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SSP Daily Digest: 11/22

by: Crisitunity

Mon Nov 22, 2010 at 3:26 PM EST


AK-Sen: A new profile of Sitka mayor Scott McAdams has him sounding unsure about using his newfound celebrity to run statewide again, as he cites the very apparent difficulty of winning statewide as a Democrat in Alaska. In the article is an interesting number that also shows just how well Lisa Murkowski did at getting moderates (and even Dems doing the game-theory thing) to fall in line behind her: Ethan Berkowitz, the Dem candidate in the standard 2-way race for Governor, picked up 96,000 votes, way more than McAdams' 67,000.

MA-Sen: Here's a name that we haven't heard associated with the Senate race, sounding more interested than assumed (well, he's not sounding interested, but "mum" is not not interested). Barney Frank, who skipped the special election and was assumed not interested at the time because of his age and his chairmanship, is saying "ask me later" about challenging Scott Brown. Maybe being in the minority has changed his mind, since he has no gavel to give up anymore.

ME-Sen: If there was any doubt that Olympia Snowe's main problem in 2012 will be in the GOP primary, against a teabagger-to-be-named-later, check this out: she just signed on to an amicus brief challenging the constitutionality of the mandate portion of health care reform. That's, of course, the same bill that she helped vote out of committee (though she voted against it on the floor).

MI-Sen: The GOP field to go against Debbie Stabenow hasn't really started to take shape yet, but here's one potential name that's getting some encouragement within conservative circles to run: soon-to-be-ex-Rep. Peter Hoekstra, who lost the GOP gubernatorial primary. He isn't ruling it out, but is "predisposed to say no."

NE-Sen: While the entry of AG Jon Bruning (who has an exploratory committee) is considered pretty much an inevitability, there's already one Republican formally in the race now: investment adviser Pat Flynn, who sounds like he'll be flying the tea party flag. Flynn got 22% of the vote in the 2008 Senate GOP primary, losing to Mike Johanns.

NM-Sen: If you're waiting on pins and needles to find out whether Jeff Bingaman will run for another Senate term, you'll need to wait a little longer. Bingaman is expected to announce his 2012 plans in March (the usual timetable he's followed for previous re-elections). The article points out he recently raised $400K at a fundraiser, certainly the actions of a man planning another run.

NV-Sen: It would have taken the confluence of a great Harry Reid campaign and a terrible opponent's campaign for Harry Reid to win in a year like this, and it looks like that's what we got. You've all seen the post-mortems about how effective Reid's campaign was, and now here's a nice Politico piece on the amateur-hour efforts from Team Angle, focusing on her campaign manager Terry Campbell, who often seemed unaware of the timing of ad buys or even how much money they had at a given moment. Maybe most telling: the Election Day phone bank shut down at 5 pm (despite polls being open until 7) in order to go set up the victory party. Never fear, though, it sounds like yet more Angle is on tap for 2012. However, it's sounding more and more like the plan, instead of running against John Ensign in the Senate primary, will be to run for the open seat in NV-02 assuming Dean Heller runs for Senate. (Another option is running for the state Senate, as her long-time nemesis Bill Raggio will be vacating his Reno-area open seat.)

TX-Sen: Here's a boilerplate article on the speculation as to whether Kay Bailey Hutchison runs for re-election, but there's an interesting tidbit buried within: Chet Edwards, who'll be looking for work soon and has a better profile for running statewide than for his blindingly-red district, is getting a strong push to run on the Dem side. (The Texas Tribune has more on Edwards here. Another, maybe likelier, possibility, is an Obama administration job.)

VA-Sen: The Virginia state GOP has decided to hold a primary to nominate its Senate nominee in 2012, not a convention (as they did in 2008). This is seen as a boost to establishment fave George Allen, who, flamingly right-wing as he is, would still be vulnerable to someone even to the right at a convention, which is dominated by the hardcore faithful. (As seen by Jim Gilmore's near loss at the '08 convention to the obscure state Del. Bob Marshall, reported to be interested in another try.)

IL-17: There's a fair number of defeated Dem House members that seem like it'd a good idea for them run again in 2012, but here's one that, well, isn't a good idea, who's still quick to state his interest. Phil Hare (who lost by a significant margin to a pizza parlor owner in his first actively-contested election) says he'd like to try again. The real question may be what district he'd even be running in, considering that the weird-looking 17th (intended as a downstate Dem vote sink, albeit not a very effective one if the Dem can't even hold it) is likely to be vaporized in redistricting.

DCCC: It's official: Rep. Steve Israel will be running the DCCC for the 2012 cycle, as the Dems seek to get back on the offensive. Israel will still need to be approved by the larger House caucus, but having gotten the Pelosi imprimatur, it's considered a done deal.

Polltopia: Pew is out with even more data on the cellphone polling issue, and it confirms what you probably already know, that the cellphone gap is not only real but growing. They found that in the polls they conducted in fall 2010, the landline-only surveys skewed in the Republican direction by 5.1% more than dual-frame surveys. That's up from the 2.4% cellphone gap they found in 2008 polling. They also found that dual users (both cellphone and landline) reached by cell are still significantly more Democratic than dual users reached by landline, which would explain much of the skew.

Redistricting: Good news for Dave's App users. Having just unveiled Dave's App 2.0 a few weeks ago, now he's up to Dave's App 2.0.1, incorporating a few tweaks (such as showing all districts all the time).

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Not sure if this got buried way at the end of the weekend thread
But Annie Kuster has already told the state party that she will indeed be running in NH-02 in 2012. That didn't take long!

Link: http://www.rollcall.com/issues...

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


Excellent
Great candidate, wrong year. She should win in 2012.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
She came so close...
In a year when so many other NH Dems were absolutely slaughtered. Without a doubt, Kuster deserves a second shot at 2012. The only big question here is what happens to NH in redistricting, if anything.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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Can
they do anything? How is it done? We have a D Governor and we didn't last time. Does the Governor have a say in it?

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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doesn't matter much
I'm pretty sure the NH GOP has a supermajority.

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Does it?
Didn't know that. So it's the legislator and Governor? I'm by no means a redistricting buff but I'm pretty sure there's not much you can do with NH. Could be wrong though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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redistricting
Doesn't look like there's much you can do in NH. It's just such a wildly swinging state.

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That's what I was thinking...
If they try to shore up one of the seats, then they're automatically making the other one a more likely Dem pickup. So the NH GOP either faces a "Sophie's Choice" like scenario, or they just have to keep the new districts close to what the current districts are and hope Guinta and/or Bass is strong enough to withstand whatever happens in 2012.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
If I were New Hampshire Republicans...
I'd probably try to shore up Guinta and leave the other seat for dead, assuming Bass retires (I understand he wasn't excited about returning to Washington anyway. He certainly ran like that was true) .

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New Hampshire can change district lines.
Except no one has tried since the 1870s.

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1870's?
That just a year you pulling out of your ass or you actually know that for a fact because if so, that'd be fascinating!

[ Parent ]
It's actually a fact.


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It was done originally to hurt Catholic Democrats, but over time it made sense to keep the lines similar
Each district has one of the state's two largest cities, Manchester and Nashua.  The changes made are usually just to reshuffle some towns due to population changes.  

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



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Basically, yeah
But they tweak the lines a little every decade to maintain equal population.

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Traditionally, the state has been split up east-west
I doubt they'll change the map significantly, especially considering making NH-02 more Republican will weaken NH-01.

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I agree about Kuster

She run strong in a bad year. I hope she run again, and win the seat.

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Awesome.


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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Snowe's
excuse on voting for the HCR bill w/the mandate in the Finance committee:

"Snowe was the only Republican to support any version of health care reform, but ultimately voted against the final bill. The version Snowe supported did include an individual mandate, but her aides said she opposed that provision and hoped to change it through the amendment process."

What a lame excuse. You're still gonna be teabagged anyway.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


Yes, she needs to realize
that there's nothing she can appease the hordes.  They will come for her like the zombies in "Dawn of the Dead."  Her only hope is do pull a Jeffords and then run for re-election by securing the Dem nomination, but refusing the Dem party endorsement (like what Sanders did).

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
That
would be a little too risk though. Her best bet would be to run as an independent or Murkowski it.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Probably
but who would she caucus with?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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GOP
Dem voters love her and Collins even though they caucus with the GOP. And plus the tea party candidate will probably be someone who belongs in an insane asylum so Snowe picks up the sane vote which won't be split unlike what happened this year.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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In that case
I hope she loses the primary to a crazy and the Dems run a strong candidate.  Maybe they could recruit Eliot Cutler.  I know he's an indie, but so was Bill Owens before he was recruited.  If not that, maybe Michaud.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Could you see a four-way race?
A Democrat, a right-wing Republican, Cutler, and Snowe as an Independent? One of those could conceivably win with 30% of the vote.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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Cutler
Didn't he used to be a Democrat?  

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Yes, he did
From what I remember, he left the party in frustration over bland Portland-area bureaucrats like Libby Mitchell rising to the top over hard-working activists and outsiders (like Cutler). Can't remember where I read that...an interview, maybe?

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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Yup
but I believed he only went Independent to bypass the crowded Democratic party which was really incredibly boring to watch. Glad the general was exciting to watch though.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Eliot Cutler or Rosa Scarcelli
I would love for them to recruit Eliot Cutler. I think he can make this race interesting. I also read in Roll Call that the Maine Dems are also looking at Rosa Scarcelli. I don't know enough about Rosa Scarcelli to make any informed assessment. Does anyone have any thoughts about her and her viability and potential?

26, Liberal Democrat, gay male, CA-38

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Scarcelli is fiscally conservative
She ran on cutting spending, lowering the income tax, and replacing Dirigo with exchanges. She'd be more annoying than Feinstein. If not Cutler, I would prefer someone like Steven Rowe or Rep. Pingree

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

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Not Pingree
Loss to Collins, rather narrow victory in excellent 2008, and rather strong in 2010 only because Republican candidate was very far-right (and even he got substantially more then LePage in this district). Pingree is similar to Mitchell with her far-left views, and would get similar percentage statewide. Rowe? May be, but Maine likes fiscal conservatives and social moderates...

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Pingree's opponent got more than LePage
Because Lepage was running in a three way. He only got 38% statewide. Not a fair comparison

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

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More then fair
LePage was the only right-wing gubernatorial candidate, Scontras - the only right-wing congressional candidate in ME-01. Scontras got more. Period.  

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Rowe...
Thanks for the info about Scarcelli. How is she on social issues? Although I'm a big Cutler fan, maybe Scarcelli's fiscal conservative slant can draw some independents her direction.

About Rowe....how old is he? Didn't he come in second to Mitchell in the primary? I actually preferred him to her. Has he made any comments about his future plans?

And dare I even ask about John Baldacci running for the Senate?

26, Liberal Democrat, gay male, CA-38


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As far as i remember - he is VERY unpopular
His 38% in 2006 Gubernatorial race (even 4-way, but with very weak Republican candidate) isn't especially impressive too//

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Rowe is 57
Also, McGowan, who was the other candidate in the gubernatorial race, is in his mid-60's I think. I don't know if either has said anything, but I think Rowe has to be in the conversation jus because he was AG.

Don't even get me started on Baldacci. Hopefully he just finishes his term and just stays quiet.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)


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Some democratic voters

And every day will be less if she want to go to the right.

If she becomes democrat she can win the support of all the democrats and run against a teabagger without enough support.

If not, all will be going worse for her, because I think the democrats from Maine must run strong this year. Very strong. With O Snowe or against O Snowe, she decides.

She can become a strong democrat senator, or she can join C Crist, Castle, Bennett or Murkowsky.


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NV-Sen
That article is some tasty cat fud.
Rightwing Politio and their sources aren't merely throwing Campbell under the bus- they're driving back and forth over the body several times.
Sounds like he'll be lucky to get to run a campaign for dog catcher anytime soon.

Favorite bit (out of many to pick from): Campbell calls the NRSC to find out if they've heard any rumors about Obama visiting NV to campaign for Reid. As a matter of fact, yes, Obama had been there two days earlier...


Remember, Politico is DC based...
And that whole article has Angle's DC handlers' fingerprints all over it! Basically, this is what Jerrod Agen and Jordan Gehrke plan to point to when they look for future work and prospective employers ask them why they f**ked up Angle's campaign so much.

"But looky here! Politico explained it was ALL Terry Campbell's fault!"

