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PA-St. House: Legislative Chamber to Watch

by: Crisitunity

Fri Jun 04, 2010 at 5:29 PM EDT


Reasonable minds can disagree on what the single most important state legislature this November is going to be, whether it's from the perspective of affecting redistricting or just from good governance, and whether it's from the perspective of trying to pin down a Democratic trifecta or prevent a Republican trifecta. If you'd said it was trying to take over the Texas state House, in order to keep the GOP from having a lock on the Lone Star State and forcing something of a compromise map, I'd say that was a great pick. And if you'd said defending the New York state Senate, that's a great pick too, as controlling the trifecta there going into 2012 will result in a much better congressional map. Holding the Ohio Assembly, picking up the Michigan Senate, or even focusing on California to push those chambers past the 2/3s mark to overcome that state's ridiculous budget requirements; those are all great too.

But, at least for now, I've settled on the Keystone State's House as the key legislative chamber. With the state Senate not in a position to flip away from GOP control this year, and with the distinct likelihood of losing the gubernatorial race (if nothing else, given the state's well-documented eight-year itch), holding the state House is the Dems' last line of defense in the redistricting trifecta, and the best way to make sure that a compromise map is on the table for 2012. Not that the 2002 map worked out that well for the GOP -- it turned out to be something of a dummymander that fell apart when a strong wind blew the other direction -- but we obviously don't want to take the chance that they might get it more right next time.

With three vacancies having been just filled via special elections on Primary Day, the Democrats currently control the House by a 104-97 margin. That's better than the previous 07-08 cycle, where the Dems had a 102-101 edge, but still one where a stiff wind could blow control back in to GOP hands, seeing as how they need to flip only four seats to take control. (You might notice that, at 203 members, this is one of the nation's largest legislative bodies, although they've still got nothing on the New Hampshire House. Constituencies are only about 60,000 residents each, meaning that the races are usually low-dollar affairs dominated by the ground game instead, and by the machines, where they're present.)

With the primaries having wrapped up, we also have the matchups set in place for November. In addition to that generic stiff wind, here's one other way Dems are at a disadvantage this cycle: they have a lot more open seats to defend than do the Republicans. Rather than give you one giant table of every single district, I'm going to break them down by category. Most districts aren't even going to get discussed, seeing as how nearly half of all races -- 39 Democratic seats and 46 Republican seats -- aren't being contested by a major party, and how nearly two-thirds of all seats fall outside what I think of as "swing district" territory, i.e. with a Cook PVI between D+5 and R+5. (If you're wondering how I calculated PVI at this level, Pennsylvania has made available both 2004 and 2008 presidential data for all precincts, so thanks to jeffmd we were able to calculate percentages for all its legislative districts.)

DistrictRep. PVIObama/
McCain %
Kerry/
Bush %
'08 House
D/R %
Location
107Open
(Belfanti)
R+546/5245/54100/0Columbia
Montour
Northumberland
137Open
(Grucela)
R+351/4845/53100/0Northampton
122Open
(McCall)
R+150/4849/5064/36Carbon
48Open
(Solobay)
R+149/4951/49100/0Washington
156Open
(Smith)
D+256/4350/4953/47Chester
114Open
(Wansacz)
D+356/4250/48100/0Lackawanna
Luzerne
Susquehanna
Wyoming
119Open
(Yudichak)
D+556/4255/43100/0Luzerne
77Open
(Conklin)
D+660/3852/4770/30Centre
161Open
(Lentz)
D+657/4155/4455/45Delaware
141Open
(Melio)
D+1364/3563/36100/0Bucks
194Open
(Manderino)
D+2273/2671/2878/22Montgomery
Philadelphia
195Open
(Oliver)
D+4293/792/891/9Philadelphia

We'll discuss Republican open seats below the fold, but there are only six of them, compared with twelve Dem seats. There are two bits of good news, though: two of those GOP open seats are in blue districts, compared with four here in Republican-leaning turf, so there may be some offsetting. And more importantly, three of these R+ seats here are in old-school rural Dem areas where there seems to be a sizable Democratic registration advantage, so similar to the PA-12 special election, a conservative Dem might be able to take advantage of the historic Democratic dominance at the local level even as the areas trend away at the national level.

