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SSP Daily Digest: 12/17

by: Crisitunity

Fri Dec 17, 2010 at 3:45 PM EST


AZ-Sen: There have been vague rumblings that maybe Jon Kyl, the GOP's 68-year-old #2 in the Senate, may not be running for another term... but that seems to be coming into sharper relief all of a sudden. Kyl has refused to publicly discuss his plans, the GOP's state chair is saying Kyl is not likely to run again, and people are starting to notice that he's sitting on only $620K CoH and hasn't engaged in any fundraising yet. (Although it's likely, once he decides, that he could quickly do whatever fundraising was needed to win.)

CT-Sen: Ex-Rep. Rob Simmons sounds torn about another Senate run in 2012, and refuses to rule it out. However, he sounds unenthused, not so much because of his odds in the general as the likelihood of butting heads with the NRSC in the primary, whom he thinks has a fixation on Linda McMahon and her self-funding ability. Meanwhile, Rep. Chris Murphy is busy framing his "no" vote on the tax compromise in populist terms, clearly trying to set up some contrasts with Joe Lieberman.

NE-Sen: I'd thought AG Jon Bruning was supposed to be some sort of killer-app for the local GOP to go against Ben Nelson, but you wouldn't know it by the way they've kept casting about for more talent. Local insiders are still publicly airing their wish list, adding a couple more prominent names to it: Rep. Jeff Fortenberry and state Auditor Mike Foley. One lower-tier option is also floating her own name: state Sen. Deb Fischer, who represents that big empty north-central part of the state and says she'll decide on a run once the legislative session is over.

OR-Sen: Best wishes for a quick recovery to Ron Wyden, who will be undergoing surgery on Monday for prostate cancer. While it sounds like he'll be back on his feet soon, he'll be unable to vote for anything next week, which could complicate the final rush to wrap up stuff in the lame duck.

TN-Sen: Bob Corker occasionally gets mentioned, at least in the rightosphere, as the possible recipient of a tea party primary challenge in 2012. The Hill finds that this may be fizzling on the launching pad, for the very simple reason that no one seems to be stepping forward to consider the race.

WI-Sen: PPP is out with its poll of the 2012 GOP Senate primary, with another one of those let's-test-everyone-and-their-dog fields, but unlike some of the other states they've looked at in the last few weeks, a U.S. Rep. wins, rather than a statewide figure. Paul Ryan (who probably gets enough Fox News attention to trump the disadvantage of representing only 1/8th of the state) is far in the lead at 52. Ex-Gov. Tommy Thompson (who if he didn't run this year surely isn't going to in 2012) is at 14, ex-Rep. Mark Green is at 9, AG JB Van Hollen and new Lt. Gov. Rebecca Kleefisch are at 6, new Rep. Sean Duffy is at 5, and already-forgotten 2010 contender Dave Westlake is at 1.

IN-Gov, IN-09: Baron Hill says he most likely isn't going to be running for anything in 2012, not Governor, and not his old seat in the 9th, saying he's looking into private sector jobs for now, though also leaving the gubernatorial door "slightly open." Interestingly, he seemed more enthused about a run for Governor in 2016 (which may be a tougher road to hoe, if there's an entrenched GOP incumbent then instead of an open seat like 2012), although he also commented that "I don't know if I'll be alive in 2016."

MO-Gov: In case there was any doubt, Democratic incumbent Jay Nixon confirmed that he'll run for re-election as Governor in 2012. Nixon also said that he's raised $1 million for that race just since November; he'll need it.

WV-Gov: For what it's worth, two of the state's largest unions would like to see an expedited special election to replace Joe Manchin. Democratic House Speaker (and likely gubernatorial candidate) Rick Thompson agrees with them, saying there's a constitutional conflict of interest in acting Gov./Senate president Earl Ray Tomblin's dual position. In what may not be a surprise, Tomblin disagrees, saying that the law is clear that the special will be held in 2012.

