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DE-Sen, DE-AL: Castle Leaning Toward Senate Run or Retirement

by: James L.

Thu Apr 23, 2009 at 5:14 PM EDT


It's starting to look like the DCCC's power-play of recruiting former Lt. Gov John Carney to run against Mike Castle for Delaware's at-large House seat may be successful in pushing the aging incumbent out of the House -- and possibly into the state's open seat Senate race instead. From Roll Call:

Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) said Thursday that he's leaning more toward running for Senate rather than another term in the House, if he decides to run for Congress again in 2010.

In an interview on Capitol Hill, Castle also acknowledged that several GOP Senators, including John McCain (Ariz.), have been pushing him in recent weeks to make the move to the other side of Capitol Hill. He said a final decision on his 2010 plans would likely have to come by early summer "at the latest."

It seems that since Castle figures he's going to get the race of his lifetime, he's decided that if he's going to run again in 2010 at all, he might as well go out with a bang by trying his hand at the Senate:

Castle said that he met last month with Carney, whom he considers a friend, and knew at that point that the former lieutenant governor was planning on jumping into the House race.

At that meeting Castle told Carney "there's probably a better chance I'll run for the Senate than the House. [But] I said there's a chance I won't run at all."

While Castle believes he can beat Carney - a recent poll showed Castle winning a head-to-head contest - the Delaware Congressman said the race would represent his toughest challenge since his first election in 1992 against another former lieutenant governor, S.B. Woo (D).

While this news would seem to push DE-AL just shy of Joe Cao's seat in Louisiana on the flip index, Castle's entry in the Senate race would create an instantly competitive contest. A recent PPP poll had Castle leading Democrat Beau Biden by 44-36 for the open seat.

In other words, the DCCC's gain could end up being the DSCC's headache.

James L. :: DE-Sen, DE-AL: Castle Leaning Toward Senate Run or Retirement
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That sucks
The Senate seat is infinitely more important than a House seat.

Perhaps, but Castle might not run for more than one term
and this would Beau Biden's chance to really prove himself.

The way I see it progressive Democrats are going to pick up several seats in states like New Hampshire, Pennsylvania and Ohio anyway, with likely conservative Democrats also being added from NC and Kentucky. We could lose one reliable Democratic vote and still have a pretty strong, filibuster-proof majority.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


Eh, losing this one would be a major failure
I'd rather not expand the playing field in the GOP's favor, especially with an already expensive defensive race in Connecticut to worry about.

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It's impossible to hope we could two
cycles in a row with just one seriously challenged seat. Right now this would put our total number of threatened seats too...2. That's not a wide playing field. Hopefully Dodd will get to the end of the year, see his approvals are still in the dumps and he's trailing by wide margins, and then excit gracefully and allow Blumenthal to step in and crush Simmons.

If Dodd were to step out and allow Blumenthal, the second most popular politician in Connecticut to run, this race would be off the radar leaving the GOP only one seat they could contest serously.

And this is good. No one gets to whine about dynasty candidates or anything. This gives Beau a chance to permanently earn his stripes and prove himself to be worthy of holding the seat.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Yeah
I think it really says something about GOP fortunes that they think their best shots at picking up Senate seats are in Connecticut, Illiois, Delaware, etc.

While they did go after Landrieu in 2008, their top-tier candidates were in Maryland and New Jersey in 2006.

Interesting that our red-state incumbents are so tough to dislodge nowadays.


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its really indicative of what i love about the Democratic Party
Mainly that we allow a great diversity of view points and we are truly a party of more than one mindset, which can't be said of Republicans. There are no genuinely liberal Republicans anymore, the last ones, Chafee, Leach, Gilchrest, they lost the last two cycles. There however many genuinely conservative Democrats.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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That's what I like about the party too.
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Frankly?
I'd rather keep a Democrat in Delaware than gain one in Kentucky, obviously I'd like both, but the Delaware Senator is going to be a whole lot better than the Kentucky one (Tom Carper aside...)