HD-48 is very much a case in point; in fact, it's in Washington County to the south of Pittsburgh, one of the hearts of PA-12, and its 49/49 split in 2008 and 51/49 split in 2004 very closely mirrors how the 12th (the only Kerry/McCain district in the nation, as you've no doubt heard) as a whole broke down. In HD-48, there were 7,488 votes for the various Dems in the primary, while there were 4,461 Republican votes. In addition, in two seats in northeastern coal country, HD-107 had 5,818 Democratic votes for the various candidates in the primary, while there were 4,088 Republican votes, and HD-122 had 6,166 Dem votes and 3,855 GOP votes. The exception among the four is HD-137, which is a more suburban seat outside of Bethlehem in the Lehigh Valley; this area, like many southeastern suburbs, moved rapidly in the Dems' direction at the presidential level between 04 and 08, but there's still a historic Republican advantage at the county and legislative level. Even here, though, there were 3,847 Dem votes to 3,439 GOP primary votes.

Now let's turn to seats that aren't open, but where a Democrat is sitting in a Republican-leaning district.

DistrictRep. PVIObama/
McCain %
Kerry/
Bush %
'08 House
D/R %
Location
83MirabitoR+1242/5736/6357/42Lycoming
56CasorioR+1237/6241/5960/40Westmoreland
125SeipR+1142/5738/6156/44Berks
Schuylkill
76HannaR+845/5340/6069/31Centre
Clinton
74GeorgeR+844/5341/5863/37Clearfield
10GibbonsR+643/5545/5555/45Beaver
Butler
Lawrence
54PalloneR+544/5546/53100/0Armstrong
Westmoreland
116EachusR+546/5245/54100/0Luzerne
55Petrarca *R+544/5547/52100/0Armstrong
Westmoreland
130KesslerR+449/4943/5656/44Berks
46WhiteR+345/5349/5163/37Allegheny
Beaver
Washington
25MarkosekR+347/5248/52100/0Allegheny
Westmoreland
72Burns *R+347/5048/5253/47Cambria
Somerset
13HoughtonR+351/4844/5548/46Chester
73HaluskaR+248/5048/51100/0Cambria
58HarhaiR+246/5351/49100/0Fayette
Westmoreland
51Mahoney *R+247/5149/5067/0Fayette
33DermodyR+247/5250/4951/49Allegheny
71BarbinR+151/4849/5150/50Cambria
52Kula *R+148/5151/48100/0Fayette
Westmoreland
39LevdanskyR+148/5152/4853/47Allegheny
Washington

These are, I would expect, for the most part conservative Dems who are well suited to their districts in rural areas or Pittsburgh's collar counties. Between that and disparities in party strength in some of these counties, most of them have been easily re-elected in the past (see their 2008 totals) or left unopposed. In fact, note that four of them are unopposed this year; these are the ones with asterisks next to their names. This even goes as far up as R+5, where Joe Petrarca drew a pass. (Before we start patting ourselves on the back too much, there are some even more glaring omissions in terms of Republicans going uncontested in blue seats, which we'll get to later.) Also worth a note, some of the ones who are in swingier districts (like Barbin, Dermody, and Levdansky) were the ones with the really close races in 2008, and may, depending on the quality of their challengers this year, be in more trouble than the Dems in redder districts.

Let's look at one more table of Democrats, this time ones who are in Democratic-leaning districts but who still had close races in 2008 ("close" meaning a less than 10% margin of victory).

