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New Reapportionment Studies Are Good News for MO & WA

by: DavidNYC

Thu Dec 24, 2009 at 12:04 AM EST


The Census Bureau has released its annual population estimates, so that means the usual players are in the field with their reapportionment projections. First up is Election Data Services. (You can check out their prior studies as well: 2007 | 2008.)

EDS now offers six different projection models. The column headers indicate the range of time used to calculate each projection.

State 2000-2009 2004-2009 2005-2009 2006-2009 2007-2009 2008-2009
Arizona 2 2 2 1 1 1
California 0 -1 -1 0 0 0
Florida 1 1 1 1 1 1
Georgia 1 1 1 1 1 1
Illinois -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Iowa -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Louisiana -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Massachusetts -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Michigan -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Minnesota -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Nevada 1 1 1 1 1 1
New Jersey -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
New York -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
Ohio -2 -2 -2 -2 -2 -2
Pennsylvania -1 -1 -1 -1 -1 -1
South Carolina 1 1 1 1 1 1
Texas 3 4 4 4 4 4
Utah 1 1 1 1 1 1
Washington 1 1 1 1 1 1

The biggest losers in this new batch of projections are, not too surprisingly, the sun-belt states of Arizona and Florida. Last year, Arizona was expected to gain two seats under every single projection model. Now, in a stark demonstration of how southern migration has slowed in the midst of the Great Recession, the three nearest-term projections all show it picking up just one seat. Meanwhile, Florida, which still looked to gain two seats according to longer-term projections in 2008, now grabs just one new seat under all models.

Other losers include Oregon, which was slated to grab a new district under four of five models last year - it's off the list entirely this time. North Carolina was in a much more marginal situation in 2008 (gaining a seat under two of five models), and it too drops from the list. Texas shows a teeny bit of wobble, as the longest-term projection now shows it picking up three rather than four seats, but it seems like the odds still favor four. California, on the other hand, stabilizes some more, with four of six models (including all the nearer-term ones) indicating it won't lose any seats (last time, only two of five did).

The biggest gainers? That would be Missouri, which isn't on this list at all - and for the Show Me State, that's a good thing. In 2008, all five models projected a one-seat loss, and in fact, in 2007, all three models did as well. Now EDS thinks Missouri won't lose any seats. Meanwhile, Washington state is brand-new to the list, gaining a tenth district acoss the board.

Polidata also has an analysis out. They only do one projection, based on the most recent year's numbers, which matches EDS's 2008-2009 projection in all respects. They also offer a list of which states barely hang on to their final seats and which states are oh-so-close to nabbing one more:

Rank State Makes/
Misses By
431 South Carolina 20,000
432 Washington 30,000
433 California 120,000
434 Texas 40,000
435 Missouri 10,000
436 Minnesota 10,000
437 Oregon 20,000
438 Arizona 50,000
439 Florida 150,000
440 North Carolina 75,000
441 Illinois 140,000
442 Ohio 130,000
443 New Jersey 110,000
444 Massachusetts 90,000
445 Louisiana 70,000

EDS has a similar chart with "last six/next six" on the final page of their PDF, with different iterations for each of their models. The bottom line is that right now, Missouri looks very lucky and Minnesota looks very unlucky. But given the small numbers involved and the fact that we're dealing with estimates rather than actuals counts, I would not be surprised at all if things changed by the time we get final numbers in from the 2010 Census.

P.S. Check out Dave's diary for some more discussion of these new studies.

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So while a lot of this is movement from
blue states to red states (a gain of 7 EV for Republicans from 2008 election), what of these blue states loses will result in probable loss of Republican congressional seats (presumably on that list is Illinois, Minnesota, New Jersey, New York, one of Ohio, Louisiana). On the same note, how many of these states which gain seats will result in Democratic seats (presumably 2 of Texas', maybe Washington?).

Anyone do the net math on this? From a quick glance, it seems like it won't do much damage to Democratic numbers, might it even help?  


