19. As others have pointed out, if they were looking for a fight, they would have done this in a more prominent fashion closer to the State of the Union. This seems like the ultimate empty gesture.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
You
know if the Republicans are really aggressive, they could attach a HCR repeal amendment to every damn bill that passes the house. Anyone think they would do it? Though I think Boehner wouldn't try a stunt like that since any bill passed by the house containing a HCR repeal amendment wouldn't see a day of light in the senate or hit Obama's veto pen. But you never know....

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
It's also for
all the big corporate donors.  Gotta prove your commitment.

[ Parent ]
Boren and Ross make sense
Both are going to be representing as conservative or more conservative districts for the forseeable future.

What doesn't make sense is McIntyre. McIntyre might have just lost a Dem primary to Kissell (if the NC legislature does what I think it will and draws a 4th Dem district in the South Central part of the state.)

Also, Matheson. Why on earth would he vote no? That seems like a stupid move to me. I guess this means there's no reason for the UT legislature to go easy on him in this redistricting cycle.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
I think he expects
to have a Salt Lake County district in 2012, so he can be more like a Democrat.

He survived 2010, he can survive anything now.  


[ Parent ]
But this
probably makes the UT Legislature more likely to give him an even tougher district. This is kind of a chink in his armor and might be seen as a good opportunity for 4-0.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Then so be it
I think he sees this one of two years, either A.) they'll put me in a safe district so they can have 3 safe GOP ones or B.) They'll draw me out and I'm fucked anyway and I'll run for Senate with Obama on top of the ticket and Hatch tea bagged.


[ Parent ]
Also a strong possibility.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Not necessarily...
He can just argue his constituents wanted him to work on improving the existing law rather than repealing it without a plan for replacing it and addressing the problems of our healthcare system, etc. It's not like he voted for federal funding of abortion clinics or something.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
That can work in a R+5 district
... in a R+18 district (probably about what he'll be running in next time) I'm not so sure. Anything that could make him acutely seen as being tied to national Democrats is IMHO a slip, and not a good thing when the terrain is as steep as that which Matheson is climbing. The ad practically writes itself:

"Congressman Matheson endorsed Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama's Healthcare Plan even after Utahns told him they wanted it repealed. Tell Matheson to stop standing with the national liberal special interests and start standing up for Utah."

That ad probably took down a dozen Dems in conservative districts this year, and I see no reason why they won't start bludgeoning him over the head with it endlessly in 2012.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
The
problem was Democrats who voted against the trifecta (stimulus, cap & trade, HCR) went down anyway. So perhaps Jim Matherson thinks its a damn if you do, damn if you don't situation on health care.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Matheson
also had a bit of trouble at the convention/in the primary last year. He may be worried that he might not make it to a general election if he voted for repeal.

[ Parent ]
Because no one cares
2 years is a lifetime in politics and no one really cares about a bill that wasn''t going to pass anyway.

It's a fairly safe vote. That's why the Dems could maintain good party unity.
No one will care two years from now about this vote on repealing the EVUL LIEBRAL DEATH PANELS!!!!! health care bill.

And I think you grossly overstate the impact of those commercials and understate the impact of the recession on the 2010 elections.


[ Parent ]
New position in leadership and redistricting come to mind...
If Republicans crack Salt Lake City, he might be out of a job (or he might just figure his name ID and personal likability are enough to keep him in office no matter what the Republicans do to him). If they draw a 3-1 map just to avoid the headache of dealing with potentially competitive races and a resurgent center-right Utah Democratic Party every cycle, he's golden anyway.

He also has that job in leadership, and Reps. Pelosi and Hoyer may be exerting some pressure on him to behave as such on major policy items.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
My fantasy on a Utah dummymander
In my dreams, the Republicans make as much of a hardcore liberal district (SLC proper + the bluer suburban-ish areas + maybe Park City) as can be made in Utah that's around an even PVI or even D+.

Matheson decides he'd be primaried and decides to run for one of the other "safe" Republican districts (whichever one contains most of his former territory) and pulls out a win where he isn't supposed to win--again. Then we get one Blue Dog and one liberal-ish Democrat ... from Utah.

