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Redistricting 2011: Ind., Mo., & Oregon

by: Nathaniel90

Sat Apr 04, 2009 at 2:20 AM EDT


This, Episode 8 of my never-ending redistricting series, is a diary of firsts. It is the first time I have covered three states instead of the customary two (the reason being that I was pairing a larger state with a smaller one, and this diary covers three mid-sized states), and the first time I have covered a state not expected to either gain or lose seats in the next reapportionment (Indiana, which should hold even at 9 seats).

Previous efforts:
Diary 1: Massachusetts and Texas
Diary 2: Michigan and Nevada
Diary 3: Iowa and Ohio
Diary 4: Georgia and New Jersey
Diary 5: Florida and Louisiana
Diary 6: Pennsylvania and Utah
Diary 7: Illinois and South Carolina

Jump below!

Nathaniel90 :: Redistricting 2011: Ind., Mo., & Oregon
First, why these three states? Well, they are three states of contrast. Number-crunchers anticipate that Oregon will gain a seat, Missouri lose one, and Indiana hold even after the 2010 Census and resulting reapportionment. (I should note that Oregon and Missouri are both on the fringes; a slowdown of Midwest-West migration in the next year could easily keep both at their current sizes, preventing Oregon from hitting 6 seats and saving Missouri from dropping its 9th spot). Further, the map in Oregon is likely to be drawn by Democrats, in Indiana by Republicans, and in Missouri through bipartisan negotiation (Republicans dominate the legislature, but the Governor is Democrat Jay Nixon, and his veto authority should force a relatively incumbent-friendly map).

First, Indiana

As if the redistricting process weren't already enough of an ego-driven, virulently partisan power grab in most states, Indiana makes it worse; even though the Democrats run the state House, Republicans are almost assured to ram through a GOP-friendly gerrymander. This is because Indiana gives the legislature two ways to go about drawing maps: the chambers can work together to pass a consensus map (since the Senate is in GOP hands and the House under Dem control, this would likely mean incumbent protection), or if one party has both the governor's mansion and one chamber of the legislature, that party has the power to draw the maps regardless of who runs the other chamber. This is a unique provision, from what I can tell, and not one of which I particularly approve (why have two chambers if one of them can bypass the other by dealing with its own party's governor?). But at least you can't accuse the Republicans alone of abusing it; Democrats rammed through their own map in 2001, which a large part of why Joe Donnelly and Brad Ellsworth are now in Congress. Since GOP leaders in the Senate are unlikely to want a feel-good compromise after seeing the Dems get their way last round, I'm counting on the most aggressive possible GOP map in the state.

The good news is this: the Democrats have three marginal districts, and because of trends in the state, I believe the Republicans can only dismantle two. Who are the unlucky two? As I see things, they are Donnelly and Baron Hill. (I don't remember which poster here on SwingStateProject originally suggested such a situation to me, but whoever you are, I now think you're 100% right!)

"What?", the astute SSP junkie is thinking. "Obama won IN-02 easily and tied in IN-09...why wouldn't they go after Ellsworth, whose district McCain won by a modest margin?"

The answer is two-pronged: first, wrecking Donnelly's seat is not that hard, even if Northern Indiana does lean Democratic nowadays. Dem votes can easily be packed into Pete Visclosky's already-safe and very slow-growing district, leaving the 2nd District a lot more Republican and small town/rural-dominated. But in Southern Indiana, there is enough Democratic support between the 8th and 9th Districts that both cannot reasonably be cracked. Between Obama nearly winning the 9th, and doing respectably in the 8th, an effective gerrymander will ruin Dem chances in one seat while packing blue-leaning counties into the other. The reason for solidifying Ellsworth and targeting Hill? Ellsworth has a proven track record of hugely over-performing the Democratic base vote, while Hill's bipartisan popularity is less established. That, and many of the Dem-friendly cities in the region (Terre Haute, Evansville, Bloomington) fit better geographically in the 8th. I believe Republicans see Ellsworth as more capable of surviving an unfriendly map than Hill, which is why they will do the unthinkable by effectively ceding (for the next few cycles, anyway, or as long as Indiana remains a closely-divided state) the famed Bloody 8th to the Democrats.

Here's what I see in the cards:

Indiana (R)

District 1 - Pete Visclosky (D-Merrillville) -- with all of Lake and Porter Counties, and nearly half of LaPorte, this is a quintessential Democratic seat along the lakeshore.

District 2 - Joe Donnelly (D-Granger) -- outside of Dem-leaning St. Joseph County being intact, there's little for Donnelly to like about this district. The Obama vote is still probably in the mid-40s here, but no doubt this is would be a Republican seat in most election cycles. Donnelly should take a serious look at statewide office if he gets dealt a hand like this.

District 3 - Mark Souder (R-Fort Wayne) -- solid GOP seat centered on Allen County.

District 4 - Steve Buyer (R-Monticello) -- I thought of diluting this hyper-GOP district a bit to hurt Ellsworth but realized that the lines would start to get bizarre and that, as mentioned in the intro, there are too many Democrats in western and southern Indiana to be cracked up without influencing at least one district.

District 5 - Dan Burton (R-Indianapolis) -- I think the current lines in this district are silly and prefer my more compact version, still safely Republican but not so "stretchy".

