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SSP Daily Digest: 7/21

by: Crisitunity

Wed Jul 21, 2010 at 3:45 PM EDT


Election results: Last night's Georgia primary election went pretty much as expected. The main surprise was the collapse of John Oxendine in the GOP gubernatorial primary, who had the most money and led most polls, but his collapse was plainly foreseeable via polls over the last few weeks. He finished fourth, behind Karen Handel and Nathan Deal (who'll advance to the runoff, where the Palin-backed Handel will attack Deal for being corrupt and the Gingrich-backed Deal will attack Handel for being a RINO), and Eric Johnson. Ex-Gov. Roy Barnes locked down the Democratic nomination without a runoff. Labor Comm. Michael Thurmond easily advanced to face GOP incumbent Johnny Isakson in the Senate race.

In the House races, Dems in two of the three potentially competitive races in Georgia know who their opponents will be: Mike Keown in GA-02 and Austin Scott in GA-08 won without runoffs. John Barrow -- who beat back a challenge from the left from Regina Thomas in GA-12 (with a final score of 58-42, as Thomas's Savannah stronghold reported late) -- will need to wait for a runoff between Ray McKinney and Carl Smith. Hank Johnson in GA-04 escaped his three-way primary against Vernon Jones and Connie Stokes without a runoff, too. Finally, two dark-red seats will feature GOP runoffs: GA-09's newly-elected Rep. Tom Graves will face off yet again against Lee Hawkins, who lost the special election, while the GA-07 race features a runoff between Rob Woodall and Jody Hice.

AR-Sen, AR-Gov: That internal poll from Blanche Lincoln didn't seem to do anything to stem the gusher of bad polls. One additional poll came out yesterday, from Ipsos on behalf of Reuters. It finds John Boozman leading Lincoln 54-35. On the plus side, it also looks at the Governor's race and finds that the Zata|3 poll finding only a 9-point lead for incumbent Dem Mike Beebe may have been a bit pessimistic. They find Beebe leading Republican challenger Jim Keet 57-35, more consistent with other polling.

IN-Sen: Brad Ellsworth is out with a new introductory TV ad in the Indiana Senate race. It focuses on his blue collar roots and his experience as Sheriff; there's nary a mention of his time in Congress.

LA-Sen: It turns out David Vitter may actually be a better family-values role model than his newly minted GOP primary opponent. Faulkner character State Rep. Noble Ellington says that Chet Traylor was "significantly involved" in his divorce from his ex-wife Peggy McDowell, who then married Traylor. Traylor is currently romantically involved with the estranged wife of one of his stepsons via McDowell. The two stepsons have also filed a lawsuit against Traylor, accusing him of hiding information about his financial assets, as part of their probate case concerning McDowell's recent death without a will. (If someone wants to call me classist in the comments, please feel free, but I can't help but notice that Traylor's name is a homonym for a certain type of dwelling whose residents are stereotypically and often unfairly associated with such behavior.)

WV-Sen, WV-Gov: As expected (at least as expected since late last night), Shelly Moore Capito announced this morning that she won't run in the Senate special election in November, despite the nice Capito Carveout specifically designed by the legislature to facilitate her doing so. This leaves self-funding businessman John Raese the likely candidate. (In fact, he'd sounded likely to run in the primary with or without Capito, which may have been a major deterrent for Capito. She cited not wanting to run for two things at once, though, and the potential legal challenges to her doing so.) The primary is Aug. 28, so someone will need to fill the gap soon. West Virigina political analyst Hoppy Kercheval seemed to be the first to correctly diagnose the situation earlier yesterday, pointing out her risk-averse past.

There was one surprise, today, though: Joe Manchin drew a primary opponent, theoretically from the left. He was recently in the news for his staunch opposition to Mike Oliverio in WV-01; it's former SoS and former Rep. Ken Hechler. Hechler, by the way, is 95 years old, older even than Robert Byrd was, so, well, take that for what it's worth. Most of the speculation today instead seems to involve what happens with the Governorship. Succession laws aren't very clear (and there's no Lt. Gov.), but apparently State Senate President Earl Ray Tomblin will be acting Governor in the event of a Manchin move to the Senate. The bigger question is when the election to fill that job would occur: in a 2011 special election, or in 2012 when Manchin's term would end anyway? Any discussion of GOP candidates for that begins and ends with Capito, but the Dem list is endless, ranging from temp Sen. Carte Goodwin to SoS Natalie Tennant, but almost certain to include state Treasurer John Perdue and state Sens. Jeff Kessler and Brooks McCabe.

AL-Gov: Following the lead of Artur Davis on the Democratic side, Bradley Byrne finally got around to endorsing Robert Bentley, sticking his knife in his back a few more times along the way for good measure. His parting shot was that Bentley still needs to answer questions about his relationship with the teachers' union, the Alabama Education Association.

CO-Gov: OK, so it's looking like if Scott McInnis does get kicked to the curb, no one is going to rally behind Dan Maes. His vaunted financial small-business acumen turned out to be a lot of inflated boasting, as newly-released tax returns reveal that his credit reporting business turns out to be a small operation and one that paid him earnings that put his family below the poverty line in 2005 and 2008. When asked how he made ends meet, he responded, "there are other ways to pay yourself than salary," without further elaboration. Well, that's true... are those ways legal, though?

HI-Gov: After padding things out as long as he could, Honolulu mayor Mufi Hannemann finally resigned his day job today and launched his gubernatorial campaign in earnest. Hawaii has a "resign to run" law, so Hannemann wasn't officially running until now, despite having been transparently campaigning for many months in the Dem primary against Neil Abercrombie.

MA-Gov: Massachusetts Citizens for Life endorsed ex-Dem indie candidate Tim Cahill, rather than Republican Charlie Baker. Baker, from the moderate blue-blood side of the party, is pro-choice.

NV-Gov (pdf): PPP's Tom Jensen finds it ironic that somehow the Nevada GOP managed to pick the strongest possible Republican for the gubernatorial race and the weakest possible one for the Senate race. The telegenic and inoffensive Brian Sandoval is somehow managing to avoid having his GOP predecessor Jim Gibbons' unpopularity (25/63) rub off on him (Sandoval is at 42/31). Sandoval leads Rory Reid (who's at 34/48) by 52-38 in the general election.

RI-Gov: Bill Clinton will be appearing in Rhode Island on behalf of Democratic candidate Frank Caprio, last man standing in the Dem primary, on July 29. Caprio backed Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primary.