Sigh. A boy can dream...  Of course, having him run statewide and crush Chaffetz would be pretty awesome, too.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
!!!
Wow!  That is my new favorite dummymander!

[ Parent ]
Ross
Why isn't he ever talked about as a party switcher? I know people always bring up Boren, but he is unlikely b/c of his family history. Why wouldn't Ross?  

[ Parent ]
Because party-switchers are doomed in primaries in the Age of Tea.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Because Ross is a conservative Democrat.
Because until 2010, there was no Republican Party of Arkansas with the exception of John Boozman. (The AR State Legislature has been Democratic since pre-20th century if I believe correctly) They have not lost the Attorney General's office since pre-1937. Out of the last 145 years, the Democrats have held the governor's office 120 of them. Only two Republican Senators have been elected since Reconstruction, and none of them have been reelected. (yet). There was no party strength for Ross.

And it is well known that he will run for governor in 2014.  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


[ Parent ]
or McIntyre
I think if McIntyre sees a path to win a R primary he'd probably jump. NC is going to be a killing-field for Dems in 2012, and he'd probably be able to draw his own district if he switched parties. Otherwise this vote doesn't make much sense - he might find himself in a primary with Kissell in a D+7 district where this vote is a major liability.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Those terms
"Killing field" are too strong when only a few are likely going down because of redistricting.  Also, there's likely going to be many issues with proposed maps.

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[ Parent ]
Close to 50% of NC Democrats are going to be drawn out of their districts
I don't see them going for anything less than 9-4 (with 3 VRA districts). And that's the highest ratio percentage-wise for any delegation save for IL Rs.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Yes, they will aim for 9-4
but Shuler may be the one exception.  He won in an R+6 district in 2010 of all years.  If they made it R+8 or 9 (which is likely), it still isn't enough to make him lose.  A 9-4 map doesn't guarantee 9-4.

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[ Parent ]
Try R+12
That's what you get if you chop out Asheville via 2 narrow connections to NC-5 and NC-10 (which each get half, hurting both McHenry and Foxx by negligible amount.) Not impossible to hold, but it'll be very hard for Shuler.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Another issue
The panhandle has always had its own district and there may be some discord about the idea from state legislators there.  Also, you can't just give Asheville away.  That city is the biggest in the panhandle and it continues to grow strongly.  Finally, there may be objections from McHenry and Foxx over getting this area.

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[ Parent ]
I'll admit
that I'm very weak when it comes to redistricting, so if I am asking something stupid, forgive me. But I wonder, how long will the map last if they really try to kill the Democrats' chances of winning anything but three districts? Just a few cycles, or for many years barring something unexpected--and why? Are there any favorable trends happening around the state besides those in the Research Triangle?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I'll admit that
I'm pretty thin-skinned.  When I get contradicted, I get defensive and fight back.

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[ Parent ]
Huh?
Was that response meant for me?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
No, to him.
I sound overly defensive in the number of comments I have left just because of one conjecture.

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[ Parent ]
Sometimes I'll continue an argument
beyond what seems appropriate, because I'm

1) learning something new
2) finding myself defining or redefining my thoughts on a subject
3) testing my own fortitude

But it's also important to know when to walk away.

For example, don't know if you observed my discussion with user abgin w/r/t OR redistricting, but I found my beliefs shifting somewhat on how far I'd be willing to go to to gerrymander -- and the importance of keeping districts associated with some consistent community of interest.

I often answer posters like users conspiracy, markhanna, and DCCyclone, even when I don't agree with them, as their posts are --always-- informative. The depth of their knowledge has helped me understand how the USA really works.

I've participated in the past on forums where the majority of posters are conservative, in part to better understand the opposition, in part to better understand where I personally am willing to fight for principles. Success in such depends on my abilities to discuss without insults -- and without responding to insults -- or even any form of trash talk.  


[ Parent ]
The area just east of the Panhandle
is absurdly Republican. Frankly it's hard to keep the McCain percentages of those districts below 60 (which is about where I draw the "wasted R votes" line in NC). Foxx and McHenry still have about R+10-R+12 districts under my map.