CA-06: Rep. Lynn Woolsey is seeming like she may be one of the first retirements of the cycle, if the flurry of activity among lower-level Marin County politicos jockeying for position is any indication. The 73-year-old is publicly weighing retirement, and state Assemblyman Jared Huffman has already formed an exploratory committee to run in her stead. State Sen. Noreen Evans, Sonoma Co. Commissioner Shirlee Zane, and Petaluma mayor Pam Torliatt are also listed as possible replacements.

FL-25: It certainly didn't take newly-elected Rep. David Rivera to get in legal trouble, and it's something completely new, instead of anything having to do with that whole let's-run-that-truck-off-the-road incident. He's under investigation for an alleged $500,000 in secret payments from a greyhound track that he helped out to a marketing firm that's "run" by his septuagenarian mother.

ID-01: Don't count on a rematch from Walt Minnick (or a run for higher office in Idaho, either): he says he's done with elective politics. An oft-overlooked fact about Minnick: he's a little older than your average freshman, at 68. He wasn't going to be in the seat for much longer or look to move up anyway.

NY-14: Remember Reshma Saujani, after losing the Dem primary in the 14th, said "I'm definitely running again" and "There's no way I'm going to be ones of those folks who runs, loses, and you never see them again." Well, fast forward a few months, and now she's definitely not running again, although she may be looking toward a run for something in 2013 at the municipal level.

DCCC: The DCCC held its first real strategy session of the cycle yesterday, and the list of top-tier targets that emerged is pretty predictable (Dan Lungren, Charlie Bass, Charlie Dent, Bob Dold!) except for one: Leonard Lance, who's proved pretty durable so far. They may be counting on Lance's NJ-07, which occupies roughly the middle of the state, to get tossed into the blender in the redistricting process.

Votes: Here's the vote tally from yesterday's vote in the House on the tax compromise. It was a very unusual breakdown, with Dems breaking 139 yes/112 no and the GOP breaking 138 yes/36 no, with the "no"s coming generally from each party's hard-liners, in a manner vaguely reminiscent of how the TARP vote broke down. (Also, some defeated or retiring Blue Dogs still voted "no," like Allen Boyd, Gene Taylor, and Earl Pomeroy... while Dennis Kucinich was a "yes.")

History: Here's an interesting story about the end of a little-known but important era in North Dakota politics: the effective end of the Non-Partisan League, a vaguely-socialist/populist farmers' party that cross-endorsed Democrats for many decades, and had an outsized influence on the state (as seen in their state-owned bank and similar enterprises). With Byron Dorgan retired, most NPL stalwarts dead or aging, and agribusiness having replaced the family farm, it looks like the end of the NPL's line.

Redistricting: Dave Wasserman is out with a preview of next week's reapportionment, and he's rightly treating it like the NCAA playoffs draw, in that there a bunch of states on the bubble of getting or losing seats. Here's how that plays out:

Georgia, Nevada, and Utah are all but certain to gain an additional seat in the House, while Iowa, Louisiana, Massachusetts, Michigan, Missouri, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania are all but certain to lose a seat and Ohio is all but certain to lose two seats.... the ten states in contention for the "last five" seats in the House (in order of likelihood to make the cut) are South Carolina, Florida, Minnesota, Washington, Texas, New York, California, Arizona, North Carolina, and Illinois.

He's also been tinkering around with Dave's Redistricting App, and has some maps that you'll want to check out. Maybe most interestingly, there's a solution to the IL-17 problem that actually makes it more Democratic while letting Aaron Schock and Bobby Schilling get much better acquainted with each other (the Fix also takes a look at Illinois today, coming up with similar ideas). Also worth a look: a good 10-district Washington map that gives Dave Reichert a heaping helping of eastern Washington.

Site news: Due to holiday travel, other time commitments, and hopefully what will be a very slow news week, the Daily Digest will be on hiatus all next week. Don't worry, though: I'll make sure to be around on the 21st for the Census reapportionment data release (hell, maybe I'll even liveblog the news conference), and if there's any important breaking news, someone will get it up on the front page. In the meantime, happy holidays from the whole SSP team!

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Happy holidays
It's sick that I'm disappointed there'll be no Daily Digest for a whole week...the December after midterm elections.

Oh well, better politics than crack, I guess.