District 6 - Mike Pence (R-Columbus) -- to help the odious Pence just a tad (he doesn't need much), I gave Obama-supporting Madison County to Burton to split up the swingy/moderately Dem-friendly Anderson/Muncie/Richmond area between two GOP districts.

District 7 - André Carson (D-Indianapolis) -- entirely within Marion County, as before, and still strongly Democratic.

District 8 - Brad Ellsworth (D-Evansville) -- all Ellsworth seems to need to win easily is the combined electoral power of Terre Haute and Evansville, so putting on my bizarro world GOP thinking cap, knowing that it would be easier to dislodge Hill, I attempted to give Ellsworth an actual Democratic seat, one that would have voted for Obama. The coup de grâce, both for packing the 8th with Democrats and for cracking the 9th, was the addition of Monroe County (Bloomington) with its Obama-crazed college students. For a Republican mapmaker, making Ellsworth Congressman-for-life is a small price to pay for winning back the 9th (possibly with Mr. Déjà Vu himself, Mike Sodrel).

District 9 - Baron Hill (D-Seymour) -- He is likely toast as these lines are drawn, since his tougher battles (2002, 2004, 2006) were all made or broken by Dem GOTV in Bloomington. While the district lacked Bloomington back in its 1990s iteration, southeast Indiana was also very accustomed to Lee Hamilton back then, and Hill was clearly the beneficiary of some lingering Hamilton popularity both in 1998 and 2000. As for this take on the 9th, a couple of its Ohio River counties are traditionally Democratic, but the district is more rural and conservative than ever before, so conditions would be just right for Sodrel to finally triumph after losing three of his last four races against the venerable Hill. With a district this unfriendly, Hill might also consider statewide office. He ran respectably against Dan Coats in 1990...and Richard Lugar will be 80 years old in 2012. I'm just saying!

While this map is bad from a Dem standpoint, its worst possible scenario is a 6-3 GOP edge, not as bad as the 7-2 delegation seen between 2004 and 2006. Back then we fretted about the real possibility of 8-1, given Julia Carson's repeated underwhelming performance in the 7th...thanks to Indianapolis turning deep blue and most of southern Indiana moving into swing territory (with some clear Democratic strongholds), 6-3 seems bad in the context of Indiana circa 2009. So, from a broad perspective, Obama genuinely changed the game for the Democratic Party in Hoosierland. And who knows...by 2012, maybe even this unfriendly version of the 2nd District could be held.

Missouri

With a GOP legislature and a Dem Governor, this is an entirely different story. The Show Me State should shed a seat if projections are accurate, but actually surprised demographers a bit by growing sufficiently between 2007 and 2008 to regain a notional loss from 2006. So it wouldn't be too odd if Missouri rebounded enough before the 2010 Census to barely hang on to that 9th seat, possibly depriving a state like Oregon, Washington, North Carolina, or Texas from adding another.

The real question for me was which districts to combine. With power balanced between the parties, it was obvious that one Republican and one Democrat had to face off in a "fair fight" district, leading to an obvious solution: a suburban St. Louis seat forcing Todd Akin (R) and Russ Carnahan (D) together. I tried to draw a district that would be as close to 50-50 as possible for this purpose, knowing the legislature won't draw anything too friendly for Carnahan's south-of-the-city base, and that Gov. Nixon would balk at a map too heavy in Akin's northern suburbs.

The other problem in Missouri was what to do with Ike Skelton's (D) heavily Republican district spanning the rural areas between Kansas City and Columbia. I figured that a bipartisan plan means incumbent protection, and the Democrats know Skelton will be 81 when the 113th Congress convenes and is not far from retirement. I thus drew a swing district stretching from the close-in Kansas City suburbs to college town Columbia that would not only easily reelect Skelton, but provide a future Dem with a decent shot at holding the 4th District.

I do have one question, though, about this: Missouri redistricting authority was split in 2001, with a Democratic Governor and House, and a narrowly GOP-controlled Senate. Bipartisan plans almost always help incumbents; why on earth didn't Skelton get a stronger district then? Perhaps mapmakers knew he would be around for the duration of the decade, and didn't care to gerrymander more friendly territory for future insurance?

Anyway, other than eliminating a St. Louis seat and shoring up the 4th, this map doesn't do a lot else of interest. As a result of Blaine Luetkemeyer's inconvenient choice of residence in Miller County, and Ike Skelton's wholesale capture of Boone County, the 6th is unaesthetic, but the other districts are reasonably shaped.

Missouri (split)

District 1 - William "Lacy" Clay, Jr. (D-St. Louis) -- all of the city of St. Louis as well as 39% of St. Louis County. VRA-protected as a black-majority seat, so if my lines don't fit those guidelines, ignore them and assume I preserved an African-American majority here.

District 2 - Todd Akin (R-Town and Country) vs. Russ Carnahan (D-St. Louis) -- I realize Carnahan lives in St. Louis itself, but compactness suggests keeping the city whole in District 1, so he'd do well to move to the county. The remaining 61% of decidedly Democratic St. Louis County is here, along with 37% of Akin-friendly St. Charles, so clearly I was aiming for a swing seat either man could win.

District 3 - Blaine Luetkemeyer (R-St. Elizabeth) -- the loss of Dem-leaning Boone County is counteracted by the addition of most of Jefferson County, but overall the district favors a Republican, ideally from the greater St. Louis area.