I'll post it soon. I was wondering what map I should try next, so I think I'll do NC.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
You don't have to post it.
I would like to hear from someone with insider knowledge on this matter.  All we have is conjecture.

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[ Parent ]
Post another.


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[ Parent ]
No, try R+9
That's what the maps I have seen show.

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[ Parent ]
They can
avoid sticky situations and draw 8 safe GOP seats and leave 5 for the Dems (Shuler's district may likely go GOP when he retires or if he tries to run for higher office).  Essentially, that leaves 9-4 with Shuler's district being the 9th one in the end (when he leaves that seat to retire or run).  They also need to shore up Ellmers, who would be VERY vulnerable if they left the district anything like the way it is.

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[ Parent ]
Ellmers
can be shored up easily, especially if you give a Dem district to McIntyre/Kissel. I think she has a R+11 district in my map.

I don't think trying to get Shuler to retire is a wise bet. He's liable to want to stick around in the House as the unofficial chairman of the Blue Dogs. And I think it won't be too long before he gets entrenched enough to win a R+20 district (like Gene Taylor, Chet Edwards, and Ike Skelton did until this year). And once that happens, there's pretty much no getting rid of him save for another mammoth wave.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
He might already be.
If he survived this year, who knows.

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[ Parent ]
My point is they've got to try
because 2012 is probably their last best chance for a while.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
And I'm sorry
if I sound thin-skinned, I just get this way sometimes.  Please forgive me.  And you're right that they would try to weaken him.  but heck, it wouldn't be the end of the world if he's defeated.  He's not some great hero who deserves much better.

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[ Parent ]
How is his district changing so that it becomes
so dramatically Republican?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
In a word, Asheville
The Dem votes in the 11th are concentrated dramatically in Central and Southern Buncombe (sp?) County. The rest of the district is pretty heavily McCain territory, aside from some rural Smoky Mountain precincts that are kind of swingy.

@LookingOver - don't sweat it...it's politics. People have profound disagreements and can get riled up. And part of the fun of sites like this (for me at least) is defending your reasoning against people who don't always agree.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
Sometimes the competitive spirit helps me learn more, n/t


[ Parent ]
So, it's
likely, in your mind, that the legislature simply takes Asheville out of the district, or chops it up in some way so as to make it ineffective for the Democrats? If that doesn't happen, will the growth in and around Asheville turn it more Democratic over time?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
@BJ
I just got the thought you might have meant Ellmers instead - what I did for her is to put the minority-heavy (and Dem-heavy) precincts of Fayetteville and along I-95 into a Dem vote sink, and then draw her a compact Fayetteville-to-Raleigh-suburbs district centered on Harnett county. The current 2nd is a pretty masterful Dem gerrymander - the R votes are largely canceled out by a 75% D section of Wake, some black rural votes, and part of Fayetteville.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
3/7ths will be the attempt.


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[ Parent ]
3
is hardly a "killing field."  Now, if it were 5 or maybe 4, that would be an apt metaphor.

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[ Parent ]
Conventional wisdom w/r/t D to R switchers
They won't survive an R primary -- and "guarantees" from R party leaders in a state / district mean nothing, given the suspicions of the Tea party faction.

[ Parent ]
Hence my caveat "if he thought he could survive"
I don't think he'd do it. But that makes this vote all the more puzzling because, up until now, I thought he was going to be one of the 4 preserved by redistricting.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Now I see this parallel discussion on RRH
[ Parent ]
I wouldn't be surprised
if that happens a year from now.  There was no serious Republican presence in his district a year ago.  But the state legislature looks inevitable to flip in '12.  It's a poor state and most of the local establishments and patronage/spoils system are a safe bet to flip with it.  Ross is no fool and has probably prepared for it.

Louisiana is one state Senate special election and one state Senator party switch from Republican trifecta, btw.  I give it a month.  Conservative Democrat power is just evaporating away before our eyes.


[ Parent ]
I doubt that
it would be inevitable.  2010 was a bad year and Dems in AR vote like nonpartisans.  Also, the few statewide state gov. offices won by the GOP were won by small single-digits.  I think in 2012 the margins in the state leg. stay the same.