19, male, Dem, CT-04 (home) PA-02 (college and registered)


I'll be turning
Personally, I'll be turning to crack to get through these trying times now that there's no Daily Digest.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

[ Parent ]
Maybe sexytimes could help too? ;-) n/t


[ Parent ]
I expect a lot of chaos over the next week
It's the hard times like these when people's true personalities come out. You start to remember who your real friends are when you have to huddle closely around a small fire shivering and sharing what few  Ralston tweets and First Call posts you have left. Best of luck, soldier

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

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*First read


Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
First Read is going on holiday too (sorta)
Until Jan 3 - http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...

Our morning First Read dispatch will be on holiday over the next two weeks, but it will return on Monday, Jan. 3. However, as always, we'll update our blog as news warrants


[ Parent ]
Someone please tell Charlie Cook
That you can't put American Indian reservations into multiple congressional districts in Arizona. From a community of interest POV both maps are dreadful. A district stretching from Fountain Hills to Cochise County?!? Please. And putting Mohave County into the 1st? Vaguely possible I guess, and Paul Gosar would be extremely pleased, but kind of flies in the face of the point of the 1st when it was drawn in 2001 and looks really ridiculously obviously partisan.

Overall, all the maps they drew were interesting, but I think we've seen much more realistic maps in our diary section and elsewhere. Kind of makes me wonder how well the Report understands the core constituencies of the states the analyze.  

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


Reverse that
It's not reservations into multiple districts, it's multiple reservations into the same district. It looks nice and compact but the Hopi would not be amused.

32, M, MI-6, Iconoclastic Leftist

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Nope, it's both
Yes, they can't have the Hopi and Navajo in the same district, but that's by request of the tribe. By statue (and by common sense) you cannot have the Tohono O'Odham and Gila River reservations in three (!) separate congressional districts as they suggest. It's an easy problem to fix, but it also suggests a very poor understanding of the state about which they're trying to prognosticate.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
I like the analysis on NC
According to them, they can only safely shore up Ellmers [glue] and hurt Kissell enough to make him an easy target, and make the new district Republican.  But then they can't really do much else to the other Dems.  If they tried to do it to McIntyre, they accidentally shore up Kissell and if they try to deflate Schuler, McHenry could object to having a Dem stronghold thrown into his district.  And McHenry is the only district bordering Schuler's so they can't do anything creative.  I'm sure they also don't want to take out Republican areas from Foxx because the only reason why she can win the district she's in already is its R+16 make-up and making it R+10 or less puts her at risk (Foxx is considered an embarrassment by a lot of her constituents from some locals I heard from, but the district is too Republican for her to lose right now).

I also hope that SC's new district is a VRA one as well.  It's either that or they try to shove more AA communities into Clyburn's and get sued for overpacking.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
From a geography and travel perspective, Mohave fits better in AZ-01
In Cook's map, it's fairly easy for a Flagstaff-based politician like Gosar or Kirkpatrick to get from one end of the district to the other, using I-40 and I-17.  The current map forces Franks to make the long haul from the Phoenix suburbs to Kingman

Also, that little stretch of I-15 in the northwest corner is just cruel.  

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
There is that
But the commission has to take a serious look at communities of interest, and I don't think Mohave Co. makes a lot of sense with AZ-01. It's older, much whiter, much less Catholic/Mormon and more urban than the current AZ-01, and its residents have much stronger shared interests with the residents of Sun City and probably even with the residents of a Phoenix exburb like Surprise than with the residents of Flagstaff, Show Low or the Navajo Reservation. The counterargument can be made that the Prescott area helps link Mohave County into the rest of the district, but that says at least as much about the arguments for removing the Prescott area from the district as it does about arguments for adding Mohave Co.

And the I-15 sliver is rather silly. The few people who live up in those parts probably feel more like Utahans than Arizonans.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
Yeah, Utah should really just annex it!
And thanks for the local knowledge on Mohave. I assumed all big Northern AZ counties were created equal, but after looking at the demographics and it does seem to be the odd man out of that region.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
there have to be at least two districts in N. AZ
   or else the Hopis would be stuck in the same district as the Navajo. Those two nations don't like each other very well and their political interests are opposite. The Hopi Tribe has less than 10% of the population of the Navajo Nation so they would be screwed if they had the same congresscritter as the Navajo. That is a reality of AZ political geography.  

