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NJ-03: Adler Leads Runyan by 6

by: James L.

Thu Aug 12, 2010 at 8:43 PM EDT


Braun Research for the Rutgers-Eagleton Institute of Politics (8/5-8, registered voters, no trend lines):

John Adler (D-inc): 31
Jon Runyan (R): 25
Peter DeStefano (I): 4
Undecided: 34
Not Voting: 6

John Adler (D-inc): 35
Jon Runyan (R): 28
Undecided: 23
Not Voting: 13
(MoE: ±4.8%)

The eggheads at Rutgers are out this week with a new poll of New Jersey's 3rd CD, the first poll of this race since John Adler released an internal last month claiming a 51-34 lead over the ex-Eagle Runyan, with 12% going to independent teabagger Peter DeStefano. That poll drew howls of protest from the Runyan campaign, who didn't believe that DeStefano, a man who appears to be in the Witness Protection Program (as no one can seem to be able to track him down), could be winning a double digit-sized share of the vote.

Much has been made of the fact that, zomg, Runyan holds a 36-35 lead among those who are "paying the most attention to the campaign", but the more interesting statistic from this poll is that, among those who say they are likely to vote (n=351), Adler holds a 40-30 lead over Runyan -- or a 36-26 lead with DeStefano in the mix. That's the opposite result you'd expect in a year where Republican enthusiasm has been shown to be more intense than that of Democrats, but it's also probably true that Braun wasn't pushing undecideds off the fence with as much force as other pollsters.

My own thoughts on this race are that Adler should've be a pretty appealing target for the GOP to turn into a one-term wonder, but they certainly gave him a fighting chance by relying on a B-list candidate in Runyan to get the job done.

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Name identification
I wonder who has the better name identification numbers, even though Runyan hasn't lived there very long, I am betting that he may have better ID numbers as sad as that may sound.  

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23, Democrat, IA-2


The No on healthcare probably made him harder to target.
The Health Care YES vote really gets the Tea Partiers and such motivated. Without that ammo it is a lot harder to paint Alder as "liberal" or "out of touch". This district is really pretty even politically. There are much more liberal members with similar districts. So Alders moderation lowered him on the target list.  

leads by 6 doesn't mean much if 34 is undecided
Adler will win because Runyan sucks as a candidate.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

Pollster can't help if there are so many undecideds
Although they could lean more heavy like what Scotty Ras does in his polls. So what if Adley wins because Jon Runyan sucks as a candidate. Win's a win in my book. Would you of felt more better if Adler led by six againist someone like State Senator Diane Allen? Be glad he's up Duff.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Is Diane Allen even in running condition?
I haven't heard much about her health for a while but last I heard she was...really not doing well.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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I didn't know she was in bad health
I used her as an example as a top tier candidate she could of been for the GOP had she ran againist Adler. My point is the poster I was responding thinks Adler will skate due to his candidate and so on.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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My thoughts:
Adler was my State Senator before running for the House (I'm from NJ-01).  He's a nice, likable guy.  I don't care for his voting record in the House, though.  Would I vote for him?  Yes.  Would I donate to his campaign?  No, but he's doing fine for funds anyway.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Adler has a lousy record
But it's not Blanche Lincoln lousy.  Dems shouldn't sit on their hands in this one.  I give a slight edge to Adler.

He dosen't have a lousy record
Maybe to you he does because he's a moderate in a moderate district and not some sort of hard progressive. My point is he dosen't have a lousy record and I give him more of a slight edge over Runyan.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Record
Can't comment on the smaller votes, but it seems to me that he voted yes on financial reform, yes on the energy bill, yes on the stimulus, no on the Stupak amendment, and no on health care.

I've seen far worse from party members.


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And there were alot of voters in his district
againist HCR so his no vote makes sense. But your right i've had seen far worse record from party members. The asswipe from OK is a stunning example.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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I think what upsets us...
about Boren is that he sometimes goes out of his way to be a thorn in our side.  If he just simply votes no, then that's that.

Of course, he represents OK-02, where Obama only got 34% of the vote.  That is nowhere near Adler's district, which Obama won with 52%.


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I think what upsets us... about Boren is that he sometimes goes out of his way to be a thorn in our side. If he just simply votes no, then that's that.
Exactly. That's why I have no problem when guys like Bobby Bright and Gene Taylor votes down various pieces of Dem legislation. Because they know there district won't go for it and that they just vote and move on. Ihave no problem with that because you vote your district. Problem with Boren is that he'll vote no on Dem legislation then go on MSNBC and Faux bragging about like he felt proud that he stuck it to Hoyer, Pelosi and Obama. Yeah your right that' exactly what upsets us about guys like Dan Boren.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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This comes up time and time again
Basically he voted against HCR and for everything else. And he'll likely win because of it. I'll be watching closely on election night to see how many who took the same vote survive. I bet there is a correllation. I disagree with the commentary here but the underlying fact is spot-on.

http://politicalwire.com/archi...