DistrictRep. PVIObama/
McCain %
Kerry/
Bush %
'08 House
D/R %
Location
151TaylorD+457/4252/4751/49Montgomery
157DruckerD+457/4252/4851/49Chester
Montgomery
70BradfordD+559/4053/4751/49Montgomery
113MurphyD+1165/3358/4052/48Lackawanna
31SantarsieroD+053/4649/5053/47Bucks
50DeWeeseD+352/4655/4454/46Fayette
Greene
Washington

Note that this is a very different batch of counties than the ones in the R+ districts. Most of these Dems are in Philadelphia's suburbs and were either elected for the first time in either 2008 or 2006, so they're still getting entrenched in counties where, if you look below the presidential toplines, there are still a lot of historic and organizational advantages for the Republicans. These seats will be a big test of whether these counties continue their decade-long demographic-driven march toward the Democrats, or if the national environment reverses that trend. There's also one seat here that doesn't really match: the district of former Speaker Mike Bill DeWeese, in the state's southwestern corner. DeWeese is an old-timer (in office since 1976) who's gotten badly tarred with the Bonusgate brush, which probably hurt his 2008 totals and has probably only made things worse lately. Residents of this district probably got saturated with tons of ads from the next-door WV-01 primary, so they too may be primed to be in the mood to rid themselves of a long-time but shady Rep.

Seats where Democrats are on the offense over the flip...

Crisitunity :: PA-St. House: Legislative Chamber to Watch
Now let's look at the open seats currently held by Republicans.

DistrictRep. PVIObama/
McCain %
Kerry/
Bush %
'08 House
D/R %
Location
164Open
(Civera)
D+1366/3360/390/100Delaware
131Open *
(Beyer)
D+356/4251/4948/52Lehigh
Northampton
128Open
(Rohrer)
R+549/5042/5748/52Berks
41Open
(True)
R+748/5138/610/100Lancaster
199Open
(Gabig)
R+1242/5635/6435/65Cumberland
85Open
(Fairchild)
R+1341/5734/6530/70Snyder
Union
108Open
(Phillips)
R+1638/6131/6823/77Northumberland
Snyder

Obviously, there are two big possibilities here, including a D+13 seat that leaves you to wonder what it was doing in GOP hands in the first place. (The answer: HD-164 has been the seat since 1980 of Mario Civera Jr., the ranking Republican on Appropriations, and it's in Delaware County, which is a historic GOP stronghold that still has a strong local machine even though it's gone blue at the presidential level.) The D+3 seat, HD-131, is in the suburbs of Allentown, and just became open when GOP incumbent Karen Beyer lost her primary. A little further down, Sam Rohrer (who vacated the seat for his long-shot gubernatorial bid) put up tepid numbers in his 2008 re-election, but that may have more to do with his bad fit with his district (which is the nicer suburbs of Reading, typified by John Updike's hometown of Shillington, not prime theo-con turf) than this district's readiness to elect any Democrat.

Here's the list of the Republicans who are sitting in blue districts. And, as promised, it has some races that went uncontested (marked by asterisks) that will have you wanting to pound your head into the desk...

DistrictRep. PVIObama/
McCain %
Kerry/
Bush %
'08 House
D/R %
Location
177Taylor *D+1566/3365/3441/59Philadelphia
18DiGirolamo *D+858/4058/4133/67Bucks
162MiccarelliD+859/4058/4143/57Delaware
163MicozzieD+759/3957/4241/59Delaware
176Scavello *D+762/3853/460/100Monroe
146QuigleyD+559/4052/4847/53Montgomery
150VerebD+558/4153/4743/57Montgomery
61HarperD+457/4352/4844/56Montgomery
152MurtD+355/4453/4740/60Montgomery
Philadelphia
169O'Brien *D+353/4655/440/100Philadelphia
142FarryD+354/4553/4748/52Bucks
172PerzelD+252/4753/4634/66Philadelphia
158RossD+155/4448/520/100Chester
167MilneD+054/4548/5144/56Chester
26HennesseyD+055/4447/5248/52Chester
14MarshallD+050/4852/4841/59Beaver
183Harhart *D+053/4649/500/87Lehigh
Northampton

So... just to recap, Dems failed to put forth a candidate in a D+15 district in Philadelphia (as well as a D+8 district in lower Bucks County and a D+7 one in the Poconos). Granted, this is in NE Philadelphia, the middle-class old-school white-ethnic part of town where there's some residual Republican organizational strength, probably left over from the Frank Rizzo area (as seen not just by Taylor's 59-41 win in 2008 but by the continued presence in the House of his neighbors, former Speakers Mike Dennis O'Brien -- also uncontested this year -- and John Perzel). Still... that free pass is just lame. At any rate, Perzel, even though he might have the least-blue district in Philly, may actually be the most vulnerable GOP incumbent, if only by virtue of being the most public face of the lingering legislative pay raise debacle that left both parties looking bad.