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28

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Family Research Council is going after Snowe.
Her crime is +gasps+ supporting repeal of DADT.
http://advocate.com/News/Daily...

Council head Tony Perkins writes in a letter to members, "In less than two years, the liberal 'Republican' will have to answer for her record of extremism, which now includes jeopardizing national security in order to use the military to advance the Left's radical social agenda. Attempting to explain her turncoat maneuver, Snowe said she arrived at her decision after 'careful analysis' (which, considering how her state just voted to protect marriage, probably wasn't as careful as it should have been). Still, her announcement is one of the final pieces to the repeal puzzle for liberals, who may have cracked the 60 votes they need to put this gift under the tree for the 3% of America who lobbied for it."

Wow, what a dick. <<

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


He might as well just yell, "I hate gay people" at the top of his lungs
And he fudged up his numbers...3% seems kind of arbitrary. Pretty sure recent polling put the number at 77%. But if he wants to hand us a senate seat on a silver platter, he's more than welcome to.

19, male, Dem, CT-04 (home) PA-02 (college and registered)

[ Parent ]
I don't think
He tries to hide his distaste for gays.  

[ Parent ]
I won't try to hide my distaste for Tony Perkins
Fuck him.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Was
he the one who said that gay people should be put in jail on hardball? Or was that another idiot.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Hopefully another idiot
Tony Perkins makes Louisiana look bad.  

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I mostly lurk here
I am a pretty committed SSP lurker and I would just like to say what a pleasure it is to have you here, GOPVOTER.  When your site kicks off, I will lurk there every morning also.

26, D, MO-05, Hispanic

[ Parent ]
Um, there are bigger blemishes on Louisiana
David Duke, for example. That said, Tony Perkins is an a-hole of the highest order.  

But try being from the same state as Fred Phelps, the crazy guy who protests everything from military funerals to birthday parties with the "God Hates Fags" signs.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Or being from the same state as FreeRepublic. *covers face*


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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
John Edwards
Probably could have redeemed himself in the eyes of all of America if he had walked up to Phelps during Elizabeth's funeral and punched him in the face.  

[ Parent ]
Heh.
It'd work for me.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Oh brother
Who gives a shit who lobbied for it when more than two thirds of the nation support it. Having said that I hope he is successful for obvious reasons.

[ Parent ]
Perkins pisses me off
Then again, I'm sure anybody who heads the FRC will get on my nerves.  

[ Parent ]
Tony Perkins is walking a fine line by delving into this
A single generic Tea Party candidate could perhaps defeat Snowe, but a religious right Republican certainly can't in a state like Maine. Of course, should both a Tea Partier and religious right-winger enter, Snowe can easily eek out victory in a three-way.

For daily political commentary, visit me at http://polibeast.blogspot.com/ and http://twitter.com/polibeast

[ Parent ]
Not if said Teabagger
Is Andrew Ian Dodge, who even Erick Erickson said he would support Snowe against. Snowe's best hope is no challenge at all. Her next best hope is Ian Dodge as her sole serious opponent. If she has two serious opponents, and one is Dodge, the other would consolidate all of the anti-Snowe vote.  

[ Parent ]
Anyone who's surprised Snowe supports
the right for openly gay men and women to serve in the military hasn't paid any attention to her record.

I still think that, regardless of the new Governor's endorsement, she would have the best chance to win reelection if she ran as an Independent.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
AZ-Sen
I think ya'll mean the state GOP chair is saying he is not likely to run again.  

CA-06
 Is going to have an all out fight, that's for sure. As a resident there, I am sad Woolsey is leaving but I really hope Huffman wins the primary. He is termed out in 2012 in his state assembly district and he is a fantastic fit for the district. While Woolsey was more of a labor person, Huffman is a big environmentalist which fits really well with the 6th because we have alot of environmentalists here. I have met him a few times and he is impressive. He even gets his hair cut at my haircut place.  

for more election analysis, visit  http://frogandturtle.blogspot....




