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Redistricting 2011: Illinois & South Carolina

by: Nathaniel90

Wed Apr 01, 2009 at 11:53 AM EDT


Here is Episode 7 in my redistricting series. Episode 7 was meant to be Arizona & New York, but with NY-20 undecided and likely to be for a time, I thought it was time to press ahead with other states I've drawn. So here we have it: the Land of Lincoln and the founding state of the Confederacy, wrapped together at last in one diary!

Previously covered:
Diary 1: Massachusetts and Texas
Diary 2: Michigan and Nevada
Diary 3: Iowa and Ohio
Diary 4: Georgia and New Jersey
Diary 5: Florida and Louisiana
Diary 6: Pennsylvania and Utah

Jump below to read what I was doing at 3:00 AM last night!

Nathaniel90 :: Redistricting 2011: Illinois & South Carolina
Illinois

First, the basics about Illinois: the Democrats control the redistricting trifecta and, I believe, still will after 2010. The state should lose a seat for a total House delegation of 18; though the current slowdown in migration may just save the state its 19th spot, most number-crunchers believe Illinois will just miss out on holding steady.

With Democrats in control of the process, I got to draw my first bona fide hypothetical Democratic gerrymander for 2011. The first key was to ensure that the lost seat was a Republican one, and since this decade, it looks like Chicago will suffer the loss rather than downstate, I chose the ever-frustrating Mark Kirk of Highland Park. His district is cracked in this map between the new seats of Melissa Bean (D-Barrington) and Jan Schakowsky (D-Evanston), both of which would decidedly favor Democratic incumbents. Kirk's home would be in Schakowsky's district, FWIW.

Knowing the dangers of overreaching or "getting too greedy" in gerrymandering, I don't believe Democrats will or should go after every last GOP seat in metro Chicago, particularly with the need to protect Bean, Bill Foster (D-Geneva), and Debbie Halvorson (D-Crete). So I pushed Foster and Halvorson into Cook County and made their districts more compact/urban/suburban and less sprawling. While Obama's popularity in his home state makes it very easy to put GOP incumbents in "Obama districts", that kind of thinking all too easily leads to spreading Dem votes thinly and often backfires.

From this map, Democrats can expect a 12-6 majority, with an outside shot at 13-5. Which district did I soften up? Actually, Aaron Schock's downstate...making his district more competitive was fairly easy compared to the tortuous work that would be required to dislodge Peter Roskam while protecting Foster, Halvorson, and Bean.

Voilà:

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By the way, don't pay too much attention to my boundaries in the urban Chicago districts; the granularity at this level is absurd, and I drew these boundaries crudely, since I'm using Paint and a calculator rather than any real redistricting technology.

District 1 - Bobby Rush (D-Chicago) -- VRA black-majority, South Side.

District 2 - Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D-Chicago) -- VRA black-majority, South Side.

District 3 - Dan Lipinski (D-Western Springs) -- entirely within Cook County, working- and middle-class close-in Chicago suburbs.

District 4 - Luis Gutierrez (D-Chicago) -- VRA Hispanic-majority, takes in the heavily Latino areas of Chicago, Cicero, etc.

District 5 - Vacant -- the North Side seat should be rock-solid for Quigley or any other Democrat.

District 6 - Peter Roskam (R-Wheaton) -- entirely within DuPage County, Obama-supporting but traditionally Republican. Believe me, as one of Tammy Duckworth's most active volunteers in 2006, I would have loved to draw Roskam a district he can't win, but couldn't find a way to do so without endangering Foster and Halvorson, and in partisan gerrymanders, safety comes first.

District 7 - Danny Davis (D-Chicago) -- VRA black-majority seat: downtown Chicago, Oak Park, Maywood, etc.

District 8 - Melissa Bean (D-Barrington) -- dominated by its 64% portion of Lake County, but takes in 5% of Cook to help Bean a bit.

District 9 - Jan Schakowsky (D-Evanston) vs. Mark Kirk (R-Highland Park) -- the remaining 36% of Lake (including Kirk's home base) and 9% of Cook (which dominates population-wise). With Schakowsky's North Shore base intact and stronger numerically than Kirk's turf in southern Lake County, I'd feel good about our chances in a match-up.