Finally, here is a handful of Republicans who are from Republican-leaning districts who still managed to have close (i.e. less than 10% margin) races in 2008, who weren't already accounted for in the blue-district list.

DistrictRep. PVIObama/
McCain %
Kerry/
Bush %
'08 House
D/R %
Location
15ChristianaR+444/5448/5149/51Beaver
57KriegerR+1040/5841/5848/52Westmoreland
187DayR+747/5140/5948/52Berks
Lehigh
75GablerR+746/5241/5847/53Clearfield
Elk

While I don't presume to know enough about the local dynamics of these dozens of different races to the extent that I can predict outcomes, the disparities in number of open seats, and numbers of Dems in R+ seats vs. numbers of GOPers in D+ seats, suggest that the Republicans will be picking up seats here, although maybe not the net four flips needed to control the House. The real question seems to be how much these races get nationalized, and whether a favorable Republican year in general translates down to districts where there's a historic Dem advantage (in the southwestern collar counties) or where demographics are moving in a Dem-favorable direction even while the local machinery remains in GOP hands (in the southeastern suburbs). The failure by the GOP to successfully nationalize the PA-12 special election is a good portent, but we'll have to watch carefully.

UPDATE: By popular request, here's the entire dataset as a Google Doc.

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Looking at the AP link
I notice one of the Democratic primary candidates for House district 19 is named T. Payne. Did he campaign on autotune or something?

I am hopeful that Onorato will have coattails in Western PA and save seats there.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Excellent Post
However, it's Bill Deweese, not Mike.

Also, you wrote that you calculated PVI for all legislative districts. Any way you guys could post the whole table? Thanks!


Ah, thanks
One big chart would be extremely cumbersome. But let me look into creating a Google Doc for that. Check back later and hopefully I'll have added a link.

[ Parent ]
Thanks
BTW, this post comports with my understanding of the situation. It's tenuous. . .

[ Parent ]
Also, could you give legislative "toplines" for
the Presidential elections in 2004 and 2008. I.e., how many PA-House seats did Kerry win? Obama?

Tks.


[ Parent ]
That's a good question
It looks like in 2008, Obama won 115 districts and McCain won 88, while in 2004, Kerry won 97 and Bush won 106.

As I'm sure you can imagine, though, it's not simply a case of Obama flipping 18 districts, as there was a bunch of Kerry/McCain districts in the southwest offsetting all the Obama/Bush districts in the southeast and south central.


[ Parent ]
tks
The 2004 election reflects the Republican gerrymander and the concentrated nature of Democratic votes. Kerry, after all, won Pennsylvania.  

[ Parent ]
Here's the link
for the Google Doc.

If it isn't displaying properly for you, please let me know and I'll tinker with the settings.


[ Parent ]
Thanks by all the work

Good work and very interesting.

[ Parent ]
Oh my
Legislative races get a bit too deep in the weeds for me. Obviously I hope Democrats do well but don't except me to follow all this in any detail. Yikes! :)

I'd say this "race"
is at least as important as CA or NY Gov, if not more so.  

[ Parent ]
Oh for sure
Just too much info to get my head around.

[ Parent ]
Me too
Which is why this post is so useful.  

[ Parent ]
I finally know where the Poconos are
Have heard about them how many times over my life, no clue where they were

[ Parent ]
Sometimes ya' gotta just specialize
and leave certain types of races for others.

Bless the people who do get into the state legislative weeds for the big states, which will hopefully lead to a more fair redistricting for the next decade.


