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SSP Daily Digest: 2/1

by: Crisitunity

Tue Feb 01, 2011 at 3:53 PM EST


MI-Sen: This looks like a tea leaf that Peter Hoekstra isn't a likely Senate candidate for 2012: he's joining big DC law/lobby firm Dickstein Shapiro, a popular destination for outgoing Congresspeople and certainly not the usual route for someone who wants to keep in touch with the little people back home. (Current "senior advisors" there include Dennis Hastert, Tim Hutchinson, and Albert Wynn.)

MN-Sen: Norm Coleman comes right out and says it explicitly: he's not going to run against Amy Klobuchar in 2012 (although he didn't rule out eventual other runs). Not that anyone rational was expecting it, but now we can check that box.

NV-Sen: Cue up some doomy soundtrack music for John Ensign: despite his having dodged the DOJ, the Senate Ethics Committee has decided to plow ahead on its inquiry of him, just in time for the cycle where he's up for re-election. Today a special counsel in l'affaire Ensign was announced.

NY-Sen: Going up against Kirsten Gillibrand in 2012 (in the wake of her cresting 60% in the down year of 2010) seems like an unenviable task for any Republican, and the duties might fall to former Lt. Gov. turned health insurance industry astroturfer Betsy McCaughey. Speaking before a confab for New York's Conservative Party, when asked about the race, she said she's "considering it."

WA-Gov: We can't officially shut the door on a highly-unusual run for a third term by Chris Gregoire until she actually says "no" herself, but state Dem party chair Dwight Pelz is publicly saying that he's looking ahead to electing a new governor in 2012. Don't expect Gregoire to say anything until the end of the legislative session, though.

WV-Gov: Get out your calendars and your red pen, because it looks like things are getting switched around yet again in West Virginia. The state House passed a bill authorizing the upcoming elections (including a primary, which wasn't considered a done deal because of the cost involved), but they've moved the dates around again. Now the primary date is May 14 (instead of June 20), and the general special election date is Sept. 13 (instead of Oct. 4). Of course, that's only the House version, so the state Senate could monkey around with it even more. Meanwhile, one Republican candidate is already exiting the field: state party chair Mike Stuart, who probably saw the writing on the wall given his 1% showing in PPP's sample of the primary. A few more GOPers that we haven't mentioned before are thinking about getting in to replace him, though: state House minority leader Tim Armstead, and state Del. Mitch Carmichael.

CT-05: This is a bit of a surprise, and ought to create a wide-open Republican field in the open seat race created by Chris Murphy's quest for a Senate seat. State Sen. Sam Caligiuri, who made a competitive race of it in 2010, says he won't run again in 2012.

MT-AL: As Denny Rehberg-related rumors got ramped up over the last few days, there's been a corresponding rise in rumors that Steve Daines (the Republican businessman who lost the 2008 Lt. Gov. race and announced a Senate bid in November) might bail out of the Senate race and drop down to the now-open House race instead. That would be a bit of a turnaround for Daines, who had already consolidated some backing from right-wing orgs for a possible tea-flavored primary rumble, but the House is a path of much less resistance for him. No confirmation from Daines today, but as of yesterday he sounded open to the idea.

State legislatures: This article about how state legislature constituencies are getting too populous for legislators to maintain effective old-school communications with their voters is most noteworthy for its neat interactive graphic. You can compare the legislator-to-constituent ratio for each state (unsurprisingly, California and Texas are the worst, while North Dakota and New Hampshire are the best).

Fundraising: We have fundraising numbers from 2010 Q4 for five different Senate Dems up in 2012, and we'll start with the weakest link: Dan Akaka, who has $66K CoH. (Not that that should presage retirement or even encourage Linda Lingle, as he doesn't really fundraise outside the cycles where he's up for re-election; he had $83K at this point six years ago.) Next up: Jim Webb, who has $444K CoH but raised only $12K last quarter, a number that by itself screams retirement... but as we know, Webb marches to his own drummer and could turn that around quickly. Ben Nelson is also in camped out in the land of the mediocre (and of the potential retirees), raising only $81K, though he has a more robust $1.4 million CoH.

Jeff Bingaman, on the other hand, seems to be heading for another term, albeit in slightly lukewarm fashion, raising $216K last quarter; he has $511K CoH. Debbie Stabenow is looking pretty aggressive, by contrast: she raised $537K and has more than $2 million CoH. One Republican to report on, as well: Orrin Hatch, likely to face a serious primary, raised $400K and is sitting on $2.5 million CoH (compared with Jason Chaffetz's $140K CoH).

Redistricting: Here's more on the growing worries from plugged-in Republicans that they don't have the money in place to effectively fight the legal battles associated with redistricting. The sense is that they're victims of their own success: they spent so much money on winning state legislatures last year that they didn't leave any leftovers budgeted for the aftermath.

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MI-Sen
So has Terry Lyn Land already had her little confab with Hoekstra? I'm betting her first question now isn't "Are you running?" but "How much they payin' ya?, any chance of a donation?"

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


TLL
Could she clear a primary field? It certainly looks like she's the front-runner if she chooses to run, but is her Republican support pretty universal or more confined to the Little Amsterdam area in the West?