WI-Gov: Fundraising numbers in the Wisconsin gubernatorial race are out. Democrat Tom Barrett raised $2.39 million in the period of January through June, while GOPers Scott Walker and Mark Neumann raised $2.59 million and $1.96 million respectively (although some of Neumann's money seems to be out of his own pocket). In terms of CoH, it's Barrett (with no primary opposition) with $2.89 million, Walker with $2.57 million, and Neumann with $1.05 million.

IA-02: Marianette Miller-Meeks, the ophthalmologist who lost severely to David Loebsack in 2008, is back for a rematch, and seems to be in better shape this time (better, even, than Raul Labrador), if her own internal is to be believed. Her poll from Susquehanna Polling & Research gives Loebsack a 46-41 lead.

NJ-03: The Courier-Post wonders aloud "who the heck is Peter DeStefano?" That's because no one really seems to know. He's the independent Tea Party candidate in the 3rd, who hasn't done anything to promote himself and whose main claim to fame was polling in the double-digits in John Adler's recent internal poll where he was dominating Jon Runyan. This led, naturally, to GOP claims that DeStefano was some sort of plant from the Adler camp. DeStefano denies that, but isn't helping matters with his pattern of ducking publicity, not just among the teabagging rank and file but even with the Courier-Post too.

PA-11: Naturally, it's never a sign of strength for an incumbent to go negative on his challenger this early... but it shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that Paul Kanjorski is in a heap of trouble in his rematch against Lou Barletta. But Kanjorski may feel he's not only better served by localizing, not nationalizing his race, but also that he has a target-rich environment for hits on Barletta, given Barletta's tenure as mayor of city of Hazleton, which has the highest unemployment in the state and whose local government is in danger of going into receivership.

TX-06: I suppose this is an example of karma at work. Rep. Joe Barton's campaign fund took a loss of $154K over the last three months because of hits to its investments... perhaps most significantly, because of losses at BP.

RNC: It seems like Michael Steele can say all the dumb things he wants and keep his job (fo shizzle), but could financial mismanagement be the straw that breaks the camel's back? The RNC has had to report new debts that were kept off the books by staffers loyal to Steele, and treasurer Randy Pullen (not a Steele ally) is going public alleging that the debts go much deeper than what was reported to the FEC, claiming that more than another $7 million in debt is out there. The dispute is likely to dominate matters at the RNC's annual meeting in two weeks. This also leads to speculation that American Crossroads, the Karl Rove 527 operation that finally seemed to kick into high gear last month, will be the de facto main source for independent expenditures this year while the RNC sputters.

House: Well, it looks like we're stuck with 435 for the foreseeable future. A federal district court ruled against the plaintiffs in a lawsuit that claimed that only 435 seats was unconstitutional under 14th Amendment grounds, because of malapportionment between different states (i.e. Montana and Wyoming each getting one Rep., despite their population differences).

Rasmussen:
KY-Sen: Jack Conway (D) 41%, Rand Paul (R) 49%
MN-Gov: Mark Dayton (D) 40%, Tom Emmer (R) 36%
MN-Gov: Margaret Anderson Kelliher (D) 40%, Tom Emmer (R) 35%
MN-Gov: Matt Entenza (D) 37%, Tom Emmer (R) 36%
OH-Gov: Ted Strickland (D-inc): 43%, John Kasich (R) 48%

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GA-Gov: Romney endorses Handel
http://blogs.ajc.com/political...

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

Romney, how useful
Way to endorse a favorite (as of today).  Such a gutsy call.  Apparently given 4 choices he could not endorse, but with only 2, he can.


[ Parent ]
The Rasmussen polls
 Actually do not look too bad for Minnesota with the Democrats beating Emmer.

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17, CA-06,  


WV-Gov
Kessler filed to run for gov in 2012 on April 9th 2009.

Wow
Usually when you're that old, you tend to make your plans on more of a day-to-day basis.

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Oh
I had Kessler mixed up with Ken Hechler. 54's just a babe in the woods by West Virginia politician standards.

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NV-Gov
Probably because, unlike WI, the nominee of the unpopular gov's party is not running in an opens seat race. Sandoval primaried Gibbons, so he has been able to distance himself from him.  

Yup, Gibbons unintentionally did his party a FAVOR by RUNNING for reelection......
If Gibbons saw the writing on the wall and retired, Sandoval wouldn't be polling so well for November right now.

But Nevada GOPers were able to send the general electorate the message, "OK, we get it, Gibbons sucks, and we proved we get it by taking him out ourselves."

Nevada Republicans did what Kentucky Republicans failed to do in 2007 when they jaw-droppingly renominated Ernie Fletcher over Anne Northup.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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NV-Gov: PPP answers one of my questions re Sandoval and Hispanic voters......
Keeping in mind PPP polled both NV-Sen and NV-Gov using the same sample in one poll, it's interesting to compare racial demographic breakdowns.

Most significantly, as I suspected could happen, Sandoval, being Hispanic, is waaaaay outperforming with Hispanics for a Republican, tied at 43-43 with Rory.  I won't be shocked if Sandoval wins the Hispanic vote outright.

Meanwhile, Harry is up 62-38 among Hispanics against Angle.  And I won't be surprised if that significantly understates Harry's actual performance with Hispanic voters on election day, as I could easily see him breaking 70%.

On Sandoval, he does better with every racial group than ticket-mate Angle, but the gap with Hispanics is the widest.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


?
I would like to see if Susan Martinez has the same advantage.  

Libertarian secular Republican, MO-7

[ Parent ]
Rob Simmons launches TV ads
http://www.theday.com/article/...
Aaron Blake, of the Fix, hears the buy is for 350k.  

Very lame. If he actually wants to have a chance to win, he must...
...attack McMahon directly as the clown she is, and also talk about Vietnam to directly attack Blumenthal.  The latter attack is actually not for November per se, to remind primary voters why he's stronger in November than McMahon.

But alas, Simmons really isn't in it to win it, he's in it for ego.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Actually his strategy could work...
Let's be clear Simmons was dead in the water in a primary vs. McMahon. She would have used her millions to beat him down so badly that he would have no shot at winning. This way he keeps a low profile. Gives her enough rope to hang herself by and then re-emerges at the last minute when it is too late for her to attack him.

He's playing rope a dope and shortening the campaign which is to his advantage.

If he somehow re-emerges and wins the primary he's going to get a heck of a lot of momentum going into Nov.