District 10 - Debbie Halvorson (D-Crete) -- all of Will and a tiny, heavily black South Side portion of Cook is meant to protect Halvorson by allowing her to shed all that GOP-leaning exurban country to the west.

District 11 - Jerry Costello (D-Belleville) -- the most Democratic downstate district, centered on metropolitan St. Louis and other traditionally Democratic areas like Carbondale. I caused a little mischief by putting John Shimkus' home in this district, though I think he'd do well to move to the 18th since Costello would be a solid fit here.

District 12 - Judy Biggert (R-Hinsdale) -- this monster reminds me of Lamar Smith's 1990s district in Texas, designed to grab every possible Republican voter for the sake of Democratic incumbents in the area. This comprises the southern 23% of DuPage, 6% of Kane, 62% of Kankakee, and exurban counties DeKalb, Grundy, Kendall, LaSalle, and Lee, dramatically reshaping the district to remove GOP areas that would otherwise be represented by Foster and Halvorson. In a way, having one sprawling seat like this makes more sense than the previous incarnation that had Foster and Halvorson writhing all over the place in positively serpentine fashion.

District 13 - Bill Foster (D-Geneva) -- 94% of Kane (Foster's base) and 5% of Cook (to push his district bluer) = the likelihood of holding this seat when Foster retires.

District 14 - Timothy Johnson (R-Urbana) -- other than Johnson's native Champaign County, this could be the state's most Republican district; if not, it's nearly as much so as Shimkus'. Why make Johnson so overwhelmingly safe? Well, I was interested in weakening Schock a bit (or a lot), and it seemed logical to pack Republicans into Johnson's district due to pure geography. Also, if I was going to help solidify a GOP seat, why not reward Johnson's relative sanity compared to people like Schock?

District 15 - Donald Manzullo (R-Egan) -- due to growth up there, Manzullo's district becomes more compact and probably remains Obama-supporting, though I suspect it tilts quite Republican in most years.

District 16 - Phil Hare (D-Rock Island) -- I've always disliked the current 17th and its embarrassingly gerrymandered lines, so sought to clean it up without hurting Hare. By losing its southern "Springfield leg", it took in some normally GOP-leaning counties in the northwest, though the Obama numbers are probably better than before due to Obama's superb performance in even exurban and rural northern Illinois. This is now something of a north-south Mississippi River seat, but should still favor a Moline-area Democrat.

District 17 - Aaron Schock (R-Peoria) -- To hurt one GOP incumbent without rendering the must-protect Chicago-area Democrats, Schock was an obvious choice: he's young, new, and rather obnoxious. This district still leans Republican, but is a heck of a lot more moderate, anchored by the Peoria area, Springfield, and Bloomington-Normal, with a small sliver of Champaign County. This district would have voted for Obama, and Schock would be vulnerable to a strong challenge from a conservative Democrat. Without hurting Hare and Costello, that's the best I could do.

District 18 - John Shimkus (R-Collinsville) would run here -- As I said, his home would be represented by Costello, but he'd choose to run here, a very strong GOP seat with only traces of moderation (Springfield and Decatur, mostly).

Overall, I have mixed feelings about this map. I think I handled the Chicago area fairly well (and after all, I did live there for four years), not overextending Democratic strength by getting greedy about Roskam or Biggert. I'm decently happy with my downstate reconfiguration, but am curious if Hare would still be safe enough. Obviously no Democratic gerrymander would result in a much-weakened seat for Hare, so perhaps I should have preserved Springfield and Decatur for him (then again, northwest Illinois needs to go somewhere!).

Anyway, an average year would result in a 12-6 split under this map, and a good year could see 13-5 should Schock fall. What about a bad year? Do you think Hare, Foster, Bean, and Halvorson would all be fine in a difficult year? Input needed!

South Carolina

And now for something completely different: this Deep Southern state experienced the highest domestic migration rate in the nation between 2007 and 2008. Monopolized by Republicans, I sought to draw a GOP gerrymander here that would protect the four current Republican seats and add a new one, while weakening John Spratt (D-York) if at all possible.