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Other MI GOPers
I'm not sure how much things have changed, but it used to be in a GOP primary the balance of power was in the west/north with voters there generally voting their kind of candidate against anyone they viewed as "Detroit" (which would include everything from Pontiac/Dearborn/etc.

With Mike Rogers & Candace Miller both saying no it doesn't seem there is a viable suburb challenger. I'm not sure what the tea party activist might do, but it will be tough to get traction against a rural GOPer, at least one not named Upton.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Anuzis
Is from Detroit.  

[ Parent ]
Saul
I just spoke with a friend from MI how thinks Saul Anuzis IS going to run, I honestly don't see it...but they guy normally knows his stuff.  He actually expects it to be a very crowded primary, he even mentioned a Engler comeback.

Funny quip to boot "The last time people in Michigan had jobs, Engler was Governor".

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
This is a new GOP recruiting failure

I think this issue should have a own threat in SSP since P Hoekstra appears in the last SSP poll as the republican frontrunner for the race over J Engler.

A new GOP frontrunner getting in home for 2012.


[ Parent ]
In the PPP polls
I believe Engler was ahead, and Hoekstra was ahead without him. Mostly just name rec from 2010 run.  

[ Parent ]
If I'm not wrong, in the primary the result was so close

In the general Hoekstra was the best republican. It was something like

Stabenow +1% over Hoekstra
Stabenow +7% over Engler


[ Parent ]
Yeah
I do remember that Engler was the worst.  

[ Parent ]
Worst is right
The most intersting thing from that poll was the higher the name ID for the GOPer the worse they did in head to heads. Not encouraging for the GOP.

Now you can't read too much into a poll standing this far out, the best question for the GOP is who would actually match up best in a head-to-head vs Stabenow.

I'm thinking TLL would actually do better than Hoekstra, and as appealing as the idea of a Detroit area GOPer cutting into the suburban margins of Stabenow, but Saul Anuzis doens't seem like a good idea to me, this is NOT the race you want to cut your eye teeth on...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Anuzis
Saul may have been raised in Detroit, but the guy has lived in Lansing during much of his politically active life and is seen as being from Metropolitan Lansing.

[ Parent ]
Really?
I thought he lived in Dearborn, learn something new every day...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Delta Township
I'm pretty sure Saul has lived in suburban Lansing for some time now.  I live in Lansing, and I'm pretty sure he leaves immediately to the west in the suburban township of Delta.

[ Parent ]
Terry Lynn Land cannot clear the field
The field seems clearish at the moment, but that isn't because of Land.

If if does clear, it will be because other Republicans view the general election against Stabenow as enough of a long shot that they aren't interested.

Schuette probably can't announce yet (he has only been in his current office a month).  Others may also be waiting -- they probably have a year before any final decisions would need to be made.


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Schuette
Schuette?  Are you serious?  AG is the highest office this guy will ever win statewide.  He's not an old guy, but he's hopped offices so many times that there is no way he could step up to a Senate seat.  Hell, he did decent in the last Republican year, but in any other year he'd have been a marginal candidate, at best.  He wasn't even the first pick for AG by his party.

Schuette simply isn't that well liked, and he's never been much a force even within the Michigan GOP.  He's your quintessential political hanger-on.  Same thing for Ruth Johnson.  These were two very second-tier career politicians that were able to ride a wave.


[ Parent ]
Yes, Schuette, and probably Ruth Johnson too...
I'm not saying that Stabenow should be afraid, or even that they would clear the primary field.  I do think they'll both seriously consider a run, if only because it is a free shot.  

Schuette left Congress to run for the Senate.  He wasn't successful, but he has spent a long time since clawing his way back up the political ladder.  I'm fairly confident that he would still like to be a Senator.  

I don't think Johnson is as hungry, but she has never seemed to refuse a free shot in the past.


[ Parent ]
NV-Sen
Does anyone know if Nevada allows the governor to appoint a replacement Senator in the case of an opening, and if so if it would require a special election? Not saying Ensign will resign...yet.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


No special elections, but must be of the same political party
The Governor of Nevada appoints a successor who must be of the same political party as the previous U.S. Senator to serve until the next federal election cycle.

[ Parent ]
Why would he?
He didn't resign after his scandal, so I don't see him rushing to get out yet. Declining to run, on the other hand, is a distinct (and likely) possibility.

19, Male, libertarian Republican, TX-14 and MN-04

[ Parent ]
Depends
on what the Ethics Committee will do to him, not just punishment but humiliation and the cost involved in defending himself. He might be pumping all his funders one last time and then duck out before all the REALLY BAD SHIT comes out...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Fundraising, too......
Ensign is making a big fundraising push this quarter, and if he fails, that surely will be a factor in his decision.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Betsy McCaughey would be obliterated by Gillibrand
I happen to think someone like Dan Senor could hold Gillibrand to within a 20-point margin, but, as for McCaughey, let's not forget that she actually switched parties in 1997 after George Pataki booted her from the ticket. She ran for the Democratic nomination, tacked left, and managed to place 2nd. So, you'll have a bunch of Republicans, particularly rank-and-file ones, who view McCaughey with a very wary eye. Gillibrand could probably garner upwards of 20 percent of Republicans vs. McCaughey.