In reality this is really a long shot .Most likely McMahon wins primary but Simmons phantom candidacy does enough damage to hurt her in Nov.

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I couldn't disagree more with your premise in your first sentence......
As much as Blumenthal weathered his military service controversy, I still have no doubt it could have helped Simmons bigtime against McMahon.  There's really nothing for Republicans to use against Blumenthal, and not only was Simmons' military resume a big distinction from McMahon looking ahead to the general, but it would have brought out in stark relief Simmons' record of public service juxtaposed against McMahon's self-serving opportunism.

Yes McMahon still would have been the Republican frontrunner, but Simmons had a chance if he stayed in it.

And frankly you can't win an election by dropping out and coming back.  That just kills you.  Remember back to 1992, Ross Perot was polling a lot better before he dropped out than after he came back, and his 19% was poor compared to before his dropout, when he was polling in the 30s.  Same with Gary Hart in 1988, he dropped out prematurely and tried to come back, but it was too late.

You have to campaign straight through or voters think, correctly, you're a non-serious moron.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Surprising LA-Sen signage
For the Sen race, I've seen a few Melancon and Vitter bumper stickers. I've seen a bunch of signs. I haven't seen signs for those 2, Traylor, or Wooten. I was surprised that the only signs I have seen were for Democrat Cary Deaton. I have no idea who she is.  

I know this is a week old
I don't see it noted here yet

but Cook moved LA-Sen to "lean R" ref http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

In a less hospitable political climate for Republicans, these three events might combine to render Vitter extremely vulnerable, even in Louisiana. However, Vitter is not without his strengths and he does get to run on friendly terrain. We'll keep a close watch on this to see whether any or all of the recent events have an impact, but for now it seems this race no longer belongs in the Likely Republican column, so it is moving to Lean Republican.

I wonder if Charlie has seem some internals from Vitter or Melacon that confirms such.


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"How to read a political poll"
Video linked to from today's electoral-vote.com write-up.

http://www.rollcall.com/cqpoli...

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


It is AWESOME
to see some fight from Kanjorski.  He's in a tough spot and he knows it.  He knows he ran a bad campaign last time and almost blew a pretty sure thing.  And he has HUGE cash advantage over Barletta.

I'm normally not one to care about ads/campaigns in July.   But this is a good line of attack to start with and he needs to go on the air...this is a scenario where I think it works:

1.  Strong challenger
2.  Lots of CoH
3.  Relatively inexpensive media market
4.  An issue that might work and become more favorable as we get closer to the election.


If Kanjorski can beat Barletta...
...then the Republicans are in BIG trouble. I am almost certain that the Republicans can take down Kanjorski, but he IS putting up quite a fight. If he can pull this off, the Republicans will get nowhere near the Speakership.  

23, Male, PA-05 (summer) PA-12 (winter)

[ Parent ]
Agreed
Its nice to see him fighting after 2008.  And I'm not sure if he had stepped down whom we had that would do better against Barletta.

But its uphill for sure.


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Um, I think Corey O'Brien would do quite well......
He lost to Kanjorski in the primary with the anti-Kanjorski vote divided, but man I wanted O'Brien to pull off the upset.  From what I've read he's a great young rising star in that part of the state.  He's in deeply loyal Hillary country and took a lot of heat for endorsing Obama in the 2008 primaries.

This is a Democratic district, Barletta will be vulnerable unless it's redrawn to be friendlier to him.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I'd like to know more about that IA-02 poll
like the demographics of the sample and the question wordings. I read the memo and it said Miller-Meeks led once respondents were "informed" about both candidates. I'm curious to know what kind of push-poll questions they used.

MMM is a hard worker, but Loebsack is going to campaign harder this year than he did in 2008, when he was tied up working on flood relief issues for most of the fall.


I can tell you what "informed" might mean from experience......
I was polled in VA-10, where I live and vote, by an unidentified client of the call center but I'm 99% sure it was Democrat Jeff Barnett's campaign.

The poll started with the horse race question, then "informed" me of some nice things about both Barnett and incumbent Frank Wolf and asked the horse race question a 2nd time, and finally "informed" me of some negative things about Wolf before asking the 3rd horse race question.

Miller-Meeks is leaking the result of either the 2nd or 3rd horse race question.  A little-known challenger usually will do better with each successive round in the horse race polling, since anything nice about herself in the first round of "informing" is brand new information, while the incumbent already is better known.  Once you go through the attack narrative "information," then of course you get your best ballot test!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Informed
Is not usually a push poll, it is message testing to see how they present her and attack him.  

[ Parent ]
I
seem to remember hearing someone say that Ed Case was thinking of running for Mayor of Honolulu. Is there any truth to that and would he be the frontrunner.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

It's Ed Case
I'm suprised he hasn't already sent in his papers for Mayor, Sheriff and School Board Director.

23, Male, PA-05 (summer) PA-12 (winter)

[ Parent ]
Another WV candidate
Sheirl Fletcher is running. She was a two-term state rep as a Republican, and run as a Democrat v. Rockefeller in 2008 emphasizing the War in Iraq. She lost 77%-14%

The one thing that should make Manchin's victory county map a bit more fun is that West Virginia lists home counties on primary ballots.


In Massachusetts they list home addresses
This often makes a big difference in low information races.  People just vote on their opinion of the town the candidate is from.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

[ Parent ]
Pennsylvania is the worst for voting like that


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Guilty
In the 2008 Treasurer's Race, both the Republican and the Democrat were from Philly, while the Libetarian was from Clarion, so I voted for the Libetarian. I knew nothing about the race or the candidates except where they were from.

23, Male, PA-05 (summer) PA-12 (winter)

[ Parent ]
So what is she running as?
D or R or I?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Democrat
I'd be surprised if any independent/third parties file, and the whole matter of the quick filing deadline might not be entirely legal

[ Parent ]
CO-Gov: Tancredo readying independent run?
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmsp...

""There is no way left to do it as a Republican," Tancredo said, explaining, "I have to get so many things in order, but believe me there's an option." The former congressman said he'd have an announcement within the next couple of days. According to other sources, he's interviewing potential running mates for an Independent bid.

But even an Independent bid would take some maneuvering.

The filing deadline for third-party candidates passed on June 15, but according to one Colorado political source, Tancredo is exploring the possibility that he may be able to get on the ballot if a currently filed third party candidate drops out. In that case, Tancredo may be able to get his name on the ballot as a replacement."