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[ Parent ]
I can't seem to find the link
to a column with an interview of some party-switching state legislators in iirc Georgia.  In short, they say that voters in their districts transferred their beliefs about the national Parties and Parties in federal government downticket to the state parties and their races (and others).  I don't believe that rural Georgia and rural Arkansas were terribly different in this this election.

This short piece is as close as I got-
http://www.gpb.org/news/2010/1...

"If the speaker had made me promises, I would have run because I know so much of that is beyond the control of the speaker," Black says. "It's hard to get people to disassociate Washington with those of us here on the state level and the people down here on the local level."

It would be nice if it were all a temporary, one-time phenomenon.  But I doubt it.


[ Parent ]
Generally agreed.
AR and LA have just been laggards compared to the rest of the south when it comes to the destruction of the old dixiecrat base.  But they're following the same trajectory that states like South Carolina, Georgia, and Texas followed.  

West Virginia seems headed in the same direction as well, although the transition there is probably going to take the better part of a generation yet.  


[ Parent ]
WV is a special case.
In the elections in 2010, the House went from 71-29 to 65-35 (which is a low for the decade), but the Senate went from 26-8 to 27-7.

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[ Parent ]
That seems doubtful
What happened in 2010 is far from a trend.

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[ Parent ]
I also
have to wonder how meaningful the switches end up being, aside from obviously partisan purposes like redistricting. While I wouldn't be surprised if the Democrats that have been in power in the legislatures in some of these southern states are more liberal than the state as a whole, are they really that much more liberal? In other words, is there going to be a huge difference between a conservative Democrat and a Republican in the state house in Alabama or Mississippi when it comes to most things?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
For clarity
I was referring to AR.

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[ Parent ]
Oh, I know, and I agree.
I was just asking a question I've thought about because it seemed like a good time to ask.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Part of me is impressed
that we only lost 3, two of whom are arguably the biggest a-holes in the caucus.

Part of me really has to ask: why can Dems only keep it together like this when we're in the minority?

On the other hand, with the Blue Dogs essentially whipped (except for the 2 sore losers above, plus McIntyre who I think is just scared after Etheridge's fluke loss), maybe we can manage this kind of unity as a habit from now on? We can only hope.  


[ Parent ]
Well,

the liberal wing of the Party has prevailed, the conservative wing is in last stages preceding its extinction.

The conservative wing's demise will end the ideological schism and 40+ years of remarkably hostile competing for control which was the curse of the Democratic Party during that period.  So yes, it should be an increasingly united Party.


[ Parent ]
Let me catch us up on the Photo Id bill along with the constitutional mayhem that's about to ensue
In MN, the only statewide ballot question is a constitutional amendment, and in order to trigger one, you need a majority in both chambers of the legislature and that's it.  Since the GOP now control both for the first time since 1971, they are going to use that as a means to legislate the divisive stuff.

First, here is the editorial from Star Tribune today, introducing me to two new amendments they plan to do.  The two mentioned in the editorial are to create term-limits to 12 years in the house and 14 in the senate, and also to make Minnesota a right to work state.

On top of those two, they will almost assuredly have the Photo ID bill as mentioned in the digest, and of course a gay marriage amendment.  Plus, plenty of talk of a personhood amendment stating that a fetus is a person could make it.  That's five highly controversial amendments, added to our constitution of all things, when in the past 14 years we have only had seven total.

Now, here is the good news.  I've been doing my homework already on the subject of gay marriage amendments and I discovered a giant nugget of awesome from South Dakota of all places.  In 2006, they had the abortion ballot question, gay marriage, and medical marijuana.  The gay marriage amendment passed by a mere 4%, which is the smallest margin any state has managed in the country*.  South Dakota having that title, wtf?  Could having multiple amendments like this make it easier to create a coalition of no?  The medical marijuana bill also failed while banning abortion was disapproved of by double digits.  Translating that to an MN electorate makes me excited for what we can pull off.