Of course, Campbell was an absolute disaster for that campaign. That was one of the reasons why I constantly had a sense of Zen calm about Reid winning, even as the rest of y'all were discussing "how big Angle's margin of victory will be".

However, I have a feeling it won't be so easy for Sharrrrrrrrrrrron herself to let Terry Campbell go. Those two have been close for some time... And I have a feeling he's still by her side as the entire DC crew cut her loose and are now proceeding to bash her in the media.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Not quite
Politico is based in the Rosslyn neighborhood of Arlington, Virginia.

http://www.politico.com/aboutus/


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MI-Sen
I would be surprised if Hoekstra doesn't run.  His comment sounded like a typical "I'm running but don't want to announce it yet" response.  It would be an interesting race.   I think he would definitely have some big issues, like his tendency to reveal classified national security information or him having a news conference to talk about "finding" weapons in Iraq.  Supporting NAFTA probably wouldn't go over well either.    

Hokestra is so full of himself.
You should thank your lucky stars that he and Cox bludgeoned themselves to death in the primary, allowing the most moderate of the primary crowd to win.  Snyder seems alright so far.  He appointed Dillon to be Treasurer and is opposed to making Michigan a right-to-work state.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I'm very grateful....
That we have a governor who wants to nullify health care reform in Michigan, has pledged not to accept new stimulus funds to fill in the state's budget, wants to fastrack permits for building new coal-powered plants faster then the Federal Clean Air Act allows, and wants to get rid of the state's business tax, but instead of finding new revenue elsewhere wants to cap all tax rates at one flat level. :)

By the way: Hoekstra was against making Michigan a right-to-work state also. Mike Bouchard was the only one from either party in the primaries to raise the issue. Hoekstra voted against the EFCA and the stimulus, but supported the auto bailouts (even though West Michigan is not that reliant on the auto industry except for tax revenue and pensions), and the Teamsters even threatened to endorse him in the general election if Dillon became the Democratic nominee (stupidly, I thought). The only unions that ended up endorsing Snyder were the Michigan Regional Council of Carpenters and Millwrights; Snyder was actually perceived as being the Republican besides Bouchard that unions were the coolest to, mostly because he has no political record to speak of.

The comment about not making Michigan a right-to-work state was part of his rhetoric about not being "confrontational;" just like Chris Cristie in New Jersey, if state Republicans COULD find a way to make it non-confrontation they would make it part of their platform. Some Michigan newspapers are already talking about it; the Grand Rapids Press ran a multipart story endorsing the concept in theory, and my hometown paper, the Kalamazoo Gazette, reran the story in full. If you're interested, you can find it here:

http://www.mlive.com/news/inde...

I wouldn't be too optimistic about the State Treasurer position either. I don't have a problem with Dillon and would've happily voted for him for governor, but the Michigan Treasurer isn't like the ones in states like Illinois and Pennsylvania; they and their staff work at the behest of the governor. So if Dillon, who supports the health care law and is against privatizing pensions or public health care, is asked to draw up a plan by which the state would do those things and fudge the numbers in the way the Federal OMB does by not including certain variables in their computations, Dillon either has to release that report with his name stamped on it or resign.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
First paragraph
The guy is a business/Rockefeller Republican, what do you expect?  I don't like Snyder much, but I'm also not a fan of picking out his business policy leanings to paint him as some arch-conservative.  They won.  I'm just glad that the guy that got picked isn't trying to get intelligent design taught in schools, who denies climate change, who wants to ban abortion, who wants to make Michigan right-to-work, who sees mass transit as some social plot, who is openly hostile to gays, etc...

Truth is, when compared to the type of Republicans getting elected elsewhere in this country, even in kind-of-blue/purple states like Wisconsin, we've got an actual, honest-to-goodness moderate Republican.  You just don't see those much, anymore.  A Democrat wasn't getting elected this year, and we ended up with a guy to the left of Engler, who himself wasn't a huge social conservative.  Thanks the stars.


[ Parent ]
Amen to this.
If it seems like I was cherry picking stuff to make Snyder seem ghoulish, then that wasn't my intent; I just don't like the tendency of people to look across the borders and say, "Well, at least your guy isn't as bad as OURS! He's a real yahoo if there ever was one." I don't really think, for example, that Snyder is going to call out the federal government Orval Faubus style about nullifying federal laws; it just seems that when people talk about "moderate Republicans" this year, the Overtone Window has moved so right in this last election about economic issues that we miss that stuff Snyder talked about with not accepting federal assistance based on matters of "competitiveness," localism, fastracking permits for buildings and contracts in general with almost no state oversight, etc. would've been unthinkable even during Engler, at least as a topic of discussion.

Though I disagree that Engler wasn't much of a social conservative. I just don't think governors in Michigan have much power to do anything but sign laws pertaining to "cultural" issues, which is why I'm not too optimistic about Snyder. Engler dealt with a Democratic legislature until 1998, and back then it had lots of genuine moderates like Joe Schwartz and my state senator Tom George leading the party. While the incoming Senate Majority Leader looks better then Mike Bishop, the legislative Republicans are going to be more interested in reinstating Engler-era economic polices then legislating social issues (although the whole furor about transgender people and changing statuses on drivers licences shows there's still a constituency in the Republican party for this kind of stuff). Since Snyder basically has zero government experience, and seems to view governing like a business; i.e. the CEO lays out the bottom line, and his subordinates carry it out, I'd be interested to see how he interacts with the more socially conservative members of the legislature from both parties. If Snyder is good on the environment or stem cells or yadda yadda, so what? When Engler had to deal with the Republicans on crafting budgets, Schwartz and other suburban Republicans (and by the way, I'm not the biggest Schwartz/Milliken fan, either) made sure education was never on the chopping block, and that new revenue would have to be found to offset it. There's not going to be that kind of moderating influence this year, and this kind of scenario is going to replicate itself all over the country after 2011.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Your from MI
Do you think he'd win the Rep primary, or would he lose again? Who else do you expect to run for Reps? I've heard Candice Miller, Terri Lynn Land, and Mike Rogers mentioned. Do you think any of those will run, and how likely are they to run?  

[ Parent ]
Hoekstra could win
but I know many consider him not to be conservative enough.  There were several positions he had during the gubernatorial primary that turned off the "drown the government in the bathtub" crowd.  

I think Mike Roger will run.  

Former governor John Engler recent bought a home in MI so many speculate that he'll run.  I have my doubts because Engler doesn't plan to move his family back from Virginia where his daughters are still in high school.  I don't think running to be Michigan's senator from Virginia will go over very well.

Candice Miller could have for higher office in past years and has declined.  I don't think that will change.

Terri Lynn Land couldn't even get enough support to stay in the gubernatorial primary.  She could run but I don't see her getting far.

Some mention Rep. McCotter but I don't see him having the appeal to win state-wide office.  My guess is the Republicans will make his district safer during redistricting and he'll remain a representative.

I guess Mike Cox could run but he has a lot of personal baggage.  

As of now, Rogers and Hoekstra are the only candidates I think will run for sure.  


[ Parent ]
He is awfully conservative on national security
Hoekstra I mean. Though I don't suppose that is driving too many votes right now.

[ Parent ]
Yes he is
It was his position on state taxes that bothered many far-right conservatives.  

[ Parent ]
If Candice Miller runs for higher office, it will be governor at some point.
She has a house seat for life if she wants to stay in D.C., whereas taking on Stabenow would be a crapshoot at best and a career ender at worst (see 2000 and 2006; Republicans hate Stabenow, and every times she wins it shocks them for some reason). Miller has made noises about running for governor in 2009, and probably would've done it this year if she could've cornered the Eastern Michigan vote for herself in the primary. As it is, Mike Bouchard (the would-be-Stabenow Slayer, ala 2006) and Mike Cox collapsed, so Rick Michigan soaked up all the Republican primary votes in metro Detroit. She obviously wants to be governor (and has since she was SOS), so I don't see her running for Senate.

As for Mike Rogers, as long as Republicans don't dummymander his district, he seems safe, and if he did run wouldn't be able to translate the support he gets statewide since both he and Stabenow are from the Capitol Area (he actually succeeded Stabenow in the House when she ran for Senate in 2000). Land wanted to be governor, too, but made a fool of herself this year by:

1. Tying herself to Mike Bouchard in a stupid attempt to save his flagging campaign by running as his "lieutenant governor" (even though it's the GOP state convention that decides the LG position, not primary voters) in an attempt to suck up some votes in Western Michigan; it failed, to say the least, and:

2. Has gotten a lot of negative publicity in the Kalamazoo/Michigandia region for the SOS not telling voters who voted absentee in 2010 that if they voted for Bob Jones in Michigan's 20th Senate District that the vote wouldn't count since he died, which seems fair, but then gave the stupid answer that the SOS couldn't do so because it would look "partisan," even though Jones is a Democrat and she's a Republican.

My guess, which is just pure speculation about the next few months: Justin Amash will make noises about running, but probably not jump in; there might be some pressure on Dave Camp, Rogers or Fred Upton if Republicans want to shore up Walberg or Benishek by carving out pieces of their districts to run, but I would be shocked if any of them actually did run, especially Camp and Upton; there will be a movement in the Michigan press to draft Saint Rick to run ala Charlie Crist, but no one will take it seriously; Jack Hoogendyck will either run for the Senate nomination or go after Upton again; and the nominee will probably be some obscure businessman or a current or former state legislator. Mike Bishop and Paul Scott might run after coming close to winning their party's nominations for Attorney General and SOS; Bishop would have credibility as a former State Majority Leader in the Senate, and Scott would be interesting as a conservative Black house member from Genesee County.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Would Scott
Face the same problem as Giannoulias? He is only 28 yrs old, and will not be 30 until March 2012. He'd be great, but he's probably got to wait a few years.  

[ Parent ]
Thanks, didn't know that.
Since Michigan usually doesn't hold their primaries until the first Tuesday of August, so he could file last minute (great way to spend one's birthday!), but that's kind of late to jump into a race, especially if it becomes crowded (which I doubt it will; plus, with a high profile Republican presidential primary, Republicans may move up the entire schedule).

And by the way, when I mentioned some random businessman, there's already Some Dude running, Chad Dewey. Yes, THE Chad Dewey. His website seems to be his personal blog turned into a candidate website, and he features quotes by Ron Paul and Calvin Coolidge on his front page. Enjoy the glory of the only declared candidate for the Republican nomination for the United States Senate, 2012.

http://chaddewey.org/

In all seriousness, though, I could see Republicans running literally some dude or dudette for Senate; Republicans have to keep the state house after overextending themselves this year, especially in the Upper Peninsula, and have several House Republicans (Amash, Benishek, Walberg and McCotter definintely, and in two nightmare scenarios for Republicans if their candidates choose to step down for various reasons, Upton and Roger's districts) who could be theoretically vulnerable, especially in a presidential year. If the Republican nominee doesn't gain any traction early, donors will close their wallets. Republicans were burned in 2006 when DeVos and Bouchard looked like they could make their races competitive and then watched both campaigns go up in flames and see their precious money that could've been spent keeping the state house or shoring up The Anointed One Mike Cox (c. 2006), who barely won reelection that year, and in 2000 when Republicans spent millions of dollars trying to save Spencer Abrahams sorry ass from losing reelection that could've been spent nationally in what turned out to be a close race. Michigan has a large, expensive advertising region in metro Detroit, plus several smaller but important ones all over the state, so if the top of the ticket is weak and underfunded (i.e. McCain 2008, Bernero 2010), and individual candidates are effected by it, then he/she will drag the whole party down with them without outside funding. But in a state as blue as Michigan, if a Republican can't run away early, then they're not going to win; that's why McCain just pulled out of the state, and Bush pretty much gave up in 2004 by the fall. They're not going to dump money into the state like Republicans did in California and Washington this year.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)


20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Do you think
They'd really throw a Senate race against someone who has a -12 approval rating, with 50% disapproving? Also, why couldn't he run before the filing deadline? He would be 30 by the time he was sworn in, so there is no restriction on campaigning or fundraising.

