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NY-Sen-B: Two New Polls Differ Widely in Gillibrand-Thompson Matchup

by: DavidNYC

Tue Dec 15, 2009 at 10:01 PM EST


Speculation about outgoing NYC Comptroller Bill Thompson's future has been all over the place. Rumors include a run for state comptroller, a run for Charlie Rangel's House seat, a second run for mayor in 2013, or a primary challenge to appointed Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand. That last possibility is the subject of two new polls, which offer widely differeing results.

Quinnipiac (12/7-13, registered voters, no trendlines):

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-inc): 28
Bill Thompson (D): 41
Other: 1
Undecided: 28
(MoE: ±3.7%)

As you might expect, Thompson cleans up among black voters, 65-11. Interestingly, he also leads among women, 39-28. Gillibrand gets good favorables among Democrats (34-7), but Thompson, probably by virtue of his recent mayoral campaign, is even better known among members of his own party (45-6). In the state as a whole, both Dems have pretty low name rec, with Gillibrand at just 26-15 faves and Thompson at 25-10. (This almost certainly explains why both are shown losing to non-candidate Rudy Giuliani - Gillibrand is down 50-40, and Thompson is down 52-36.)

Siena (PDF) (12/6-9, registered voters, no trendlines):

Kirsten Gillibrand (D-inc): 32
Bill Thompson (D): 23
Harold Ford (D): 7
Jonathan Tasini (D): 3
Undecided: 35
(MoE: ±5.5%)

Somewhat hilariously, Siena tested Harold Ford (yeah, that Harold Ford) - hopefully this is the last we'll hear of that nonsense. In any event, while the Dem head-to-head margins diverge considerably, both pollsters show Gillibrand with similar levels of support. Also, some of the favorables (PDF) don't look too different. Gillibrand is 31-22 overall and 35-18 among Dems, while Thompson is at 25-17 and 32-16 (that last number differs the most). Gillibrand nets similar numbers against Rudy (49-42), but edges Pataki (46-43), while Thompson loses 56-34 and 49-36, respectively.

So it's hard to say what exactly is going on here. Polling folks with such low name recognition can be tricky. What's more, neither Siena nor Quinnipiac divulges their sample composition (come on, guys), so we can't judge who best has their finger on the pulse of the state. I'll also note that Siena had a smaller sample than Q - exactly how small, I'm not sure, because they didn't reveal their Dem-only sample size. But Quinnipiac tested more Dems (719) than Siena's entire sample (665). (UPDATE: Siena's Dem sample size was 315.) Anyhow, this may all be moot if Thompson doesn't take the plunge, but food for thought nonetheless.

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Thompson's mayoral run = stepping-stone to Comptroller run
That's how I tended to view his candidacy, and I suspect the NY Dem establishment + Andrew Cuomo will put the pressure on Thompson to lean against challenging Gillibrand. Frankly, he'd probably defeat her, but the Comptroller run seems to make more sense, plus he definitely has a solid political career ahead of him.  

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Schumer
has been Gillibrand's mentor since her first House race.
If need be, he'd probably have a chat with Thompson to consider something else than Senate.

I'm still so impressed with how close Thompson came to an upset.


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Needs To Be A Better Candidate
I can't judge Thompson's ability as an active politician (I don't think the NYC comptroller's position provides much of an opportunity to show one's political chops). But I think he did not run a good campaign for mayor, and I think that was the consensus opinion. His ads were grating, and he never made the case as to why he deserved the spot over Bloomberg.

Yes, Bloomberg almost lost. But I think that was because of a backlash on how Bloomberg handled term limits, not because of anything Thompson did. If Thompson "has a solid political career ahead of him," he's going to have to revamp how he runs his campaigns.


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Thompson ran a miserable campaign, but did marvelous GOTV
That's really what made the difference on election night - the Bloomberg folks were content and comfortable and convinced by their double-digit poll leads, while the Thompson camp worked like hell, barnstorming the heavy-Hispanic/African-American districts. Yes, Bill Thompson was a pretty lackluster candidate, but he surrounded himself with smart people.

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Oooh, I like the idea of primarying Rangel.
Any odds of it actually happening? It would get rid of a Republican talking point, for one thing.

Rangel
is getting primaried by an ex-aide named Vince Morgan.
Clearly, Thompson would be a huge step up as a challenger.

I wonder if Thompson would be willing to risk his current political capital to take on Rangel. (Though he did give up his old job to take on Bloomberg. So obviously he's willing to take a risk.)


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