*WA approved in 2009 an "everything but marriage" bill and AZ defeated an anti-same sex marriage amendment in 2006.  It was deemed too severe because it included all partnerships but two years later, a marriage only amendment passed overwhelmingly.  (Too severe is the general consensus, but SSP has taught me that Hispanic turn-out could have been the biggest factor.)


MO-6
Just for giggles, I drew a map that eliminates Graves. It would really be interesting - it's a map that could conceivably be anything from 4-4 to 7-1 Republican in the most Dem and most Rep friendly situations, respectively.

MO-1: Basically the same. Expands a little to the South in both STL City and County. Safe D.
MO-2: Pretty similar. pushes a little south and west. Safe R.
MO-3. Expands west and takes in the Carnahans' ancestral home in Rolla. Probably a PVI of EVEN and a Toss-up.
MO-4. Pulls in closer to KC and takes the more suburban Eastern parts of MO-5. More Dem, but still Likely to Safe R.
MO-5. Takes in NW MO, including St. Joseph. Probably D+3, which is something Cleaver could lose but would favor a Dem in a neutral situation. Leans D.
MO-6. The old MO-9, with a little expansion to the West. Safe R.
MO-7. Almost identical. Safe R.
MO-8. Expands a little North and West. Safe R.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


OR....
Alternatively instead of openly merging the 5th & 6th you could instead crack Jackson county by putting Indepence into the 6th and merging KC with Hartzler's 7th district (basically run the 5th from KC through Lee Summit and then SE into the hinterlands.

This would still allow a redraw of the 3rd to cut Carnahan off at the knees by cutting out STL City and some of the best south STL County precincts and thus moving the balance of power away from Carnahan's base and into the formerly Blue union areas of Jefferson county which are increasingly GOP friendly.

Likely doesn't matter since Nixon would veto such a plan and the AA state reps who have promised their vote to protect Clay would not be willing to see Cleaver thrown under the bus either, they seem to have no problem with Carnahan getting whacked though....

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
A few thoughts...
First, I'd be thrilled if Rep. Wu finally retires. I used to live in his district, and several members of my extended family (including my parents, actually) still do. He is a disappointing congressman prone to bizarre behavior. Suzanne Bonamici, a state senator from Beaverton, would be my ideal choice to succeed her; I'm acquainted with her family and she's a very, very sharp person and a great communicator. She would probably get some establishment backing from the likes of Commissioner Avakian; she was his handpicked successor in the Oregon Senate after he was promoted up to statewide office.

Second, I have an inkling that Sen. Sanders might not be a lock for reelection. Vermont is a really liberal state, but I don't know what impression his socialist showboating has made there lately. It'd be nice not to have to worry about it, but I'm concerned that if Auditor Salmon appears remotely viable, someone might step up on the Democratic side as a liberal alternative to Sanders, potentially splitting the vote. The state might be liberal enough that it won't matter, but I'm going to keep my eye on that race.

Third, I don't expect Democrats have a realistic shot at MO-06 even if Rep. Graves leaves the seat vacant; they're going to be concerned with shoring up MO-05 for Rep. Cleaver, which will probably soak up a lot of Democratic precincts in Greater Kansas City from Graves's district.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


Don't worry about Sanders.
Seriously, I spent more of my life to date in VT than in any other state. When he first started running statewide, Sanders had a few close calls. He actually lost his first race for VT-AL to Peter Smith back in 1988, before beating Smith narrowly in 1990. Even so, most of the rural areas hated him at first. It took a few cycles before he proved himself to downstate and started running up huge totals.

As for the Dem situation, don't worry about that, either. In the old days, a Dem would always run against Sanders and always come in third. Sometime in the mid nineties they stopped doing that. In 2006, when he ran for Senator, the Dems actually nominated him as their candidate, which he then refused - it was a big agreed-upon show between Bernie and the Dems. The point is that nowadays, VT Dems have pretty much decided that Sanders is better at campaigning and just going to beat the Dem anyway, so they pretty much treat him as the de facto Democrat and move on.