So, yeah, I think Senor's about as good it as gets for the New York GOP. He can coalesce the base, and that's about the most that can be expected here. Peter King isn't running. Maybe David Malpass runs again, but his candidacy floundered last year.  

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More Gillibrand on TV please
Maybe the GOP just wants Gillibrand to do more TV spots, not to sound sexist, but she's much easier on the eyes than Shumer...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Has she even switched back?
I remember hearing in '09 when she was criticizing HCR that people were identifying her as a Dem.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
NY
The Reeps won't win this in any case, but I don't see any point in running a walking train wreck like McCaughey. Instead, they should try to find an up-and-comer who could plausibly run for governor later on, and lose respectably while gaining some name recognition and state-level campaign experience. This is exactly what Christie Whitman did in NJ: made a decent showing against Bill Bradley in 1990 and went on to win the governor's office in 1993.  

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
PPPolling doesn't seem to know Crisitunity's deadline
Just saw this nugget on AZ-Sen;

http://publicpolicypolling.blo...


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


Ugly
They must find someone though, particularly if he quits.

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Strange
Check out Kyl's approval by gender;

Overall approval 47/40
Among WOMEN 49/36
Among MEN 44/46

I wonder if they transposed those numbers, I'm hard pressed to explain why Kyl (or any GOPer for that matter) would be more popular among women than men.

Thoughts anyone?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Yeah that is odd
Terry Goddard 43-35 favorable, Kyl leads 50-40
Janet Napolitano 40-55 unfavorable, Kyl leads 53-41
Ann Kirkpatrick 24-21 favorable, Kyl leads 51-35
Phil Gordon 19-37 unfavorable, Kyl leads 54-33  

[ Parent ]
internals
The party split looks ok but the sample skewed old: 12% under 30, 22% 30-44, 46% 45-64, 20% 65+. The 08 exit poll was 17% under 30, 28% 30-44, 36% 45-64, 18% 65+. McCain won the over-45s by about 15 points and split the under-45s, so the sample was probably a point or 2 too favorable to Kyl.  

That doesn't change the basic result, though. I was surprised that Napolitano does so much worse than Goddard. Goddard looks like the Dems' best bet (barring a very quick recovery for Giffords) but I don't know whether he'd want to head off to DC at age 65 after spending his whole career in Arizona.

41, Ind, CA-05


[ Parent ]
Kirkpatrick was an impressive fundraiser
Would she be interested?

[ Parent ]
not sure
I worked for the AZ state legislature from 1993-98 and have some familiarity with the state and its politics but  I don't know much about Kirkpatrick. She might want to try a rematch with Gosar who looks like he might be vulnerable in a presidential year. She'll be 62 but unlike Goddard she just came from DC (and went off for the first time at 58) so she might be easier to persuade to run.  

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
check out the internals...
of the rest of their polls.  They all skew much older than the projected 2012 electorate.  It's one reason I think their polls skew slightly more Republican.

[ Parent ]
Their final batch of 2010 polls
Were mostly more favorable to Republicans than reality but not by much and it wouldn't change the big picture here. PPP are generally very reliable. Which makes me wonder why their slew of post-election day polling in state after state has been mostly ignored. The assumption seems to be amongst Republicans (see link) and pundits alike (see Charlie Cook) that despite all this polling the electoral map has reverted to 2004 and 2008 was a blip.

http://twitter.com/LCGpolling/...


[ Parent ]
People are idiots?


[ Parent ]
Put Her and Only Her Before a Death Panel
NY-Sen: Last time I checked, Betsy McCaughey was still a Democrat, after switching in the late 1990s. (And forgive me, especially the ladies here, for being a little nasty, but she's still a stupid, nasty, lying twat that did more to cause hysteria during the health care debate than anyone I can remember. So screw her.) If this is the case, will she switch back to the Republicans? Or will she try to unseat Gillibrand from the Conservative Party line?

I'd actually like to see her try. Perhaps she could rake in a lot of industry money that might otherwise go to some  Republican candidates in what is ultimately a laughable, dead end pursuit.

Fundraising: Maybe this is a function of the fact that the race didn't turn in his favor until the very end, but wasn't Webb substantially outspent by Allen last time around? If that's the case, then perhaps he figures he can go as light this time, considering he's the incumbent. Plus, he's not exactly poor, so can't he self-fund if he wants to?

As far as Nelson goes, how expensive is it to compete in Nebraska? I also wonder if he figures that he can ramp up his fund raising later in the game and avoid being tarred with taking money from outside the state--you know, from those godless coastal elites or something.

And about his retirement: who will replace him if he does? On some days, I wonder if that's the best option for keeping the seat.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


VA-Sen 2006
Allen raised and spent more than twice as much. But I'm pretty much expecting a retirement now.

[ Parent ]
What's the sort of
number that you would expect to see if he were, in your example, definitely going to run?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Not based on this in particular
It may well just be Webb being Webb but I've become quite pessimistic on these things - the Republicans just keep getting their top-tier candidates and the Democrats keep making things even more difficult than they already are.