District 4 - Ike Skelton (D-Lexington) -- you can't imagine what it took to get a swing seat out of this territory without violating population equality laws! I don't know why legislators didn't try to protect the 4th for future Democrats back in 2001, but with Skelton's exit from Capitol Hill just a cycle or two away, now is the time to dramatically reshape the 4th's boundaries, whether the rurally inclined Armed Services chairman likes it or not. Between the competitive counties north of Kansas City and the Dem base in Columbia, this district could actually be held when Skelton retires, unlike the current Charlie Stenholm-like rural monstrosity he represents. If Skelton announces his retirement ahead of redistricting in 2011-12, there's actually a good chance the district will be eliminated entirely, but without that foresight I had to attempt a genuine shoring-up.

District 5 - Emanuel Cleaver (D-Kansas City) -- I'm proud that I was able to help "blueify" the 4th while respecting the ideal of compactness in putting Jackson County whole in the 5th. It would have been a lazy solution to split Kansas City itself between the districts, and so I did otherwise, while still moving the 4th's PVI a good 10 points more Democratic.

District 6 - Sam Graves (R-Tarkio) -- because Skelton picks up its Kansas City burbs, this is now a big blob of rural Missouri goodness, as heavily Republican as ever.

District 7 - Roy Blunt (R-Strafford) or his 2010 replacement -- still the heavily evangelical southwest Missouri seat, the most conservative district in the state.

District 8 - Jo Ann Emerson (R-Cape Girardeau) -- other than a couple exurban St. Louis-area counties, this district is dominated by small towns and is safely Republican.

So there would be four safe Republican seats, two safe Democratic seats, and two swing seats (one of them safe for an incumbent Democrat as long as he chooses to run). Believe it or not, this is probably the closest thing to a Dem-friendly map one could get from today's Missouri legislature.

Finally, Oregon

While Democrats must defend the governor's mansion and both chambers of the state legislature in 2010, observers tend to agree that they have the upper hand to retain the monopoly heading into redistricting, giving them the opportunity to decide how to configure the state's likely new seat. The only problem is that Dem strength is already more or less maximized, with a lopsided 4-1 delegation in a 57-40 Obama state.

Is it realistic to try for 5-1, or should Democrats aim to protect what they have and concede a likely 4-2 split? I initially thought that the latter solution was inescapable, but upon crunching the numbers myself, concluded that it was possible (if risky) to carve five Dem-leaning seats and one ultra-Republican district.

Under my plan, one of the five seats could, however, easily switch to the GOP in an unfriendly election cycle. In a downright terrible year like 1994, two easily would. But in a generic stalemate election year, a 1998 or 2000 sort of situation, and certainly in a Democratic wave year like 2006 or 2008, 5-1 would be the expected outcome.

I weakened both Portland incumbents, David Wu and Earl Blumenauer, to help Kurt Schrader and allow for the creation of a new Dem (or swing, at worst) seat based in Washington County. As notanothersonofabush pointed out, diluting Blumenauer's district may not have been the greatest idea considering his staunchly liberal voting record, but with a strong Portland base mostly intact, he should be okay under my map.

While Greg Walden would probably choose to run in the über-Republican 2nd I drew, I did choose to mess with him a bit too by putting his home, in heavily Democratic Hood River County, in Blumenauer's 3rd. All in a day's work...

Oregon (D)

District 1 - David Wu (D-Portland) -- The 37% of Multnomah County included dominates, with 50% of Marion County serving as a secondary population anchor. I wanted to give Wu as diluted a Dem-leaning district as possible given the need to milk every last precinct in Oregon redistricting.

District 2 - Greg Walden (R-Hood River) -- Move, Congressman, and get yourself life tenure in Congress under my plan. Medford/Ashland is the only obvious source of Democratic strength anywhere in this vast rural seat.

District 3 - Earl Blumenauer (D-Portland) -- I'm actually a little worried about Blumenauer, one of my personal favorites in Congress, in this map. With 31% of Multnomah along with Hood River and Wasco Counties, he should have enough of a Dem base to win, but might he be too progressive for this district? Splitting Portland three ways was meant to "spread the love" and help Schrader, while splitting the more conservative areas around Salem was meant to do the opposite ("share the pain" to lessen its influence), but have I diluted Democratic numbers out of Multnomah too much to give them power in all three districts?

District 4 - Pete DeFazio (D-Springfield) -- Lane County is intact and the conservative reaches of southern Oregon are gone; even the solid liberal that seeks to succeed DeFazio some years down the road will be safe here.

District 5 - Kurt Schrader (D-Canby) -- oddly, I probably made it safer than Blumenauer's district by drawing a district for Schrader that stretches from Lincoln County/Corvallis to Portland. Knowing what I know now, I might not have gone so out of my way to shore up the 5th and instead work to prevent extreme dilution of the 3rd and its Portland base.

And the new District 6 - Washington County and 27% of Clackamas -- this is designed to elect a moderate Washington County Democrat; it should be the swingiest of the five Dem seats, but with a narrow yet distinct lean akin to the 3rd's. Oregonians will be more familiar with the local bench than I.