Knowing how Republicans love to pack minority votes, I drew Majority Whip Jim Clyburn the most heavily African-American district imaginable. It looks like a crab, actually, and yes, it's exactly the kind of racial gerrymander Republicans would draw (interesting that we saw so many Democratic maps in the South that aimed for maximizing black representation thrown out by the courts as "racial gerrymanders" in the 1990s, but recent Republican racial packing in states like Florida and Texas has gone unnoticed).

One nit: with the state's black population around 30%, the Justice Department might want a map that creates two VRA black-majority seats (two seats out of seven = 29%). That would involve diluting Clyburn's seat a little and trading some turf with Spratt, rendering Spratt's district a lot safer.

But I presumed only one VRA seat, so with that in mind:

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District 1 - Henry Brown (R-Hanahan) -- More compact and less coastal than Brown's current district, it loses Charleston to aid him and prevent a future close call like he faced in 2008 from Linda Ketner.

District 2 - Joe Wilson (R-Springdale) -- Heavily Republican, takes the white areas around Columbia from Clyburn, acting as a sort of Alabama 4th to Clyburn's Alabama 7th.

District 3 - Gresham Barrett (R-Westminster) -- also heavily Republican, with the cleanest lines I could possibly draw.

District 4 - Bob Inglis (R-Travelers Rest) -- due to growth in the Greenville/Spartanburg area, this district is getting positively small!

District 5 - John Spratt (D-York) -- while carving out GOP turf for Brown, Inglis, and Barrett, I tried my best to keep Spratt's seat potentially GOP-friendly should he retire. But if the Justice Department demands two VRA seats, this could turn out very differently, with Spratt getting a solid Dem district for the first time in recent memory.

District 6 - Jim Clyburn (D-Columbia) -- dominated by Columbia, taking every possible black-majority county. Truly a lawsuit-worthy gerrymander, but Republicans seem to get away with those (look at how the courts have reacted to Corrine Brown's FL-03 versus their decisions in the 1990s about Cynthia McKinney's GA-11, Cleo Fields' LA-04, and Mel Watt's NC-12).

The new District 7 - Designed for a Charleston/Beaufort County Republican due to growth along the coast. This seat would be GOP-friendly but trending Dem long-term and might need to be reconfigured in 2021 to stave off Democratic gains.

Overall, Republicans could hope for a 6-1 majority when Spratt retires, but in the mean time would have to settle for 5-2. When Spratt does go, the coast may be blue enough for a Democrat to win either District 1 or District 7. And if the state creates a new VRA seat, Republicans will make it Spratt's to avoid ceding more territory. I do wonder how that map would look...

EDIT: It was brought to my attention that the current 5th is as heavily Democratic as any VRA district, and is essentially wasting votes. So I adjusted the lines a bit based on someone's suggestion to create two skinny DuPage-Cook mix districts; the 5th would be Quigley land, and the 6th would be a more Democratic seat for Roskam. Thus this map could easily produce 13-5, not counting Schock.

Someone else suggested softening up Lipinski, but since that district is already somewhat socially conservative, and doesn't link easily with Roskam's, I chose to leave it alone. The 5th is needlessly packed in the current map, while the 3rd is significantly less solid. Here's the adjusted map:

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Which one do you folks like better? In this version, Roskam's district has about 415K from DuPage and 301K from Cook, while Quigley's district has precisely reversed numbers.

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Please don't eliminate Schock!!!!
He may be an extreme right-winger and batsh*t insane, but he is also BY FAR the hottest guy in Congress. Sigh:

http://www.tmz.com/tag/Aaron+S...


Deal with it!
Don't the ladies love Martin Heinrich?

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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And
Brad Ellsworth

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Anyway
Has anyone something to say about the maps?

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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Where are we right now?
11-8 map, right?  So +1D -2R sounds reasonable to me.  Would be onw of our better gerrymanders of 2012.