[ Parent ]
I know these
things seem to move faster and faster after each election, but unless there's some sort of particular step that needs to be taken, I wouldn't panic just yet. We're talking about Senate races, not presidential races, so the action is confined to each state, some of which have much smaller populations than the county that I live in. In a lot of the races, we're dealing with incumbents, who have a huge leg up in that they are the definite or almost definite candidates running. It's different for the Republicans, who have to get started earlier, particularly if they are going to face one or even a few potential top tier opponents. They will see most of the action for a while because they are, regardless of what happens on our side, trying to fill the most spots. Besides that, it's only February. We're still 11 months away from 2012, and several of those primaries won't happen until well into that year. The primary for North Dakota, for instance, isn't until June of 2012.

If there's anything keeping me calm, it's that we've still got a lot of time to find our candidates and work on a game plane and that there are no indications that 2012 will be nearly as bad as 2010. (By default, it almost has to be better, but if it ends up being a bad year, it ends up being a bad year. There's nothing that I can do about that now.) Plus, none of the states seem to trending against us in any significant way. Nebraska's still pretty red, but it was when Ben Nelson won there in 2000. The same can be said for Montana, North Dakota, and Missouri. Virginia's only going to get bluer. It's different than, say, Arkansas, where it's very likely the state could be moving out of our reach.

Oh yes, we could get some pretty big breaks if the Teabagger cause us trouble in Indiana and Maine, not to mention Massachusetts and Nevada, and perhaps even in the states that we are sweating about right now.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Hmmmm
You know my opinion on Webb so you KNOW what I would say, but I won't.

As for Nebraska, I wouldn't take Ben Nelson's fundraising to mean much of anything, I'm sure he can raise whatever he needes, but will it matter? He's always been a independent guy (you could say nacistic pain in the ass too and I wouldn't argue with you), but I think this time he's succeeded in alienating just about everyone in the entire state. Not that he's quite in Blanche Lincoln territory yet, but IMO it's close.

Would Dems be better off with someone else? Tough call, there is virtually NO Dem bench left in Nebraska, though if I was the NE State Dem chair my first call if/when Nelson announced his retirement would be Lincoln Mayor Chris Beutler or former Omaha mayor Mike Fahey. Johanns was once mayor of Lincoln too so there is a precendent for moving to Senate. Omaha is tougher, and Fahey (despite being a great guy, one of my favorite Dems nationwide) would too easily get painted as the Gun Control Candidate, which is death anywhere outside of the Omaha city limits (even in Lincoln that won't fly, I believe University of Nebraska still allows un-concealed firearms)

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
You know, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if the NY Republican Party wanted nothing with McCaughey
The Conservative Party, perhaps. After all, unlike the state GOP, she's never screwed them over. I can fathom a scenario where the Conservative crowd backs McCaughey right out of the starting gate and hopes that their clout will help her pull a DioGuardi in the primaries. Of course, the state GOP quite liked DioGuardi. They loathe McCaughey.

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[ Parent ]
Here, by the way, is video of McCaughey's party switch
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/pro...

She pans Joe Bruno, praises Bill Clinton, and is accompanied by none other than uber-liberal NYC Public Advocate Mark Green. Any savvy primary challenger could destroy her with this.

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[ Parent ]
I wouldn't be surprised
by that, either. I just don't get her motivation. Is she that delusional?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Coleman
I think this is a case where one can pretty easily read between the lines: he's in for either Gov or Sen in 2014. Which one I don't know - it probably depends on how weak Dayton looks in 3 years' time.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

Franken would seem the logical target
If Coleman was going to run for national office this was the year, since he's not why go back to Governor? Taking down Franken would get him a lot of star power (which does actually matter when your looking for committee assignments).

This all might also be him dealing with buyers remorse for having retired just as the GOP was going to take back the legislature, that has to smart...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Ugh
Total TOTAL brainfart on this, don't even know what I was thinking....forgive me.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Coleman always wanted to be Gov
He lost in '98 and I think was preparing a run in '02 before Karl Rove convinced him to switch to the Senate. So I think Gov is more likely unless Dayton's popularity starts going way up. Though I do agree a rematch with Franken is a real possibility.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
The GOP are doing everything in their power
to make him seem like the sane sensible one.  Both chambers now have bills moving that repeal the Local Government Pay Equity Act, which ensures equal wages for women.  Seriously?

[ Parent ]
True colors
They always overreach. Bob McDonnell loves African-Americans too you know.

[ Parent ]
Backlash
This isn't going to play well. I am wondering exactly what the Republican's endgame is. Because frankly, at the rate they are going, they are going to piss off nearly everyone.  

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
I can only
hope the House Republicans decide to do the same. What a nice contrast it would be to have President Obama talking about job creation while they hold hearings on the alleged fraud of global climate change science or voter fraud or some bullshit like that.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I'd like to believe that...
...but, Americans tolerated Gingrich and his antics for a long time without protest.

[ Parent ]
You mean re-electing President Clinton
And bucking the sixth-year itch?

[ Parent ]
A gain of 9 house seats in 1996...
...with no gain in Senate seats, then a measly gain of 5 house seats in 1998 seems like tacit approval to me.  Neither chamber changed hands until 2000 and that was by the narrowest of margins.

They tolerated ol' gingrich quite well.  


[ Parent ]
Retirements were the problem in 1996
And you know fine well how unprecedented 1998 was. Besides, the original comment was about the Republican Congress being a foil for the president. That stands.