At the very least, this admittedly flawed map creates five districts that voted for Obama and one that packs McCain votes. But Obama performance does not necessarily equate to Democratic performance at the congressional level. The 3rd, and especially the 6th, could be disposed to a charismatic, moderate Republican in certain cases. The good news is that the entire West Coast from Puget Sound to San Diego has been trending liberal for the past 20 or so years and is getting less and less tolerant of even the most likable Republican candidates. Thus time is working against the viability of GOP candidates in traditional "swing districts" in a state like Oregon, and assuming Democrats retain control of the redistricting process, they will have an unprecedented chance to get aggressive in the Beaver State (even if the legislature deadlocks with the governor on forming a plan, the Secretary of State, Democrat Kate Brown, is authorized to draw her own map). So before too long, even my arguably marginal 3rd and 6th Districts should be out of reach for GOP contenders.

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a better bar would have
been the 2008 Smith and Merkely senate race.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

ah, good point!
I'd love to have estimates on that (though it is fair, I think, to say that Merkley underperformed "Generic Dem" in Oregon because of Smith's incumbency and all that comes with it...your average statewide race in Oregon goes to the Democrat by a bit more than 3 points, if by less than Obama's 16-point spread).

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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plus Smith was the moderate
and popular republican you were worried about. He won Clackamas county, and Marion.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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you're a late bird though, lol
your missouri map is brilliant i would never have thought Skelton could be made safe. you kept Jef City in right? Cause that's where our strongest candidate is.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Oh yeah, 3:25 AM ain't nothing
Actually, I had Jeff City in Graves' district, not by design but due to geography: I gave Boone County to Skelton to shore up the 4th, but Luetkemeyer inconveniently lives in Miller County. Jeff City's county, Cole, is right between Boone and Miller, and contiguity laws require the southern portion of the 6th (needed for population equality) to touch the northern portion, so my hands were tied.

Which Jeff City Dem did you have in mind? I was thinking anyone from the Kansas City exurbs, possibly even someone from Columbia if they were moderate enough.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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actually I was think of Wes Shoemyer
who represents a very Republican Senate District in Cole County, or State Sen. Frank Barnitz.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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I'm pretty sure
Wes represents the 18th district in Northeast MO and lives in Hannibal - that would put him in Blaine's district, so he's out as a potential successor.

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IIRC
Oregon redistricts with an independent commission, I doubt the commission will come up with these strange lines...

33, living in Germany  

nope
It's the old fashioned way (legislature + governor) but with a twist: the Secretary of State can draw the map if the legislature deadlocks.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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I love the creativity, but...
I think that the prudent move is to resist the temptation of trying for 5-1 in oregon. While I would love to add another dem seat out of the reapportionment (Oregon might be my favorite congressional delegation), this looks to me like a map that would go 3-3 in even a slightly GOP year (say 2004). I look at a place like PA, where the GOP got too cute by half in 2001, and wouldn't want to chance losing a Blumenauer.

Aesthetic objection
Currently Dems control the Pacific coast from Oxnard North to the Canadian boarder.  Losing Curry County would put an obnoxious red smudge in the middle of it.

In all seriousness, good work.  I'm enjoying this series immensely.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


I'd be weary of basing the Indiana map on 2008
Obama was a regional Senator (I believe that a third of the state is in Chicago's media market) that had to add a few points to Obama's margin. My suspicion is that Indiana, providing it is still competed over, will settle somewhere at being 5-6 more Republican than the rest of the country (even where it is right now, Indiana is still about 3 points more Republican than the country at large).

I personally think that the Republicans won't let the Democrats keep two safe districts if they get the opportunity (I can see the Republicans attempt to turn Indianapolis-based IN-07 a swing district at the expense of Andre Carson).

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They can't possibly squeeze out 8-1
Indianapolis has become too Democratic. IN-07 was 70% for Obama. Even Kerry got 58% there. They've given up on it, particularly since André Carson is showing an electoral resilience his grandmother lacked. If they tried to make it a swing district, the Democrats would have to go somewhere, so Burton would be jeopardized too. No way would they risk that.

7-2 would be the absolute best case scenario for the Republicans, and considering Ellsworth's popularity that seems far-fetched even in the most favorable (to the GOP) of election cycles. I mean, Ellsworth was elected with 61% in 2006 and 65% in 2008, the first time against a 12-year incumbent and the second while McCain was winning IN-08 51-47. With Ellsworth running at least 15 points ahead of expected Democratic performance in the district, it's in the Republicans' interest to protect him and weaken Hill instead.

Honestly, I just can't see a way to flip both IN-08 and IN-09 without making Buyer, Pence, or Burton vulnerable. Between counties like Vigo, Vanderburgh, Monroe, and Clark, there are plenty of Democratic votes (Obama or no Obama) to sustain one decidedly Dem-leaning Southern Indiana seat, and with Ellsworth showing such crossover appeal and living in Evansville, he's the obvious winner.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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Andre Carson still underperformed Obama
In fact, Andre underperformed Obama by slightly more than his grandmother underperformed Kerry (65%-70%, compared to 54%-58%). If Marion County remains as Democratic as it is (64%-35% Democratic) then you might have a point, but remember it was still only one election cylce that Kerry squeaked by with 51-48 against Bush.

I'm personally not saying that the Republicans would try to go for an 8-1 delegation either (that would just be suicide) but I do think that they could at least give Andre Carson a headache without having to endanger any of their incumbents. The 3rd, 4th, and 5th districts are sufficiently Republican that they could lose a few more points and still retain a strong Republican lean for their districts. I don't think the Indianapolis area (and Marion County) are as Democratic as Obama's margin suggests (in fact, I suspect that Marion will ultimately return to a 57%-58% Democratic county, good but not perfect).