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Jack Conway
would be more liberal than Tom Carper.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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True enough
Although that speaks more about how out of step Carper is with Delaware (not to trash Conway who would be pretty solid for Team Blue, especially given being from Kentucky)

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Beau
Is there any reason to think that Beau Biden would be notably to the left of Tom Carper? His father wasn't exactly Bernie Sanders.

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But his father WAS to the left of Tom Carper


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DE
I always thought DE was a fiscally moderate state, which is what Carper is. Maybe Im wrong, though.

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out of the frying pan
and into the fire for mister castle.  when does beau biden come back from iraq?

If he wants a difficult race...
... why raise only $72k?  I'm not sure I buy this.

I think that's a little presumptuous
Do you really think that Mike Castle is scared of John Carney? I doubt it. I imagine that if he retires or runs for the Senate it'll be for personal reasons, not because Steve Israel is some recruiting genius.

I think he realizes that Carney would pose a significant challenge
Scared? Not sure about that. But I do think that Castle realizes that this cycle is going to be a lot more work than he's used to. Let's face it, Castle hasn't faced a real race in well over a decade, and he's already under the 50% bubble against Carney in what has become a pretty blue state. I think Castle knows that if he's going to run in 2010, he's going to have to work hard no matter which race he chooses.

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Yep.
Exactly what I was thinking, which is why I believe that "I may not run at all" will wind up the result of all this.

Castle doesnt want to run against Carney, who is popular and can raise money, so why would we think he would want to run against the VP's son who is also popular and can raise more money?

Yes, an open seat in the Senate is infintely more appealing than a contested race in the House when victory will still mean a powerless voice in the minority, especially when you are polling 8 points ahead of your strongest potential opponent, but this is DE and the VP's full support will be behind his son, which also likely includes the full support of the President.  Castle cannot really believe this race will be much easier than another House run, if any easier.

My sense is Castle is leaning towards retirement, especially considering that Q1 fundraising number.


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Maybe Castle could be offered a nice job
in the Obama administration to cap off his career without having to worry about going out on a losing note.

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Perhaps putting him in charge of the US Mint
seeing as how the only thing that seems to interest him is coinage-related legislation.

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If he does run for the Senate
I think that actually neutralizes an advantage of Castle's, arguing that his nearly 20 years in the House have built up a certain amount of chits, knowledge of the House, seniority, etc. that can be used to Delaware's benefit.

If he decides to move up into the Senate, then, either way, Delaware is getting a rookie.  The choice then is between an aging rookie who'll be part of a minority caucus (probably, after 2010, a filibuster-proof one) that most Delawareans really disagree with, or a young(ish) rookie who'll be part of the majority caucus with close and influential ties to Pops and the very popular President of the United States.


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Good point
And I think most people will realize Castle is only going to serve one Senate term.  There's not a lot of incentive for voters to elect a guy who is basically guaranteed to be a member of the minority party in the Senate for 6 years, followed by a retirement.

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Nov. 2010
We cant really say, right now, Obama will be very popular in Nov. 2010. Thats way too long from now.  

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Delaware's own Joe Biden will still be VP
Even if Obama's popularity falls off I'll bet it's effect in Delaware is less than in other states.

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I'd rather have Castle face off against Biden than against Carney
I think more wheels would turn for Biden than they would for Carney.  He's the Vice President's son, Obama and Biden would definitely make an appearance for him and a senate seat, not so much a house seat.  Starting only down 8 points here will be easy to make up in the big picture.  

Agreed
As I said at the time that poll lead isn't particularly impressive considering the stature the guy has in the state. Besides, his fundraising certainly doesn't suggest he is preparing to run for anything.

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Our best hope is if he retires altogether
But, in the worst case, if Castle beats Beau and joins the Senate, would he really vote on strict party line?  I mean there wouldn't be much incentive for him to do so since it's likely that he'll be in it for just one term...

You could look at it from another angle
If he's only in it for one term, he's free to vote as conservatively as he wants -- and since he hasn't exactly been much of a maverick in the House this session, I'm gonna guess that he'd be a fairly douchey vote in the Senate.

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Doubt it
His voting record would probably be similar to Chafee's.