[ Parent ]
The Six Year Itch -- from an '86 article
http://www.theatlantic.com/pas...

For decades political analysts have been intrigued by an ironclad pattern in American politics: the President's party loses seats in the off-year election that follows his White House triumph--a phenomenon that has occurred in every off-year election save one since the Civil War. Since the Second World War, off-year losses for the President's party in the House have averaged fifteen seats in the second year and forty-eight in the sixth; in the Senate the average losses are zero in the second year and seven in the sixth.

'98 was the second time it was beaten after the Civil War.

On average, we should have lost 48 seats if '98 were an standard 6th year election.

In other words, Newt's actions cost Republicans 57 seats in the House in '98.


[ Parent ]
"measily gain of 5 seats in 1998"?
it was a midterm, of a president's second term. usually keeping losses in the house to single digits and the senate to two of three seats is seen as a monumental victory.  there weren't any losses in the senate and a gain in the house.  compare that to bush's loss of both house in 2006, reagan's loss of 8 republican senate seats in 1986, 49 house seats and 16 senate seats in 1958 and 5 senate seats and 28 house seats in 1950 during truman's second midterm.  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
That's true,
but there wasn't massive unemployment back then like there is now. If a large group of people is unemployed and a larger group is worried about becoming unemployed, and similar stuff, but one side is talking about solutions while the other is talking about the equivalent of a political masturbation fantasy, the latter group will look foolish. Or they should, anyway.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Senate to vote on repeal
http://politicalticker.blogs.c...

What will Joe Manchin and Ben Nelson do?


Not sure what Nelson will do...
...but Manchin will probably go to his son's birthday party instead of voting... or something.

[ Parent ]
Joe Manchin
Or Joe Manchin might take the HCR repeal bill into the woods and shot it?

[ Parent ]
Also, Lieberman, McCaskill, Tester, Webb
My hunch is Manchin definitely votes for the repeal, Nelson's 50/50, Lieberman and Webb lean against repeal, and McCaskill and Tester very likely vote against it. FWIW, I think Collins, Lugar, and Murkowski could all vote against a repeal, though none probably will.  

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[ Parent ]
Nah
All Republicans will vote for repeal. Pryor is the only other Dem I can think of. They held together pretty well in the House so hopefully these folks can follow suit.

[ Parent ]
This is all silly, Manchin is the only Dem who MIGHT vote for repeal......
No one who voted for the bill last year is going to vote for repeal now.  You have to establish a foundation of apologetic rhetoric over time in the lead-up to the repeal vote to have any chance at all of flip-flopping on something like this and still surviving politically.  No Dem has done that, they've all doubled-down, correctly frankly because that's the safer political route after having voted "yes" last year.  It's not like any of them voted for cloture but "no" on the up-or-down, which you can rationalize logically and reasonably even though no one really does that anymore; they all voted "yes" on the up-or-down, and that makes a flip-flop fatal.

The only Dems who didn't vote for HCR last year are the 3 freshmen who weren't there:  Blumenthal, Coons, and Manchin.  And Blumenthal and Coons are liberals who won't vote for repeal.  Manchin can do whatever he wants and spin it back home, but even he has spoken more favorably than unfavorably about the bill in the totality of his rhetoric.

All the Senate Dems, save maybe Manchin, are committed to the HCR law, even if for some of them for no other reason than that they're past the point of no return.  And even in Manchin's case if I had to put money on it, I bet he votes "no" on repeal.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Manchin campaigned on repealing the "bad parts" of HCR
So he could really go either way. He could vote yes on repeal to appease the conservatives in WV, or he could vote no and say it's because he doesn't support full repeal (then list all the popular things that would be repealed).

[ Parent ]
I heard
all 47 Rs are co-sponsoring the repeal bill.  It would be political death for them not to.

Libertarian secular Republican, MO-7

[ Parent ]
Why would
Lieberman and Webb vote for repeal after voting for the actual bill? BTW, every Republican Sen is a co-sponser of the repeal effort.  

[ Parent ]
Lieberman
voted against the final draft and drug his feat through the whole freaking process. I'd put money on him voting for repeal. Webb, well you just never know. I don't think he will .

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
There's no way Lieberman votes
for repeal. He was a PITA during the process, but he's spoken highly of the bill several times since, has touted it in press releases, and represents a number of very large insurance companies, who will benefit from the new customers the mandate delivers.

[ Parent ]
Also, what do you mean
that Lieberman "voted against the final draft"? He voted for health care reform at all the important points: namely, the first Senate bill in December '09 (he trudged through the snow to make it from his synagogue), and then the reconciliation bill in March.

Once the public option and Medicare buy-in were scrapped, he was totally on board. He has never had a problem with the mandate.


[ Parent ]
That
is wrong wondering on my part. He voted against the House reconciliation the last time.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
No
only Ben Nelson, Lincoln and Pryor voted against the reconciliation bill?

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
You sure?
I'm 90% he did vote against it as well.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
He voted for it
roll call here:

http://www.senate.gov/legislat...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
Ok, thanks
Well its not the first time I'm wrong. I could have sworn Lieberman voted against something. He's still a dick in my book.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
60 or 50 needed
Is this a vote for passage or cloture? I doubt it will matter, but I could at least see repeal getting 51 votes and Obama getting to hold a big veto presser.