Sanders is hugely popular, and he's worked hard to earn it. I wouldn't really call what he does "showboating". That's what I call Alan Grayson and to a lesser extent Dennis Kucinich. Sanders is widely perceived back home as doing the peoples' business. He does town halls around the state on a fairly regular basis and really tries to address a lot of constituent issues. He'll always be perceived as a Burlington liberal and will always have his detractors, but for the most part I really don't think that most of what you worry about will come to pass in this day and age.  


[ Parent ]
If there's any chance of Sanders losing
in the state that gave Obama his best percentage outside of DC and HI, then the left might as well just give up and move to Canada.

[ Parent ]
All the accounts of Wu's behavior

and actions of the people he worked with suggest that there's some real psychiatric disorder involved, unfortunately.  

[ Parent ]
I second
notanother in putting your fears to rest for Sanders; the Dems will likely do the same thing as in '06 to be sure nobody steals their ballot line to undercut Sanders.  

I'm a lifelong VTer, and assure you that Sanders can take this guy in a walk.  Salmon has no campaigning ability, and will just showcase even more of his crazy with this race.  Sanders is a populist rabblerouser, but his sincerity and humility have made him an institution at this point.  With a new and expanding national following/fund-raising base to boot, he's staying put for as long as he wants to.


[ Parent ]
Very glad to hear it.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
NY-13
Here's the spreadsheet mentioned in the silive article passed out at the club meetings.  He'll be attending every Democratic club meeting (there are around six on Staten Island).  I assume he'll do the same in Brooklyn.

Probably of most interest to those outside of NYC is the second sheet with the differences between "droppers" (those who voted for Obama but didn't vote this election) and "switchers" who voted for Obama but voted for Republicans this time around.

NY-13, Democrat. Blog @ http://infinitefunction.wordpr...


McMahon can probably beat Grimm again in 2012
The district will look different, be much bigger, include more of Brooklyn, possibly Manhattan

[ Parent ]
To the contrary . . .
NY-13 has actually gained population relative to the rest of the state and will need to shrink geographically.  That means the legislature will cut parts of Brooklyn (the more Democratic part of the seat) out of the district.  

[ Parent ]
By 2009 Estimates
NY-13 would have to gain some population but not much. That was an estimate though and the margin of error does come close to the 719,000 required for New York.

[ Parent ]
Sam Graves
I always knew Graves was going to run for Senate soon, either in 2008 or 2012. His ego practically makes him destined for it.

It's hard to predict how Graves would do in the primary. He voted against TARP but is an avid earmarker. But the teabaggers couldn't stop Roy Blunt from getting the nomination, and he was the GOP whip was responsible for TARP getting lots of GOP votes, so I'm not sure how much of a factor they would be. He's definitely an establishment-type candidate, but he may not have the state GOP on his side, even if he gets national support, as there have been rifts between them in the past. I think Steelman could stay to his right and lock up enough activist and establishment support to stay ahead. Maybe he'll seal the deal with some more racist and homophobic ads about "San Francisco values."

I was born and raised in the 6th district and went to college there, but now live in the 5th. It's a weird mix of vast, rural farming areas and small towns, St. Joseph, a state university town, and the more conservative parts of Kansas City and its suburbs. Democrats have done fairly well in St. Joe, and Maryville is a college town, but it never has put out enough Dem votes to make much of an impact. So this really isn't a district Dems should expect to be all that competitive. Plus, with redistricting and the loss of a seat in MO, I'm guessing the GOP will try to make both the 5th and 6th redder by pushing the more conservative areas of northern KC from the 6th into the 5th.


They can't do a thing to hurt Rep. Cleaver
They need African American legislators to be on board with them if they want a chance at overriding a veto, and that bloc has signaled their top priorities are giving Rep. Clay a safe VRA-compliant seat and shoring up Rep. Cleaver.

The GOP will probably target Rep. Carnahan, and the Democrats will probably give as little ground as possible; I'm guessing a fair fight district drawing Carnahan and Rep. Emerson together will emerge.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
GOP won't settle for a toss up
Why would the GOP shore up Cleaver and only get a toss up district in return, that's their worst case scenario. They might as well let the courts draw up the map.

