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PA-06: House Recruitment Thread

by: Crisitunity

Wed Jan 21, 2009 at 4:20 PM EST


We're going to fire up a new project here at Swing State Project, now that we've churned through the competitive senate and gubernatorial races in our statewide recruiting threads. We're moving on to the House races where we're facing the most vulnerable Republicans. We'll be turning to the Vulnerability Index that I put together last week as a means of seeing who exactly those vulnerable Republicans are.

Actually, it's not an entirely new project, as last week diarist peebles put up a couple very good diaries on this topic, on two of our best pickup opportunities in 2010, LA-02 and MN-03. Based on the traffic these diaries got, it's a topic that belongs on the front page, and we'll be discussing other top pickup possibilities in coming days.

So with LA-02 already discussed, let's turn to what the numbers tell me is the 2nd most vulnerable seat: PA-06. Jim Gerlach, despite his moderate record, has labored to hold onto this D+2 seat in Philadelphia's western suburbs. His margins have never broken out of the low single digits, even when faced with a little-known second-tier opponent like Bob Roggio in 2008. Added to the mix is the possibility that Gerlach, fed up with close races and the possibility of a redistricting-related demise in 2012, may be looking to vacate this seat to run for the governor's seat in 2010. This would leave an open seat where Dems might well be favored (although longtime state representative Curt Schroder has dibs on the GOP nomination, and could be a strong opponent).

With that in mind, here are some possible Democratic contenders for the seat:

Bob Roggio: We've had a good deal of fun at SSP at Roggio's expense, but you have to admit that he performed very well, in the final accounting, as an underfunded opponent starting out virtually unknown (coming closer than, say, Dan Seals or Darcy Burner, who had the big money and familiarity advantages while running in similar districts). Roggio himself says that he was feeling 50-50 about running again, if Gerlach didn't run.

Joe Torsella: This is the same Joe Torsella you sometimes see mentioned in the context of the 2010 Senate race, where he'd be a major underdog. He was deputy mayor of Philadelphia under Ed Rendell in his early 30s, was director of the National Constitution Center for a decade until last month (indicating something's brewing), and lost to Allyson Schwartz in the PA-13 primary to replace Joe Hoeffel. He was rumored to have been a 2008 candidate; he certainly seems interested in running for something next time, and PA-06 seems more within his pay grade than the Senate.

Christopher Casey: Seems like there's a Casey waiting to go in almost every district, and that's good, as the Casey name is still golden. Christopher is brother to the current senator, and is an attorney in Philly (though a Chester County resident). He turned down DCCC recruitment efforts for the 2008 election.

Andy Dinniman: There's not much of a bench of state senators to draw from in this district (indicating that we still have a long way to go in turning the Philly burbs blue at the legislative and county courthouse levels). Dinniman, from West Chester in the 19th Senate district, turned down the chance to run in 2008. The only other Dem senator who may (or may not) be in this district is Michael O'Pake from Reading in the 11th Senate district. (Reading is gerrymandered in half, to keep its minority populations out of PA-06, so O'Pake may reside in PA-16. Also, he's in the Dem minority leadership in the Senate, and may be focused on staying there.) Democratic state representatives in this district include Paul Drucker from Tredyffrin Twp. and Dave Kessler from Boyertown.

Melissa Fitzgerald: The former West Wing actress, who has local connections to the district, was reportedly interested in the race last time, but eventually faded from view. Other names that burbled up in the search that eventually gave us Bob Roggio, who could resurface, include Larry Platt, a Philadelphia magazine editor, and Mike Leibowitz, a Montgomery County real estate executive who lost the MontCo Dems endorsement to Roggio.

UPDATE: One other name that I hadn't considered, but has been suggested both in a comment from a PA-06 resident and in an e-mail from an in-the-know tipster, is Dan Wofford, son of ex-Sen. Harris Wofford and the 2002 candidate who barely lost in Gerlach's first race. He's been out of the limelight since then, but apparently is considering another shot.

Any Pennsylvanians out there have any other scuttlebutt or ideas?

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If Roggio's willing to give it another run WITH Gerlach around,
I'd say give him another chance, but this time, D-trip, give him some money, will ya?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

Oh god, not Roggio
The man is a millionaire and wasn't willing to sink in any money?  C'mon, he doesn't want it.  

Also, kudos for starting this up on the main page.  It is why I joined SSP to start this up.  


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Oh, he's a millionaire?
Never mind then.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Roggio
Roggio loaned his campaign $80,500.  There is no record of any personal contribution or any itemized contribution by a family member.  Over $39,000 out of $662,000 in total money raised went unspent.

There was no big PAC money (one $5,000 contribution from a union PAC) and $998 from Act Blue.

It's amazing he raised nearly $600,000 and more amazing he came close.


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That's a Drop in the Bucket
Yes, that is something, but the man owned Zenith corp, and had the money in a house, stock ... something, to make a play at this seat when he looked at the polling data and saw that gerlach was weak.  