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Yeah
just look how supportive he's been of the budget and the stimulus package this year.

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My money is on Castle retiring
Why would he go from a tough race to a tougher race, when he's been sleepwalking through Congressional races for the last decade?

My thoughts
Good news all around.

1. It basically hands us a House seat if he leaves it open.
2. I'm not convinced Castle would have a clear path in the republican primary for the Senate race if he runs.  You just know the Club for Growth and other right-wing groups would set out to destroy Castle.
3. Castle would be an underdog even if he did win the Republican nomination for Senate.


Run for Senate?
Nah, that's just bluster.  Castle is retiring.  If he's not sure whether he can beat Carney, he definitely isn't sure about his ability to beat Biden for the Senate seat.  The DCCC might not spend heavily against Castle, given his ability to hold that entrenched House seat, but the DSCC would unleash hell on the guy if he tried to take a Senate seat from us.

This reminds me of former Senator Chuck Hagel "almost" running for president, when in fact he had no intention to do so and was basically done with politics.

Former Rep. Tom Davis also chose to abandon the House after he realized the long odds he faced in a Senate race, or if he chose to run for re-election instead.

I would bet money Castle isn't a candidate for anything next November, with statements like that, and fundraising like this.


I agree completely...
Michael Castle is preparing to leave Washington altogether. I think the reality of life as a lonely moderate in the minority along with the prospect of a tough race against John Carney has led him to see the writing on the wall.

The man is showing every one of its 71 years and he has recently had health problems. I know Delaware is a small state, but a House incumbent who raises only $70K in the last quarter is not preparing for a bloody fight to move up to the Senate in a state that's become rough territory for the GOP.

Nevertheless, if for some wacky reason he decided to go on this suicide mission, I think Beau Biden could defeat him, although it would be a bloody, expensive fight.

He missed his chance to be Senator nine years ago when he declined on pushing 79-year-old GOP Senator William Roth into retirement through a primary, effectively handing outgoing Gov. Carper a free shot at a feeble opponent.


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Carper was more popular
than him anyway at the time and would still have beaten him.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I agree with you on that...
Oh, I definitely agree that Carper would have probably beaten Castle if they had run against each other in 2000. I just think it would have been a closer result and a much harder fought contest than the 56%-44% blowout that Carper won over Bill Roth.

On another note, I know the Senate is increasingly looking like a retirement home, but a 71-year-old freshman senator?  He would make current freshmen senators like Jim Risch and Tom Udall (both in their 60's) look like babies.


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He's probably going to retire.... but....
He probably will retire, but that does not mean he doesn't want move up to the Senate for one last legacy run. He's probably keeping the door just in case, but I doubt he will do it.

Besides, like someone said earlier, the DSCC will tear the !@#$%^* out of him if ran. They aren' going to go easy on him - on the other hand, if he ran for reelection, the DCCC might be inclined against run hard against him. But as someone sai earlier, his fundraising isn't good.

My prediction: If He retires, and win both the Senate and House seat. If he doesn't, will lose one or the either.  


Good
I think a House race would be the hardest to win. Beau Biden will get major help from the White House, DNC and DSCC. He may not be a better candidate but he will get much more national help and effort beacuse of the shear embarrassment of the Vice Presidents son losing. A lot of national money would come into play and Castle's got plenty on his record to attack (stimulus, budget to name two). And so I honestly can't see us losing a Castle / Biden race while I could easily see Castle beating Carney.

Hopefully he'll just retire and spare us all the trouble.  


You just made me realize something potentially important.
Are Repubs going to throw everything they can into trying to derail Beau Biden Jr as a proxy for his father and the prez? The potential for symbolism and spin probably outweighs the realities that they have greener pastures to pursue (not to mention a ton of defense to worry about).

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One suspects so
though it will depend on who the candidate is; if they don't get Castle, there's really not much point.  If they get Castle, then, yes, Beau would become a lightning rod for enemies of the administration (but also for its friends, and, especially right now and in Delaware, there's more of those).

Would have the potential to draw significant Republican resources away from other races, now that I think about it.


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