[ Parent ]
Oh, and the uncontested former Speaker
is Dennis O'Brien, not mike.  

HD-176
I saw you mentioned that there isn't a Democratic candidate in HD-176.  I live there, and let me say that Mario Scavello is about as popular as Jesus here.  The Democrats couldn't field a candidate because no one will run against Scavello.  That D+7 is a bit misleading because most people around split their tickets.

How many districts did Corbett win?
I am thinking about throwing a diary together listing these districts with Corbett's results.  Would be interesting to see what districts went for him since he is on the ballot.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

The worst Republican could do while redistricting PA
The Republicans could gain 2 districts over what they have now.
1. Screw over Critz. Put Cambria County in the Shuster district where he can't possibly win. Put Greene/Fayette in the Tim Murphy district, making it an uncomfortable 47% Obama district, and hope Murphy keeps getting reelected.
2. Screw over Altmire. Take away his western counties and add the rest of Butler and Armstrong. This becomes a ~40% Obama district, too Republican for him to win. This will make Dahlkemper very safe.
3. Shore up Gerlach, the only remaining Republican in the Philly burbs. Make a Murtha-shaped district out of the Republican parts of Bucks, Montgo, Berks, Chester, Delaware. This will be a 53% McCain district, and have a good chance of flipping to the Democrats in the next decade.
4. Combine Kanjorski and Carney into the same district, eliminating 1 Democrat.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

Redistricting
I have spent some time messing with the redistricting application and I have drawn two maps that are insanely gerrymandered for both sides.  First, I have drawn a map that is 14 to 4 Democratic.  Second, I have drawn a map that is 14 to 4 Republican.  

With the 14 to 4 Republican map, I drew 3 Republican districts in the Philadelphia suburbs.  The key is making Schwartz's district go from D+7 to D+15-20.  

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


[ Parent ]
Post them both, please!
I'd love to see the 14R-4D dummymander.

[ Parent ]
I'd like to see them
I think Holden and Carney can get reelected in whatever you give them. Also Dahlkemper already represents almost the most Republicane Erie-based district possible.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

[ Parent ]
Really interesting stuff
Haven't posted in forever (and I think even then it was under a different name). Glad to be back; this stuff is why I love reading SSP multiple times a day.

Can anyone from PA give insight as to whether the partisan breakdown of the two party caucuses is as stark as that on the federal level? I imagine that a decent few of the Republicans from the Philadelphia suburbs vote to the left (as we define it nationally) of some conservative Democrats in central PA and the Pittsburgh suburbs. Obviously, nothing but intuition, and I know that data might be hard to come by, but I'm curious.  

24, SSP Gay Caucus Policy Committee Chair, Western Democrat; CO-05 (home), CA-14 (law school)


Depends on the issue...
On economic issues, the Philly suburban Republicans are arguably more conservative than many of their rural Republican counterparts.  The Democrats out west are not economically conservative to say the least.  The only Democratic Senator to vote against Rendell's budget last year was from the Lehigh Valley, which is generally not a bastion of conservatism.

On social issues, the Democrats outside of metro Philadelphia are generally as conservative as the Republicans if not more so.  The Republicans are hard to describe in terms of social issues in Pennsylvania.  Most outside metro Philadelphia are anti-abortion, but in some areas, the pro-choice politicians are typically Republicans.  Specifically there are a few pro-choice Republicans in the House and Senate from central Pennsylvania.  There are a few here and there in the T too.  

A great example of this odd behavior, in national terms, is Pat Toomey.  He ran to the left of his Democratic opponents in 2 out of the three congressional races he won.  

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


[ Parent ]
Thanks
Though the economic/social breakdown is somewhat expected, I suppose I expected it to be a bit more nuanced. A socially and economically moderate Republican in the Philly burbs, for example.

I'm a bit confused by your Toomey example, though. By what metric(s) do you believe he was "to the left" of his Democratic opponents in those races? I know he was nominally pro-choice, but I've seen data that show him being radically more conservative than most other members of Congress by partisan vote data (as in, getting close to folks like Coburn when he was in the House). Not to say you're wrong, I find Toomey quite interesting, and am wondering your thoughts.  