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I'm think Gekas.
In PA. Burton and Buyer have never had a serious challenger so that might not want to test them with a new Democratic leaning district. The fact is Indiana is trending our way, the young voters are overwhelmingly liberal and the older voters that prop up Republicnas are dying off.

There is also no way they could argey Pete Viscloksey, not with Lake County in his district. That leaves Democrats three assured seats, just as the diarist said. I don't think Hill has a chance, but hey, you never no. I'd loved to try to see them carve IN-02 between Burton and Souder. Souder would never be able to beat Donnelly in a Allen-St. Joseph county based district. And it might not be the best idea to put Bloomington in Buyer's or Pence's districts.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Ya
Obama won the 18-29 group in Indiana by a 63-35 margin.  It's the only age group he won.  He barely lost the 30-44 group by a 52-47 margin and 45-64 group by a 50-49 margin.  The 65+ group is what almost kept Indiana in the republican column, with McCain winning 61-37.  As more of that older crown dies out the state should become more favorable.

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Good effort re: Oregon.
Of course, having just posted my own map yesterday I might be a little biased, but here are my thoughts:

I don't think the way you've carved up greater Portland works. With the exceptions of the coast and maybe Bend, anywhere farther than about 35 miles away from Portland is going to resent being in the same district as part of Portland, and Bend just isn't feasible in that respect without creating a ridiculous spaghetti district (putting it with Eugene, as we both did, makes a lot more sense).

Your 1st and 3rd districts are a bit weak. Wu is already an undistinguished incumbent to put it mildly, and part of the reason I didn't give him any more Republican territory on my map is that you really don't want to strengthen the Republican base here, which moving the district into Salem would do. I feel like the combination of adding more viable Republicans and swapping out Washington County (his major constituency that knows him and will maintain the status quo for as long as he's the incumbent) is a mistake. You could argue that we could get rid of Wu with this map, then immediately knock off the Republican that replaces him, but I'm not willing to risk that, and there's a good chance the Republican would stay put.

Same with the 3rd, as we've both noted. Also, I'm pretty sure (but not positive) that Blumenauer actually lives in the part of Portland in Schrader's district on this map, though whether or not a Congressman has to live in his district is still in dispute (see some of the more annoying comments on my map.)

Your 3rd and 5th mix Multnomah and Linn counties, which would be political suicide if the Dems actually did it. It's too blatant, and I guarantee that Linn County would be so pissed off that they'd go to the media, which would then take up the drumbeat of "Dem gerrymandering" and give the Oregon GOP a chance to come back. I wouldn't risk that, and neither would the legislature. Mixing Portland and rural Oregon is like mixing meat and dairy - it's just not done. (Of course, the Oregon media also cares more about covering every Portland city councilman's last bowel movement than they do about the rest of the state combined, but there's still word of mouth, and the GOP base in rural Oregon is already pissed off enough without being represented by city folk.)

The 4th is fine except for Douglas County.

The new 6th is an interesting district, and similar to what I originally wanted to do with my 1st (putting in Lake Oswego et. al. in addition to just enough of Portland to account for Wu.), but as I said before, I don't think separating Wu and Washington County is a good idea, and much as I dislike him a Republican would be worse. I think your 6th as drawn still leans Democratic, but you're also giving some losers like Jim Zupancic a new lease on life that they otherwise wouldn't have (Zupancic is a Gordon Smith-style moderate who has even donated to Democrats, and Smith was very popular here; Merkely won just 49-47 on Obama's coattails, while Smith crushed Bradbury 59-37 in 2002) This district won't care that he lost in OR-05 almost a decade ago (at that point) and could very well elect him in lieu of a strong Democrat. Part of the reason I put so much of Multnomah County in with Washington on my map was to account for that.

I'm sorry if my comments are overly critical, but I believe in constructive criticism. I like a lot of your other maps in states that I know something about, but your Oregon just doesn't work. Good effort, though.  


No, I appreciate constructive criticism
I'm really not exceptionally familiar with Oregon (re: my native California, I'm an expert, but Oregon...not so much) and don't even attempt to understand the vagaries of local politics like an Oregonian. I really appreciate the insight, and said (at least I hope I said) yesterday that our maps went about the same objective quite differently and that I only wished to have the background knowledge about Oregon politics that you do.

Splitting Portland three ways, and thus diluting its electoral power by mixing it with rural areas, was the one really dangerous gambit in my map, and it resulted in much weaker districts for Wu and (especially) Blumenauer. I was quite satisfied with what I gave DeFazio and Schrader, but not the two Portlanders, and you may be right that separating Washington County won't work. Of the three maps, I'm definitely least confident about my work in Oregon...and since I've never been there, I guess that makes sense.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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Ah
So maybe, with my being not incredibly familiar with California, I should do that map so you can rip it to shreds? ;)

Also, have you done Georgia yet? I'd think that, smarting under Jack Kingston as you are, that one would be cathartic.
Or disappointing, if you're trying for a realistic map, though I suppose the off chance that the next governor of Georgia will be Not Jim Oxendine gives a bit of hope for a fairer map.

