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KY-Sen: Rand Paul Leads GOP Primary in SUSA Poll

by: DavidNYC

Wed Nov 04, 2009 at 10:24 PM EST


Survey USA (10/30-11/02, likely voters for primaries, registered voters for general, 8/15-17 in parens):

Rand Paul (R): 35 (26)
Trey Grayson (R): 32 (37)
Other: 15 (20)
Undecided: 18 (17)
(MoE: 4.7%)

Dan Mongiardo (D): 39 (39)
Jack Conway (D): 28 (31)
Other: 18 (17)
Undecided: 16 (14)
(MoE: 4.1%)

Check out those GOP primary numbers. If Rand Paul knocks off Trey Grayson, that really would be quite the coup. The Paulists represent a different, weirder strain of outsider Republicans than do the teabaggers, but I almost wonder if they might make common cause in a race like this. On the other hand, I've gotten the sense that Greyson fits the mold of the tribal conservative, so he ought to satisfy the extremists despite his establishment cred. Despite his millions, Ron Paul's high-water mark in the GOP primaries last year was just 24% (Idaho), so I'm a bit skeptical that Rand's stronger fundraising alone is the reason for his surge - or perhaps this just means the comparison of son to father is imperfect. Either way, I'm eager to hear from folks on the ground in Kentucky. (And I also want to see if other pollsters confirm this movement.)

The Dem primary numbers are a bit frustrating. Despite getting crushed on the fundraising front and having several embarrassing tapes get released, Dan Mongiardo still leads Jack Conway. Not only do I like Conway far better, he performs better against both Republicans (more on that in a moment). Still, there are a lot of votes up for grabs, and the primary isn't until May. What's more, Mongiardo is beating Conway 2-to-1 among self-identified liberals (who make up a fifth of the Dem electorate); given that Conway is largely running to Mongiardo's left, he ought to be able to make serious headway with that group. For his part, Conway just put out an internal poll from the Benenson Strategy Group showing him down just three points.

Dan Mongiardo (D): 38 (40)
Trey Grayson (R): 48 (46)
Undecided: 14 (16)

Jack Conway (D): 39 (37)
Trey Grayson (R): 43 (44)
Undecided: 18 (18)

Jack Conway (D): 44 (43)
Rand Paul (R): 39 (38)
Undecided: 17 (19)

Dan Mongiardo (D): 43 (43)
Rand Paul (R): 43 (41)
Undecided: 15 (16)
(MoE: ±2.4%)

The fact that Mongiardo has slipped all the way back to ten points behind Grayson troubles me, as does the fact that he's tied with Paul. Meanwhile, Conway's numbers have improved a touch. Still, a lot can and probably will change between now and election day. The real news, though, is that Mitch McConnell and his merry band of potentates have a lot to worry about right now.

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So will Sarah endorse Dr. Rand
after her "success" in NY-23?

I realize they're different types of "wingnuts," but are both against the R party establishment..


They have little in common
Wingnuts despise Paulist views more than establishment guys, but never have had reason to tangle with them.

Ron Paul's one debate comment about the war made wingnuts heads explode.

This is a whole different third column of trouble for Team Red, though it looks like only one state will be effected.


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Hm
Rand Paul supporters are going to be going cracy.
I'm a bit disappointed about Mongolian expanding his lead on Jack Conway. Mongolian was supposed to have imploded. It's going to be hard for Dems to pick this seat regardless, but with Mongolian it's probably not going to go so well.

Erm
"Mongolian"? Really?

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Spell check..
lol

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Oh please
I want a Paul/Conway matchup so bad. Picking up a open seat in Kentucky in 2010 = Stake in the heart of conservative sweep arguments.  

KY
How in the world does Mongiardo expand his lead after the horrible month he had?

29/D/Male/NY-01

With A Kentucky Electorate....
....where only 51% believe Obama was born in America, it's gonna be a brutally tough race for any Democrat in this climate.  I'm surprised Mongiardo is underperforming Conway though.  

Surprised? Really?
He did so well in 2004 because Bunning imploded, not because he's a good candidate.  He's already made some rookie mistakes.  (Being recorded badmouthing your runningmate from last election who carried you a better job?  Then, being recorded badmouthing your running mate from last election after being recorded badmouthing your running mate from last election).  


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Rand
I can't believe that Ron Paul actually named his kid "Rand."

OK, so actually I can.

But how much "real Kentucky" does Rand actually have in him? Either he does not really have enough appeal to actually win, or Kentucky has gone all the way off the cliff.


Tell that to Jon Corzine
Mike Bloomberg, Al Checchi, etc. etc.

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Money certainly helps though
And of those three people, only Checchi's money didn't help him at all. Corzine won two elections out of three thanks to his wealth (three campaigns out of four if we count the competitive 2000 U.S. Senate primary against Florio), and Bloomberg has still won three elections out of three, even if this one was only by a few percentage points.  

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I dunno...
In my experience, no amount of money can overcome "One of us"ism. So it'll all depend on how credibly Paul can sell his Bluegrassiness. And on that note, didn't he launch his campaign in NYC?

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not to mention that
Southern Kentucky is an interesting land when it comes to primary voting. Connections count, and so goes having a good "GOTV" operation in those counties. GOTV is what the campaigns call it, but the federal prosecutors sometimes call it votebuying.

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Can't Imagine Paul Going in for that
Or for trying to out-Bluegrass his opponent, either. At least if he's much like his dad, who seems to consider a lot of that sort of pandering beneath him.

Don't get me wrong, Ron Paul is just a fruitbat. But at least he seems to relish telling people what they don't want to hear.


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Not that strange
"Rand" is an unusual nickname, but his given name is actually "Randal," a variation on the not-uncommon "Randall."

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wtf
What is wrong with Kentucky dems if they are still willing to vote for Mongiardo after his antics last month?  Did this not get any press or something?

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

Beshear is a dick
Calling a dick a dick may not be polite, but it seems improve your popularity.

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How many people are really paying attention yet?
The primary isn't until May 18. How much attention did Mongiardo's comments receive outside of the blogosphere? I don't remember hearing Governor Beshear or a spokesperson commenting on the leaked audio. If voters aren't paying much attention (which I suspect that they're not), then the first thing that they probably think of is that Mongiardo is "the guy that nearly beat Bunning last time." Hence, a lot of Mongiardo's support is probably residual.

Also, I recall that Beshear is privately pretty angry about the whole thing. While he hasn't made any moves now, what are the chances that he switches his endorsement to Conway closer to the primaries?


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what in the hell are SurveyUSA's definitions for region?
the Republican primary sample is

26% western, 17% eastern, 32% north central, 25% Louisville

the only thing that throws off this sample is that they're probably dividing Southern Kentucky (a Republican stronghold) and grouping CD4 and CD6.


Is anyone else creeped out about Ron Paul
naming his son "Rand" after "Ayn Rand"? I mean whoa, talk about brainwashing with his name picking...

How well do you think the Paul coalition would play in a populist-conservative state like Kentucky?


lol
His full name is Randall.  For all we know he just likes the shorter nickname.

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