Now if this is just on cloture I could see LOTS of Dems seeking cover by voting for repeal, Manchin, Nelson, Webb, Tester, Casey...who the hell know - as long as they are SURE it doesn't matter....

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Cloture
That would be crazy since they voted for it already.

[ Parent ]
It's a point of order...
...since repeal would increase the deficit.  60 votes would be needed for point of order, and I don't think any dems will defect.

Nelson and Manchin are both on record against repeal, but want changes.  


[ Parent ]
Louisiana AG switching parties
As the only Democratic state attorney general to sue over HCR, I'd say it's about time.

http://www.dailykingfish.com/d...


As
I said in the open thread, it was not a matter of if Caldwell would switch parties, but when. Sounds more naturally in the GOP anyway if he joined the lawsuit against HCR plus he was already pretty damn conservative anyway.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Very disappointing.
(This is predicted by Dem insiders and not officially announced yet.)  If anything, it shows he's a coward.  However, I hope smoltanchov was right in saying that Caldwell is slightly to the right of Jindal.  If that is true, then I guess this kinda suits him.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Now Caldwell goes from being one of my least favorite Democrats to just another Republican!


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



[ Parent ]
And he goes from
Being my favorite Democrat to just another Republican.  

[ Parent ]
It seems...

It seems not the best place and the best moment for tell it...


[ Parent ]
Just agree

And maybe one of the worst republicans...

[ Parent ]
Told y'all
Everyone here (except estronghold) said it would never happen.  

[ Parent ]
I thought it would happen, but not sure if I said it (convenient, right?)
I volunteer with Louisiana Dems a lot and some of them know who I am here so I didn't want to bash one of our own (though I may have anyway). But now I can say all the things I've been holding back for months!!!


21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



[ Parent ]
Well, I suspected it was only a matter of time.
I expected a lot of conservative Dems in LA, MS, and AL to switch, while I was not worried about any party-switchers in AR, KY, and WV.

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[ Parent ]
It is not a surprise

It was so obvious what he want...

[ Parent ]
I don't
want to gloat, especially since the guys at LA Dems headquarters are probably going through several cans of beer trying to forget this unfortunate incident....but it was apparent after all those Dem legislators were switching parties en mass that Caldwell was probably going to join them. Its not good to be a conservative Democrat anywhere right now, especially in Louisiana. And the fact the guy was the only Democratic AG in the HCR lawsuit means he was already to the right of his party.

Drew Edmondson down in Oklahoma could of joined in the lawsuit, but he didn't. Even though he knew if he won the primary he would be savaged by Mary Fallin for not joining the lawsuit. Same as Baker down in Georgia.

Trust me, if you want the courts to invalidate your party's most landmark legislation in decades, you probably feel they've left you ideologically.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
God I'm glad I don't live in the Old South!......
The Deep South plus a few nearby states are just political hell, and will become a hellish place to live as a result.  At the rate they're going, they'll move closer to Somalia than an advanced western society, except that the state will maintain its power to punish homosexuality, abortion, and driving or voting while black or brown.

Virginia where I live is bad enough with the hard right House and a hard right Governor, but at least there are strong liberal areas and it's still ultimately a purple state with potential to turn more favorable in the forseeble future.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Well, they've had it both ways for too long...
Voting for bad Federal government, but making sure their state government was robust as a buffer.  Now, they get the full monty they deserve.

Yes, it will be ugly...


[ Parent ]
Yes
like Rick Perry badmouthing the stimulus but using 99% of it to fill his state's budget deficit in 2009. Or Senator Mike Lee (R/Tea Party-UT) calling federal disaster relief unconstitutional before begging FEMA to help his state to help deal with flood damage.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
Having lived in the south
(rural coastal NC-03), I think it's quite an exaggeration to call it a "hellish place to live".

Politically, I think 2, maybe 3 states of the south are completely out of reach for Ds: AL, MS, and maybe LA.

Even in northern Alabama, there are regions where education matters, where tech jobs are significant, where people are welcoming on a personal level, even if they are political idiots.


[ Parent ]
Although I didn't specify, I excluded NC from my mind in typing that comment......
What I had in mind by "Old South" was the Deep South plus Tennessee, and nearby states like Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Texas.  Texas will change as the nonwhite population keeps growing and eventually overwhelms the ability of the GOP to turn white voters as persuadable whites simply run out.  But that's at least a decade away, perhaps a full generation away.  The other states are lost causes.

I regard any state where Obama won in '08 not to be in the category of hell.  And Georgia, like Texas, eventually will see the nonwhite vote overwhelm the white voters to turn that state.  But again, at least a decade away.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I never said it won't happen
It seems right now everyone and his daddy switches Republican (except blacks). I said i don't see a rationale for him to switch, and i don't see it still. Even more - a chances od "Parker Griffith" now are higher then before. All will depends on Caldwell "agreements" with top Republican leaders and whether these agreements will be fulfilled by all sides.

[ Parent ]
Meh
it doesn't really effect anything. It's not like he was a future candidate so we are not losing out on much.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Actually
When reports surfaced last week that he was seeming likely to switch, some Dem sources also said he was looking at the Gov race if no one ran against Jindal and he was going to get a strong challenge.  