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12-7
we were 11-8 after Foster won and 12-7 with Halvorson. What I drew would be 12-6 in a normal cycle, 13-5 in a really good year. One Republican seat eliminated, another rendered winnable

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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Judy Biggert
Judy Biggert in IL-13 is very vulnerable and in to her 70s. Our best pickup opportunities as things stand now are Kirk, Biggert, and Roskam.  If anybody but Kirk runs for the Republicans they lose that district.  Maybe somebody other than Seals takes it for our side.  

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Not a bad gerrmander, but the west river territory could be divided better
Ideally, we want three seats from the cities and towns along the Mississippi, not two with one (Manzullo) being extended really far east.  

So, with that in mind, reconfigure Hare's district this way:  Remove everything South of Hancock County on the IA/MO border. Instead, add the west half of the 16th District, along the Mississippi river north to Jo Daviess County, and extending east through only the parts of Stephenson and Winnebago Counties south of Highway 20, including all of Rockford and the blue parts of Freeport. Possibly also include the westernmost part of the 14th (Foster, which, though not entirely the point, would make him safer).  

We need to do some work to Costello's district too:  Drop everything South of East St. Louis, and instead add the river towns to the north that were dropped from the 17th (Hare). Extend inland as necessary to fill out the district. East St. Louis will remain the overwhelming political force in the district.

Now, this is audacious, as I'm targeting Shimkus not Schock, but we can make his life very difficult: Add everything that was dropped from the Costello district to Shimkus's current territory, and extend a finger north into the blue neighborhoods of Springfield. In exchange, lose Republican farmland to the east. This district now contains Cairo, Carbondale, Centralia and the best of Springfield, and leans blue. Note also that we have divided the blue leaning Mississippi shore evenly among three districts instead of concentrating it in two.  

Now, we need to remedy the fact that the Illinois mapmakers have stuck Champaign-Urbana in with some of the most conservative territory possible, making the town invisible.  Add Bloomington and the blue parts of Decatur to this district and lose the Republican farmland to the South, and you have a place where Democrats ought to win . This district will also be more compact than in its current form.  It must not touch the adjusted Shimkus district to the Southwest.

The remaining two districts (roughly the Manzullo district shifted east and south to include the worst of the 8th and 14th, making Bean and Foster potentially safer, and one to the south combining the worst of the 18th, 15th and 19th) will look like squashed blintzes and be untouchably Republican. I'm not sure where Schock's house would be in this.  It may very well be merged with the worst of the 15th CD in one of the "blintzes" or it might be in the eastern edge of Hare's new territory.

Though an annoying twit, we may have to live with Kirk until we can dislodge him.  It is also conceivable that, since I've targeted the rural districts, we can do just as your map does.

30, male, Democratic, CO-01


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Gene Taylor
Also scores high in Congressional Hotness rankings.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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What about the ladies?
:P

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Stephanie Herseth Sandlin?
Gillibrand's also pretty hot.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent

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I still think Giffords's the best-looking.
And to her credit, she's married to astronaut Mark Kelly.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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If Giffords runs for Senate one day
Can her husband run for her vacated house seat?  Please?

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Let me lay down all the problems with that
A. He has zero ties to the district or Arizona
B. He still doesn't even live in the district. I think he lives in Texas?
C. He's a registered Independent, and I think I read once that he's more conservative than her (and no one's ever accused Giffords of being a raging liberal)
D. Our bench here isn't actually that bad here anyway. If Gabby runs in, say, 2012, there are several up-and-coming state Reps here who are more deserving of the seat anyway. State Reps Steve Farley, Nancy Young Wright, and (I'm not sure if they live in the district or in the 7th but) Matt Heinz and Daniel Patterson would all be great in Washington.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


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Definitely not bad to look at either.


26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent

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Dare I say
Michele Bachmann  

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Accordding to the staffer's poll:
1. Mary Bono Mack (R-Calif.)

2. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin (D-S.D.)

3. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.)

http://www.washingtonian.com/b...

Not necessarily what I would have picked, but I think I'm biased to the Dems...

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


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Blackburn definitely
I saw a picture of her in the newspaper once and until I read the article, thought it was Heather Locklear.  