Seems a bit unlikely to me, but who knows.


Is there a Constitution party candidate running?
They are about the only third party i could see accepting tancredo.

20, male, independent, WI-07.

[ Parent ]
Yep
Ben Goss under the American Constitution Party line.

And Colorado always has several candidates on the ballot, since it's easy to file as a third party candidate in that state. There may even be a Prohibition Candidate on the ballot. Would be neat if Tancredo took THAT line.

23, Male, PA-05 (summer) PA-12 (winter)


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I dont know CO law
but yeah, sounds extremely unlikely that'll work.  That usually only seems to be an option for when sole nominee drops out, not just one of several candidates for the primary.

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Omigod, quote of the day, filed under "zero self-awareness"......
""The two Republican primary candidates are not electable."

ROTFLMAO!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Governor Hickenlooper
I like the sound of that, in a weird way

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Finally, a SurveyUSA poll we can love - VA-9
Rick Boucher (D) - 52%
Morgan Griffith (R) - 39%

http://www.wdbj7.com/news/wdbj...

OTOH,

'Rep. Rick Boucher calls for DOJ to drop lawsuit on Arizona immigration law'

http://www2.wsls.com/sls/news/...


Not surprising to see the normally
progressive Boucher tacking right. But still, that's a good lead, stronger than I suspected. I admit I had this race as a toss-up, based on Griffith being a strong challenger, Boucher's vote for Cap and Trade, and the quickly shifting Demographics of the district that made it McCain's strongest district in the state.  

[ Parent ]
Looks like Jsmith will be wrong
:)

[ Parent ]
That put a smile on my face!
When I saw http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/38... the other day, I thought of Jsmith, and how he would react ;)

[ Parent ]
Oh god, he's probably already punched a hole in his wall
What a fascinating article and such a great example of how demographic changes affect politics not just in voting Dem or GOP but on down to the issues.

[ Parent ]
While there's certainly a racist element
in the southern opposition to President Obama...

IMO, the article (indirectly) shows how some of it comes from "educated" Northern migrants, people who don't understand the history.

It also documents those who appear willing to break those conventions that have led to a better society in much of the American south.

Conclusion -- southern areas with significant Northern in-migration aren't necessarily more hospitable to the national Democratic party.  


[ Parent ]
I don't want to go too much off-topic
but I've believed that the myth that "educated" whites being "less racist" than whites w/o a college degree was bogus.  

I think it may be more due to age, and since a larger proportion of working class whites are older (since younger people are more likely to have graduated from college), it appears artificially that they are more "racist".    


[ Parent ]
May I suggest that you read the article?
It relates to objections to busing by northern migrants to the Raleigh area, based on their personal perceptions of resulting lower educational standards.

My hypothesis related to elections in the south -- is that such northern migrants, often more "educated" than the local populace, are open to implicitly racist appeals.


[ Parent ]
I did read it
and I didn't see where the racial appeals are that important here.  Opposition to busing children is not racism, IMO.  And I would guess that many of these same people would probably not like their kids to go to school with low income whites either based on their same prejudices.  

I'm not saying that racism is not part of the equation at all, but it isn't the primary motivation, avoiding people of a different class or culture is.  I wouldn't be surprised if some of these people voted for Obama on one hand and also would vote for a school board that keep their kids far away from the inner city minority areas.

 


[ Parent ]
Thank you -- it's based in part on the history
Busing was one significant way the south overcame its racism, bringing people of different cultures and economic classes together.

So opposition to such threatens to bring back the effects of racism.

By and large (though not completely), socio-economic differences in the south are based on race.

Part of my point is the basis is newcomer v. old-time resident -- I think it's more true in the Research Triangle area (which includes Raleigh), as the related high-tech economic development has brought many educated migrants from  different parts of the country.

I suggest that (a minority of) such migrants are already pre-disposed to such attitudes, which could damage one of the tenets which has brought peace out of the civil rights movement.

It is not --overt-- racism. I believe that such migrants don't even realize what they're doing.

Perhaps the prime example of such is PA-born Newt Gingrich.


[ Parent ]
Addition
part of the history is based on Plessy v.Ferguson -- in practice, Separate and Unequal -- based on separation by race. The only way to get around that in education has been busing; Brown v. Board of Education was not enough.

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I'm very surprised, and I have a hard time believing the VA-05 and VA-09 polls together......
Yes Boucher is a longtime incumbent and a conservaDem, while Perriello is a frosh and more liberal, and I understand how big a difference that can make in election outcomes.

But these are neighboring districts, and Boucher's is clearly more conservative than Perriello's.  Obama in VA-09 got crushed 59-40 and by over 52,000 votes, while losing VA-05 51-48 and by 7500 votes.  Same with Kerry, he lost VA-05 56-43, but the 9th was 60-39.

And Morgan Griffith is a major recruit, no less so than Robert Hurt.  Terry Kilgore was the first recruit to pass, but Griffith is actually higher-profile.  The only thing is Griffith actually doesn't live in the district, but he's close enough, in the same part of the state, and people don't really know or care exactly where boundaries are.

So with all that in mind, I have a hard time believing Boucher leads 52-39 while Perriello trails 58-35.

Honestly, my suspicion is that both these races have closer margins on election night.  Boucher always had a much better chance to win than Perriello, but he shouldn't be performing 17 points better!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Boucher would be on my list
of Dems who could lose if the GOP picks up 75 seats, but not if they pick up 40 seats.

[ Parent ]
SUSA has a much more favorable poll of another Virginia district
They have Boucher beating Griffith 52-39 in VA-09.

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...


Republicans
lead young voters by 30 points in that district? Does that seem reasonable?  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
Ignore SUSA's crosstabs
for younger voters.  

[ Parent ]
So then
the whole poll is unreasonable. I find it hard to believe that Boucher is up by more than say 15 (that's excluding the younger voters)  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
He's up by 13, which is less than 15...
And cross-tabs for age have such astronomically high margins of error that trying to infer anything from them is a waste of time.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
For any individual poll that is right
but SUSA always has younger voters favoring the Republican.  That makes it a consistent flaw in the methodology, not something to ignore over and over and over and over.

Given the small age sample though, this flaw doesn't amount to much.


[ Parent ]
Prove it. Prove that it's a consistent flaw in SUSA, and prove it's worse than for other pollsters......
I routinely see age crosstabs with crazy results from ANY pollster who releases crosstab data.  And I don't see it any more frequently from SUSA than from other pollsters.  Rasmussen has the same issue, and no they're not a reliable outfit but their age crosstab problems are the same as, no worse than, everyone else's.  And same with the few others who release crosstabs.