24, SSP Gay Caucus Policy Committee Chair, Western Democrat; CO-05 (home), CA-14 (law school)


[ Parent ]
Abortion...
Toomey literally has taken every position known to man on abortion as long as it does not involve government funding.  

Specter beat the snot out of him on this in 2004 and some of the pro-life groups actually were informally supporting Specter because Toomey threatened to vote against their earmarks.  Specter based his attack on Toomey saying he was the pro-choice candidate in a number of races including the primary and general elections some years.  This is why if you look at the 2004 primary map, Toomey lost some of the most Republican counties in the T.  In addition, his anointed successor, Charlie Dent, has consistently been one of the most pro-choice members of the Republican caucus.

Toomey is as fiscally conservative as they come, but on cultural issues, he does not give a "rip" to quote Dale Peterson as long as it does not interfere with his economic agenda.  He truly is the Wall Street candidate if one ever existed.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


[ Parent ]
Which is why I think the rise of the "Tea Party" helps GOP in Philly suburbs
I think the Tea Party and the focus on economic issues (taxes, deficits spending and healthcare) helps the GOP in the Philly suburbs. The GOP does better there when the issues in the campaign are not the 3 Gs (Guns, Gays and God).


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[ Parent ]
True enough
Which is why the Dems need to keep the 3Gs in voters minds.  Also, I'm not sure how strong the Tea Party is in suburban Philly.  The Tea Party ideas might be strong (and even then I dont know for sure) but they are tempered by the fact that Sarah Palin is the face of the Tea Party (McCain/Palin was not great in the Philly burbs).

Let's face it, with the move against deficit spending and people wanting tax cuts, no politician is going to offer a "real" balanced plan during the 2010 elections.  What we'll here is a lot of "cut waste in Washington", "provide tax cuts to small biz" and so forth.  Even Democrats can run on that given that most deficits currently can still be traced backwards.  Healthcare isn't even factored into deficits for the current FY.

I also think the War has fallen out of people's minds.  If we start bringing troops home, cutting defense spending as we bring them home, this could be VERY VERY good for Democrats.  Just keeping the war in the news can be political gold for Democrats if Obama starts the tropp withdrawls this summer.

Then again, I'm a guy who thinks if Dems just run aggressive against the past that this election will re-affirmd there majorities in only nomially reduced numbers.


[ Parent ]
Philly suburbs
A tea party presence definitely exists in the Philly suburbs, but it is not like the national groups.  Most of the tea party groups got behind the establishment Republicans like Dent, Gerlach, Corbett, Fitzpatrick and Toomey.

I think the scary thing for the Democrats is not so much the national climate, but the state climate.  The Philly suburbs, which are roughly 25 percent of the state's population, are the source of over 50 percent of the state's revenue.  The state budget is almost $3 billion in the red.  There are going to have to be deep cuts or tax increases.  Either choice is political suicide for the Democrats.  If they vote for tax increases, 10 years worth of gains will be eliminated by one election.  If they vote to cut spending, expect the blue collar and urban elements of the base to revolt.  The Republicans can afford to play this game seeing their rural seats are generally richer than the Democrats rural seats and less dependent on government programs.

Switching to the three Gs will not work either.  Corbett is a law and order type, which plays extremely well in suburban Philly, whose never been a firebrand on the social issues and Toomey really could care less about them.  Switching to the three Gs would be about as effective as it was for Deeds in Virginia.  


23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


[ Parent ]
I disagree
If you tie the Republican candidates to the 3 Gs, its a good situation for Dems.  I agree its harder this time around.

State elections really make sense for people to fuss about amongst the electorate.  Quite simply, nothing happens in PA.  Its been political gridlock for years and will continue as such even if Repubs take over Gov and House, since the house would only be small control by Repub not  ahuge majority.

The state environment to me is just silly.  How people expect anything to get done is beyond me since nothings happened in forever.