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Fund raising comparison
The maxim used to be if you want to get elected to the House, raise a million bucks.  Roggio's $662,000 rated 39th among losing Democrats.  Twenty-nine Democrats raised over a million bucks and still lost.  These are basically the "serious candidates" we discussed at SSP during the last election.  The least known of the group were James Harlan, Bob Lord, Russell Warner, and Nick Leibham.

In 2006, it was possible for challengers to win elections while spending a minimum of 60% of what the incumbent did (with the lone exception of Carol Shea-Porter)counting outside funding.  Well, Roggio had no independent expenditures and did not meet either of these tests.


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I'm 99.99999% sure
that Torsella is running for Senate. I've heard so from people in a position to know.

I wonder if
running for the Senate is some sort of gambit, where if (or when) he gets no traction at the Senate level he can then, a year from now, drop down a tier and parlay his inflated prestige and coffers from his senate run into starting off from a better position in PA-06. Despite his seemingly abundant ambition, I can only see him getting steamrolled in the Senate primary, but maybe he knows something that I don't.

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Here's the headline
Ed Rendell is supposedly prepared to offer his support in the Primary AND General (against Specter).  

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Does Torsella live in the 6th district now?


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Wikipedia sez
he lives in Flourtown, which is in Whitemarsh Twp in MontCo, so apparently yes he does, although at the very tip of that finger that reaches out to grab the Main Line.

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It looks like the 13th to me
Judging by the overlays here anyway:

http://www.govtrack.us/congres...

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


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Yeah, I think you're right
I broke out the full-detail Census map of the district (warning: giant pdf) and the Flourtown portion of Whitemarsh Twp. is in the 13th, by a mile or so. Of course, without knowing his actual house address, this is all pretty speculative.

At any rate, it occurs to me that he'd probably much rather run in an open 13th, anyway, given the choice (since re-election would never be an issue), and if Allyson Schwartz vacates to run for the Senate, he could do that.


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It's not yet clear
whether Allyson is running for Senate. If she is, they'll be running against one-another again in the primary. That would be good for us, expect to the degree that it tends to split the SE vote and allow for an unpalatable Klink type to sneak by again.  

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Flourtown is either in the 13 or the 2nd, not the 6th
It's probably the 13th.  

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RE: Flourtown
The only section of Montco in the 2nd is Cheltenham.  Flourtown would mainly fall under Springfield's statistics (the township, not the borough, obviously).  Springfield is entirely in the 13th.

Interestingly enough, neighboring township Whitemarsh is divided into both the 6th and 13th.

Yes, I do realize that Flourtown's borders do include part of neighboring Whitemarsh.  However, given that only two precincts of Whitemarsh's are of the 6th and they are the Whitemarsh West 1 and 2, with West 3, all three Middle precincts, and both East precincts being in the 13th, I think it is safe to say that what little of Flourtown is in Whitemarsh's northeastern corner is clearly in the 13th as well.

Flourtown would be entirely in the 13th.


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I grew up in Chestnut Hill, so I know the area
pretty well. My point, from memory, is that the border is pretty close. I grew up in the 2nd, but my family went grocery shopping in the 13th.

The part of MontCo in the 6th is mostly the Main Line.  


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RE: Point
I understand your point.  The borders are very close, in several directions.  

However, what they restricted the 2nd to include of Montco would exclude Flourtown from being part of it, no matter how close those borders might be.

That was my point.

No, I did not grow up in Chestnut Hill.  Make that Upper Mayfair instead.  I have absolutely no idea what district that old A&P (later Super Fresh) was in when my mother shopped there.  I did not pay attention at such a level when I was that young.

Close enough to know that, yes, the Main Line is in the 6th, but the 6th in Montco is not mostly the Main Line, not even a majority of it is.

Pottstown and Norristown are in the 6th.  East Norriton is in the 6th.  Collegeville and Limerock are in the 6th.  Perklomen, Skippack, and Worcester are in the 6th, with which you are getting further away from the Main Line.

There is quite a bit more to the Montco section of the 6th than just the Main Line.


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I accept and embrace
your superior knowledge of the geography. I was just using simple elimination, and if I'd needed to know for sure, I would have consulted a map.  

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seeking input in Iowa
Our two Republican House reps, Steve King (IA-05) and Tom Latham (IA-04), are not vulnerable. I believe in fighting Republicans everywhere, but I am wondering whether it is worth even trying to recruit strong Democratic candidates against them. Rob Hubler worked so hard for 22 months and barely did any better than the Democrat who was just a name on the ballot and hardly campaigned against Steve King at all.

I see the wisdom in at least having someone try to rough up Latham in 2010 with a view to the 2012 race (where we may face Latham in 2012), but I don't know who would take on that hopeless task.

Maybe Iowa Democrats should just focus on re-electing Culver and maintaining/enlarging our statehouse majorities in 2010.

What do people think?

By the way, there is no sign that Leonard Boswell plans to retire, but rumor has it that Christie Vilsack would consider running in IA-03 if Boswell did step down before the 2010 election.