[ Parent ]
I
highly doubt it. It would be a suicide run and he would not have won. Why would he throw away a safe run for AG to get his ass handed to him? The source was obviously wrong on a lot of fronts and I don't see him being right on that one.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Because
His AG re-election was safe. and the source predicted he would switch parties soon, so he wasn't wrong on too many fronts...He just said Caldwell was thinking about the possibility of a gov run if AG looked bad.  

[ Parent ]
I actually wish Hoekstra had run
despite that one poll that showed him strong, I think he would have ultimately lost. Terri Lynn Land on the other hand would be a formidable opponent. Since her and Hoekstra seemed to be coordinating plans, his decision not to run seems to suggest she's really considering it. I hope not. We have too many races in purple and red states to worry about Michigan.  

NY-01/NY-19

Tea leaves
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

Not necessarily that instructive. Dino Rossi signed up for some odd jaunts that made him look like he was out last cycle. Never say never.


[ Parent ]
Egypt.
Mubarak just announced that we won't seek another term.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Progress of a sort
Fortunately, that freed up President Obama to say

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/41...

President Barack Obama said he told Mubarak after the speech that the transition to a new government "must begin now."

I'd think a month from today would be better. (The planned election is in September, an appropriate time if a transition administration under someone like ElBaradei is put into place say on March 1.)


[ Parent ]
Starting to fret a bit about the Senate
Arizona looks increasingly out of reach, while Nebraska and North Dakota look pretty brutal and I think Michigan, Montana, Missouri, and Virginia are all looking like tossups. New Jersey and Florida could get uncomfortable, too.

Democrats can potentially flip Nevada, Maine, and Massachusetts, and I'd still make a bid for Tennessee, Arizona, and Indiana if I were Sen. Murray (especially if I could get Bredesen in the Volunteer State, which would be a hell of a coup), but it's looking like another uphill fight next year.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


4 years
of hell for Democrats in the senate. That's all I can say.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Too early
The map looks tough I agree but the map looked great 2 years ago and we know how that turned out.

Let's just wait at least a year and see how things look before we start to really worry.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


[ Parent ]
And how soon everyone forgets, the map was hell for us in 2006 and...
...we picked up 6 seats and Senate control.

That year not only did the GOP have fewer seats up than us, just 15, but only one Republican retired, in conservative Tennessee.  And we lost that lone open seat!  We beat 6 of the 14 Republicans who ran for reelection, a stunning statistic that the political media never picked up on.  You just virtually never see almost one-half of a party's incumbents up for reelection get beat, that's unheard of.  But that's what we did.

The "math" just hasn't mattered a lot in quite awhile.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
2006 was a pretty unbelivable year for Dems
It's easy to pick on people for missing the vulnerability of Blanche Lincoln two years ago, but that year George Allen, Mike DeWine, Lincoln Chaffee and Jim Talent all lost, and I would have guessed none of those were considered vulnerable two years before (I'm guessing Rick Santorum was the only incumbent who would have been considered vulnerable).  

[ Parent ]
2006 a bad map?
Maybe, but everyone knew is was going to be a good year for Dems, six year itch and all that.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
You're wrong about that, the CW was the Senate looked bad for us......
It wasn't until 2006 rolled around that people talked about Democrats doing any better than break-even in the Senate.  The 6-year itch was ignored in favor of the math, which was awful.

As I just said, we had more seats up that year, plus the GOP had just one retirement and that was in a conservative state where we ultimately lost.

And any 6-year itch was cancelled out by our having a great 2000 in the previous cycle for that class.  We had a net gain of 5 in 2000, gaining 6 and losing one, wiping out most of the GOP's 8-seat 1994 gain.  So 2006 was supposed to be a "neutral" year for Senate races, and we way overperformed.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Minor correction
we lost two seats in 2000, an open seat in NV and an incumbent in VA. Combined with our pickups in FL, DE, MI, WA, MN, and MO, that was a 4-seat gain, I believe.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Still too early
Let's wait to see what happens with recruitment in North Dakota and Arizona and what happens with retirements or primary upsets the other states you list. Hell, let's wait to see what happens with any number of things.

After all, what's the big difference between someone like Stabenow and someone Kyl? They are both below 50 percent. He has stronger ratings overall, but almost a quarter of Michigan voters register no opinion when asked about her. All of her opponents are around the same spot, including those who are well known throughout the state. A lot of his opponents in the poll, like Gordon or Kirkpatrick, aren't particularly known throughout the state. And so on.

The point is, while Kyl is probably in a stronger spot than Stabenow, they aren't that different. Yet, everyone acts as if two candidates who are very similar are in wildly different positions. My guess? We're just being a little too negative.