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Particularly for being in her 50s
When she's actually your representative (which she was for me for four years), though, you tend to focus less on things like that.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent

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I think I agree with those 3 but by party
Dem: 1. Herseth-Sandlin (she is just beautiful), 2. Giffords, and someone who hasnt been mentioned but that I find attractive 3. Loretta Sanchez

GOP: 3-way tie between Bono-Mack, Blackburn and Bachmann (Yes, Bachmann.  Despite her insanity she is a good-looking woman).

On the mens side, everyone that has been mentioned is good-looking, but I would add Jim Himes to the list, although like some other posters I think I am a better gauge of female attractiveness since I am a straight man.

 


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My ex-girlfriend thought Ron Kind was hot
one of my gay friends is in love with Jared Polis.

and my mother thinks Scott Murphy is cute...hopefully he'll be on the list soon.  

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oh and Patrick Murphy
just cause he was in the military.

I would personally add Kendrick Meek, Ben Lujan, Tom Perellio and Glenn Nye...but I'm not gay, so I'm not a good barometer for these things lol

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I'm betting
that the Dems will be able to remove 2 Chicago Republicans, instead of just one.

Otherwise, I got nothin'.  


I think that would have been true
before Foster and Halvorson won. Now, we need to protect those seats along with Bean's for the future, so the best I could come up with is eliminate Kirk and bide our time on Roskam (DuPage is trending the right way, with or without Obama, so one of these days there will be enough there to make the 6th blue without endangering Foster, Halvorson, or Bean). But I had to go with safety first. Maybe I was too cautious, but I'm really averse to overreaching in light of what happened to Republicans in Pennsylvania this decade (and to the Democrats in Georgia back in 1992-94). The most effective gerrymanders of the 2000s have been in states  where the party in power sought to maximize its advantage without spreading votes too thin.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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Most of the VRA districts
are currently overpacked. They can be somewhat weakened and still be safe.  

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Three cheers for reasonably restrained gerrymandering...
On the subject of Arizona and New York... first, Arizona: did you keep the gerrymander separating the Hopi and Navajo tribes?  I remember how unusual it was to find a good reason for gerrymandering, and of all the Republican-controlled apportionments I can think of, this is the only one whose state party managed to be pretty dang partisan while not being complete d*cks and stretching the VRA to its utter limits.  (Am I correct in believing that Native Americans are not covered by the VRA sections we're used to dealing with?)

For what it's worth, I'd relish Louise Slaughter taking down Christopher Lee, if that could somehow be down while protecting Eric Massa and Michael Arcuri.  And in Arizona, as much as Jeff Flake seems to be the world's emptiest suit, I hope you'll weaken John Shadegg if you can.  Right-libertarians make my teeth hurt, especially if they vote for border fences while managing to be ideologically inconsistent enough to ban online gambling.


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Arizona is drawn by an independent
redistricting commission, so my map there did nothing to specifically hurt or help any incumbent. Once NY-20 is solved, I'll post the two maps together and you'll see. Much as I wanted to help Kilpatrick, Mitchell, and Giffords, that's not how the independent commission thinks. I did indeed preserve the Hopi/Navajo gerrymander, keeping the Navajo reservation with Kilpatrick and the Hopi with Franks. (I understand there are historic tensions between the tribes, but really, wouldn't Native Americans be better off with a maximized tribal vote in one district? Oh well.)

In Arizona, I really kept the lines fairly similar, but with two new districts as expected. One was a GOP seat anchored in the suburbs (Maricopa and Pinal Counties), the other a competitive Phoenix "remainders" seat with a decent Hispanic population. Much like 2001 produced a new Dem seat and a new swing seat, my map would produce a new GOP seat and a new swing seat.

And New York? Well, you'll see. I have a map in place if Tedisco wins, but if Murphy wins, I need to try again. My "Tedisco wins" map eliminates NY-20 by combining it with McHugh's NY-23, and does its darnedest to protect weak seats like the 13th, 24th (Arcuri was reelected 51-49 in 2008!), and 29th.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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I think the 5th is the place to go
It's needlessly safe and not a VRA district.  Create two long skinny urban / suburban districts out of the 5th and 6th.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

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Now *that* I didn't think of
There probably was a way to pull that off. So 13-5 might be attainable without even thinking about Schock.  