The reason SUSA gets a bum rap for their crosstabs is that they're one of the only pollsters to release such comprehensive crosstabs, and they do it for every poll.  So most polls with crosstabs released just happen to be SUSA polls.  They offer that transparency as a matter of principle, and get hit over the head for what the crosstabs show, which is no different from what others' crosstabs show.  So basically, "no good deed goes unpunished."

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Dont argue with him
Any small irregularity in a poll that he doesn't like the result of and the polling company is automatically crap.  

[ Parent ]
Um, no
Saying Dem voter turnout will be 25% less than 2006 is not a "small irregularity"!

LOLOL

C'mon, do you really have to grasp at such a ludicrous poll to justify polls that you like?

I personally don't give a crap about what any of these polls say since the key factors in the election 2010 election cycle haven't even happened yet.  I'm interested however in how pollsters are releasing simply impossible polls, not based on their results, but based apparently on presumptions that can't possibly happen.

Now instead of lemming-like trying to defend this stupid poll, why not say what you think a reasnable drop in Dem particpation from 2008 and 2006 might be for this district in 2010.  Choose whatever number you want.

I'll even go first, I think Dem particpation will go down proportionally less than freaking 33% from 2010 in this district.  LOL... and I'll tell you want, I'll bet any amount of money under $2million on that.

It's one thing to be partisan and grab any fish that looks good for you, but this one is just laughable, and not being able to admit that is pretty sad too.


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Fine, you don't see it any more frequently
But if you did, then that would be troubling right?

I don't pay attention to such crosstabs normally because they don't matter, but what I'm recalling Burr and Coats similarly cleaning up among the youngest voters in SUSA polls.  Have they had any poll where a Republican was winning significantly where where he was losing significantly among younger voters?

Let me know if you find one.


[ Parent ]
"Any" poll like that???.....they ALL show Republicans winning big even while losing younger voters......
Elections 101:  young people by and large don't vote, and their turnout is acutely poor in midterms.  They're too small a percentage of the total to matter.

Middle-aged people vote in droves, and old people vote in massive droves.

Republicans everywhere this fall will easily win comfortably while losing young voters.

Since you demand examples, look at SUSA's latest Calfornia poll, they have Brown winning young voters and losing everyone else, and Boxer cleaning up with young voters and doing much worse with everyone else.

I'm not going to take time to dig for anymore, but you can go to SUSA's web site to look it up yourself.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
No
Every SUSA poll has funny crosstabs, but good toplines.  

[ Parent ]
You almost got it right, it should be "most polls have" funny crosstabs......
Crosstabs are very frequently unreliable in polling as a rule.

Age crosstabs are, indeed, worse, only because there are more categories, thus smaller subsamples, thus far higher margins of error.

The "most reliable" subsample in a typical poll is for white voters, simply because they make up most of the of the total sample in most polls, thus much smaller margins of error (but still higher than the total sample) than all other subsamples.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
It's an element of statistics
Anamolies w/r/t cross-tabs can and often do tend to "average out", given a consistent methodology.

If I remember right, that also tends to lead to a smaller sigma in the overall result.


[ Parent ]
Hechler past 70
Ken Hechler turned 70 on September 20th, 1984. Since then, he was elected Secretary of State four times (last time at age 82 in 1996), he won 43.85% in a Congressional primary in 1990 (at 75) losing to Nick Rahall. He lost another primary in 2000 at 85 (finishing 3rd with 24.55%). He won the Secretary of State's primary at 89 (with 25.74%) and lost the election at 90 (51.9% to 48.1%)

A pretty interesting political career after the age of 70.

We'll see if he can run for anything after turning 100


Jeez
Makes me wonder what he did for the rest of his life, hopefully relax because these are supposed to be his beach-years.

[ Parent ]
Maybe
This is his retirement. Some people like sitting on beaches in their old age, maybe he enjoys running for political office.  

[ Parent ]
Nope. Always in politics
In worked in the Truman White House until '53, and was working on the Adlai Stevenson campaign in '56. He was elected to Congress in '57.

23, Male, PA-05 (summer) PA-12 (winter)

[ Parent ]
Interesting
This is a bit ridiculous:

Schumer, a former two-term DSCC chairman, showed $23.8 million on hand at the end of last month, and public polls have shown he is up by at least 20 points in a race that Republicans are not contesting. Meanwhile, the DSCC had $21 million in the bank June 30 and a growing list of vulnerable seats.

Really Schumer has no need to spend more than say, 10 million dollars on his reelection campaign. His campaign coffers...that's where the DSCC's normal cash advantage has been going.


Does he even need to run a single tv ad?
Donate it all Chuck!

[ Parent ]
What are you basing that on?
How do you presume that Schumer is taking money from the DSCC?  Even as hyperbole its not close to accurate.

I don't understand why people constantly think someone who is good at fundraising should give money to an organization that struggles with fundraising.  And I don't want to hear about his leadership role with the DSCC.

Schumer raised about $13M since 2008, Gillibrand $9M.  Its not like Schumer is doing that great for NY?  Its just a lucrative state to fundraise in.


[ Parent ]
Schumer
doesn't have a remotely competitive race or any chance of one, he's an already established figure, yet he rakes in the money. Gillibrand is also a fundraising machine, very much a politician like Schumer. The real problem is that it looks like Schumer will be spending 6-7 million more than he did in 2004; when he spent 19 million to win 74% of the vote, and he has arguably even less of a candidate this time. I would rather see him sacrifice some pride, (i.e. win with 65% of the vote rather than say, 72%), and by September hand about 10 million dollars of that over to the DSCC. Not only would it be a morale boost, but it would also serve as an example for other stingy Senators to help out as well, particularly since it looks like the DSCC will have two fine pick up opportunities in NC and Ohio where they will need to financially aid the Democratic candidate significantly.

I expect nothing less from a Democrat in the leadership; especially one said to be a possible majority leader, (though if Reid wins reelection I suspect this battle will be held off until post-2012, after Obama wins reelection and Reid would likely step aside after a 6 year tenure).


[ Parent ]
Well
People donated to HIM for HIS campaign.  I'd imagine they expect HIM to spend money on HIS campaign.