[ Parent ]
This is the Michigan Republican Party we're talking about.
And he could file to run in that scenario, you're correct. By the way, don't think I'm a reflexive optimist; I've just seen Republicans go down this alley before and feel that they'd be, as a party, better off looking for targets elsewhere then dumping money into a state that has, in presidential-election years, frustrated them for about two decades. And to your question about "throwing away a race," the GOP in Michigan really has three basic problems. This is long, almost diary length, but something that I've thought about a lot with all the recent talk about Stabenow's vulnerability:

1. To get a governor elected statewide, their candidate has to appeal to some part of the Democratic base of soft Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents (Michigan has no partisan registery, so same thing basically). Engler won three times by running hard on abortion, affirmative action, etc.; Reagan Democrat and Republican issues. But someone that conservative can't get elected statewide to a Senate seat except in really favorable conditions; that's how Spencer Abraham won in 1994 (plus, he had a fairly flawed opponent in Bob Carr). Rick Snyder didn't really make the kind of inroads Engler did with union workers, white ethnics, etc. He appealed almost entirely to middle-to-upper-middle class left-of-center voters mad at the gridlock in Lansing, Granholm and bad economic conditions. But Snyder would not win a Senate primary after he slipped by in the 2010 primary. This is why someone like William Milliken, very popular locally, never was able to make the leap to higher office even if he had wanted to.

2. Dummymandering! With the exception of MI-02, home to Pete Hoekstra and Rep-elect Bill Huizinga, and MI-03 (Vern Ehlers and Rep-elect Amash), which are strongly and historically Republican, all the Republican held-districts are dummymandered districts that combine a few strongly Republican areas (Miller's - suburbs in nothern Macomb, Camp's - Midland and Traverse City, Upton's - pretty much every county outside of Kalamazoo, Rogers - Livingston County, McCotter's - Livonia, which is swing territory, but his home base so he gets large margins there) with some storngly Democratic territory and a lot of marginal Republican suburban/rural teritory that swings in presidential elections, but stays Republican in local elections. The marginal districts, like Stupak/Rep-elect Benishek and Schaeur/Rep-elect Walberg are the same, as is Peter's. This means it's very hard for representatives to make statewide runs since often they don't even have strong bases in their own district. It also causes the state parties to strongly lean on Representatives NOT to run statewide - for example, Democrats didn't want Stabenow to vacat her district to run against Abraham because they were afraid they couldn't hold it (Stabenow's base is in Ingham, or Lansing, and a representative there would have to acquaint themselves with conservative-leaning swing areas, especially since then state Sen. Majority leader Mike Rogers was from Livingston, a Republican goldmine for votes in the east side). Stabenow won, but Democratic leaders like Dave Bonior and Dick Gephardt were right - Rogers won by 111 votes over Stabenow's hand-picked candidate, Dianne Byrum. It's fair to say that if Stabenow had not run in 2000, she'd be holding Roger's seat now, and if Rogers left to run in 2012, which looks like it will be more even then 2010, a strong Democrat like Gretchen Whitmer could win the seat. Same with Fred Upton, Thad McCotter, or in a bad year for Republicans Dave Camp or Dan Benishek.

This is why I think if Republicans get a strong candidate, it'll be a state legislator or a businessman/woman. Maybe they can get Attorney General-elect Schuette or SOS-elect Johnson to run, but they didn't run exactly awe-inspiring races (Johnson, for example, underperformed Snyder's margins by 5-6%). The only other major Republican office holder will be LG-elect Calley, who would be an interesting candidate being from South-Central Michigan (Ionia), but I don't think he has the interest of the gravitas to make a run.

3. Michigan has a strong Democratic machine that is piss poor at turning out votes during midterm years, but is one of the best in the country in presidential election year. Unlike in other Midwestern states, Republicans don't get the kinds of margins they get in rural areas in suburbs in Michigan to counteract the Democratic margins in cities like Detroit, Flint, Saginaw, Bay City, Kalamazoo, Battle Creek, Muskegon, Grand Rapids, Manistee, Marquette, Alpena, Lansing... you get the idea.

If you want a visual of just how hard it is to get above 50% for a Republican in Michigan:

http://uselectionatlas.org/RES...

Snyder was able to do it, but he was on his way to a landslide anyways. There's no way, for example, that even in a year as bad as this one for Dems that a Republican could do this well in a Senate election:

http://uselectionatlas.org/RES...

A Republican running statewide has to win BOTH Macomb and Oakland, and get 50-60% in BOTH of them (Bush was able to get 50-51% in Macomb and hold Kerry to 49% in Oakland while winning Monroe with over 50% and getting over 60% in Livingston and STILL lost by 4% statewide. The last Republican to to beat an incumbent Democrat statewide was in 1990, when John Engler defeated James Blanchard  50-49%.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RES...

Stabenow will easily get 55-60% or more in her home base of Ingham, and would not loss Kalamazoo County. She could win with a map like this, unlike James Blanchard who didn't have high turnout in Wayne County (Detroit), and losing big in both Macomb and Oakland.

My predictions for 2012:

If it is an even year politically (Unemployment - 8-9%, still bad but perceived as better, Obama approval 48-51%), Stabenow walks away with 54-56% because Republicans will be concentrating on defending Walberg and Benishek, and national donors and grassroots activists will be more interested in possible pickups in Nebraska, Montana and Virginia.

If it is as bad economically as 2010, but with more normal turnout, so an electorate that disapproves of Obama more then it approves but by a narrow margin, Obama will probabbly lose or win by a narrow, 2000-esque margin, but won't provide coattails for Stabenow. She gets a semi-serious Ron Johnson-esque opponent, wins with 49-50% of the vote.

If things are just awful for Dems, one of the Republican House members in Michigan will make the jump, and the state party, feeling invincible and confident that they can hold any opponent seat in the state, will coalesce around him/her. Even if this doesn't happen, any warm body can make  it a race. Stabenow loses, and the bottom falls out. The base doesn't turn out, and if it does it it's turning out to give her the thumbs down. she gets 44-45% (which, in a year with normal turnout, is about the floor a Democrat can get in Michigan. See Dukakis, Michael, 1988.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RES...

Basic point: people underestimate Democratic strength in Michigan based on the haplessness of the state party, but the state Republicans aren't much better, and 2010 proved that while it isn't impossible for a previously safe incumbent to lose (Blanche Lincoln, Russ Feingold), you also don't have to be loved to win reelection (Michael Bennet). Stabenow has never been beloved in the state, and knows how to run a good GOTV operation. Labor loves her, and won't give up on her at the finish line like Republican-leaning groups did with Abraham, Bouchard and Bush in the state. Also, if Obama is getting at least 46-48% minimum nationally, he'll still be competitive in Michigan; Michigan has a PVI of about 3-4 D. Stabenow hasn't cast any votes that are going to be particularly egregious in Michigan; she voted no on Iraq, no to TARP, yes on Kaufman-Brown, and is ambivalent-to-hawkish on immigration (which probably won her the election in 2000, since Abraham had been a proponent of looser immigration laws for a long time). If she gets a flawless opponent, she could loss, but don't be suprised if her race falls off the radar early on in the cycle. This race will probably take form by next July; if it's not apparent that it's truly competitive by then (not Boxer-Fiorina or Murray-Rossi competitive), then Stabenow should survive.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)


20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Paul Scott REALLY should not run
He's one of the biggest assholes in Michigan politics. Dude's got a Harvard Law degree and he thinks it makes him king of the world. He would run the same kind of smarmy, self-serving campaign that got him second-to-last place in the SoS race at the convention this year.

Most likely Hoekstra and/or Rogers runs. If it's Rogers, we'll have a good shot. He's an excellent fundraiser and a very good speaker. I'm not his biggest fan given that he refuses to vote for a number of trade bills and he loves his pork, but he'd probably be our best bet if Candice Miller doesn't run. Hoekstra may not make it out of the primary. He's not terribly charismatic and he still has the baggage of the TARP vote.


[ Parent ]
Miller
Do you think she will at least consider it, and is she too moderate to win a primary against Hoekstra? Is she our best bet?  

[ Parent ]
I think Miller is probably more conservative than Hoekstra
He may be more of a hawk than she is on foreign policy, but I think she'd have no problems in a primary against him. I'd probably vote for her even over Rogers in a primary since she already has proven statewide capabilities. Also, her district is safe and most likely getting safer, so we wouldn't be giving up anything if she left for the Senate.

Truly, her biggest problem would probably be that she's not very attractive and wouldn't play all that well on TV (not that Stabenow is any prize herself). Still, she's smart as a whip and people like her, so I could definitely see her winning.


[ Parent ]
Well
Rick "creepy uncle" Snyder was elected, so MI does not seem to care about attractiveness.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah, those ads ending with him just staring into the camera were creepy
Like he was peering into your soul

[ Parent ]
It's usually a little different with female politicians.
Don't want to sound like a concern troll, but with female politicians its less about their charisma (which Snyder possesses none of, but made up for in his genuine-seeming matter of expressing himself and the fact he has no real disqualifying personal traits) or even looks then it is about composure and seeming to have a sense of command. A lot of people say Granholm only got elected because she looks good (she actually lived in California for a while, and wanted to be an actress before going to law school), but her main advantage is that she's quick on her feet and comes across as genuine in her beliefs, whether you agree with her or not.

Miller is pretty smart, and is good at crafting an image (her "non-partisan female Republican" thing is probably one of the main reasons Land and Johnson have kept the SOS office in Republican hands, and Jocelyn Benson modeled herself on her, even saying she'd be more like Miller/Land then Johnson would) and has the kind of resume/gravitas to overcome any lack of zazz she has (and would be a good enough recruit that she might be able to clear the field), but I personally don't think has the kind of quickness on her feet and willingness to pivot into new territory that's needed to run for a Senate run. She knows this too; this is why she floated a trial balloon all the way back in 2007-2008 for governor, when Democrats were at the top of their game, but has been mum on running for the  Senate. I'm not too sure she's even as happy in Congress as she was as SOS. This is why I don't think McCotter will run either; he prefers to do his leadership thing in the House and to be a talking head, whereas running statewide would force him to run as a more conventional politician if he doesn't want to just seem weird like he does to some people, unfairly in my opinion.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
You're the first person I've ever heard imply that McCotter is not that weird
I've run into him a few times and he is just one of the most off-putting human beings I've ever run into. There is not an ounce of charisma in that man, he seems disgusted by everything. Very smart and very shrewd, but geez does he need a ganja break to chill out. I kind of hope he moves on soon so that the GOP can run a better politician for his seat.

[ Parent ]
I do think he's a little quirky.
But he seems to have a base in the district, and I'm not really sure in an even year that Republicans would be sure of holding the seat; he survived two wave elections where a Republican representing a similar district in metro Detroit lost, and I really doubt that any other Republican would do much better in the district. At least he doesn't think Guam will capsize or that lizard people are implanting tracking chips into people's heads. If he hates politics that much, though, he's been involved in elected politics for like 20 years, you'd think he'd have quit by now

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Sander Levin
I'm pretty sure he's close to or over 80.

Recent diaries here have suggested that the Republicans break his district and scatter the pieces into the neighboring Democratic districts.

However it looks like he's now the ranking member on the House Ways and Means Committee. Do you think the Michigan GOP leaves him in for that and goes after Peters instead?


[ Parent ]
Probably.
But Peter's district was created as the MOST Republican district entirely within metro Detroit, and was created to protect Joe Knollenbeg. I don't see how it can get any more Republican without diluting McCotter's district; the really only strongly Democratic area in Peter's district is Pontiac. I've seen some people say that Republicans might try to combine Levin and Peter's districts, but where would the refuge from Levin's district that's not included in the new gerrymandered district go? Southern Macomb County is already about as Democratic as a heavily white, suburban working class-area can go, and the only two places those potions can go would be:

A) Into Conyer/Clarke's VRA districts, or
B) Into Miller's district.

I don't see option A working that well. Extend the VRA districts into Macomb too much and you have to create another one somewhere; extend it too little, and you end up making Peters safe for life. And considering that he has statewide ambitions (ran for AG in 2006 and almost won), and is considered a rising star, even if you completely destroy Levin's district by putting the white Catholic sections of the Oakland portion with Peters and the waterfront with Conyers/Clark, and then jettison the suburban western portions of Peter's district into McCotter's (which would then have to lose some of the Wayne County portion of the district, but not so much that McCotter's home in Livonia falls into Dingell's or Roger's district), you still get 5-6 solid Democratic districts in the East (4-5 if you also consider Dingell's district in the southeast and Kildee's in Flint and the Tri-Cities area), it seems counterproductive.