My predictions:
The Gainers:
Florida (+1): Orlando suburbia for the GOP, secure Grayson and Kosmos (assuming both hold on in 2010) and carve out a GOP seat
Georgia (+1): Going GOP, for now. Barrow is replaced in a minority district, Linder is moved out to get more rural stuff, new seat is similar with GOP suburbs that could change over the decade.
Nevada (+!): Democratic gain. Vegas burbs and reach out towards Reno if it can
South Carlin (+1): Dem gain for a majority minority district.
Texas (+4): at least 1 dem gain in D/FW, we'll see how hard the Obama justice department decides to go on how many more seats are forced dem.
Utah (+1): GOP gain as Matheson is moved into Salt Lake taking the Dem Territories
Washington (+1): Uhm . . . I dunno. Why is WA-8 still in GOP hands? and we'll see how WA-3 goes

The Losses:
Illinois (-1): IL-6 and IL-13 are combined, net GOP loss of 1
Louisiana (-1): LA-3 goes GOP in 2010, goes away in 2012. Again, question for the justice department if LA is forced into making 2 AA districts
Massachusetts (-1): Gee, what party is losing here?
MIchigan (-1): Need to see who controls redistricting
Minnesota (-1): Bachmann go bye-bye
New York (-1): I think we're doing the outsourced work for the NY Dem Party on how to delete Peter King
Ohio (-2): Minus one of each party. Likely Space or Wilson for the Dems. Ryan gets combined with LaToruette to delete him for the GOP.
Pennsylvania (-1): See Michigan, needs to know who controls redistricting. Likely Murtha's district is going.

OTHER:
Arizona, New Jersey, and Iowa have non partisan redistricting boards. I'm making no calls on these (okay, Iowa will be Boswell, but not call on the other 2)

There, I made predictions, :-P

25, Male, Democrat, TX-26


[ Parent ]
I had a FABULOUS OH map
that created a 10-5 majority with me not sure how OH-14 would vote.

I chose to get rid of Kucinich and Schmidt as I felt this was a very even trade, we get rid of your mouthy right winger and we'll sacrifice our mouthy left winger.

This allowed me to give Sutton most of Kucinich's Dem territory (plus some of Kaptur's), which meant being able to give Bocceri Akron, Space then gets Canton, and I gave Wilson part of Columbus.  Getting rid of Kucinich and not having to worry about his Dem district allows us to shore up everyone else cosiderably in the Cleveland area.

I chose Kucinich because I really dislike him......  Love his polital positions, not how he chooses to express them.

I'll hopefully find some time this holiday season to remake the map and post it.  Arg to Dave for not being Mac compatible!!!


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Xochi and I got drunk at a bar once . . .
(you can already tell this is going to be a fun story with that title)

We grabbed a bunch of napkins, pair of pens and started redrawing Ohio congressional maps. I think we scared the attractive bartender I went to High School with.

15 napkins and 3 beers each later . . .

Final result: Got rid of the Republicans in OH-3 and OH-14. Really, Dayton should have a Democratic Rep, and we just did some fun maneuvering with growing Ryan's district.

Drinking with SSP'ers is fun! Andrew if you come back to TX-22 and if HarrisCountyBrian wants to come out we could have quite a party in Clear Lake! ;-)

*I'm heading back to D/FW on the 30th.

25, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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My priorities for Ohio
1. Pack Boehner and Mean Jean into the same ultra-Rethug district.

2. Weaken OH-11 in order to strengthen OH-14.

3. Create an inside-I-270 district in the Columbus area.


[ Parent ]
I thought Silverlight
Worked on Mac?

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Silverlight does work on Mac
I tried it myself with a friend's Mac back in May or something. And some of you here in the SSP community use Macs and report that it works, so, if it somehow doesn't now, let me know. It does not work on Linux, though.

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So wait, I can save my maps?
I remember hearing you couldnt so I never bothered....  ::sigh::

Didnt you even say in the NY Contest, ability to save for Macs forthcoming?  

If anything, me redoing maps over and over again needlessly only makes me better at it!


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Yes, you can
But you need to input a title before you "Save As." It's counter-intuitive, but not a problem specific to the Mac.