There is no reason to believe that him donating money to DSCC in September would be a morale boost.  On the contrary, wouldn't it be considered something that needs to be done because the DSCC can't raise the money on its own or is in trouble?  That's how I'd read it.  

There's also 0 evidence that a big Schumer donation would spur further giving from Senators.  Quite simply, this is made up to support your own views.

Why would Schumer's money be ok to spend on Ohio and NC?  Would his donors be okay with that?  Don't his donors have the ability to donate to these candidates and choose not to?  Should he really disregard donor intent so brazenly?

What is the biggest donations from the Democratic leadership to the DSCC in the past?


[ Parent ]
So many issues....
There's also 0 evidence that a big Schumer donation would spur further giving from Senators.  Quite simply, this is made up to support your own views.

Who cares, more money for the DSCC is more money for the DSCC, it doesnt need to have an avalanche effect to be helpful.

Why would Schumer's money be ok to spend on Ohio and NC?  Would his donors be okay with that?  Don't his donors have the ability to donate to these candidates and choose not to?  Should he really disregard donor intent so brazenly?

Again, who cares?  They most likely will never know about it (particularly if transferred in increments), and they donated money to Schumer's political campaign, a campaign that legally has many options with that money.  It's up to donors to know that and I doubt these donors care if they are donating to Chuck Schumer of all people.  If anything, I consider a very large portion of his donations to be maxed out NYC richy-riches and this would just be a way to get around election donation limits.

But whatever, you have your opinion, Id much rather have $10 million more for the DSCC.  Or hell, even $5 million, that could be the NC-Sen fun.  Schumer could literally buy us a Senator Marshall if he wanted to.


[ Parent ]
Buy an election?
Don't you think poor fundraising might say something?  Like the candidate isn't that popular.

And no, trying to move donor money to the DSCC is not a good idea.  It even sounds sneaky.  I love thta you say "they won't even know".  And if Schumer thinks he doesn't need the money, he could always have asked his donors to direct the checks elsewhere.  He didn't.

Do you really believe donors to Chuck Schumer DON'T care if they are donating to Chuck Schumer?  What sense does that make?

The DSCC has plenty of money, more than the RSCC.  More money won't make a difference, at least not just $10M.  

This election will be about issues and plans for the future.  Candidates who come out fighting with plans will enamour voters.  Those who try to advertise to death about the Bush years will just waste money, especially in the Senate races where many of the states are looking for ideas, not blame.

People are aware that other Senators have elections.  They choose to donate to Schumer.  They haven't chosen to donate to Schumer so he could transfer the money to the DSCC.  


[ Parent ]
Explain why you think attacking Bush and tarring Republicans by association
won't work. The Democrats attacked the Republicans as the Party of Hoover with some success for decades; the Republicans attacked the Democrats as the Party of Carter for a couple of decades. Why should the Democrats focus only on plans for the future and not the fact that the Republican Party wants to bring back the policies of GW Bush that got us into this mess?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
It alone can't work
Also I'd say almost all media agreed with blaming Hoover back in  the day.  The new age of "too much" media means getting universal consensus on something politically is harder.

When you say policies of GWB, its too blanketed a statement.  It will back certain Dems into a corner on tax cuts and some other legislation.  Quite honestly I think the ebst issue is the wars, but I haven't seena candidate who plans to use this or even has a plan for the wars.  

I'm no GWB fan, but hate declines after a while.  Its kind of like how quickly people missed Clinton after 2 years of Bush.  People could still run against Clinton in certain areas and it could be effective, but as time has gone on exploiting political hatred of Clinton has faded a bit.


[ Parent ]
Clinton ended his 2nd term in office
as an extremely popular president, and his party gained seats in 1998 when the Republicans had impeached him and were trying to remove him from office, so there's no analogy.

You have to consider how I phrased things above. The Republicans stand for the policies of George W. Bush that got us into this mess. They wouldn't be criticized for supporting the few good policies of Bush, like his program to fight AIDS in Africa; they'd be condemned for wanting to do things that would make the economy crater again - for fighting against Wall St. reform, supporting BP, and voting against a little help for unemployed people.

Yes, the wars are a good issue (as is reminding people that the Republicans who claim they don't want to increase the deficit to pay for unemployment insurance never hesitated to create huge budget deficits by subsidizing reckless Wall St. gambling and job exportation, paying for a wasteful and unnecessary war in Iraq, and giving huge tax cuts to their billionaire campaign contributors - all of which more or less constitute talking points I'd recommend for Democratic candidates who can credibly use them), but the economy is almost always the best issue, and reminding voters that the Republicans brought about a near-depression and haven't changed since then is the best issues argument the Democratic candidates can make, in my humble opinion.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I think we'll have to disagree
I doubt anyone thinks Obama got us into this.  Yet Dems are projected to lose 20-50 house seats and 5-10 Senate seats this election.  There just isn't a lot of evidence that blaming Bush gives anyone the traction needed to overcome anti-incumbency yet.

Quite frankly, with those results, it seems like blaming Bush won't work.  And nobody is going to blame tax cuts for the current economic mess, just like no one is even aware that tax cuts were part of the stimulus.  Or that TARP was passed and signed by Bush.  And so on.

The economy is Obama's.  It'd be different if maybe the stimulus was smaller and had failed or bigger and had worked.  But the stimulus was big enough and did nothing at all to encourage private sector jobs.  I'm glad a bunch of teachers jobs were saved, state govts were bailed out for a year from their own mismangement and so forth.  But I'd rather have a job than be blogging on SSP between job applications.


[ Parent ]
Actually, I think Pan is PARTLY right, and Obama's last "campaign" speech signaled that...
...the Administration will, indeed, make Bush part of the midterm narrative.  The Administration's frame is "forward" versus "backward."  "Backward" means not just Bush himself but Republican policies of that era that today's Republicans supported and still support, that were so unpopular.  The message is that a vote for Republicans is a vote to return to what you know you hated.

It's a smart frame and the best the Democrats can do.

The problem with it is that swing voters aren't persuaded that these first two years of Democratic governance are a step "forward."  They are, and much has been accomplished, but swing voters vote ultimately on their own morale, and voter morale hasn't improved since 2006.