Ask for a Pennsylvanian...
and ye shall receive.  I'm new to posting on the site (long time reader, first time poster) but I live in the 6th and was pretty close to the Murphy campaigns and am fairly active in Chester County politics.  

First, let me say THANK YOU for this!  This seat is so winnable, but Lois Murphy was so awful, we dropped the ball this year.  I've got some criticisms I could make of Bob Roggio as a candidate (although not as a man, he's a terrific person) but he did very well for being so far behind the 8-ball.  If he was given half the money that Lois was given, he would've won and this was an absolute failure of the DCCC (and, yes, the netroots).  Him running again isn't optimal, but wouldn't be a bad idea.

The optimal candidate is Andy Dinniman.  He's beloved in Chester County, knocked off a heavy favorite in a special election for the State Senate, and was a long time County Commissioner.  His campaigns are run very well, his office is run very well, he'd be a stellar candidate.  Add in his close ties to the Caseys and organized labor and he might even start as the favorite.  BUT he's in his 60s and, from everything I've seen, he is not likely to run.  He gets a free shot at it in 2010 (Senate seat isn't up until 2012) but failing a draft movement, he's not running.  (NOTE: Although his district is centered in my hometown of West Chester, Andy lives in West Whiteland - West Chester is in Joe Pitts' 16th District).

Dan Wofford, the 2002 candidate, is another likely candidate.  He almost won in an awful year for Democrats, good speaker, good fundraiser, and a good campaigner.  Plus, his father was former Senator Harris Wofford.  He's another candidate who would likely win, but he's declined to run for a lot of offices and it's 50/50 at best if he'll run this time.

I think Leibowitz is a great guy, but he's (somewhat unfairly) not considered a real candidate in the local parties.

After the awful mistake of Lois Murphy, I think you're unlikely to see any Montgomery County residents run for this office.  Any Democrat will win Montgomery County but you can't run up a big enough tally there to win the district.  Any successful candidate is going to come out of Chester County (like Roggio and Wofford) or Berks County (where Reading is).

As for some of the other names mentioned, Curt Schroeder is very popular here but also hasn't had a real race in, well, I can't even remember.  Paul Drucker is going to have a tough enough time winning re-election (the local GOP overreached and put up an insane wingnut to replace a popular moderate).  But otherwise, yes, the bench is thin - we've lost three different HDs in this district in the last two cycles by less than a total of 5 points.  The Philly burbs are a place where any sort of support for down-ticket races are huge - especially with redistricting looming.


Yeah, Gerlach
has one both times by running up his margins in Chester and Berks counties. This district is so incredibly gerrymandered, it was drawn specifically for Gerlach, and specfically to elect a Republican, but the area just conintues to trend so Democratic at a Presidential and state level that it throws a wrench into their plans.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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When the dummymander delivers PA-06 to us in 2010
Someone had better post the Ha Ha picture.

Though, of course, we'd better not be complacent about it.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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a good candidate though?
he criticized the man for missing a vote to attend his mother's funeral. SwingStateProject was making fun of his many gaffes and misfires. He struck me as a pompous blowhard, and he was unable to raise any funds on his own. I think its just a sign of how far to the left that the district is moving that he did so well this time. Even Lois Murphy could have won there in 2008.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Let's be honest here, Roggio picked Tad Devine
as his media guy, and we all know that that guy can ... win races...yeah....

If he picked a competent media strategist and had 500 k more, he might have pulled it out, but Devine put the money in all the wrong places.  


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Curt Schroeder has never had to run a real campaign ..
Democrats never run anyone against him ... not even someone to just get their name on the ballot .. so he is not a shoe-in

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I like the idea
of Dan Wofford personally. He ran a pretty good campaign in 02 and judging by his fathers politics would be a solid representative.  

But I'll defer to the locals, just as long as it's not Roggio I'd be pretty happy.  


Good idea
I really think that with the backing of the DCCC, they could knock off this moderate.  It's a D+2 district, and two of the three counties are winnable for Dems ... it's Montgomery, I think, that isn't at all.  I may have that mixed up, but I followed this race as closely as I could and actually was working on a diary for it right now when I just saw this thread.

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Actually
Obama won all 3 of Berks, Chester, and Montgomery. Getting Berks was a big surprise, but the part of Berks that's in the 6th is the furthest-out reaches of the Philly burbs, and Reading's suburbs, so it's Dem-susceptible in the right environment.

Sorry to step on your diary-in-progress! We liked the first two you did, and thought this kind of analysis needs to be on the front page.


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Ah the berks
A sign is that while Obama won it, a Democrat is a marginally Democratic district in a change election didn't.  We can't afford to keep fielding people like Roggio.

And no worries, I am going to keep on doing them, but take more...interesting races.  Currently working on CA-50 and MO-09.


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The thread on LA-02 is so horribly off ...
it's laughable.  None of the people on that list will be running for that seat, save one.  

If that's the case,
why don't you come on over to the thread and give us some of your wisdom?

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