The PA state income tax has been increasing and will continue to do so is my guess.  Its not like 3A% is that huge anyways.  I pay more in Philladelphia wage tax than PA state tax.  The state really doesn't control much with property taxes.  And PA state sales taxes can't really be lowered or raised given the gridlock.

So cutting programs will be the campaign issue.  It will never happen, deficits will continue, and so on.  To me, the best policy for Dem's in PA is to force Republicans to name what programs they will cut.  Will it be police (Corbett will not let this go by)?  Will it be education (political suicide)?  Will it be social services, many of which service the eldery in PA's very large senior citizen population (the seniors vote so I doubt it).

I think Dems can really run on making this race about Federal vs State govt.  I know it sounds counter-intutive, but the deficit for the current budgets in PA is big and that factors in ARRA funds from the Feds.  When those are gone in the FY2011-12 fiscal year, the cuts to balance the budget would have to be huge.  I think Dems would be wise to call Repubs bluff and at least make them detail their plans.  

Based some of my conclusions on the following link.  Focused mainly on the 2010-11 budget, especially for details around the social services.

http://www.portal.state.pa.us/...


[ Parent ]
I beg to differ...
I do not know where you live in the suburbs, but the flat out rejection of imposing the 1% local earned income tax in Radnor, Conestoga, Newtown Square and Marple and supporting cuts instead show there is an appetite for cuts in the Philly suburbs.  The fact Radnor laid off 24 teachers instead of introducing the local income tax really should scare the crap out of Democratic candidates, especially the one running for Lentz's seat.

I think we are nearing a critical juncture in terms of Pennsylvania budgetary politics.  The Republicans would be smart to attack the education funding system we have in this state because the different per pupil dollars given to districts.  Suburban and richer rural districts, which are essentially the districts represented by Republicans, receive not even half the state aid per pupil when compared to their poorer rural and urban counterparts, which are typically represented by Democrats.  I have seen a few Republican candidates and representatives already make this argument.  I think the Democrats should fear it because it is extremely hard to defend cutting teachers in your own neighborhood while funding other districts who are not suffering the same pain because they have a larger state safety net.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


[ Parent ]
Cutting spending on war
would indeed be popular, but I don't think it's likely. President Obama seems pretty hell-bent on "winning" in Afghanistan/Pakistan, whatever that would mean. Things are very bad in Afghanistan, and that's one place where there's a continual risk of such a catastrophe - or just an increasing number of American deaths over time - that could really injure Obama's popularity and the Democrats' reelection prospects - probably not so much this November, but the longer this war goes on, the worse for all concerned.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I agree
Sadly, I think the war is good politics for both sides to rile up their bases, and will continue forever....

[ Parent ]
That's not what I said
I think that declaring victory and leaving would be popular, and I don't expect American troops to be in Afghanistan forever. What I do expect is that there will have to be many more American deaths before that war becomes so unpopular that the troops are drawn down and then withdrawn. Either that, or an outright victory by the Taliban, accompanied by large numbers of American POWs - either kept in exchange for various demands, including a total withdrawal, or murdered -  which I think is at least somewhat possible and would destroy the popularity of whomever is President at that point if it ever happened. But what's more likely is for the U.S. Armed Forces to be gradually worn down and then withdraw in a similar fashion to how the Soviets did.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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I agree
on the whole declaring victory and then getting the hell out idea. However, the idea that the Taliban would ever rise up in enough strength to actually take even a sizable percentage of US forces as POWs is ludicrous. The Taliban is fighting an mostly asymmetrical guerrilla war with us right now and will not assemble a standing army type of force. The reason for this is because such a force would be routed in a way that would make the first Iraq war look like an indecisive affair. The Taliban have no air force and, for the most part, lack the means to counter one. For the forces fighting the US in Afghanistan standing up in any numbers would be suicide, and not a Tet Offensive like, "well at least we controlled some ground and got good news coverage for a while" destruction, think more like Cannae.

Also, on a more minor point, since when do the Taliban take American POWs that live for more than a week?