But Democrats can't do anything about that.  The reality is that the stimulus that passed in early 2009 was the best that was politically possible, it's accomplished what it can, and ultimately turning the economy around is like steering a big freighter, it can be done only very, very slowly.  There is always a lag time in recovery, and there's nothing anyone can do but be patient and hang on.  The federal government can't do any more than it has.  But that reality is not the voters' reality, they want to believe the government could have done something more or something different, but didn't.  They're not going to be persuaded until we're more clearly in a jobs recovery.  The oil spill, too, is a morale problem.  It doesn't matter what the details were of what the Administration did or didn't do, even though they did the right things on managing the spill itself.  The communications with the public were awful, just as they were on health care and the stimulus.  The Obama Administration has been inexplicably poor in communications.  But that said, ultimately the oil spill was going to drag down public morale to some extent.

I don't know what it takes for the White House to learn to seize the reigns of communication and stay toe-to-toe with current events and get ahead of right-wing messaging.  But so far they've been an epic fail in that regard, letting a lot of misinformation and misperceptions sink in with the public.

But ultimately the "forward versus backward" frame is as good as can be done, and Bush does have to be a part--just one part, but a part--of that.  It at least has the advantage of being honest and true, which is something.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
By and large, President Obama
has yet to make Bust a part of the mid-term narrative. I'm glad to hear the signal, but I'm not convinced.

But it is part of a difference in philosophy -- as current Rs like to look backwards

Obama is trying to be more like President Reagan -- not in politics, but in attitude. In the '80's Reagan also looked forward, and took something of a hit in the '82 elections as a result.

He did look backward towards Carter at times -- but could not use the "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago" line in the '82 elections. Nevertheless, '82 economic conditions were in part a reaction to the oil-fueled stagflation of the late '70s.

I do believe that President Obama wants to be a transformational figure, doing for Ds what Reagan did for Rs.

The lack of emphasis on Bush should pay off in 2012, when President Obama should (hopefully) be able to say some version of "it's morning in America" again.


[ Parent ]
I don't think it works
Unfortunately, once you've tried your own medicine to solve a problem you can balme the previous doctor with sounding a little childish.

Had Obama not done the stimulus early on, he could do it now and try to be a hero.  Had he done a bigger one, maybe it would have worked and he could take credit.  As it stands, the stimulus he propsed to help turn the economy around did not work.  All it did was save public sector jobs and simply didn't offer enough to create private sector jobs.

I don't doubt Bush is to blame.  But people don't seem to care about war spending, so that's a moot point.  People love tax cuts, so that won't change.  And Dems controlled Congress prior and during the financial meltdown.  Its going be bard to convince people that the repeal of Glass_Steagall was a large cause of our economic situation when most people will think Glass-Steagall is the name of law firm or something.

Lastly, I'm nto really worried that the oil spill helps/hurts anyone really.  It hurts Vitter a little and helps Cao a bit, but outside that I don't really see any race where the issue will be at all important come November.  I know some will say Florida but I bet its not because I don't think the offshore drilling ban proposal they want to put on the ballot won't make the ballot.


[ Parent ]
Same thing for us
With Shelby. He has over 17 million on hand and doesn't need it.  

[ Parent ]
I've always thought that was because he wasn't very loyal to
Republicans.  

[ Parent ]
Well
Shelby was a Dixiecrat at heart. But hell, when your ranking member of the Banking committee you have all of Wall Street at your fingertips.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I've always thought that was because he wasn't very loyal to
Republicans.  

[ Parent ]
Maybe so
I've heard that he was always selfish with his cash. That could be why.  

[ Parent ]
MN-Gov
The daughter of the last DFL Gov in MN, Sue Perpich endorsed Matt Entenza.  Not quite the spouse endorsement but it's up there.  

Georgia
"The main surprise was the collapse of John Oxendine in the GOP gubernatorial primary"

Actually, the biggest surprise of the night would be Mark Butler dominating the GOP race for Labor Commissioner.

Everson losing is a shocker.

Whoever was advising Butler should have no problem finding a job with other campaigns in the future.


Jeff Greene is a little sleazy
just a tiny bit.

http://politicalwire.com/archi...

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


If he becomes the D candidate in Fl, that is shameful!


[ Parent ]
Scott Angelle
Man, he needs to become a Republican. If he did, he has the potential to be a star. I watched him speak at the Rally for Economic Survival, and, though he looks like a boring man, he is a powerful speaker. He's waaay to Conservative to become a Democratic star though.  

Here's the speech I'm talking about
http://www.livestream.com/loui...
Go to 56 mins and make sure its on part 4. No one is he being elected as a Democrat with those words, especially his words about Obama and Jindal

[ Parent ]
Why? It's Louisiana
It elected John Rarick to Congress four times and Woody Jenkins to legislature 6 times - both as a Democrats (and both are, probably, more conservative then Angele). It elected dozens and dozens very conservative Democrats to legislature, and some of them still serve now. Why not???

[ Parent ]
Not the same anymore
That was before the emergence of the netroots and when Louisiana was much more Democratic.  

[ Parent ]
Then why a lot of very conservative Democrats
(who in almost every other state would be Republicans, and very conservative even for them) still serve in legislature?

[ Parent ]
I don't see him in the legislature
Thats a little bit of a step-down. I see him in Congress whenever Downer retires or as Governor after Jindal leaves, or a possible appointment by Jindal to the Senate if Landrieu (hopefully!) is appointed to something. I mean, she has to be qualified for something. Now THAT would be a surprise for Obama. He gets a commitment from Jindal to appoint a Democrat, and he gets a Democrat who is about as conservative as Vitter. He isn't gonna get high in state politics as a Democrat. They have some other video's of his speech, I'll find them and post them.  

[ Parent ]
Thanks!
It will be interesting. But i simply wanted to stress that there are still very conservative Democrats (in your words - "almost as conservative as Vitter") in Louisiana, and that at least some of them have high enough posts, including - in Legislature. Is it correct enough?

I also don't expect Angelle to run for legislature. For Congress - easily, but one big IF here is: WHEN Downer (most likely) or any other Republican who is likely to win this year will retire? And another: the most likely district for him (3rd) can be easily redistricted out of existence... For Governor? May be, and really only as Republican (though we have a rather recent example of conservative Democrat Blanco elected Governor as a Democrat), but he will have a plenty of competition on Republican side, and, who knows, may be from rather conservative Democrat (Buddy Caldwell(?)) as well..


[ Parent ]
Caldwell and Downer
Aren't too young. Downer is 64, so he may not be in for that long. Maybe 5 or 6 terms? Caldwell is also 64, and I think he will be AG forever.  