It's really too bad that the other 5 states I've lived in don't yield interesting maps. You've already done Massachusetts, which was realistic (though I'd be sorry to lose John Olver, who remains one of the best Reps. I've had. He answers constituent email personally and promptly, which is really going above and beyond, and seems like a nice guy, too). Vermont and Montana are at-large districts; VT will never have the population for a second district, and if MT ever gets its second district back, it'll probably resemble the one it had before. Washington, meanwhile, is already as close to a perfect map as we'll get. You can't dilute Reichert's district without taking away too much from the rest of metro Seattle, and I'm pretty sure WA is one of those states that uses an independent commission anyway. If I do one more 2012 state it'll probably be New York, which I know just enough about to fudge. I've also just thought about doing as many "what if" splits of at-large districts as possible just for the hell of it. Might be fun, and it gives me an opportunity to make crap up, which (as you can tell) I'm much better at than straight-up analysis.  


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I did do Georgia
and since (for now) odds are on the Republicans to hold the gov's mansion, it wasn't that cathartic. On the contrary, I hurt Marshall a lot (even more in my second version of the map, which split Macon to further weaken Marshall and push Sanford Bishop's 2nd closer to black-majority) and, of course, created a new GOP seat in the suburbs. Because I live in the Republican, whiter part of Savannah, I kept myself in Kingston's district since giving the remainder of Chatham County to Barrow would probably dilute the black percentage in the 12th. Oh well, taking one for the team and all that.

Don't bash your own skills! You sure know Oregon better than I do, and since I've never been to Massachusetts, Washington, Vermont, or Montana, I'm sure you've got me beaten on all those fronts as well. (Wouldn't it be interesting if Montana eventually went back to two districts? I could see a moderate Dem district in the western portion of the state and a hard-right GOP seat to the east.) But California? Yeah, I know California pretty well.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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Ah, yes, of course.
I thought I saw a Georgia map of yours a while ago. I should've just looked at the top of the post, doi, where you list the maps you've done. Sorry I'm lazy. American, you know. (Also, I'm sure your Georgia is better than mine would've been. I've only really been to the area around Augusta.)

As for Marshall, he's in my top five least favorite Democrats in the entire chamber (only Jim Cooper and maybe Dan Boren annoy me more), and I really don't care if he loses. Better to get rid of him and replace him with a safe Northeastern Democrat whose seat we can hold, at least until it gets redistricted away again due to population loss. And as odious as Kingston is, at least you didn't end up with, say, Westmoreland or Gingrey or (shudder) Broun. (Ugh, I shouldn't curse you in case he primaries Isakson.)

I'm not bashing my own skills. I just know myself very well. I think I did a good job with my Oregon map, which considering I spent a week on it and got my girlfriend mad at me for ignoring her, I damn well better have done. I just don't like to invest myself unless I know I'll do a good job, and even then I end up fudging a bit around the edges. Whatever I do next, I'll do something. It won't be as good as my Oregon, but it might still be enjoyable enough to get something out of.  


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Do you think
my original assumption, that Dems should just accept 4-2 and solidify the four seats they have, was correct? I know your map's new district was fairly Republican...is it really too much of a gamble to go for 5-1?

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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New OR-06:
Since Nathaniel's proposed map has the new 6th District of Oregon potentially made up of the entirety of Washington County, I had a suggestion: If they can't find a solid D candidate to try there, why not get Matt Roloff to run?

If anyone here doesn't know who Roloff is, he and his family are the subject of the popular TLC show "Little People, Big World." Since he likely has very high name recognition in Washington County (Roloff Farms is located there), he could be a good one. On another note, if he was indeed our candidate, he would be the first little person to be elected to Congress, which would be an amazing feat.


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I doubt that he is a Democrat
He sends his kids to a VERY conservative Christian school (Faith Bible School), so I doubt he is a Democrat.

[ Parent ]
Matt
1) Says he wants to run for office some day.
2) I always figured Amy was more conservative than Matt.  
3) Oregon gave a nice vote to Steve Novick for the Senate.  He might qualify height wise as a little person.

[ Parent ]
Well
we both had variations of the same assumption. The first priority, obviously, is to shore up the incumbents. After I did that, I packed every bit of Democratic and Dem-trending territory left into the new district to give the Dem a fighting chance. I think, based on my own assessment and what crisitunity says, that while it has a strong GOP bench, my new district could easily elect a Democrat, and is trending the right way regardless - especially in what's sure to be a contentious multi-way GOP free for all primary with or without the added security of Kevin Mannix kneecapping everyone else. So it is possible, but obviously focusing on incumbent protection first should be the realistic goal of any map.  

[ Parent ]
The Indiana map is not terrible
for the Dems as I expected.  I think Donnelly is moderate enough to hold the new 2nd.  Hill would have trouble in IN-9 in a bad year, but would hold it in 2012, or more likely he runs for statewide office.

The biggest problem for the Repubs in IN-5.  That district under this map is trending Democratic, so much so, that a Democrat could win that as an open seat.  Heavily Repub Hamilton is really trending Democratic.


Donnelly might just be able to hack it
but he'd definitely have trouble. Hill, I think, would be in bad shape without Bloomington, but if he were lucky enough to draw second-rate opposition, perhaps he could pull it off. As for Burton, he's entrenched enough to scare away all comers in this hypothetical district, but I agree that the Indy suburbs are gradually trending away from the GOP. Still, even as an open seat, the only Dem counties here are Madison (which is pretty swingy) and a portion of Marion. Hamilton was 61% McCain and Hancock 64% McCain. For the foreseeable future, a conservative Republican could win IN-05, but maybe by the end of the 2010s that wouldn't be the case.