And Option B is unacceptable to Republicans: Miller's district, the second most Republican in the state, already only gave McCain 50% of the vote in 2008; adding more Democratic-leaning working class areas to the rural thumb, which is also getting less and less red, is a ticking time bomb. Republican redistricting hopes are pretty much already maxed out; after all, they already controlled the governorship and both houses of the state legislature in 2000, and held the governorship and state senate in 1990 (Third times the charm?).

My guess is they go for incumbent protection, though there's precedent for doing what you mentioned. In 2000, Republicans got rid of three incumbent Democrats in Michigan (Jim Barcia, Lynn Rivers and David Bonior) by redistricting their homes into other Democratic districts (Kildee's, Dingell's, and Levin's, respectively). And it worked! Barcia and Bonior both retired from Congress, and Rivers tried to run against Dingell in the Democratic primary and was crushed. How a Peters-Levin primary would unfold I don't know; my guess is that Levin COULD win, but would probably retire. If I were a Republican, I'd look to Indiana, Ohio and Pennsylvania for better redistricting hopes; Michigan is just too maxed out, and the more population it loses the less able Republicans are to protect their incumbents in the east by compacting Democratic urban areas/suburbs together in neat districts. They'll have to get more creative if they want to do some real ratfucking.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Peters' AG run was in 2002. Amos Williams ran and got crushed in '06 (nt)


[ Parent ]
Thanks for the correction.
MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)

[ Parent ]
Don't count Sharrrrrrrrrrrrron...
Out yet. Not even for US Senate. Heller said he won't make any decisions until next year, and The Hill piece suggesting Angle will run for NV-02 clipped from this Lahontan Valley News article on Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron keeping all her options open:

State Republicans met in Fallon on Saturday and enthusiastically received Angle, who spoke before the delegates. She also spoke to the Lahontan Valley News in her first interview with Northern Nevada media since the general election.

Since that time, Angle participated in a Veterans Day parade and took a week-long vacation with her husband, Ted.

Unlike other politicians who disappear after losing an election and are never heard from again, Angle said she enjoys meeting with people and is looking toward 2012. Politics are in her blood.

"I will always be involved in politics. I have a lot of options next cycle," she said. "Lots of options."

State Sen. Bill Raggio will be termed out of office and unable to run again. Angle lost to Raggio two years ago. She said Sen. John Ensign will be running for re-election, and if Congressman Dean Heller decides to challenge the incumbent junior senator, that opens up his District 2 seat.

Angle narrowly lost to Heller in 2006 when she challenged the then secretary of state as the Republican nominee.

However, Angle said she is in no hurry to make a decision.

While I definitely think it's possible Angle decides to run in NV-02, I also think another NV-Sen run is also quite possible. NEVER underestimate Angle's appeal with hard-core GOP primary voters, or for that matter her own opinion of her political instincts.
 

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
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My sense is Angle can't break 50% in a GOP primary
Thus, if Ensign runs, all the GOP establishment needs to do is coalesce around a single candidate (which wasn't the case with Lowden and Tarkanian).

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[ Parent ]
She probably won't have to...
Ensign probably can't either, and there are likely bound to be more candidates popping up in the coming months. If Angle can hold her 40%, which looks quite likely right now, that may be all she needs to win the GOP primary (again).

And btw, the GOP establishment DID coalesce behind Lowden this year. She ran a horrible campaign, and all the establishment support (in state and from DC)  wasn't enough to overpower all the "Tea Party, Inc." spending on behalf of Angle.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Bring back Terry Campbell!
Can someone beat him for "worst campaign manager ever"?

[ Parent ]
Who would Sharrrrrrrrron Angle pick as her running mate if she ran for president?
Would it be Scott Bruuuuuuuuuuuun or Chip Cravaaaaaaaaaaack?

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
A "constitutional conservative," no doubt!
Probably Alan Keyes.

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[ Parent ]
But then she'd be accused of playing the "token minority" game!
What she needs is someone who can add experience, gravitas, years of fighting in the trenches against the MARXIST-KENYAN-ANTICOLONIALIST-FASCIST-NAZI-SOCIALIST-WILSONIAN Water-Fluoridation Police behind them. Are Phyllis Schlafly or Hal Lindsey still alive? And if they aren't, I'm sure Joseph Farah or David Barton could add a little pizzazz too the ticket (though not too much - we don't wanna overdo it here).

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
She doesn't need a token minority
She is, after all, the first Asian legislator in Nevada.  

[ Parent ]
Only in America...
Could a 61 year old White Southern Baptist from Reno become America's first Asian President. It's enough to make you choke up (or just choke).

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
then the running mate would have to be
one of

Pat Buchanan
Lyndon Larouche
Ron Paul

(though Buchanan might be too sane for Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron)


[ Parent ]
Lyndon Larouche would be bold.
Though she'd probably bring the full wrath of the British Empire down on her candidacy (which we all know is already supporting Obama because of his well-known Kenyan anti-colonialist love for that most august realm), so she'd probably wanna go a little more conventional. I like Buchanan, a true elder statesmen of the crazy; would add gravitas to the ticket. But why stop with VP?

For cabinet:

Secretary of Defense: Oliver North
Secretary of the Treasury: Gary North
Secretary of State: Ralph Peters

Who else am I missing?

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (home)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
The
wicked witch from Delaware?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
It's been deduced that she's actually Yoko Ono in disguise
Thus she's constitutionally barred from running :P

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[ Parent ]
I can't fathom Barney Frank running for U.S. Senate
At this point, he has so much seniority, why risk it all on a crowded primary field, and, presuming he thinks he can win the nomination, a general election showdown vs. a fairly popular incumbent? I actually think Frank would probably lose in the primary...his unfavorables among Dems would be as high as Coakley's.

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He's already discussed it
He talked about running in 2004 if Kerry ran.

He certainly has name recognition and money. I think he would do it if he felt that the Dems won't be back in the House Majority any time soon.

I have to imagine one of the 10 MA Dems will throw their hat in the Senate ring and make redistricting easy for them.


[ Parent ]
I know it is really silly,
but I would like Vicki Kennedy to run. I know silly!

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
If Frank is the nominee, that's a gift for Brown
Can Barney Frank defeat Scott Brown? Of course he can--he's a Democrat and this is Massachusetts. But if Dems run Frank, they would be making their road so much more difficult than it has to be. Frank is beloved by the base, but this race will come down to moderate Dems in the mid-sized cities: Worcester, Lowell, Fitchburg, Braintree, Gardner, etc. And Frank's style, which his base perceives as witty, comes off as arrogant and obnoxious to many of those voters. And he has a voting record as Banking chair Brown can attack. If Democrats want to maximize their chances, they should nominate someone as close to Generic D as possible.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
I
agree he'd likely be the weakest but I still think he'd win. Don't get me wrong I could see Brown winning but it will be very tough with Obama cattails. In your expert opinion who would be the best candidate we could put forward?  

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[ Parent ]
I
mean coattails. Obama's cat's tails probably won't help Frank much.  

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[ Parent ]
Coatails Shmoatails
After what happened in NY this election, I can't understand anymore the dumb harping on the coatails myth. it's bs. People split tickets, everywhere! How was Romney elected? How was NH Gov. Lynch reelected? How do Mississippi and Louisiana have a Democratic legislature? How did Minnesota vote for a GOP legislature and a Dem Governor? How did Maine re-elect its 2 Dem Congressman by double-digits, 62% voted for a Dem Governor, yet the GOP flipped the legislature? I hope smart people on SSP will stop harping on this nonsense.  

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

[ Parent ]
Different in presidential elections
When irregular voters come out and support the whole ticket by default. It is less common that it was but is far from nonsense, particularly when Obama will bring out large numbers of African Americans.

[ Parent ]
There
are still coattails. Upstate New Yorkers are notorious ticket splitters from everything I've heard. The Comptroller and newly elected AG of NY can tell you that there are still cottails. As can Peter Shumlin, Kamala Harris, Jerry McNerry, Jim Costa, Charlie Bass, Mike DeWine, the nutter rep in Michigan, the Iowa SoS, the Alabama LG, many state legislators and that's all I can think of without looking anything up. I'm sure others can name many more. Oh and conspiracy makes a good point above.

How was Romney elected? How was NH Gov. Lynch reelected? How do Mississippi and Louisiana have a Democratic legislature? How did Minnesota vote for a GOP legislature and a Dem Governor? How did Maine re-elect its 2 Dem Congressman by double-digits, 62% voted for a Dem Governor, yet the GOP flipped the legislature?

There is still ticket splitting, I didn't deny that. To your examples. Romney got ticket splitting, yes. Lynch still had very high approvals, coattails are the reason he did not win by a huge margin. But yes there was ticket splitting. Mississippi had no competitive statewide races. Yes the CD's where bad but they had such huge majorities to start it would have been a huge task to do. Yes there is ticket splitting but to say there's no such thing as coattails in many examples is just not accurate at all. For every example you can provide of ticket splitting I can name one showing coattails.    

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[ Parent ]
Good question
Not quite sure I'm an expert here because I haven't really seen enough competitive elections in MA to know what kind of Democrat works and what doesn't. But here's how I think the candidates shake out:

--Capuano would be strong. Brown's line of attack against him would be that he's never shown any independence while in Congress (he probably votes 99.5% of the time with his party), but Capuano would probably be very competitive with the swing voters.

--Patrick or Menino would have the strongest support from the state's machine. But there's plenty of baggage with both. Either one would be risky.

--Before his family's scandal hit, John Tierney would have been very strong.

--Stephen Lynch would not survive a primary, but he would be a nightmare candidate for Brown. The moderate Dems who voted for Brown last time would feel very comfortable with Lynch.

--Ed Markey is unlikely to run but would be a very viable candidate if he did.

--After that, you get into the Generic D's. New Treasurer Steve Grossman, Reps. Jim McGovern and Bill Keating, '10 candidate Alan Khazei, Lt. Gov. Tim Murray, and a long line of mayors and state Senators are all unlikely to get the nomination unless the big names pass, but any of those could defeat Brown so long as they present themselves as mainstream Democrats without baggage.

If I had to make a prediction right now, I'd say Capuano emerges from the primary.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
And how could I forget?
The wild card here is the Kennedy family. If a Kennedy (other than Caroline) gets in the race, he or she would instantly become the favorite to win the primary.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
Well
expert in training then. I would be fine with Capuano. Plenty progressive, fiery and most important he could win. I would rather take my chances with Frank than go with Lynch. I really hate him over HCR. What about the newly elected Auditor? Probably too low profile I would guess.  

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[ Parent ]
Suzanne Bump
She'd be a decent candidate too, I admit I kind of forgot about her. Grossman is intriguing though, because of his background at the DNC, which would give him a leg up in fundraising over the other "generic" candidates.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
Doesn't she have ethical issues?
or am I thinking of someone else?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
He's
very old though isn't he? Little late but he started a new chapter this year so he may be up to it I suppose.  

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[ Parent ]
Issues with her.
I don't think hiring a "reformed" satanic murderer plays well with Catholics.

[ Parent ]
Grossman
He can also self fund, can't he? If I could pick the Dem candidate, Bump would be my first choice. I'd pick her over Coakley, Patrick, and Frank.  

[ Parent ]
What about someone like Niki Tsongas?


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
No, she's not a great campaigner
and doesn't have a strong following.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Agreed
I could see her doing well if it turns into an "everyone, in the pool!" primary and she's the only woman in a field of 8 men. But she's a fairly uninspiring campaigner, and would probably rank below Bill Keating (the new guy in MA-10) in the congressional power rankings.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
She
was the original Martha Coakley when it came to campaigning. She was just lucky that the national climate was still very good for Democrats and her seat wouldn't be the make or break of HCR. Anyway Scott Brown easily carried her district during the special election.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Martha Coakley 2012?
Does anyone here think that Coakley would try to make a go at the Senate seat again? Perhaps she'll be a much campaign more energetically and seriously the next time around.

But my Coakley curiosity notwithstanding, I expect Capuano to make a run for it, although I secretly hope Elizabeth Warren makes a run for it too. I like her a lot, and she'll be interesting.

26, Liberal Democrat, gay male, CA-38


[ Parent ]
Keep
that woman away from any important race forever. Plus MA attorney generals have a bad streak of failing when it comes try to be elected to higher office, just like how a mayor of NYC could never be elected to anything.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Yeah, I agree
As much as I love Coakley, if she can't seal the deal the first time around in a state like Massachusetts, the baton must be given to someone else.