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::sigh:: fml
Ive been doing them in a seperate window, will minimize it when done, and then not turn off my laptop or close down Safari.  If I had a dollar for everytime I accidently hit the apple button+Q out of habit or hit the back button on accident when going through my open tabs.

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Save/Open clunky
I know it's clunky. It's driven by Silverlight limitations -- no Save dialog, but I know I could make it better, like I could prompt you to save before you lose your work. I think I may be able to do Save outside of Silverlight (Javascript) and have it talk to Silverlight, but that's work that I need to find time for. I've been a developer for many years, but web development is new for me in the last year. Lots more to learn. My apologies.

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Hey dave, don't take it as a criticism of you
Nobody else has come up with anything close that's free. I think it would be best if you did a red flag warning on how to save. Better yet, try a more informative error message for when people try to Save or Save As without naming their file. ("Before you can Save As, you must first type a title for your file in the box to the right of the file menu.")

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Mmmmmhhhhmmmm!!!!
Not being able to save my maps is seriously what makes me know MN by the back of my hand.  Blessing in disguise probably in reality.

If only I couldve said, it makes me know WI like the back of my hand.  And let me know if you get that joke  ;)


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Problem opening NY map
After being able to modify my contest entry (NY), I am now running into this error - "File used voting districts, but state does not support voting districts," when trying to open my saved file.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thank a ton!!!


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Make sure to check the test data box on the right


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I thought Silverlight existed on Linux
As something called "Moonlight." DRA doesn't work with this?

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Doesn't work?
Someone in some comment thread said it didn't work. I could try it sometime, as I do have Ubuntu Linix dual boot on a machine...

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VRA
we'll see how hard the Obama justice department decides to go on how many more seats are forced dem.

If they don't go hard enough, there will be suits. If they do go hard enough, there will be suits. Sort of doesn't matter either way.


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Iowa blogger John Deeth and I
think Boswell will lose to Tom Latham if the redrawn IA-03 includes Story County (Ames). It's possible that Boswell will retire in 2012, in which case we'd be running someone new (Christie Vilsack? Des Moines Mayor Frank Cownie?) against an 18-year incumbent with a seat on Appropriations (Latham).

That said, Story County might not end up in IA-03, and Latham doesn't have much of a base in Polk County, which is always going to be the dominant part of IA-03. Democrats have made large voter registration gains in Polk County since 2006, so if we can turn those people out in 2012, we may get lucky and end up with 3 Democratic districts to 1 Republican one.

Bleeding Heartland user ragbrai08 analyzed three different four-seat maps of Iowa here.


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Nevada's map will be 2-2
Regardless of whether Titus wins or loses. The map will be two safe Dem seats and two safe Rep seats, because there's just not enough territory to swing three seats for either side.

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There is, barely
Shelley Berkley gets downtown and eastern Vegas or West Vegas (not sure where she lives). Whichever one isn't Berkley's is set up for a new Las Vegas/North Las Vegas Dem (if Berkley doesn't live on the westside). Titus gets a modified suburban Clark County district centered on Henderson and eastern North Las Vegas.  It the proceeds to swing through southern Clark County and crawl up the California border in as narrow a strip as possible, taking in all of Reno and wherever in Carson City Dean Heller doesn't live. Everything else is a big GOP rural district full of emptiness.  I imagine part of Carson City or Elko would be the largest population center, though it might have to include Sparks.

29, male, Democratic, CO-01

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Curious
Nice post, I think you're right about Georgia, though I still think Barrow will survive. A few rumors I heard awhile back focused more revamping Middle and Southern GA, impacting Bishop, Kingston, and Marshall mainly. That was months ago, so things could have changed.

Anyway, just curious as to why you think Murtha's seat will be removed and who will do it? If Democrats control the process in the state will they eliminate his seat and why? Because of the scandals? Considering the vast amount of earmarks Murtha has secured for the district, I wonder if eliminating him will have the adverse effect, angering the citizens in the district?