I really tried to draw the most favorable possible map for the GOP without spreading GOP votes too thin. As you can see, there has been enough real movement in Indiana that their gerrymandering choices are limited.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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Burton?
he's been underperfomring ofr years now, barely beats his Republican primary challengers and is a horrible campaigner.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Donnelly
The Indiana map is actually about what I expect to get.  Souder can't be drawn too far west or his underperforming, lackadisical ass will lose and, as long as the 2nd is a South Bend based district, Donnelly should be okay.  Hill, like everyone predicts, is toast.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

[ Parent ]
Why not remove Medford from OR-2
and put it in OR-4?

Didn't want to split Jackson County n/t


20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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A really mischievous map
would put the most Democratic precincts of Indianapolis in the 8th district, and split the rest 3-4 ways, creating a new R-leaning seat that Carson couldn't possibly win.

That would be a cocky/risky map
Split Indianapolis too many ways and a Republican like Burton or Buyer suddenly becomes beatable. I really don't see why they'd mess with Carson at this point, considering the 7th is now the most heavily Dem district in the state.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

[ Parent ]
I think you're probably right
I think overall your map looks very realistic/might be very close to what we're going to get.  Southern Indiana is probably going to look almost exactly like this, creating a Evansville/Bloomington/Terre Haute Democratic district for Ellsworth, and putting Baron Hill in a really tough place.  I wouldn't be suprised if he runs for Governor in what's going to be an open seat in 2012.  He's a good guy and a pretty good campaigner.

If the GOP doesn't try to carve up Indianapolis, you spell out one option for the 4th, 5th, and 6th districts.  Each would be anchored in a different part of the growing Indy suburbs and then stretch out to small-town and rural areas -- and each would protect the current Congressman.  Of course, the Republicans have lots of different options here, but any way they slice it these are going to be Republican districts.


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I would think if MO loses a seat...
Skelton would retire and the 4th gets eliminated.

That's the other possibility
and I was considering drawing an alternative map that does that. I just didn't want to make assumptions about Skelton retiring. He is such a giant in Congress that they wouldn't eliminate the 4th (and lose all that seniority) unless he announced his eventual retirement before the maps are drawn. So I wanted to avoid making that assumption. But yeah, that's very possible, and I might draw that scenario up soon.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

[ Parent ]
oh, and your new IN-02
really doesn't look that bad. Donnelly wouldn't have too much trouble winning a district like that.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

I'm not so sure
The way this version is drawn, it has Donnelly losing Michigan City (solid Dem), and picking up all of Elkart and all of Kosciusko Counties (the latter might be the most overall Republican county in the state).  It wouldn't be easy for a Democrat to win this.

[ Parent ]
Eh
Really, all things considered, Donnelly is one of the more out-of-wack Representatives in Congress. He's a little to the right of both Ellsworth and Hill in a district where, as things stand at the moment, we might be able to get a mild progressive. If it wasn't abundantly obvious that he's going to get drawn into a much worse district, Donnelly would be one of the best candidates for a primary.
He'd struggle during the first election or two and may well get knocked off there. But if he can hold on, once people see that he's as conservative as they are, he may be ok.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
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Is the Obama vote...
...the best gauge for Indiana Dem performance?  (Caveat: I know next to nothing about Indiana, except that I found it appropriate that Obama won the state in which Robert Kennedy helped make Indianapolis a relative oasis in the sea of urban riots, post-MLK assassination.)  I mean, I'd hate to think Bayh is punking out and becoming the most conservative Democrat in the Senate just for fun, so I suppose my real question for you is, how would Indiana Dems do on this map if Indiana (significantly, if not entirely) reverted back to its pre-2008 partisan vote?

As always, reading your posts is a learning experience, keep up the great work!


Obama got 48.7%
of the two=party vote in your Indiana-2 not counting LaPorte County, which would further increase Obama's total.

I don't think Donnelly will lose in IN-2 in 2012 at least.  

Obama got 42% in the four full counties in IN-5, Marion Co should increase his totals a bit more.  But Hamilton County is moving to the Dems, and I think Obama will break 40% easily in Hamilton in 2012, and may be around 45% there.


48.7%? Not what I had in mind...
How sure are you about those numbers? I was aiming for more of a reversal of current numbers, like 54-45 McCain or something, in IN-02. Maybe I should consider splitting St. Joseph County between Donnelly and Souder and add some rural turf for Donnelly, but no GOP gerrymander would endanger Souder too much, so...I don't know.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

[ Parent ]
I added them up last night
And that 48.7% was only for the counties in full, not including LaPorte.  If Laporte is split in half, it is going to be even closer than that, probably about 49.5-50% for Obama.

In other words, I'm not sure they can draw Donnelly out of a district without endangering their own incumbents.  

And given the advantage of incumbency, and that I think 2012 will be a massive Obama landslide, I think Hill would hold on to your IN-9 as well.  (I'm pretty sure that Hill would have won the IN-9 you drew up in 2008).


[ Parent ]
absolutely enjoying your series
Wondering when you'll take a crack at Washington (split Reichert's district) and California.

The goal for California should be
to eliminate as many Repubs as possible.  I think six can be removed fairly easily.