Also...any chance Tim Cahill might make a run for this seat? Is he even viable at this point given the implosion of his gubernatorial campaign? Do MA Dems still like him?

26, Liberal Democrat, gay male, CA-38


[ Parent ]
She might run, but she'll never survive a primary
Her rationale would probably be the closeness of the special election.

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[ Parent ]
Martha Coakley 2012?
Does anyone here think that Coakley would try to make a go at the Senate seat again? Perhaps she'll campaign more energetically and seriously the next time around.

But my Coakley curiosity notwithstanding, I expect Capuano to make a run for it, although I secretly hope Elizabeth Warren makes a run for it too. I like her a lot, and she'll be interesting.

Sorry for the double post.

26, Liberal Democrat, gay male, CA-38


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Lynch v Brown
The problem with that matchup for Democrats is that a Green Party or similiarly aligned third-party candidate probably hits double digits. Brown could win with 40% of the vote.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03

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I don't know if I agree with your last sentence...
However, Rep. Frank and Gov. Patrick would both be disastrous, as would Mayor Menino. They're non-starters. I fit the profile of the kind of voter Democrats need to win statewide in Massachusetts, the kind of voter they can usually rely on, and I'd vote for Sen. Scott Brown before I'd vote for Frank. He's an arrogant, obnoxious jerk, and I doubt I'll ever really forgive him for laughing off the impending crisis with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac (having a romantic relationship with an executive at one of those companies, which he did, was a serious no-no too, considering he was the congressional Democrats' point man on regulating them).

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
How did he laugh off the crisis?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I
don't know Mass politics that much but I would presume Frank would pretty much be given the nomination. Why wouldn't he? I doubt anyone else would want to challenge him, he's been in Washington forever and has the most clout, I think they'd do everything to clear the field for him as much as they could. He has probably gone as far as he can in the House, he might want a change of scenery. Onto the GE I think he is probably a weaker candidate than others but I see no reason why he can't win. Mass will be our number one pickup opportunity. I think Frank would have better than even odds of winning. I don't think it's a horrible idea, first gay Senator and all. I also kind of like the idea of Patrick running assuming his numbers hold up. Once Burris leaves there will be no AA Senators, it would be nice to see that changed. Plus I like him and think he would be a good Senator.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Not So Much
Barney Frank is kind of a polarizing figure. Even if you don't buy the whole "Barney Frank and Chris Dodd are responsible for the housing crisis" thing that AM talk radio has been pushing, and many people do, Frank doesn't have a lot of appeal to swing voters outside his own district. (He has a rep for good constituent service, which is part of why I was never that worried about Sean Bielat beating him, and why he'd do surprisingly well in his own district even in the towns where one would expect a guy like that to struggle.) That's not so much because he's a liberal, since that's a label one could apply to anyone in the entire delegation save Lynch. But he's definitely got a style that some people find off-putting. You can attribute some of this to him being very Jewish, very openly gay, and being from Newton - it makes it hard for him to connect with blue-collar or middle class folks who live outside 128* (Boston's version of the Beltway.)

Now maybe with Presidential election turnout levels, especially among nonwhites, any Democrat who's acceptable to most Democrats wins. But it's a chance I'd prefer not taking.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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Yeah, agreed
I mean, it has nothing (or very, very little) to do with him being gay or Jewish. We're a pretty gay-friendly state and while I can't think of a significant Jewish politician other than Frank from around here, I can't imagine religion could be an issue. It's more his manner of speech and the air of superiority he sometimes projects. And Newton would indeed hurt him--most people outside 128 equate Newton with elitism and extravagant wealth.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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What are the chances
Hutchinson is not the candidate, either because she retires or because she is Teabagged? If she isn't on the ballot and Democrats don't fight like dogs for this seat, including asking Obama to use his campaign to help, they are idiots. They don't have that many pick up opportunities in 2012, and this could be one of them, particularly if their candidate is running against a Teabagger.

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

Problem
is Texas' primary is in March I believe. Plenty of time for a teabagger to clean up their idiosyncrasies (see Rand Paul).

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Very good
I doubt at this point that Hutchison will be the nominee. There are too many other strong candidates already in the race, there's a runoff so a split field won't help her, and she's come close to retiring before. Right now, I think Michael Williams is the slight favorite to be the nominee, because he's already consolidated the support of DeMint and the Tea Party.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
I know
he has been elected statewide before, but is it a position anyone pays attention to? In other words, would Williams position really help him that much if he were to run for Senate, or would it mostly be a wash?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Probably a wash
But as we saw in the 2010 primaries, experience running statewide is less important than being perceived as "conservative enough." And Williams at this point stands out for conservative credentials because of that DeMint/TPX support.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
I'm
sure Williams would get a lot of establishment support as well. Not just DeMint and tea party. I mean I'm sure the national parties would love to have an AA Senator. It'd be the first black Republican Senator since the seventies.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I think it's likely...
Commissioner Michael Williams will probably face John Sharp or Trade Rep. Ron Kirk (that last one would be an interesting matchup) in the 2012 Senate election. I doubt Sen. Hutchison survives a primary.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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I agree
They would love to have him in the Senate. Same thing with SC-Sen in 2014. They would probably not lift a finger to help Graham of Scott ran. I could even see them recruiting Scott.

[ Parent ]
Nope, the state and national party
will NOT abandon Graham if he runs for re-election.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Yep
the national parties defend incumbent Senators in primaries. They would do the same with Graham. Not like I think being the party pick would help him much.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I'm curious.
What would make you think the state and national parties would stab Graham in the back if Scott wanted to primary him?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
They wouldn't publicly
But they probably wouldn't work too hard to protect him. First of all, they are smart enough to know Graham will not win the primary. They also know out of all his possible challengers, Scott is the sanest and would provide them with a diverse face. I'm sure they'd prefer Scott beat Graham than Mark Sanford or Dawson.  

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That's so dumb.
I mean, I get why they'd any warm body since they currently have none, but if the whole point is to be open to minorities, why would you want someone who is ideologically way out of sync with most of the black community? It's probably more acceptable to have extremely conservative Hispanic legislators, since there's already a decent level of support for Republicans from that group, but there just aren't that many black Republicans. Wouldn't it make more sense to want someone like Scott Brown, who even if he is more conservative than some say actually appears to be a moderate? That's probably a better way to begin a dialogue with people who usually vote for liberals.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I don't doubt
he'd be perceived as conservative enough, but the reason I asked about his previous campaign(s) was that I am unsure of how well known he was. He wouldn't need to be as well known as Hutchinson to have a leg up, but if he, or anyone else, wasn't that much more well known statewide than the Democrat running, they'd be more or less equal. Each candidate would have to work to get his or her name out there, but that's usually a problem for the Democrats only, or so I would imagine, and in a way, that's an advantage to the Democrat. And if it's someone who was actually kind of, sort of well known, at least in one major media market, as opposed to a Republican who isn't known that well in any market, the advantage gets even stronger.



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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DeMint
If Hutchison runs again, he would not help Williams until the run-off. See UT-Sen for example. He did not endorse against Bennett, but as soon as Bennett was no longer in the race, he endorsed Lee. He does not endorse against incumbents in Republican primaries.  

[ Parent ]
He
endorsed Toomey when Specter was still a Republican. That may of been an special case though since Specter voted for the stimulus.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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His policy changed after that then
I thought he endorsed Toomey as soon as Specter left. But he always says he will not endorse against an incumbent Republican. Murkowski was a special case, since she ran as a write in.  

[ Parent ]
Lisa M?


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Read the last sentence
He does not endorse against incumbents in Republican primaries


[ Parent ]
Yes
I read but didn't he also endorse Miller during the primary?

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
He endorsed Miller
After the primary.  

[ Parent ]
How
nice of him. Do yah think he'll make an exception with Snowe? Surely he'll endorse in some primaries.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
He already said
He will not endorse against incumbent Republicans in Republican primaries in 2012. That does not mean he will endorse incumbents (see McCain)  

[ Parent ]
What are the chances
Hutchinson is not the candidate, either because she retires or because she is Teabagged? If she isn't on the ballot and Democrats don't fight like dogs for this seat, including asking Obama to use his campaign to help, they are idiots. They don't have that many pick up opportunities in 2012, and this could be one of them, particularly if their candidate is running against a Teabagger.

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

Gallup suck
Their USA Today poll has Obama approval at 42 while their tracker has it at 47. Taken over the same days!

Gallup has had some missteps lately
They were way off on their generic ballot for the election as well. I wonder if someone at the organization is looking at correcting some of these problems?

[ Parent ]
Their daily tracker is fine
This isn't the first time the USA Today version has differed and always looking better for Republicans. Must be something to do with different methodology for some reason.

[ Parent ]
Would Angle running for Heller's seat
in a presidential year make it competitive?

As in most cases
It probably depends if Obama is winning the state and by how big a margin.

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Adleft
is by far the best person to answer that but I would sure as heck hope it would. How did she do there this year? I think we could win it. I think it would be competitive with her any year. I still hope she'll run for Senate, that would ROCK.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Thanks, hoosierdem!
I appreciate the vote of confidence. :-)

Here's the dilemma of NV-02: It packs in the reddest parts of the state. And while they're not heavily populated, they vote in higher proportions than Clark (Vegas) and Washoe (Reno). Angle crushed Reid in the rurals, winning some counties 2-1 or better.

But here's the opportunity of NV-02: Washoe.  Washoe County used to be reliably Republican, but that started changing when Bill Clinton carried both Washoe and the overall state in both his campaigns, then Bush only carrying Washoe by single digits in both his campaigns (and his 2004 margin was less than half his 2000 margin), then Obama surprising everyone with his double digit Washow (and overall Nevada) win in 2008.

And this year, even though Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron Angle used to represent suburban Washoe in The Assembly and still lives there, Reid carried Washoe 50-45.

Angle will be most definitely vulnerable if she runs again. She's likely dead meat if she manages to win the NV-Sen GOP nomination again (a la Christine O'Donnell). But since the new NV-02 will likely have absolutely no Clark County precincts, Angle won't have to worry about "Lib'rul Vegas!" doing her in like we did with this year's Senate race. But then again since the new NV-02 may also have to cede some rural territory to the new NV-03 (again, Rep.-elect Joe Heck wants a safer seat, and any sort of workable budget/redistricting grand bargain will likely involve a more GOP friendly NV-03 in exchange for a brand new Dem friendly NV-04), Washoe may end up being a bigger factor in NV-02 than it was in the last decade.

So beating Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrron Angle in NV-02 won't be as easy as defeating her statewide, but it may very well be possible in 2012.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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MN-Gov
Minnesota's Supreme Court denies Tom Emmer's petition to delay tomorrow's election certification.

http://www.startribune.com/pol...

We will still have to go through a recount but at least the recount will start on time.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


Obviously
Dayton will win but what are the chances he doesn't get sworn in until after he is supposed to? If so how later? I suppose it doesn't matter much as the legislator has already said they wouldn't be stupid enough to take advantage of the situation and ram through Pawlenty's Presidential platform. Still I'd like to see Dayton in there on time.  

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I go back and forth
One day I think Dayton is sure to be sworn in on time and the next day I think Republicans may just be crazy enough to try and stall for as long as possible. It would be political suicide for Republicans to try and steal a couple extra months for Pawlenty, but I wonder if the saner heads in Republican party can control the teabaggers.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

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Snowe.
I really have to say I have no idea why Snowe is acting so blatantly opportunistic with the health care law suit. Is anyone convinced that after she voted for the Health Care bill in committee that she really thinks its unconstitutional? The whole point to the vote in committee is to bring a preliminary bill to the floor for debate, amendment, etc.; if she didn't want the mandate in the bill, then why did she vote to bring it out of committee? Dems had enough votes to do so without her vote, so she still could've brought an amendment stripping the mandate out of the final bill once it got to the floor. I don't mean to be rude, by are Maine Democrats really so naive and gullible that they really believe she's acting out of good faith anymore? It would seem to me that a competent Maine Democrat running for Senate would just need to say this on the stump to get attention:

-Olympia Snowe voted for the stimulus, but only after it was lowered to an arbitrary lower amount then the initial size. And why? "It needs to be lower to get Republican support." But Senator: You're a Republican, and YOU voted for it? Why did you think it had to be lower.
-Olympia Snowe said she wanted a health care bill, and voted for one out of committee that had an individual mandate in it. Then she voted to declare the bill she voted out of committee for unconstitutional, and says now that she wanted to "start debate." Senator, why would you knowingly vote for something she thinks is unconstitutional? You said:

"When history calls, history calls."