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On Murtha
3 reasons:

1) The population loss has been from the western end of the state, so it's coming from this side. PA-12 has actually lost the most people.
2) I'm not optimistic on Dems controlling the process. We're going into a bad year, our good candidate are understandably starting behind, but they are still really behind. Also the majority we have in the state house is less than the number of fingers I have on each of my hands. If we're going down in the Gov race, I expect the State House to follow.
3) There are rumors Murtha is looking for an out this year, something I read somewhere asking about what he could do with money he already had should he decide to call it quits.

It just feels that PA-12 and PA-18 are going to be combined, creating a larger GOP district.

25, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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Interesting
Was just curious, thanks for the post :)

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Maybe it's some tunnel vision on my part...
...but I think Georgia could be a huge problem for the Republicans, especially in Metro Atlanta*.  

1. Scott and Lewis' districts look to contract, leaving lots of mostly Democratic voters (and mostly minority voters) free.  Johnson could absorb some.

2. GA-07 is shifting out from under Linder.  
2.a. You could continue the current strategy of having GA-04 absorb more of the Democratic parts of Gwinnett County.  
2.b. However, if Johnson is absorbing more of GA-05 and GA-13, then he can't absorb more of the Democratic parts of Gwinnett.
2.c. With GA-10 needing to expand, the ability to add rural areas to GA-07 is more limited.
2.d. Even if you did have rural areas to add, Gwinnett as grown so much, you can't really add a lot.
2.e. You could add exurban areas but you're starting to get into the turf of other Republicans.  
2.e.i. If one of the Republicans from Hall County wins GA-09, then that may take that county off the list.
2.e.ii. Go north into North Fulton, and your dealing with Tom Price.  
2.e.ii.a. Price's district itself is starting to look like a ticking time bomb as the DeKalb portions are already 40% Democratic (and that was against an also-ran) and Sandy Springs went like 45% for Obama.  
2.e.ii.b. You take Republican parts of Price's district away, where are you going to make up the difference?  Drive him further into DeKalb, into the even more Democratic portions?  Into Atlanta?  
2.e.ii.c. Take up more of Cobb County and you risk drawing Gingrey out of his district.  
2.e.ii.d. Going north doesn't work because you'll have to take A LOT of land area and may end up bisecting GA-09.  Again, if the new representative there is from Hall County, then they'll have no where to go, other than to force Broun and the new rep into the same district.  If the new GA-09 is from the western part of the district, you'll have to run him further down the border, taking up lot's of Gingrey's district, risking forcing Gingrey into the same district as either GA-09 or Westermoreland's district.

3. The new district will be mostly or entirely within Metro Atlanta.  The question becomes: where?  
3.a. If Linder and the GA-09 representative are taking up much of the white exurban areas, then you're left with the far more Democratic middle-ring suburbs South of Atlanta.
3.b. Same thing if GA-04 takes on more of Gwinnett: it then can't take on Rockdale County.
3.c. Again, same thing if GA-13 contracts, leaving its Henry areas free.
3.d. If the Middle Georgia districts are having to pick up more area, then the Republicans' ability to weight the South Atlanta suburbs down with white Republican areas becomes more limited as those areas are getting thrown into GA-10, GA-03, etc.

4. At some point down the road, the growth of Kennesaw State University in Gingrey's district is going to cause him trouble, at the very least, reducing the parts of Cobb suitable for Republican districts.

5. Most of the Democratic areas of Metro Atlanta are contiguous (basically) and large.  The ability to crack and pack is limited.

6. How long into the future can even the white suburbs be reliably Republican?  Outside of diversifiction, growth issues (e.g. need for environmental protection) and social moderation (higher education, more contact with gays, weakening of the church as a central focus) are cited as reasons for the suburban shift toward Democrats.  That may not be an issue now, but it will be down the road.

(*I use the Census-defined version of Metro Atlanta, which encompasses 28 counties.)

As I was typing that, I was wondering if it sounded like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.


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Washigton districts
I did a map on 10 districts. My conclusion was that oneof the eastern districts gets some eastern {republican] territory, making whichever district involved R.

2 easter r districts now
1 new
if some district other than 8 is moved east, D will have to take 8 to maintain the D count. If 8 moves east, it will be out of reach.