17, CA-06,  


Do you think
CA-06 will change much after redistricting? It seems to be boxed into a geographic corner regardless of what the commission wants to do with that part of California.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
I do not think
 It will change much as long as they stick to the "communities of interest" part. It is possible the comission might send Pelosi's district into Marin but I think Marin will stay with Sonoma County. Hopefully, they will NOT send the district across the Richmond San Rafael Bridge but I think we're fine because San Rafael and Richmond are pretty different.  

for more election analysis, visit  http://frogandturtle.blogspot....




17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
Pelosi's district is already smaller than the city of San Francisco
It would need to expand by quite a lot for the commission to choose to draw it over the bridge as well.  Especially because Daly City and South San Francisco would still be more obvious choices than Marin would be.

28, gay guy, Democrat, CA-08

[ Parent ]
CA06
Ive been looking at Daves tool, and I think there are two ways to deal with CA06

1) CA01 create a North Coast District from Marin to Del Norte, with just enough of Sonoma to make up the population.  CA06 The balance of Sonoma with Napa with some from Solano and maybe Contra Costa

2) The other option is to expand the current CA06 further into Sonoma County to make up the shortfall.

Either way, both districts would be super safe D.

The problem with option number one is Mike Thompson, who would live in the new CA06, with substantially less than half his old district.  And, of course, if Woolsley does not retire, they both would be in the new CA06.

The first option would preserve the longstanding North Coast district, and prevent it being further sucked into the Sacramento Valley, as it presently is in the process.  

Joe Cooper


[ Parent ]
Seeing a
 North Coast district is definitely a strong possibility with Santa Rosa joining a district with Napa and Yolo Counties. Hopefully, the district just takes in the eastern part of Sonoma County.  

for more election analysis, visit  http://frogandturtle.blogspot....




17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
No Bridges
I'm fairly certain that the commission won't use bridges unless they're forced to (that means the end of Mark Leno's Senate district). In fact, you heard it here first, my guess would be that their districts will start at the Golden Gate Bridge and go north and south. It's the most unambiguous dividing line possible.

32, M, MI-6, Iconoclastic Leftist

[ Parent ]
An alot of environmentalists would be an interesting beast
http://hyperboleandahalf.blogs...

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

[ Parent ]
All fight in this district
will begin and end in Democratic party. So, it's a "yawn" from my point of view. All candidates will try to "outliberal" each other...)))

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I was just up in Sonoma County
 In the northern part of the district and the people there seem more moderate than liberal (although they mostly vote Democratic.) You could try to win by appealing to them but running to the left in this district is still a bad idea. In 2006, Joe Nation primaried Woolsey and ran to the right of her. I saw lots of signs for him in Sonoma County but Woolsey ended up winning 66%-34%. I think the decisive issue was Iraq because it was so big back then and Woolsey was campaigning really hard on that issue.  

for more election analysis, visit  http://frogandturtle.blogspot....




17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
My few thoughts
TN-Sen: That got a big cringe.  It's December 17th 2010, and.......  There is plenty of time for a tea party challenge.

CA-6: The moment Woolsey is no longer a Congresswoman will be the moment I do a shot of expensive tequila.  Cheers to her and her career!

Redistricting: thank you!  Absolutely no reason to destroy IL-17.  Hare seemed, in hindsight, a weak incumbent and that's that.

Going to read that NPL article now.  With being a DFLer, they are the only ones left to relate to!


Andrew and Tequila
Is there a time you do not have a bottle of tequila nearby? It seems to be referenced a lot.

We "love" you Andrew, and we're concerned ;-)

Also, I'm looking to my right at my liquor shelf at an unopened bottle of Cuervo and "Azteca"

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


[ Parent ]
As soon as I saw the tequila
I knew whose post it was with out even looking :D

[ Parent ]
I respect anyone who can handle tequila
That stuff can make people crazy.