Again, I generally agree that we will get worn down because, unlike in Iraq, there is no real achievable goal that creates a lasting "victory" in Afghanistan. I just do not see the Taliban becoming a credible standing force anytime in the near to mid future.  


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I think there's some possibility
of some big Taliban ambushes. I take your point about air power. Probably the single biggest weapon the Mujahedin had against the Soviets was American Stinger surface-to-air missiles.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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The Taliban do not have a decisive weapon
The difference between the Afghan resistance against the Soviets and the Taliban is that the Taliban do not have the world's biggest arms manufacturer and superpower on their side.  They essentially have some rogue billionaires who can provide cash and some guns, but nothing decisive like Stingers.  Arguably the Taliban would need an integrated air defense network to counter the coalition air forces.  An integrated air defense would not even be a sure bet.  Look at Iraq.  They had an integrated air defense that fell within days.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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The Philly "Fail" isn't so bad
Former Speaker O'Brien became Speaker when he voted with 101 Democrats to take over the House, despite being part of the 102 vote Republican "majority."

John Taylor is a local hero in his district who is safe as long as he runs and then the district flips, BUT, if control of the House came down to it, he might side with O'Brien (depends on which Republican they put up).  Taylor is VERY close to the Philly unions too.

Neither was going to lose their district and by not recruiting serious opposition the Ds don't force either guy to be partisan.

And given that it is very possible we need one or both votes to control the House, this isn't bad strategy.  


Very Important Stuff
Hopefully I'm wrong but I can say though with a fair amount of confidence that the 161st is not going to be an easy hold. The Republicans can really turn their guys out in that area, and the Democratic candidate, Walt Waite, is not a particurally strong candidate. He might be carried in by a huge number of Sestak/Lentz supporters.

progressive, NY-8 (home), PA-7 (college)

164 is up in a Special Election next week
Democrats have no excuse to lose this since Obama won here by two to one. However, Democrats lost two winnable Republican seats in special elections in PA a few weeks ago by 60 point margins. Dems will probably screw this one up too.

In PA, Underlying Issue is Corbetts Strategy to Swing the House
Thank you for your fascinating analysis, but please know that Bill DeWeese is not a "shady" character.

A few facts: Tom Corbett is the Republican candidate for Governor, the former General Counsel of Waste Management, and the current Pennsylvania Attorney General. Bill DeWeese, one of the state's most powerful Democrats, is fighting hard to ensure the massive natural gas exploration in his district is done safely and spearheaded the most stringent mining safety law in American history, among other things.

Although corruption investigations of state office holders are typically handled by the feds, who have a 95 to 99 precent conviction rate, Corbett has embarked on a remarkable strategy to indict his political opponents and, specifically, powerful Democrats like Bill DeWeese, in order to shift legislative power to Republicans.

This sounds like sour grapes, but consider the following. First, take a look at this motion: http://extras.mnginteractive.c...
Second, consider the following:
* In Corbett's political prosecutions, 272 - or 85 percent - of the 322 counts brought to court have been dismissed or ended in "not guilty" verdicts. Corbett won guilty verdicts in only 15 percent of the counts but succeeded in getting Democrats out of power or out of leadership just by charging them.
* Corbett spent three years investigating DeWeese, was forced to exonerate him on Bonusgate, but came up with six unrelated counts.
* Corbett charged that DeWeese had a ghost payroller on staff. This woman (who I know) has more than 100 witnesses ready to testify that she did legislative work on state time.
* Corbett refused to prosecute a close ally. See:
http://blog.pennlive.com/polit...
* Corbett is being sued by his own deputy attorney general for covering up criminal misconduct in his office. See  see http://www.scribd.com/doc/1379...

PA has a wild man with no prosecutorial ethics hailing from one of the biggest polluters in the state and given the keys to the kingdom. And he's wildly misusing his power. The ACLU is now involved. http://www.pennlive.com/midsta...

Democrats nationwide should understand the national implications of Corbett's wild ride to power in one of the nation's most important swing states.

Keep those analyses coming. Thank you!



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