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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Although...
...As far as Schock goesi though, it would make sense for the Illinois Republican Party to throw him to the wolves, wouldn't it? - as the member with the least seniority, I mean.  That him and Paul Ryan probably represent the young, fresh face that Republicans are pining for just fits the mold for Republican political short-sightedness, after all.

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I dunno
Isn't Biggert considering retiring anyway?

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Lipinski's seat?
Can his district be drawn to be less Democratic?  It's plainly obvious we can't oust him in a primary, so if he wants to votel ike a Blue Dog I say him him a fitting district if possible.

I'm leaving Lipinski alone
because that district is socially conservative and I have a feeling we don't want to monkey with it too much. The 5th is, of course, hyper-liberal and stuffed with wasted Democratic votes. I adjusted the lines to make two serpentine DuPage-Cook districts and hopefully toss Roskam out. So, 13-5 it is.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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I think he does have a fitting district
which is the problem..a Democratic district, yes, a liberal district? eh.  

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Any map...
...that manages to reward comparatively sane Republicans at the expense of their doctrinaire, self-aggrieved, self-righteous counterparts while protecting Democratic incumbents and getting rid of the biggest thorn in their side is a good map by me.

I've always found Illinois' gerrymander a little skeevy, too - and we've gone from four or five ridiculous snake-shapes to just one or two or so, another definite improvement.

For South Carolina, wasn't Linda Ketner's residence in the Dem-trending Charleston anyway?  I can certainly see a map where neither Joe Wilson nor Henry Brown want to take full responsibility for their surprisingly weak numbers in the 2008 elections.  They're both not that far apart in seniority, according to Wikipedia, and Republicans have never been a party for political meritocracy.

But if Linda Ketner could hold Henry Brown to a single-digit margin based (off a quick google search) mostly on her strength in Charleston, wouldn't the new SC-07 essentially be handing her a ticket to Congress?  She did at least five points better than Obama in the current SC-01, if I recall the SSP Pres-by-CD results correctly.  (Not that I'm complaining!  But still, Republicans shouldn't be counted on to be quite so even-handed in any case)

Overall, though, another pair of good jobs.  Despite my one qualm being about South Carolina, I actually think your South Carolina map is probably the more realistic of the two - but that's more because I trust my intuition on South Carolina politics than on Illinois, what with SC being Republican and Southern conservative, and Illinois being the center of the Democratic-dominated parts of the Midwest.

One last thing: how likely do you think it is that the Illinois Democratic Party will over-reach, and try to translate Obama's top-of-the-ticket surge into a downballot tidal wave?


Re: Ketner winning the 7th
You're probably right; a quick look indicates that Obama would have run pretty well there, outside of Beaufort County (which is the key, since Brown and Ketner aren't known there). But like I said, it's just a matter of time before the South Carolina coast elects a Democrat to Congress; better (from a GOP perspective) to protect Brown and have a weak 7th than possibly open up both to vulnerability.

As for your question about Illinois, no, I think legislators there know that Obama's numbers were inflated and not to rely on them too much. If they try to defeat Roskam, as I did with my just-added alternative map, it will not be at the cost of weakening what they already have.  

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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The problem
It's much easier to draw a sane Republican out of what's probably a relatively moderate seat than it is to draw a nutter out of a safe Republican seat.  Here in Tennessee, I'd prefer that the 7th District not elect someone as batshit as Marsha Blackburn, but the fact of the matter is that her district contains a lot of areas that Democrats in the surrounding districts want no part of (Williamson County, east Shelby County.)  Most sane Republicans come from districts where shifting a few voters here and there can be enough to flip the district.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent

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You can certainly do better
and squeeze out a gerrymandered swing/Democratic seat out of IL-14, IL-17, and IL-18, by combining the most Dem areas of those district.