[ Parent ]
Here's why...
Because the courts will draw compact districts, and that means either Rep. Akin's ass is on the line, two Republican incumbents get thrown together, or both.

I tend to think a Mississippi River district combining Reps. Carnahan and Emerson will tilt in Emerson's favor; I don't know if it would be as dramatic as R+5, but I can see it being R+3 or R+4.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
I don't see it
I will say that I'm no expert on redistricting but Adkins won by 38% last election. I can't see a rewrite of his district putting him in that much harm. Now I'm assuming that Clay's district is a VRA. He has to gain a lot of population in order to reach 751,000. Ankins district is 3% black while Carnahan's is almost 10%. It would seem to me that the court would go down and take the northern part of MO-3. After that I can't see how a district would be written that would not favor a Republican.

[ Parent ]
Potentially, it would
But there's a reason Rep. Akin hasn't faced a serious challenger in a while. It's not that his district is outrageously Republican, although it definitely favors the GOP. It's that he wields clout in Washington. He can land defense contracts for Missouri using his chairmanship. Neither Republicans nor Democrats want to risk losing him.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
I'm thinking something similar
with the caveat that it won't be a toss-up district. It'll be a district that Carnahan can win in a best-case scenario, but where Emerson will have a distinct advantage; i.e. mostly Emerson's district with a small tendrill into STL, and probably a R+5 PVI (with that number likely to increase through the decade.) That will probably be enough to either A)satisfy Nixon, or more likely B)convince a few Dems to jump ship and support an override. There are a few Democrats from the Mississippi Valley corridor - they might support it knowing they might be able to take on (or succeed) Emerson in a R-leaning, but D-winnable district.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
On a somewhat related note,
what happend with MO-09 in 2008? Was it targeted since the incumbent retired? If not, how did the guy end up getting so close? And if so, is there any particular reason he fell short? Also, is there any chance we'd have to take this district in whatever form it ends up in 2012?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
As I remember it...
It was a vacancy (Kenny Hulshof held the seat before), and the race was generic Republican Luetkemeyer* versus Judy Baker, a rather strong Democratic candidate who gathered a fair amount of cross-party support. Even though the main congressional race talked about was Barnes versus Graves in MO-6, I always thought that the MO-9 race had a greater potential for an upset.

*Speaking of which, can someone from Missouri tell me if Luetkemeyer is still just as anonymous as before? He's come across that way to me.


[ Parent ]
More good news about Giffords.
She can stand with aid and has looked out the window.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41...

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None of this surprises me now.
This woman is a fighter!

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Healthcare Repeal
Can someone find out who the three Democrats were that voted for repeal, today?  That's a really good number, actually, though it's really just an indicator of how many Dems got swept out.

Boren, McIntyre and Ross.
Not that bad.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
MI-Gov Rick Snyder State of the State
So,

I watched Michigan Governor Rick Snyders State of the State address, tonight, and it was almost impossible to tell whether the guy was a Republican or a Democrat.  I think we may have one of those elusive independent governors everyone hears about but rarely sees.

BTW, the guy is a terrible public speaker with a voice made for print, but everyone knew that when they elected him.


State of the State
From our Democratic Chair here in Michigan:

Mark Brewer, chairman of the Michigan Democratic Party, called the GOP governor's address "a great speech."

"Eighty percent could have been written by a Democrat," Brewer said. "Health care, education, ... the DRIC (Detroit River International Crossing), his urban agenda - they're all things he'll find support for among Democrats. His problem will be with his own party."

Oh, boy, is this governor going to drive the teabaggers up the wall for the next four years. lol


[ Parent ]
I'm pretty sure Gov. Snyder is only a Republican...
Because he has to be something. AFAIK, there isn't really a tradition of independents getting anywhere in Michigan politics, unlike in some states (like Vermont, Maine, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, Minnesota, and Connecticut).

He strikes me as somebody who is legitimately moderate and practically nonpartisan. I don't see him signing off on a radical Republican gerrymander; I don't see him rubber-stamping any sort of Tea Party agenda; I think he's somewhat fiscally conservative on business tax, and otherwise he runs center-right to center-left across a range of issues.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
Better
him than Mike Cox and Pete Hoekstra. But then again do you think Hoekstra's job plan would of involved building turtle fences all over Michigan?