But later said:

"My vote today is my vote today. It doesn't foretell what my vote will be tomorrow."

Why oh why, Maine, do you keep sending such good people to the house, but such mealymouthed spineless doorstops to the Senate. Isn't time we had a senator who can actually express a coherent set of beliefs? Vote for GENERIC DEMOCRAT JOHN/JANE DOE, 2012.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)


20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


See
I like moderate Republicans in states we would have a hard time winning and where they could be much more conservative. SC, AK (I guess I would count Murk as moderate, IDK), IN, UT (see Alaska). They are courageous for doing what they think is right despite taking a lot of flack for it. But people like Snowe and Brown are just moderate because they have to be. They have no choice in the matter. They'll throw us a couple of bones and many Maine Democrats will take that bone over a very viable alternatives. Heck Collins isn't even that moderate.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I don't usually agree with Barry Goldwater...
And I don't agree with him on the issue of extremism having any inherent virtue politically, but I do agree that moderation in the name of virtue isn't a virtue at all if it doesn't have any inherent value. Someone like Chet Edwards or Bart Gordon on the Democratic side or Richard Lugar or... well I can't think of any other Republicans I like, but someone whose willing to fight either their state/district's inherent conservatism/extremism in the case of the first two, or use their safe incumbency to be a statesman on certain matters that shouldn't be partisan like the Supreme Court or arms control like Lugar are fine. But politicians like Snowe, Collins (who I agree isn't that moderate), Lieberman and my lovely Michigan's own Rick Snyder do NOTHING for me. Heck, at least Bill Nelson has the excuse that he represents friggin' Neraska. Nebraska for gods sakes. Give the guy a break if he isn't the second coming of Paul Wellstone.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Wrong Nelson
Bill is Florida, Ben is Nebraska.

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[ Parent ]
Good, the Night of Stupid Typing Mistakes.
Thanks.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
I heard...
From someone I know who interned for a Republican congresswoman last year that there's some tension between Sens. Snowe and Collins. Apparently Collins feels - and remember, I've heard this all secondhand from someone who heard it secondhand herself, and the Hill is always rife with gossip - like Snowe gets too much credit and media billing as the moderate Republican from Maine, and that Collins should get more credit for being willing to cross the party line.

It all mostly amounts to smoke and mirrors, since neither Snowe nor Collins have been much help during the 111th Congress. At least they'll probably vote for New START ratification and DADT repeal.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
I
love third hand gossip. Honestly though I think Snowe is much more moderate than Collins. Just my view though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I think so
Collins is much more conservative at heart. I think she votes a little more moderately than she thinks, while I think Snowe votes a little more conservatively than she thinks.  

[ Parent ]
When Snowe was in the House...
Was her voting record much more liberal/conservative/moderate/Kenyan Anti-colonialist then it is now? I'd be curious to know if anyone knows how she voted on important matters during the Reagan/Bush 41 administrations. She seems to have a pattern of voting against Republican presidents (see Medicare Part-D) on important votes, but being a reliable foot soldier while they're popular, and cooperating with Democrats only on things like judges and some social issues. I'm actually surprised she voted for financial reform/the stimulus.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)


20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Tensions between them are well known
Other than Landrieu-Vitter, this is one of the better known rivalries between same-state senators.  

[ Parent ]
Close runner up.
McConnell and Bunning. They DESPISE each other. I don't think Paul and the tortoise will have a much better relationship.  

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[ Parent ]
Yes
That is the other one from a Fix article awhile back. They listed Vitter-Landrieu, Bunning-McConnell, and Snowe-Collins.  

[ Parent ]
I wonder
how well Rand Paul will get along with the Democrat we will hopefully elect in 2014 to replace McConnell.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I wonder
How well he will get along with Trey Greyson when McConnell retires and Greyson succeeds him.

[ Parent ]
You mean
the Trey Grayson who lost the primary to Rand freakin' Paul by over 20 points, or a different Trey Grayson?

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[ Parent ]
You actually expect Kentucky voters
to elect a Democrat for the Senate? On what basis? Your magical voter registration, right? All I can say is, Prove it! And until then, let's be reasonable in our predictions.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I said
hopefully. I thought that gave it away that I wasn't making a prediction but saying, essentially, it'd be nice if we could win, or at least have a shot.

I'll admit, it's an uphill battle, but McConnell's margin of victory dropped about 12 points from 2002 to 2008. Maybe that was mostly the better environment for the Democrats and/or a bad year for the Republicans for any number of reasons. Maybe it was because the Democrats actually threw some resources at the race, which they probably didn't do in 2002 nearly as much, if at all. I can't say, if only because I don't know much about Kentucky politics, but I do know that if Dick Durbin saw a drop like that, coming from a state that is probably every bit as blue as Kentucky is red, the Republicans would surely think about trying to make the race competitive. We should do the same.

If nothing else, let's talk some numbers. In 2002, McConnell got 731,679 votes, while his Democratic opponent, Lois Combs Weinberg, got 399,634. In 2008, the number of voters increased from 1,131,313 to 1,800,821. McConnell went up to 953,816, while  Bruce Lunsford 847,005. As I said, I'm not sure why those voters showed up, nor am I sure how many, if any, switched from McConnell in 2002 to Lunsford in 2008. But that's a pretty significant chunk of votes. It wasn't enough to produce a win, but it seems large enough to do something but assume it can never happen again.

As for my "magical voter" registration, I am not sure it'd make a difference in Kentucky. It certainly wouldn't hurt, but my first guess is that the money might be better spent in some other states. For one thing, there simply aren't as many demographic changes happening like there are in states in the Southwest. Nor are there probably nearly as many minority voters who are already living there but who aren't registered and don't turn out--the untapped pool of voters, if you will. And the state appears to be towards the higher end when it comes to political participation, and the people that are already voting seem to lean heavily one way.

Just in case it wasn't obvious, by the way, the same can't be said for states like Georgia or Texas. There are a lot of voters that aren't registered that could be turned out once they are registered and/or there are demographic changes happening, and not just amongst minority voters, that makes the states likely to be competitive very, very soon, although how soon is uncertain. I've consistently made that clear when I talk about this stuff, just as I have made clear that this stuff won't make a difference if the Democrats are down by huge margins.



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Thanks for your detailed response
I will only say that I am not hopeful about Kentucky, considering that they voted for Bunning, McConnell, and Paul in the last three elections. Should the Democrats try again? Of course! But to be hopeful is pretty difficult.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Not really.
As I've said, or indicated, these things basically move in tandem with one another. You can always turn more voters out, but for it to make a difference, your side has to have somewhat favorable conditions, whether you think it's because voters from your side might stay home or because voters from the other side might come out. If 2014 is a bad year for us, it's unlikely that we will be competitive in Kentucky, but you never know.

Maybe a better example is 2004. I don't think anyone expected the race as to be as close as it was until very late in the game, unlike the Senate race in Florida. Even if they did, Daniel Mongiardo wasn't exactly a known quantity in the state when he replaced Patton. Bush carried Kentucky by 20 points, but Mongiardo almost came close to unseating Bunning. Maybe people were just really, really tired of Bunning, but whatever the case, they weren't absolutely opposed to voting for a Democrat. He still lost, probably because it wasn't a great year for Democrats, but regardless, people still voted for one while voting for a Republican in a red state. This doesn't mean they will simply do it again, but it's been shown that we can get close enough that, with a few more things going in our favor, it's possible to secure a win--not necessarily likely, but certainly not impossible.



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
From my viewpoint
The fact that Kentuckians voted for a man who was not only an extremist but may have been literally a bit deranged and then by a wide margin for another extremist makes it very unlikely that they will soon elect a Democrat for U.S. Senate. I won't say it's impossible, but I will say if I were a betting man, I'd bet against it by 20-1 odds.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Who are these extremists?
One is Rand Paul, but who is the other?

And as much Rand Paul's election disappoints me, it doesn't exactly surprise me. It is a red state, and it was a Republican year.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Mike Lee?


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Kentuckians, not Utahns


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[ Parent ]
Bunning


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[ Parent ]
Well, he was almost defeated the last time.
He won by about one percent in a Republican year in a state where Bush won by 20 points. That's hardly a resounding victory. There were quite a few voters that decided to vote for Bush but then for the Dr. Dan in 2004, just as there were quite a few voters that decided to vote for McCain but then vote for Lunsford in 2008, so again, it's not as if people are absolutely opposed to voting for a Democrat.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
The fact that he won even a narrow victory
was very dispiriting and reflected extremely poorly on the voters in Kentucky.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Well, when did you last see a moderate
(comparable with Snowe or even Collins) elected in Indiana, Utah or other similar state? I can't remember anyone since 1970 at least. Obviously, republican moderates from New England will always be more moderate then from, say, Utah - both because they, as you statd, "have to be" (generally these New England states have substantially more liberal political tradition the Utah or Indiana) and also because there is  (because of the same tradition) much greater pool of moderate politicians and candidates in, say, Maine then Indiana. And if we take into consideration that Maine or, for Example, New Hampshire, are not nearly so liberal overall as, say, Connecticut - i don't see anything bad in people like Snowe representing it.

Can Democrats do better? Sometimes - surely yes, sometimes - no. And, as Mitchell's experience in Maine and Lynch's in NH shows - moderate liberals (Lynch, who even signs a "Pledge" every 2 years) are often better for Democrats even in these states then "ideologycally pure" (Mitchell-style) candiddates...


[ Parent ]
I'm
not looking for purism but I don't think it's so far off to want an actual dem in a dem leaning state. I would be fine with say Coulter or Michaud. It just annoys me that fellow dems drink the "well their moderate" cool aide and would vote for them over serious opposition. Lugar is endangered because he is slightly moderate. I'd say he's to the left of Collins, yes. He doesn't have to be moderate, he does it by choice. Snowe and Collins have to be.  

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[ Parent ]
Same with Wayne Gilchrest
they're a lot different from, say, Snowe/Collins or Cao.

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[ Parent ]
Disagree. But let's honestly disagree))))


[ Parent ]
UT-Gov Scott Matheson served in the '80s
and I suggest that Jim Huntsman was also a moderate R, at least by UT standards.

[ Parent ]
As far as i know Matheson was a Democrat
and "by Utah standards" isn't the same as "by Maine's (or Vermont's) standards".... Those who are considered "moderate" in Utah would be referred to as "solid conservatives" in Vermont, Rhode Island, Massachusetts and even slightly more conservative Maine..

[ Parent ]
I did not understand your criteria, n/t


[ Parent ]
Well, it's simple
Moderate Republican would be generally fiscal conservative (but supportive of some role for the government in regulation of economy), pro-environment, pro-education, most likely - pro-choice and pro-civil unions. But he (or she) must NOT be obligatory pro-labor, for example...

[ Parent ]
Well by that standard
Huntsman fits 4 out of 5 of those criteria.

(I did not understand that you were limiting the characterization to Rs.)

In addition, I think ND-Sen elect John Hoeven bears watching.


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He is a former Democrat )))
Well, i simply wanted to say that Dianne Feinstein, for example, is  frequently considered a "conservative" by California Democratic party standards. But, by, say, Louisiana's or Mississippi's Democratic party standards - she would be very liberal and would have considerable difficulties winning Democratic primary there...

[ Parent ]
I did not understand your criteria, n/t


[ Parent ]
Huntsman? Coats?
They're not exactly uber-conservative.

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But surely both are substantially conservative then Snowe
Yes, we must take into accoubt state's traditions (the same is true for Democrats, by the way - candidate, who is considered "conservative" in California or New York, may be "outspoken liberal" for Louisiana or Alabama)))), but still - ...

[ Parent ]
Disagree about Huntsman
As he supports civil unions -- and efforts to reduce global warming. But there's no certainty w/r/t a paper trail, as he has not served in Congress. Nevertheless, he's clearly also an internationalist, given his service as Ambassador to China under President Obama.  

[ Parent ]
But he is pro-life, while Snowe (or Brown) - generally pro-choice
The comparison here may be very multi-faceted.. But i think nobody stands close to the "most liberal Republican of the country" - Michael Bloomberg: pro-choice, pro-gay marriage and so on)))))

[ Parent ]
Is Bloomberg still an R?
Or has he changed parties again? I have trouble keeping up with him. If he runs for President in '12, I doubt he'd even try to get though the R primaries.