And the netroots will hate it but tough. Most online are barking up completely the wrong tree with the idea that only "Blue Dogs" will lose.


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Another tree barking issue
In my opinion, once some of these Blue Dog seats go, they are gone forever.  I don't see us getting back some of these seats.  And even the non-Blue Dog conserva-Dem seats should worry us.

If we lost the Blue Dogs, we narrow our future playing field.

Seats like Chet Edwards, Herseth-Sandlin, Pomeroy, and quite a few others if we lose them its tough to see us getting them back any time soon.  And I don't see the same quantity of Republican held moderate/progressive seats to offset this.

Wishing for Blue Dog/Conserva-Dem losses plays into the GOP hands for future cycles even more than it does right now.


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Wishing for Blue Dog/Conserva-Dem losses plays into the GOP hands for future cycles even more than it does right now
Which is why I don't read most of the netroots except here. Places like OpenLeft and FDL deal in fantasies where in states like ND, WY and MS we can elect Russ Feingold's and Alan Greyson's and if we can then to hell with them. This is the only site of the netroots where members tolerate blue dogs and deal in realities. Question is why? Why here?. They just don't understand Dems like Edwards, Herseth-Sandlin, Taylor, Minnick and Pomeroy are the only type of Dems that can get elected in these types of seats and your right, we lose them we'll never get them back.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Honestly, its probably this simple answer
2 pronged, but to me an easy answer.

1.  We're not allowed to discuss policy.  So you filter out the people with extremist (on either side) views that might push the site towards "crazytown"

2.  This sites members are probably more moderate in every sense of the word.  The ironic thing about that is just how young this site is.  Of course this again assumes younger=more liberal, which I'm not entirely sure of as whole conclusion.

I look at myself as an example.  I voted Libertarian last election.  I'm pro a lot of conservative things and pro a lot of liberal things.

How many posters on other liberal sites are like that.


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Agree
Personally, I'm a partisan not an demagogue.

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You make good points
Were not allowed to discuss policy so the extremeist gets pushed to crazytown like OL, FDL or the diary/comment section of TPM with the likes of purist like Rutabaga Ridgepole (a man who has a obsessed hatred towards Obama and who thinks he's starting a secret youth military), Desidero (a Hillary supporter who still can't get over his candidate losing) and Bluebell (a TPM version of Tek only unlike Tek blue bell is more pessamistic, appears on a daily basis and very annoying).

I don't get the sense that the people on here are moderate. I been on here for two years and analyzing the regulars gets to me the point that the members here are pretty liberal but there not crazy, deal in realities and are pragmatic. You think Pan is a moderate? I don't think he is. I'm moderate on various issues like welfare reform and gun control but I still support various progressive causes and support progressive like Feingold, Boxer and Sanders.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.


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We are allowed to discuss the "horse race" implications of policy
and we are encouraged to root for Ds on this site.

However, it's relatively rare to see attempts to "convince" others on the correctness of a certain policy. Unless such discussions are directed (or re-directed) towards the horse race (which is almost always possible, IMO), it's usually squashed by the moderators.

FWIW, I'm a liberal who will take half a loaf (or even a slice) just about every time -- when the only realistic alternative is nothing.


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Right
And there were others who would deliberately a thread or diary to talk politics like JSmith who would frequently disrupt topics by saying we should of let the banks fail so we could stick it to the GOP. Shit we could be tslking about WY-Gov and he brings this up which is why James kicked him out. People like that are not welcomed because they go againist the core rules of SSP.

And you said this tietack

FWIW, I'm a liberal who will take half a loaf (or even a slice) just about every time -- when the only realistic alternative is nothing.  

Which proves my point that the bulk of SSP regulars are realistic and somewhat pragmatic.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.


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So this Braun Research...
First KY-03, now NJ-03?  Where'd these guys come from, and how reliable are they?

Their sample data is in a completely different format between NJ and KY
In kentucky thy have had three polls, all with samples that were weighted way too heavily with over 50 voters (one at 77% was ridiculous, the other two at about 54% were just quite high but not as absurd).  The NJ data doesn't include the same age breakdown stuff.  It almost seems like a different company did the poll.

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Funny email (kind of)
So earlier this week I got an email from "Carolyn Moloney" with the subject line "An Evening with Jon Runyan! Support a Great Cause!".  I became very confused by this, as I was sure Runyan was a Republican and was wondering why NY-Rep Moloney was supporting Runyan.  Since I've gotten a few perplexing emails from campaigns this summer (Raese for WV Senate, etc), I opened it up.

Turns out "Carolyn Moloney" is the regional director for the Alzheimer's Association (notice she spells Moloney differently than the NY rep) and that Runyan was helping out with a fundraiser.

Crisis averted LOL.



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