Here's what I'm thinking for South Carolina
If there's any chance the Justice Dept might be gung-ho about creating a new VRA district in SC (with Obama in there this might be the case), then Republicans may want to preempt any type of racial uproar that might make them look bad by promising to create a new AA-majority district.

If they did this, this might give them an excuse to completely crack Spratt's district (Democrats wouldn't care since they'd be keeping 2 districts and exchanging a conservative for a moderate or possible liberal). Also, I doubt any of the locals would really cry about losing him (while I don't know much about local SC politics, he doesn't look like anything special to me).

Now, if this happened, the most Democratic and/or black parts of Spratt's district could be given to Clyburn, along with maybe some of the black areas in some of the surrounding Republican districts. The new black district could be comprised of southern SC and the parts of the coast that we all seem to think might make your current 7th elect a Democrat. Brown could take most Republican eastern parts of Spratt's district and the most Republican parts of your 7th (to make him safer).

As for Spratt, you could draw his home into SC-04, which is prob too foreign to him and too Republican to elect him, even if the incumbent has only been there since 2005.

Let me know if this is possible to do.

21, Male, Democrat, MD-02 (home/registered), MD-05 (college)


Obama's Justice Dept
is not going to throw white Democrats to the wolves to get another black Democrat.  

More likely is that any map that packs blacks into a district (say making Clyburn's district 60%+ black) will be rejected by the Justice Dept.

I wouldn't be surprised if the Justice Dept rejects any Repub gerrymander in SC and throws it to the 4th Circuit (which with its 5 vacancies will go from being a conservative stronghold to a liberal Democratic stronghold with several blacks by 2012) which will draw a Dem friendly map.


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Well,
if it plays out the way I said I don't think the Obama Justice Dept would have a choice in the matter (I'm saying if the Republicans did this preemptively to prevent a lawsuit over AA representation).

I hope it plays out your way tho. SC-06 might already be over 60% black, since it was already 57% black as of the 2000 census and the black population is growing throughout the Atlantic South. I wonder how much more black it would have to be made to trigger a lawsuit.

21, Male, Democrat, MD-02 (home/registered), MD-05 (college)


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ACS says
The 2005-2007 moving average for SC-06 is 55.5% black, so it's possible the percentage is gradually going down. My map would very likely push it over 60%, which IMHO is a racial gerrymander that "wastes" black votes, and that would be the legal justification for challenging SC-06.

With 7 seats, South Carolina really should have two VRA districts, so the Republicans could well choose to crack Spratt's district and replace it with a new African-American seat for the Democrats. But then what to do with Spratt's turf? Spread it between Barrett, Inglis, Brown, and Clyburn, I guess...

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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Then again
there may be no demand for two VRA districts. Louisiana has 7 seats, a black population over 30%, and just one VRA seat. In fact, when the Democrats tried for a second VRA seat in the 1990s (in portion with the state's black population), the district was thrown out in court. Of course, Cleo Fields' LA-04 was grossly gerrymandered, and perhaps the courts would be more gung-ho about minority representation if given a more logical map.

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.

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I think
it depends on how spread-out the state's black population is. Like, if every precinct in the state outside of Clyburn's current district was 30% black then there'd be no conceivable way to create a new black district to make representation proportional.

It appears most of the black population that isn't in Clyburn's district is in areas of other districts that touch Clyburn's (mostly in Spratt, Brown, and Wilson's districts). Looking at the Obama-McCain map of counties, all the counties that went for Obama appear to be contiguous and stretch from the GA border to the NC border inland through Columbia and Charleston. Since everything appears contiguous and in the same part of the state, I really don't think it would be painstakingly difficult to create a second AA district, unlike in LA where Fields' district had to avoid a lot of white areas.

I just realized that another incentive for Republicans to do this is that incumbent Joe Wilson only got 54% in SC-02 in 2008. If the minority population keeps growing, and Republicans keep drawing less-and-less safe districts to prevent themselves from having to create a second AA district, then they could be setting themselves up to lose a couple of districts long-term.

Btw that's strange that Clyburn's district is getting less AA; I wonder why that is.