[ Parent ]
Not sure about six
but I don't know since I haven't gotten to CA yet. I've been putting it off since we don't know whether it will hold steady at 53 or fall to 52. Same reason I'm delaying Washington and North Carolina (both on the fringe of either holding steady or gaining). I might come up with two maps for each of those states, based on possible scenarios (e.g. one California map with 53 districts, one with 52).

Off the top of my head, any California map would protect the 11th and 18th from potential future GOP surges, cement all the VRA seats as majority-minority (there may be some controversy about how to treat the black opportunity districts like Maxine Waters' 35th that are now more Hispanic than anything), and dislodge Brian Bilbray, one Inland Empire incumbent (either Mary Bono Mack or Ken Calvert), possibly someone in Orange County (but without diluting the Hispanic-majority 47th much), etc. So that's at least three GOP seats that can probably be wrecked with minimal effort. Of course, all that assumes a Democrat wins the governor's mansion which, while likely at this early date, is far from official.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


[ Parent ]
Here's what I came up with months ago
1. CA-3 and 4, combine the most Democratic areas of these districts to make a seat.  Toss in hard core minority precincts from CA-5 in as well.

2. CA-24 and 25.  Make a Ventura County seat with some heavy Dem areas from CA-25 and from Santa Barbara.

3. CA-26, this can easily be made Democratic by attaching Hispanic areas to its west.

4. CA-44, 45: Combine the most heavily Democratic areas of Riverside in this district resulting in a decently Dem district, and maybe tossing in areas from CA-43.

5. CA-46, 48.  It seems to me the best strategy would be to run a district right down the coast of Orange County, possibly adding areas of LA County and parts of Hispanic areas of CA-47.

6. CA-50: This should be easy, just run a district to the border.


[ Parent ]
Well maybe not easily
Though six is certainly possible.  Though the number will be lower if we can knock out a few of them in 2010.  

At the very least we should target 6 or 7 republicans in 2012 in addition to shoring up McNerney's district, which can be done easily given the surrounding area is very liberal.  Aim for 6 or 7 and if we can known out 4 or 5 I'd be happy.  That would offset losses in northeast seats such as a Massachusetts district to be eliminated and possible republican gains in places like Texas and Georgia.


[ Parent ]
Leave California to me.


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[ Parent ]
I'm a displaced California boy, too, so to speak
Born and mostly raised in L.A. Since lived in the Chicago area and now in Savannah, Georgia. We can both map California with clear consciences!

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

[ Parent ]
Yeah, no need to get territorial
Having multiple plans is more fun than just one anyway.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

[ Parent ]
I can try other states also
though my knowledge of the districts outside the single-district states and California is limited.

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[ Parent ]
What I meant is multiple plans for a single state
Like how we had two Oregon plans this weekend.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

[ Parent ]
Oh okay


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[ Parent ]
Let's play a little game
Anybody think of a way to make everything west of the Sierras blue, with the exception of one or two Central Valley GOP vote sinks (McCarthy and Nunes) and Herger, with every other GOPer west of the mountains sent packing.  

30, male, Democratic, CO-01

[ Parent ]
There's not much California east of the Sierras
And two of those counties went for Obama...

Also the VRA complicates plans to wipe the GOP out completely. It would be difficult, for example to get rid of the LA/OC GOP and still keep the requisite number of Black and Latino majority districts.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


[ Parent ]
So overpacked
Many are so overpacked, especially as coalition districts (which are still preserved) that it wouldn't be that hard to whiten them a little.

Michael

30, male, Democratic, CO-01


[ Parent ]
I'm not doing California.
I figured you'd do a map, and so would everyone else, plus every time I do anything involving congressional districts, California gives me the most headaches. I'd just as soon leave it to the people who know what they're doing and actually want to see it through. I think I'll make it a rule to only do states I know or, at worst, can reasonably fudge. No worries. I'm sure your map will be great.  

[ Parent ]
Missouri comments
#1 - Clay's district isn't majority African-American now. I don't think it's possible to draw a map like that without ending Russ Carnahan's Congressional career. Basically your map would give Clay an absurdly blue district, and doom Carnahan.

#2 - You could have also kept the southern parts of Clay and Platte in the 4th, and had the 5th absorb some more of Cass County. Making the 5th reliably blue, and the 4th bluer. Southern Clay and Platte are reliable Dem areas.

#3 - Flipping Buchanan into the 6th and swapping a few counties into the 4th seems workable. Counties like Henry and Charition which vote for Dems on local levels.

What is probably going to happen in 2011 if Republicans draw districts.

#1 - Clay gets a 75/25 district, at worst.
#2 - Carnahan gets put into a 55/45 McCain district with Akin for the hell of it.
#3 - The current 4th is shredded and a lot of it is given to Luetkemeyer.
#4 - The 5th absorbs Democratic parts of Clay and Platte.

Can't we just add 20 seats to the US House to avoid this mess?


short term vs. long term
I am an Oregon union papermill worker who has always been a registered democrat.  I think that the current toxic level of polarization in American politics is in large part due to partisan gerrymandering.  The primary elections in politically skewed districts select more extreme, less moderate candidates.  The effect on state and national government is increasing discord and gridlock. Just look at the Texas redistricting mess.

In the long run I think our government institutions and our country would be better served by every state instituting nonpartisan (not bipartisan) redistricting comissions. The return to compact, contiguous districts conforming to county boundaries (except in the case of populous couties split into multiple districts) would improve competition and electoral representation and select for more moderate candidates, so everbody wins not all, but some.



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