Joe Cooper


[ Parent ]
Translation?
Move 8 out into the rural areas and make the new district in western/central WA to lean blue?

Also, anyway to make WA-3 more dem?

25, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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I have such mixed feelings on MN
Losing a seat guarantees Bachmann being a goner.  The way the districts would need to expand and where Bachmann lives makes her existence in a 7 seat map only possible if Minneapolis and St Paul are combined into one district, which would only happen if the GOP get the trifecta and that is a tall order with 87/47 and 46/21 minorities in the state house and senate respectively.

Now Im inspired and am going to see what that'd look like on Dave's.


Wups, sorry for the double comment
I forgot to add in something to my above that is a whole other topic so I'll be a d and do a double comment in a row.

How can Florida miss another district by a larger population margin than other seats yet be higher on the list to getting another seat?


Love that you linked to wikipedia
but this is clearly something I shouldnt tackle at 4:30am after drinking...

[ Parent ]
Yup
Speaking of which, how receptive do you think the House would be to expanding its own size so that no state loses a seat? Constitutionally, they can do so by statute.  

[ Parent ]
It would probably reject the idea
More representatives means less power for each of the current representatives.

[ Parent ]
I think the bigger objection would be
that it would create even more uncertainty in redistricting. So many open seats can cause instability.

But House seats are clearly already too big IMO.


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What about the 2 new seats?
1 for DC and 1 into the mix (for Utah for now)?

The Senate passed this, with the pro-gun amendment, right? But it seems to have lanuished. Anyone know if this is on the House agenda sometime?


[ Parent ]
I think it's dead
And in any case, it's not enough.

[ Parent ]
The gun amendment is what killed it
Leadership wont allow it to come up for a vote now because of it IIRC.

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A dead heat
According to Minnesota state demographer Tom Gillaspy (who knew we had a state demographer) The difference among California, Texas, Missouri and Minnesota for the last three seats is about 2,200 people, which is well within the potential estimating error.

http://www.twincities.com/ci_1...

Just a guess on my part but I think California could be the state that comes up short. The economy is in worse shape than the other states and with a large number of non citizens it could be tougher to get an accurate count.

BTW A Dem controlled redistricting in Minnesota can get rid of Bachmann almost as easily if Minnesota keeps 8 seats as if it loses one.


MN-Gov is a must win
for my 2010.  Time to finally have real progressive legislation AND a solid congressional map.

[ Parent ]
yes and yes
Will there be a third-party candidate to help throw the race to the GOP this time?

[ Parent ]
There will be a Independence Party Candidate
The IP is a fact of life in Minnesota but I don't think it hurts either major party more than the other. If you believe the exit polls Norm Coleman would have beat Al Franken in a two way race so the IP can "throw" a race both ways.  

[ Parent ]
It depends on the race
Franken and Coleman were both very unlikable so the Independence Party vote was a wash across the spectrum.

MN-Gov 06 though, you can definitely tell more of a chunk for the Ind. candidate came from DFLers.  I havent gone through every county in the state for specific results but I have found only two that go above the overall state average, Hennepin and Ramsey County.  And the part of the state that is what gave Ventura the win, the suburban/exurban counties voted for below the state average.

And the Star Tribune made a list of how the DFL lost that election.  Hatch and his foot in mouth disease, Dutch not knowing what E85 was*, and the Ind. candidates getting more of the vote than expected in St. Paul.

Or like in 2008 with Bachmann.  That Ind. candidate got 10% of the vote and it's probably a pretty fair assumption most of that was from conservative-to-moderate voters who could not bring themselves to vote for Bachmann but were not going to vote for the DFLer.  No evidence of this save for gut feeling, but I think the Ind. party attracs disgruntled voters who dont like their candidate, sometimes both party candidates are not likeable like Franken and Coleman, or it comes down to one party like Hatch and Bachmann.

*Yes, our Lt Gov candidate was asked about E85.  Her response was, what is that?  This is when we lost the race as it all went down-hill from there.  Anyone got a better, more moronic self-implosion?