21, Male, Democrat, MD-02 (home/registered), MD-05 (college)


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Gentrification?
Whites moving back to the cities because the cities are again cool while poorer blacks can no longer afford to live in the cities and move to the inner ring suburbs.  I remember hearing that John Lewis' district comprised mostly of Atlanta will no longer majority black at some point.  Fortunately, most of the whites moving to the cities are Democrats as well (I think).

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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I think the question is whether you can come to a Majority-Minority district
Without creating something like this. I mean seriously, there has to be a point where regional concerns trump racial concerns (at least with the monstrosity that is IL-04 it is still basically in the same area).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Regional concerns are overrated IMO
ideology and substantive representation matter more, with descriptive representation coming in after that, and geographic representation coming in third--at best.

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There is no lawsuit needed
if the Justice Dept rejects the map, the map is rejected.  Either the state has to provide another map, or the federal courts will draw the map.

Black groups can also sue using the voting rights act, which is what you are talking about, but if the Justice Dept says no, the map is rejected.  It is equivalent to the legislators being unable to agree on a map, and the Courts will have to draw a new one.

If SC tries to pack blacks into SC-6, Obama's DOJ will reject the map.


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I think the Obama Justice Dept
will reject the SC map for packing blacks in the 6th.

Ya
That might be one of the vew good aspects fo the recent SCOTUS ruling.  Now anytime repubs try to pack far more than 50% of AA's in any one district we can challenge it.

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how does Bartlett v. Strickland change that aspect of the law?
There were a series of (mostly successful) challenges to Democratic maps throughout the South in the 1990s that had created heavily black, obviously gerrymandered districts. Among the districts tossed out by courts as over-packed racial gerrymanders were Cleo Fields' LA-04, Cynthia McKinney's GA-11, Mel Watt's NC-12, and Sheila Jackson Lee's TX-18.

Most of these districts (other than Fields' famous "Z seat" in Louisiana) survived in similar, more visually aesthetic form, but the courts were generally very tough on maps that concentrated African-American votes too thickly, in an illogical fashion. Of course, they seem to have been tougher on maps drawn by Democrats, but that's another story...

Anyway, how does Bartlett v. Strickland make it easier to challenge a GOP racial gerrymander like my hypothetical 6th?

20 years old, male, GA-12 (home), GA-10 (school); previously lived in CA-29, CA-28, CA-23, IL-06, IL-14, GA-01.


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Calling the 1992 maps for Louisiana and Georgia
"Democratic" is an incorrect interpretation of the facts. In both cases, the Bush I Justice department rejected other maps, and white Republicans joined with black Democrats to pass "max black" maps.  

[ Parent ]
Whoa - check this out
New SUSA Approval rating for SC Governor Sanford.  Rejecting that stimulus money is killing his poll numbers.

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...

Do you approve or disapprove of the job Mark Sanford is doing as Governor?  
500 Adults
Margin of Sampling Error: ± 4.5%

Approve    41%
Disapprove 55%

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...

Based on what you know, should Governor Sanford accept the $700 million in federal stimulus money?  

Yes 69%
No 28%



Look at the racial and party crosstabs on Q2
Sanford is running for President.

[ Parent ]
Still, to have a 55% disapproval in South Carolina
Methinks if Sanford becomes the nominee, Obama's going to bitch-slap him from here to Charleston ;)

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Maybe, but all these numbers look bad
44% disapproval from white voters, 34% from Republicans, 42% from conservatives.  Yikes!

I heard a story about this on NPR this morning where one of the Republican leaders of the legislature just absolutely blasted him, bluntly saying that if he rejects this money "he doesn't care about the people of this state."


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My strategy
I hope that if the 2012 Republican nominee is Jindal, Perdue, Otter, Palin, Perry, or Sanford, the Obama campaign/Democratic Party/liberal groups make it a mission to completely destroy them in their home states over this: "Obama tried to help the people of Georgia/South Carolina/Idaho/Louisiana/Alaska/Texas, but Governor Perdue/Otter/Palin/Jindal/Perry wanted to play political games."

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

[ Parent ]
Well we should get our shot at Perry
in Texas.

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