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Good
This strikes me as exactly the kind of governor Michigan needs right now.

[ Parent ]
CA-Sen: Feinstein vs. Whitman?
Seriously, does she have nothing better to do with her money?
She would get whipped worse by Feinstein than Brown.  

[ Parent ]
There are a lot of wealthy
people in our government, but Whitman would make the truly rich like John Kerry and Herb Kohl look like paupers. And while I can't blame her for spending a lot of her money in order to win, after a point, you have to wonder, as others did when she lost, whether her and people like Mike Bloomberg would be better off spending their money on some foundation or research institution devoted to a particular issue. After all, lots of people can run for office, but few can shower money on one particular cause like she or Bloomberg can.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
correction
The Council seat O'Brien is seeking is one of the two at-large seats guaranteed to the minority party, not a district seat.  The primary will nominate five; top two get it.  

OH-Sen
Re-elect Brown 45-30, 45-25 job approval.

Re-elect Obama 48-44, 49-46 job approval.

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x128...


I'm reminded
of the tweets from Dave Wiegel before the election when we'd see good polling on behalf of a senate candidate. DEMS IN DISARRAY!!!!!!! seems appropriate here.

I'm sure you'd agree that if the tax cut deal did nothing else, it made him look more moderate, which is probably being reflected in recent polling. But hopefully, it will be decent stimulus.

Also, you've got to love the fact that they polled people on Boehner crying. That's just funny.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Tax deal
Yep, agree with that. The whole Lame Duck was a big plus together with the clear trend in economic improvement albeit slight. All of this preceeding Tucson and he was clearly edging up well before then whatever the media is saying at the moment. Speaking of which, PPP have his strongest national numbers since 2009 vis a vis Republican challengers. He leads all by at least 5.

http://www.publicpolicypolling...


[ Parent ]
I've
seen more and more people indicate that for the Republicans to really have a chance, they need to find someone new. I'm tempted to agree, because while things aren't great now, they are getting better, or at least aren't getting worse, and so I believe that he'd win re-election today, but perhaps by a smaller margin than last time. Still, who will that person be? I'm struggling to think of any names besides Daniels, Thune, and Pawlenty. Who else is there?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Supporting data
http://hotlineoncall.nationalj...

Here's the most telling statistic from the new NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll: More voters view President Obama as a moderate and fewer view him as a liberal than at any point in his presidency -- or even his presidential campaign.


[ Parent ]
Very heartening.
Very, very encouraging.

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[ Parent ]
I told you guys that Sherrod Brown was well liked in OH...
As long as Obama contests the state, he should be OK.  Mary Taylor potentially is a tough fight 'cos she could eat into his base somewhat, but no one knows anything about her except that she's a pretty face.  The teabaggers love her, so if she starts sounding like Palin or Bachmann on the campaign trail, that would be a big turnoff to Ohio voters.  

We shall have to see, but things are looking pretty good in the Buckeye state.


[ Parent ]
How would
she eat into his base? This is a genuine question, by the way.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Non-controversial (so far) Female candidate from Northeastern Ohio...
That can certainly pull some votes from Brown's base...

[ Parent ]
Ah, so they are
from the same region. That makes sense.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
MO-Sen
McCaskill concerned that St. Louis won't host the DNC convention. But if I were McCaskill, I'd be damn glad that the DNC convention doesn't show up in town. Missouri isn't actually friendly towards Democrats at the moment...

http://www.stltoday.com/news/l...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


Supporting her state
Nothing more. Personally she may well prefer it goes to Charlotte.

[ Parent ]
What, is she concerned
each day will be started off with two tattooed lesbians getting married and then joining in an orgy, followed by some good old fashioned flag burning?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
No room for partial-birth abortions?


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

[ Parent ]
Gallup
Obama hits 51% approval for the first time since last May.

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx


Dingell to run again.
http://detnews.com/article/201...

He loves the job too much to quit.

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Investigations into Rivera expand.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpoi...

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