[ Parent ]
Surely he will not
Well, Republican party supported him in his last mayoral campaign, so he is, probably, a Republican....

[ Parent ]
Hayley Barbour's
assertion that Bloomberg would steal a lot of votes from the Republican candidate in 2012 if he ran were, to put it mildly, utterly bizarre. I like Bloomberg, so I don't mean this as an insult, but the guy is basically a liberal Democrat who changed his affiliation to get elected. Unless there's a large chunk of Republicans in swing states that are dying to vote for a businessman, what sort of appeal will he have to their party?  

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[ Parent ]
MT-Gov: Hill Leads Bullock by 10
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...
They also find Schweitzer as one of the most popular govs.

Gov. Schweitzer...
The man needs to run for president. One of the smartest and savviest governors in the country, a refreshing mixture of Goldwater-style candor and Hatfield-style personability, a moderate profile that defies both "San Francisco liberal" and "Blue Dog DINO" labels, and a portfolio of issue stances that coincide almost perfectly with my own. Oh, and he speaks fluent Arabic.

He's one of about three people in the country, the others being Gov.-elect Lincoln Chafee and Gov.-elect John Kitzhaber, for whom I'd vote in a presidential election without the slightest reservations or concerns that they would be overwhelmed or corrupted by Washington.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
Challengers to Scott Brown
Can anyone list every person who's been speculated to challenge Scott Brown? I know it's a long list...

I got it started above
I listed most of the big names in my comment further upthread. In addition to those, there's also Steve Pagliuca, the Bain Capital guy who spent millions to finish last in the 2010 primary; Marty Meehan, the ex MA-05 Rep. who already declined; and assorted mayors whose names I forget. But the names to keep track of are Capuano, Lynch, Markey, Patrick, Tierney and maybe Alan Khazei.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
I'll add Mayor Setti Warren of Newton
Mayor Warren has said his "intent" is to serve out his term, which ends in January 2014, but he hasn't formally ruled out a bid and he's been working to build up his statewide profile with public hits on Sen. Scott Brown.

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[ Parent ]
I bet Jack E. Robinson primaries Brown
He's a Tea Party favorite and was the '00 GOP nominee vs. Ted Kennedy.

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[ Parent ]
Robinson
tea party favorite? I've never heard that. That guy is to the left of many Mass dems. He is pro-choice and pro gay marriage. I seem to remember him taking a lot of moderate stances. I doubt he could challenge Brown from the right.  

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[ Parent ]
Scott Brown is pro-choice too.


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[ Parent ]
I'm
not so sure he's always held that position. I seem to remember him having a different website during the primary and I am pretty sure it said nothing about him being pro-choice, it listed his opposition to late term and making it harder to get an abortion but I am serious when I say it had nothing about him being pro-choice but it highlighted it during the GE. Though it didn't directly say he was pro-life.  

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[ Parent ]
He's in that "grey area" on abortion
He does not think Roe v. Wade should be overturned, but generally votes to place restrictions on abortion (parental notification, state funding, etc.) I'm not sure about the primary, because no one paid any attention to it (that's how weak a candidate Robinson is), but he had the endorsements of pro-life groups in the general because Martha Coakley is the 100% NARAL, Emily's List type of pro-choice.

You can characterize Brown as either pro-life or pro-choice, but he probably couldn't have won if he was explicitly pro-life. Support of Roe v. Wade is important in Massachusetts.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
HAha
Robinson, a Tea Party favorite? Robinson describes himself as a Progressive Republican. Tea Partiers supported Brown over Robinson in the 2009 primary.  

[ Parent ]
Gotcha
For some reason, I was always under the impression he ran to Brown's right.  

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[ Parent ]
Robinson is a perennial candidate
He almost finished third (to the Libertarian) when he ran in 2000, getting 13% to Kennedy's 73%. Brown beat him 88-12 in the primary in 2009.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
if this hasnt been done already
name candidates you've crossed party lines to vote for, or supported if you were too young to vote.
This cannot be for ethical reasons.
You can list whether you regret it or not.

My list: Lincoln Chafee in 2000, Arnold in 2006. Bush in 2000 (I was in 2nd grade and wanted to be different from my parents)

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I can think of one
 Ed Emmett for Houston County supervisor.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Harris County Judge*
Houston county is far, far away from the city of Houston.

It's called "Judge" in Texas. ;-)

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


[ Parent ]
Sorry
 I should have been a bit more careful with the county names.  

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17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
I used to live in Alabama, and I never would even consider voting for Jeff Sessions.
I thought about Shelby in '04, but ultimately, he's too much of a douche. And I certainly never voted for Terry Everett.

I would vote for Cao, Voinovich, Castle Lugar, and Tom Campbell (if he had run for governor, I like Boxer too much, and replacing him with Feinstein is not appropriate either)  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


[ Parent ]
Edwin Edwards
I was too young to vote, but I remember thinking how crazy it was that family members supported David Duke over Edwards. Now, is this for ethical reasons since it was crossing party lines to vote for a crook?  

[ Parent ]
I
started out life as a very conservative dem. Would have voted McCain had he been the nominee. Would have regretted it very much. I've gotten much more liberal as life has gone on. Will vote Lugar in 2012. Voted R on some local races before. I don't care if my coroner or county assessor is a dem or repub, who cares? Almost voted Daniels just because I hate JLT. I would vote for Bob Corker, Lindsey Graham, and that rep from SC that lost re nomination. I'm probably missing some. Assuming they didn't have serious opposition of course. I'm a pretty straight D for the most part.  

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[ Parent ]
Oh
and I rooted for Chafee this year but I don't think that really counts.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
What exactly has Bob Corker done to make you want to vote for him?


28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
Wouldn't
vote for him if he had serious opposition but I like him and would if he only had token opposition. He's moderate-ish and not totally against working with us from time to time.  

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[ Parent ]
That Rep. from South Carolina
you are referring to is Bob Inglis, I think.  He's certainly a very conservative guy, but he's been pretty good on the climate change stuff. He's made the very accurate point that ignoring the issue and letting other countries leap ahead of us technologically gives them an economic advantage as well. And if that is not enough to make make businesses take this seriously, I don't know what is. (I don't think it's economically xenophobic to want us to at least be able to go toe to toe with China on this stuff.) I have no idea if he wants to reenter politics at some point, but if he's open to the idea, Obama should try to use him to reach out to the conservatives on this issue. Nobody would confuse him for a moderate based on his voting record, or so I read, and he could be effective in showing that it's an issue that should cross the left-right divide.

There's a certain level of phoniness in trying to appoint members of the opposing party to certain spots, but in some cases, it actually makes sense. I think this could be one of then.  

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[ Parent ]
Let me see
Note: I'm from NJ.

In 2000, I was rooting for John McCain to win the primary (not sure if I would have supported him in the general, but who knows).  I was only 10-11 then.

Let's see, I liked our interim Gov. of NJ after Whitman left, DiFrancesco (for reasons I can't recall).

And if I lived in NY, unless someone ran for the D's who I was really psyched about, I would have voted for Bloomberg.

Even though he's gone now, I would have gladly voted for State Sen. Bill Baroni (the only GOP state senator to vote for marriage equality and who was very likeable).

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[ Parent ]
I voted Linda Parks for Ventura County Supervisor
The board of supervisors is officially non-partisan, but it's common knowledge what the members party affiliations are.

Connie Morella was someone I would have voted for.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.


[ Parent ]
My first actual campaign
was for John Anderson in '80.

Locally, I'd vote for Tom McCall if he were still around. I would have considered Tom Campbell carefully if he ran while I was in CA. If I was still in NC after Walter Jones came out against the Iraq war, I would have voted for him too.  


[ Parent ]
My grandmother voted for Anderson.
She's conservative, but she couldn't stand Reagan.

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[ Parent ]
Voted
for Abel Maldonado and Steve Cooley this year for Lt. Gov and Attorney General respectively.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
ditto
I identify as indy but I've voted Dem for president every time since I was first eligible in 1988. On downballot races I've voted Reep too may times to list. For senator or governor, I voted for Pete Wilson in 1988, John Engler in 1998, and Spencer Abraham in 2000. I also voted (McCain) in the Republican presidential primary in 2000.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
I'm from NJ
Turned 18 in 2004.

Haven't really had the opportunity to vote for any Democrat.

John Adler seems to be a pretty reasonable guy. He's certainly more knowledgeable on the issues than Runyan was. But you can't really pull a level for a D for the House with Obama in the White House, imo.


[ Parent ]
I've voted for several Republicans
for the Windsor Heights (suburb of Des Moines) city council and the West Des Moines school board.

In the 1990s I used to vote for our moderate, pro-choice state representative and senator, because they rarely had a Democratic opponent, and they were ok people. I haven't voted Republican for a state office in a very long time, and I don't think I have ever voted for a Republican for a federal office.


[ Parent ]
Future race
I see some people mentioning future races, so I will mention one. In 2011, unless his opponent is a rising star in the LA GOP, I will vote for AG Buddy Caldwell for re-election. If he's still a Democrat in a year.  

[ Parent ]
Do you think Caldwell has any sort of future in the Louisiana Democratic Party?
I know party loyalty is a rather tenuous concept for Louisiana Democrats in the last few years, but being the token Democratic Attorney General to join in on McCollum and Cox's lawsuit seems to have been a pretty dumb political move (can't believe he couldn't get Mississippi or Arkansas' to do so also) from a base perspective, especially since he was basically rebuking the state's most powerful Dem, Landrieu, when he did it. Is there any realistic chance he moves up if he stays with the Democrats?

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
No
He's 64 years old already. Opposing HCR did not kill Melancon with the Dem party. I doubt he moves up either way, and I think he will stay AG for as long as he wants. However, I do think there is a chance he loses re-election if he stays a Dem, since it will probably be a low info election and LA is voting for R's now if they don't know the candidates.  

[ Parent ]
Thanks.
Though voting against health care seems a little different hen going to court to assert that you violated the consitution. As far as I know, Gene Taylor was the only Democratic congressman to join the Republic suit (though Mike McIntyre did that weird thing where he prayed the bill wouldn't pass, then said he wouldn't vote to repeal it?!?)

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
I voted for Chafee this year.
Bet that doesn't count, huh? :( But aside from that I've only voted for Democrats since I turned 18 in 2008.

I might have voted for Chafee in 2000 had I been old enough, especially because Bob Weygand is a huge meh. Definitely not in 2006 though.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
What do you mean by "meh"?
I only ask because his wife is one of my mom's best friends from her childhood. She's going to his son's wedding in a few weeks.


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[ Parent ]
Pro-life for one thing
for another, from what I know about him he just seems like Generic RI Conservadem. I prefer politicians who are fairly progressive and not into machine politics.

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[ Parent ]
Having undergone a recent change in partisan loyalties,
it's hard to say. When I voted for Jim Webb in 2006, that was cross-party based on my political identity then. But it was really just the firstfruits of my party shift, which Obama solidified over the course of the primary season.

At the time I voted for Obama in the Virginia primary, he was my third choice amongst the then-viable-ish candidates. My preference order then was Huckabee (or at least the idea of Huckabee, if not the actual person) -> McCain -> Obama -> Clinton -- and I was really opposed to Clinton. But as the campaign went on, Obama's intelligence and character won me over (and McCain's -- and Palin's -- apparent lack thereof lost me entirely.)

I've pretty much always been a straight-ticket voter otherwise (for whichever party I associated myself with). I voted against Moran on ethics grounds while voting for Webb and Obama.

I'm from the Detroit suburbs (originally and now again recently). If I had been of voting age and living in Detroit proper at the time, I would have been an enthusiast of Mayor Dennis Archer -- at least, I remember having an extremely good opinion of him at the time.

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[ Parent ]
I guess I've actually voted for about equal Republicans and Democrats
'08:
U.S. House - Steck (I)
NY Supreme Court - Carpinello

'10:
U.S. Senate - DioGuardi (and Schumer)
U.S. House - Phillips
AG - Donovan
Comptroller - Wilson

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[ Parent ]
I guess I've actually voted for about equal Republicans and Democrats
'08:
U.S. House - Steck (I)
NY Supreme Court - Carpinello

'10:
U.S. Senate - DioGuardi (and Schumer)
U.S. House - Phillips
AG - Donovan
Comptroller - Wilson

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[ Parent ]
Tony Peraicia, for Cook County President, 2006
A Republican, and a conservative to boot!