[ Parent ]
Video not available anymore, you'll have to type what he said about Obama, Jindal, and whatever else. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
It's still working for me
n/t

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Maybe it's a browser problem?
I'm using Chrome and I'm getting the video fine

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Are you using FireFox?
I am an in the middle of watching the 5th part last night, it cut off on me.  

[ Parent ]
Republicans leave only 5 House races uncontested
http://www.cqpolitics.com/wmsp...
The seats:
WA-07 (Jim McDermott, D+31)
PA-01 (Bob Brady, D+35)
MA-08 (Mike Capuano, D+32)
FL-17 (Kendrick Meek open seat, D+34)
NY-12 (Nydia Velazquez, D+33)

There isn't a Republican running in OH-11
unless they're counting the write-in candidate.

[ Parent ]
There is
According to the FEC.

[ Parent ]
Thomas Pekarek is a write-in, didn't get on the ballot
http://www.cleveland.com/sun/a...

"Fudge's lone challenger in the November election is expected to be a write-in candidate, Republican Thomas Pekarek. "


[ Parent ]
At least this means
Capuano can start hoarding all his money for 2012. He'll need it to beat Scott Brown

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Initial unemployment benefit claims skyrocket, my hope of job growth/political recovery CRUSHED......
Very, very, very bad news with first-time unemployment claims skyrocketing to 464K for the past week, up a shocking 35K from last week's 2-year weekly low of 429K.

Alas, job growth will be tepid after all for July.

Methinks the economy will remain stagnant heading into November.  And, we can only hope that such an expectation is already baked into voting intentions, rather than making things even worse.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


somewhere in Louisiana
GOPVOTER is licking his chops.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Licking chops
I am licking chops at the prospect of several of my bets with friends about the economy playing out.  I am owed several dinners over this one.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

[ Parent ]
Maybe...
If I weren't looking for a job.  Then again, no matter what national unemployment is, I'm not getting a job in south LA for a long, long time b/c of Salzar and Obama.

[ Parent ]
If
you don't mind me asking what industry do you work in?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Just guessing
but with the context and all, I'm assuming it has to do with oil.  Right?

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

[ Parent ]
No
Its a complicated story. I'll just say I haven't had a job since I graduated college in May 09. I never got a job because we had just had a baby, so I was a stay at home dad. No one's hiring here because of the moratorium. It doesn't just affect the oil industry. Its got everyone worried, even people in finance.  

[ Parent ]
Sorry
For what it is worth, and I know it is an uber unpopular view here, but I actually support off shore oil drilling.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Thats surprising
Even after this that anyone here supports it (other than me!). And its okay, weve done fine for over a year with me being a stay at home dad. I enjoy it.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah
I try to avoid talking about it as it takes away from my progressive credentials and all. Gasp, I think I just lost one of my Al Gore cards. However I think pretty much everyone here has at least one view that strays away from their parties norm. I have always supported it, I have gone to Louisiana several since I was a kid and have loved it; swamp tours, café Dumont, the French Quarter, Mardi Gras ect.  I know your economy depends on it and do not think it is right to take away much needed jobs over the spill.      

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I can understand also, at least from Louisiana's perspective.
I just don't support drilling in areas where the economy is heavily dependent on other sectors, such as fishing and tourism, which probably is the case in Santa Barbara. (I'm not sure how much offshore drilling contributes to the state's economy, but it does account for just 16% of all statewide oil production.) A devastating spill off the coast there in 1969 turned public opinion in California sharply against continued offshore drilling and also jump-started the environmental movement that led to the establishment of the EPA.

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
How long did it take to clean up the Santa Barbara spill?
I realize this sub-thread is off-topic, but I can't help asking this, and at least it isn't argumentative, but just a request for information.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
It took only 11.5 days to plug the leak.
http://www.geog.ucsb.edu/~jeff...

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
Agree
The reason I oppose the moratorium and banning off shore oil drilling is because many of these areas in Louisiana are dependent on it, there economy needs it. Let me emphasis though I do fully believe in man made global warming and I want to see solutions for it. But the way I see it is we did not fire everyone on Wall Street after the finical crisis, we did not tell them that they made a mess so they should be forever out of a job. However the moratorium is basically telling hard working laborers that they can go fend for themselves because of BP's mistakes.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Worse
It could get worse.  It could be a double dip.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

[ Parent ]
The stock market definitely will double dip
I'm not sure unemployment can go much higher to be honest.  People are learning to live on less, without jobs or with lower paying jobs, and the recovery will be rather slow like we all know.

The good thing is most people who would be killed by a double dip have already pulled their money out of the market.


[ Parent ]
That's probably good news...
It seems that the monthly employment numbers are the opposite of the first time unemployment claims.  The latter goes up and the former goes down and vice versa.  It's a strange phenomenon that I've noticed over the past year.

Anyways, the last two weeks were very good, it's not surprising that there was a correction.


[ Parent ]
Florida Primary
Scott up against McCollum 43-29.

Meek leads 28-25 against Greene.

http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


From PoliticalWire, about FL-Sen
http://politicalwire.com/archi...

Rick Scott 43 Bill McCollum 29

Kendrick Meek 28 Jeff Greene 25

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


Well, someone beat me to it.
With a better link too.  It's a PPP poll; follow the link in the comment above my above one to see it.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
New Norton ad
Anyone think that comment is fatal in a state where the Republican primary electorate has many women, maybe even majority women? http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

CO-Sen (R): Not quite Macaca
but the ad is to the point. Depending on the buy / youtube viral effect, Buck could be toast.

[ Parent ]
Great ad
and idiotic candidate. Any candidate who doesn't understand that any idiotic joke will be recorded and used against them is probably too stupid to be qualified to campaign for a high office.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
John Raese running
http://www.politico.com/news/s...
IDK where politico gets that he spent 15 million in 2006. Every other article, the FEC, and Open Secrets says 3 million.
Sen. Clark Barnes, the minority leader, is still interested in running and not worried about the primary. Betty Ireland is not interested.  

Internal poll
at Netroots Nation ... Marshall up by two.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

And I believe
it's 37-35 Marshall.  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
Which Marshall?
Elaine?  Jim?  John?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
Elaine
woops

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
I believe they were testing
The Marshall Plan to see if Americans are still for rebuilding Europe after WW2.

:-)


[ Parent ]
PA-15
Towne trying to play spoiler for against Dent. Dent blocking Towne from debates.

http://www.pa2010.com/2010/07/...

23, Male, PA-05 (summer) PA-12 (winter)



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