[ Parent ]
OK, I'll bite
What's E85?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Ethanol (well, 85% ethanol, 15 gasoline) n/t


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Honestly
I'd rather Missouri lose a seat than Minasota.  MN is much more likely to elect a dem pres than Missouri is.  Plus, with Jay Nixon not up until 2012 he'll be able to veto anything too crazy.  Plus once Ike Skelton is gone we are only going to have 3 pretty solidly democratic seats.  So getting rid of one of the repub seats in Missouri would be nice.  Plus, Obama's worst district in Missouri is 45 whereas his worst in Missouri was 35.  We could probably turn one or two of Minasota's red seats blue whereas an incumbent protection minus one republican in Missouri.  That'd be the best of both worlds.

I agree.
I'm hoping Minnesota closes strong and keeps its eighth district.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

[ Parent ]
If MN does lose a seat this time around
we're probably in a better position that most other states to gain it back.

I wish I could cite this statistic as it sounds almost absurd but the metro area is expected to gain a million new residents by 2020.  We have a rapidly dying Greater Minnesota population so a certain percentage of that is just shifts, but immigrants from Laos, Ethiopia, Somalia, and Central America are providing an extremely constant flow of new residents.  Minneapolis' population is going to be on a very steady path of growth for the first time in decades as the city renovates several ghetto neighborhoods in downtown with condos, streetscaping, and what will eventually be an excellent network of lightrail, commuter rail, street cars, and bus lines.  (That wont be all done until 2030 or so, and that's if the funding is constantly there.)

Also, where I went to high school, the population is exploding much like AZ, FL, and TX.  My hometown probably came close to doubling this past decade, as have all of the other exurbs around my area which will soon cause me to call them suburbs once they become a bit more self-sufficient and less hick.  When I first moved to St. Michael-Albertville in 8th grade, every single person in my grade was white save for 2 black guys, one of whom loved Bush ::sigh::.  By the time I graduated, we were a huge hodge-podge of races as the housing market is so cheap that poorer minorities cant afford to move to the suburbs for good schools but the exurbs provide that possibility.

What's interesting is that the city is growing predominantly with upper-middle class whites who want to live in the city and the exurbs are growing with poorer minorities trying to find good schools.  St Paul is extremely behind Minneapolis in this regard as there is very little downtown growth but still the decline of minorities who are moving further out from the city.  There are some good plans to fix the lack of downtown St Paul growth, particularly that it'll eventually house a transit station that'll be the hub for 4 different rail lines.


[ Parent ]
Texas will most likely be +2 Dem
Whether Texas gets 3 or 4 seats I don't see how the GOP could redistrict it so they could get 3 GOP/1 Dem or 2 GOP/1 Dem.

They gotta protect Sessions in TX-32 and Marchant in TX-24 and they will also further solidify the GOP incumbents in TX-6,12 and 26 in the process, all they'll have to do is use a new district to rope in the minority vote from the southern part of TX-32, grab some out of TX-24, travel thinly through Arlington and rope in the central and southern part of Fort Worth.

Of course a new Dem seat in Harris County is possible, and TX-23 may be used to avoid the possibility of a new Hispanic seat in South Texas.  They may move it out of Bexar County entirely.


Not necessarily
I've heard a lot of people saying that the GOP needs to concede two of the seats, and that really isn't true unless VRA forces them to. Don't forget that many Texas districts were drawn with huge Republican surpluses to get rid of long-time rural Democratic incumbents. TX-05 and TX-06 are extremely Republican so Martin Frost would have had nowhere to go. In fact, if the GOP is willing to draw a bunch of tendrils out to rural areas, I would argue that they could go for all 4 new districts without significant risk.

[ Parent ]
If they follow the path
of the Florida Republicans in 2002, that's exactly what will happen.

[ Parent ]
Not all 4
In DFW it seems like the GOP has little choice but to draw a new packed Dem seat.  Much of the population growth in DFW has been in the conservative Collin and Denton Counties where it would be easy to protect TX-32 which is moving away from the GOP, especially as Dallas County moves.  Plus the population decrease in West Texas is going to force the GOP to use more of the exurbs to get those districts back up.

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