Anyone else posting from Cook County will understand my reasoning. ;)

27, Democratic, IL-01


[ Parent ]
I am less acquainted with Cook County politics than I should be but
is it because he was running against Todd Stroger?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Zogby Interactive: Obama Falls to 39%
http://zogby.com/news/ReadNews...

Among independents, match-ups between Obama and Republicans Romney, Gingrich, Palin and Bush are very close. Versus all of these hypothetical opponents except Bloomberg, Obama draws between 36% and 39% of independents. He beats Bloomberg among independents, 26%-12%, but 49% of independents would choose neither. Obama beats Trump with independents, 36%-29%.

That one is going to sting.


Zogby Interactive...
is so bad I can't decide whether their polling is funny or just pathetic. Especially because once-upon-a-time you could actually take Zogby polls seriously.

20, GOP, NH-02

[ Parent ]
Sad to see how far they've fallen...
In the 90's, Zogby wsa the gold standard.  Their presidential polls were spot on.  I used to always look for the Zogby polls first in the newspaper (yes, a newspaper--how quaint!) every week, 'cos the other polls were pure garbage.

Then he predicted Kerry to win and it all went severely downhill from there.


[ Parent ]
Why can't he just revamp the whole polling firm.
They should really get up to snuff and earn their respect back.

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[ Parent ]
There is at least one rule to observe in politics:
Zogby is always wrong; always. He is a complete charlatan.

Zogby Interactive is even worse--if that's possible.  


[ Parent ]
This.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Independents Are Not Necessarily Moderates
Keep in mind that self-described "independents" are not necessarily moderates. A lot of "Tea Party" folk are disaffected Republicans who now say they're independent. The political makeup of the independent faction may have changed substantially over the past few years, so Obama's slide among that group may not be as significant as the poll numbers would indicate.

[ Parent ]
I
wouldn't get too excited there skipper. It's a zogby. Not only a zogby but a zogby interactive.  

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[ Parent ]
Zogby has sucked since 2004.
I remember their polls being way off in 2004 and 6.

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[ Parent ]
Yeah
It's not that I don't like the numbers. They could have a 45 percent (what I think it probably is) and I wouldn't pay attention to it. They suck and do not deserve attention.  

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[ Parent ]
Hmm
Thanks. I thought liberals liked Zogby.

[ Parent ]
Zogby is trash. It has nothing to do with ideology, party, race, gender, age, sexual orientation, or breakfast cereal preference.
It's simply a fact.

[ Parent ]
I remember this when I frequented Election Projection back in 05/early 06.
http://www.electionprojection....

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[ Parent ]
Pajamas boy wins
Solomon Ortiz has conceded to Blake Farenthold
http://www.politico.com/news/s...

Pajama
boy would have my vote if he forms the "Congressional Pajama wearing, pillow fighting" caucus.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
That caucus is samller now that Pete Domenici is gone n/t.


CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

[ Parent ]
election results
does anyone know where to find good, preferably quick election results for judicial elections other than secretary of state pages?  these pages aren't that good and don't go back very far, if at all.  I'm looking for results in partisan and non partisan judicial elections going back to 1990.  any help is appreciated.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

Relax everyone, David Brock's new group
to be chaired by. . .Kathleen Kennedy Townsend, the original Martha Coakley!  

Oh god
This can't end well.

21,Democrat, NY-02, male

[ Parent ]
How strange.
I was just thinking of her tonight when someone brought up Martha Coakley. I mean, as awful as Coakley's campaigning was, was it really that much worse than Townsend's?

Anyway, she's been on the advisory council for what used to be ACORN and on the board of directors for the Center for American Progress, so it's not like she's a novice at this stuff. And plus, she's affiliated with the Kennedys, she has taught in a bunch of places and worked in the Clinton administration, among other things, so it looks like she's pretty well connected. She seems to be a dreadful candidate, but she could very well be someone who does well at the behind-the-scenes stuff.  

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[ Parent ]
MS-LT-GOV: Childers?
Travis Childers's name is being thrown out as a potential contender.

http://nems360.com/pages/capit...

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


Good. Probably doesn't have anything better to do anyways.
MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)

[ Parent ]
That's good, right?
The guy is a great campaigner and is also prospectively the next MS Dem Party Chairman.

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[ Parent ]
Would be a good move
He's one the defeated House members that still has good potential.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Kamala Harris up by 51,886 votes
Los Angeles County reported more today according to the Secretary of State.

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Keep it up, Kamala.
This is all awesome news.

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[ Parent ]
And under half a million votes to go.
Hopefully this will be all done by the weekend.

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LOL! MI-Gov
Gov-elect Snyder and the base are already all over each other.  His pick for state party GOP chair is another business-type...who just so happen has donated money to Nancy Pelosi and some other state Dems:

Some party members are concerned about thousands of dollars in campaign donations Schostak has made to Democrats, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, former Vice President Al Gore, Gov. Jennifer Granholm, U.S. Sens. Carl Levin and Debbie Stabenow, and U.S. Rep. Carolyn Cheeks Kilpatrick.

http://www.detnews.com/article...

Bwahaha!!

Now, the local Dem money could be explained away by the fact that he's a Metro Detroit developer, so he has to work with Democrats, but the donations to Nancy Pelosi are just delicious.


This was to be expected
Bob Schostak is a good guy and a great fundraiser for the party as Finance Chair, but Snyder should've known that it would bug the base. I kinda half-thought he'd see that and nominate someone like Mike Bishop, who's respected by both the conservative base and the establishment.

I still think Schostak will pull through (although it depends on the composition of the convention electorate), but he'll definitely have an opponent, probably a serious one. I'm not all that worried unless some random firebreather wins. The state party chair's only real job is to shut up and raise money (and put out the occasional press release).


[ Parent ]
Saul
Saul Anuzis and Betty Devos must have missed that memo about keeping their mouths shut. lol  Schostak will be in good recent company.  The current party chair, Weiser, it another business/corporatist Republican.

Oh, Schostak won't have any problem pulling through, just like Brian Calley didn't have any real trouble.  Truth is, at least here in Michigan, the Tea Party's bark is FAR more worse than their bite.


[ Parent ]
Would Snyder have chosen him if he didn't think he had the votes?
Because if he didn't, seems like a pretty pointless fight to pick with the base.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Delightful.
And the Schizophrenic Snyder Sell0ut (SSS) Crisis begin to accelerate! I love what the Snyder spokesman says:

"Bill Nowling, a spokesman for Snyder, said Schostak's relatively small number of donations to Democrats is a nonissue.

'I don't know anybody in business in Michigan or around the country who hasn't given to someone from outside the party from time to time,' he said."

From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/201...

Try pretty much every politician elected above the position of drain commissioner in Michigan.

Question: Do any Dems, left-leaning independents actually think this is a good thing, because I really don't know what to think of it.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Wha?
How would it be a bad thing?  What are you, some kind of Republican, because your constant concern trolling is just bizarre.  We get a Republican elected, inevitably this year, and you seemed to be pissed that he's not a Democrat.  Get over it.

[ Parent ]
What?
How is being upset that a Democrat didn't win (which isn't concern trolling; if you lose, you try to find bright spots in the other candidate's records/positions, and adjust for the future) tantamount to being a Republican? That doesn't make sense. If you think my posts are all about trolling, then I'm sorry that you feel that way, but that's not my intent. You seem to feel that about my Snyder posts, which if they appear to be too pessimistic/concern trollish, then I apologize for any of the irritation it may cause people on the thread, but unless you feel that ALL my posts on SSP are like this (and I don't just post on Snyder), it's going a little overboard to accuse me of being a Republican troll just for my expressed opinions on one matter.

If it clarifies things for you, I voted for Bernero (reluctantly) in the Democratic primary and less reluctantly in the general. Since we are all, functionally, independents in Michigan, I would've voted for Snyder if I thought he was the better candidate, but I didn't even feel he was the best REPUBLICAN candidate. If I was forced to have voted in the Republican primary, I would've voted for Tom George if he had been competitive, but since he wasn't I would've voted for Pete Hoekstra, who is not as bad on issues like labor and taxation as Snyder is. I didn't like the fact that Bernero gave off the impression of a career hopper, so if George (who, discolure, is my state senator and a nice guy who actually cares about finding consensus in our diverse state, though his position on the stem cell initiative from a few years ago was a little harsh) had been the Republican nominee, then I might have voted for him. And if he said the same things Snyder is saying and doing the same things Snyder is doing, I'd still be upset! I like Snyder's positions on the environment, stem cell research and agree that we should lower our business tax (though I would hike income taxes instead of instituting a flat income tax like he wants to do, or do sales/luxury taxes like Engler did), and like that he appointed Dems to the state Treasurer post and a former environmental lobbyist to be his COS. I even like how he brought in Postuhumus to be advise him, seeing as how Snyder seems awfully pie-in-the-sky with his comments so far (especially with his comment about going to intransigent legislator's districts and calling them out by name, which seemed both naive and arrogant to me), and could use a little grounding in the ways of Lansing. But since Republicans completely control the state now, I don't see any reason Dems should "get over" the fact that they lost. It's not demonizing or concern trolling someone to point out that their rhetoric does not match their opinions or policies. Demonizing someone is to be the guy who posts links to some Drudge-baiting story about how you heard that a politician "might" had a crack-fueled fling with a tobacco lobbyist. But accepting what are obvious contradictions in politician's statements keeps them down to earth. The whole emergence of the Cults of Snowe and Bloomberg, and before them people like Hagel and McCain, rested on pointing to someone and saying, "now why can't all politicians be like them."

And in this case, I'm just putting the question out there of whether there's actually anything TO this story at all, because the Republicans that are upset over the person's Democratic donations should really only be wondering whether he can raise money or not, and from a Democratic perspective, is there any upside or downside to having the Republican chairman being someone who is a relative weather vane politically (with a distinct lean in the past towards Democrats)? It might be good if it moderates the state party, but if all it does is convince big Democratic donors in the state, some of who backed Snyder already in the last election, that the Republican party, which hasn't really moderated in the state like Snyder is a relative upgrade over Engler, that the Michigan Republican Party is an okay place to go if your upset with the Dems on Matter A, Matter B, etc. Bernero saw most of his fundraising dry up from groups outside of labor after the primary, and it was a miracle that Schaeur and Peters were able to keep up and outraise their opponents. It seems to me that the moral of the story (which is why  posted the comment from Snyder's spokesman) is that Snyder is trying to remake the state party in his CEO-oriented way of thinking, which is in my personal opinion a flawed model of politics, but is his right as the de-facto leader and spokesman of the Republicans in Michigan. If that wasn't clear from my posting, then once again, sorry. I try, like I assume all poster do on here, to maintain a sense of fairness and clarity in my comments, but having an opinion about something on a comment/opinion/news board is not tantamount to trolling if someone is not just parachuting into people's conversations with random bits on info/opinion or libeling people.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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Honestly
I'm not going to bother reading this.  Brevity is the soul of wit, and your long-winded are tiresome.

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Will he manage to break his fundraising record?


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MT-Sen: Rehberg next Tea Party target?
http://www.politico.com/news/s...
Conservative groups are lining up behind Steve Daines, before Rehberg announces.

Seems stupid.
Even if conservatives aren't happy with Rehburg, Montana has such a deep Republican bench that any number of establishment candidates with better conservative credentials then him will probably jump in. Why come out so early unless they now whether Rehburg is already in the race? Plus, if I was Rehburg, I wouldn't be too concerned about Guns Owners of America, since they're kind of a fringe group. Rehburg voted against TARP, right? It'd be hard to see how if he did run, Daines could really make a hard run against him from the right, since Rehburg seems about as conservative a statewide official going to Washington as can get elected in Montana nowadays.

MI-06 (house), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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No way. Steve Daines only political resume is
being nominee for Lt Gov on a ticket that lost 2-1. And his running mate lost his state senate seat this year. Seriously, in 2010, as a Republican, in Montana.

Rehberg won his 2010 primary against a nutty teabagger who ran TV ads 85-15. There's no way that he falls below 60% of the vote even if multiple opponents get in. If it's only Rehberg-Daines, Rehberg gets 75% easily.

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)


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