Anyway, like you, I think we should make a play for every possible seat, including Tennessee. The problem with Bresden, though, is that he's supposedly friends with Corker.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I'll be surprised if Sen. Corker wins the GOP nomination
He's on speaking terms with at least one Democrat, which makes him a commie traitor by Tea Party standards.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Corker is extremely popular with the TN GOP.
nt

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
MI-Redistricting
Maybe some inside baseball, and maybe a few days late, but Democratic State Representative Barb Byrum (from the district directly to the south of mine) put forth a redistricting reform bill, last week, that went down along partisan lines (45-63); it seems two Dems were absent.  It would have included:

* Increase transparency by posting online all redistricting proposals and any communication House members and staff have with outside parties regarding redistricting.
* Broaden public participation by soliciting redistricting proposals and input from Michigan residents.
* Require at least six public hearings across the state to consider redistricting proposals, no less than 45 days after census data is released.
* Prohibit redistricting proposals from being reported out of any legislative committee until at least 30 days after the final statewide hearing has taken place.

It'd be nice if the two parties could compromise and at least move us in the direction of a more transparent redistricting.  This isn't even that hard of a reform as compared to some other states that have gone to non-partisan/bi-partisan redistricting panels.


Arizona
Obama approval 45-51, Romney up 6, Huckabee up 4, Gingrich ties and Palin trails by 8.

I'd call that competitive. More evidence Romney is stronger out west than Huckabee and vice versa in the south. And if nothing more it makes winning an open Senate seat more of a possibility.

http://publicpolicypolling.blo...


He could win, because that's not bad at all,
especially if there's some lingering effect of the most recent elections. Of course, that may have been cancelled out, if not surpassed, by what happened with Giffords.

Anyway, against Romney, he gets 86 percent of liberals, 54 percent of moderats, and 9 percent of conservatives. If you are curious to see the results recalculated based on 2008 and 2010 turnout but with Romney as the candidate based on the cross tabs, here you go. Instead of 18/44/38 for L/M/C, let's go to:

-2008: 21/42/36

This would give him 51.18 percent of the vote.

-2010 (from the Goddard v. Brewer race): 16/37/46

137.6 199.8 41.4

This would give im 37.88 percent of the vote.



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Difference between Romney and Huckabee in AZ
is well within the MoE, a smaller gap than I expected.

While I accept the conventional wisdom that Romney would do better in the west than Huckabee, this poll does not really support that case.


[ Parent ]
Curious about early POTUS polling
Are these polls usually better for the incumbent president due to name rec? I would imagine that before the primaries have started, the names of Romney, Huck, and Gingrich aren't on many people's minds. Palin is the exception, and we've seen in pretty much every state that she's unelectable.

I didn't follow early polling in 2004. Do people remember if Bush had big early leads, or if he was running unrealistically well in blue states in 2003?

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
Not completely sure
don't feel like doing that complex of a google at the moment

But I don't think there were this many state-level polls even in the '04 cycle.

What polls there were with head to heads to some extent were consistent with Presidential favorability or approval ratings.


[ Parent ]
I remember
reading an article a year or two ago talking about when Howard Dean was supposed to bulldoze Kerry, Edwards and Gephart in Iowa they mentioned that a CNN poll done showed Dean and Lieberman down double digits to Bush in the national opinion polls.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I still think Arizona will prove a sizable reach for Obama
On one hand, I suppose Huckabee would provide something of an opening, but I think Romney rather comfortably seals this one (and much of the southwest) up.

The thing is, note this: in both '08 and '10, Republicans outpaced Democrats by a rather similar margin - 7% in '08, 8% in '10. In addition, Obama, Glassman, and Goddard all garnered about the same share of the party vote - 85%, 81%, and 87%. (Perhaps conservative AZ Democrats skew GOP in this climate?) McCain, both times, and Brewer garnered about 90% of the GOP vote. So, we see, on the whole, there's little crossover-voting, though the Ds are a tad less shored-up with the party vote. Let's say the 2012 electorate looks something like...

R - 39%
D - 31%

Obama - 10%/85% = 30%
Republican - 90%/15% = 40%

By my count, Obama would need 65% of the Independent vote to cross the 50% mark. That...ain't happening. He won 51% of the Indie vote in '08 and that brought him to 45% overall.

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[ Parent ]
All of the SW?
I do't really agree with that statement. His Mormonism is what would play well out west, at least in theory. So the states he would cruise in are Utah (so what?), Idaho (who cares?), Arizona (Unnecessary, and Obama lost it last time) and Montana (see: Arizona). The one state where it MAY make a difference is Nevada, but Mormons in Nevada vote overwhelmingly for Republicans anyway. I think the difference will be trivial, honestly.

Now, on the other hand, Romney may play MUCH better in Michigan and New Hampshire. Those two states seem to be more important in the grand scheme of things. And both states had quite the rightward bump in '10.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
Why does Romney seal up much of the Southwest?
I get that these are still basically center-right states that are probably turning into true tossups, but I don't see why he's as lethal as you seem to think he is. I don't mean to sound like a jerk, so I am sorry if I do, but I just don't get where you are coming from.

I don't see why it's so out of the question for him to do very well with Independents. He won them last time against a home state senator. He's winning them in the sample above. That could change, of course, but so can the electorate. There are over 760,000 unregistered whites, over 60,000 unregistered blacks, and over 380,000 unregistered Hispanics. That last bit is particularly important, since there's no guarantee (and that's being charitable) that the Republican will do as well with Hispanics as McCain did. Plus, there could be some drop off amongst Republicans since one of their own isn't on the ballot.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I'm skeptical of the hispanic voter crosstab
 But the poll says what it says. . .

[ Parent ]

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