I assume this wouldn't be a shot celebrating Woolsey's departure, right? She seems well-liked by the liberal base.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
My first shot of Tequila was
Jose Cuervo Gold.  Mixed in a shot glass with ginger ale, top of glass covered with hand, hammered once against the counter to max it fizz up, and then drunk.  That was a send-off to my poor cat when she passed away in early October. :(

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I tried it once, on Cinco de Mayo
Took me until about Ocho de Mayo to recover. I guess some people just aren't cut out for the Cuervo.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
It also depends on the quality.
The more expensive stuff is less likely to make you feel lousy.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
ha, you're 19
You have many years to master not getting a hang over.  

[ Parent ]
You are
19. Geez, I feel as if I should say something. But alas I did much worse than tequila when I was your age. Well here, this actually helps me somewhat:
http://www.oprah.com/health/Ha...
I love Dr. Oz.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Haha
I'm actually not much of a drinker at all! But yeah, Dr. Oz is pretty cool.  

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
I've also heard that drinking water helps.
In Korea they have this medicine for hangovers too. I've been told that Koreans know their stuff when it comes to battling hangovers. So I guess, if you have a Korean friend, ask them to bring back some of that next time they go to Korea. :P

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Oh god!
I know what your talking about, but I wouldn't call it a medicine. My friend made it once (She's half Korean) it was this really disgusting soup. I'd rather have a hangover.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Oh actually
I was thinking of this little pill. But I guess Koreans really do know how to deal with hangovers if they have multiple tools at their disposal.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
I would have rather had the pill!
Bitch swore by it! :)

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Haejangguk
Search results

I like it, and I have never had a bad hangover; I just eat it sober.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Cuervo?
I'd make the argument that you've never had a shot of tequila.

Order a Don Julio Reposado or a Corralejo Reposado and come tell us how it went.   ;-)

28, gay guy, Democrat, CA-08


[ Parent ]
Eh, some times I take myself up on my tequila offer
Sometimes I'm just using it as a figure of speech.  

Like I can even afford expensive tequila!  My roommate was the one who finally told me, Andrew, Matador is bullshit.


[ Parent ]
Hare
The problem is, he has expressed interest in running for his old seat, hasn't he? And if he wins the primary, we could hear all kinds of bad jokes about the Hare and the Tortoise who defeated him...

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
The story of the NPL
That article on the NPL was really interesting, and it was serendipitous too, because I just spent a digressive night reading up about the Non-Partisan League when I first heard of them a month or so ago.

Actually, I submitted this article on Reddit, and in the comments section there I went on a bit of a ramble about the other stuff I'd read about the NPL tradition in N-Dakota last month. I thought I'd post the same comment here, because I'm guessing that if there's any place where people might know enough to set me right on some of these things, or add interesting tidbits, it would be here!

Here it is:

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23 hours ago[-]
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I hadn't heard of [the NPL] until a month or two ago either, when I came across a mention of it somewhere and started reading up. Fascinating story, with more twists and turns than this short article lets on to.

From what I picked up browsing and reading at the time, the NPL started off as a socialist movement by another name, as this article mentions too (the tragic story of NPL founder Arthur Townley, namechecked in the article, is in itself worthy of a novel). The difference is that it mainstreamed socialist-like ideas and rhetorics into run-of-the-mill, by European standards -- but rare by US standards -- social-democratic type politics, while retaining a distinct rebellious character.

They got into power suddenly and overwhelmingly, right after WW1, but soon collapsed under their own inexperience and bitter opposition - that part is mentioned in the article too, the recall elections. But the NPL survived, and with it a for US political conventions unusual openness to planned and state-owned economic elements.

The article mentions that it became a movement for Sen. Langer, who in turn is a fascinating and ambivalent figure with a long career spanning from the twenties to the fifties. Langer kept up leftist-sounding populist rhetorics on economic policy and an openness for statist policy, but temperamentally and culturally tacked sharply to the right over time.

His populist eviscerations of the economic and political elites manifested itself also as a deep distrust of the coastal elites in New York, Washington DC and Hollywood. At some point, from what I remember reading, the NPL/Langer axis in Dakota ended up bordering on the political realm of Father Coughlin, the crypto-fascist priest who became, for a while in the thirties, wildly popular by combining a populist defense of the poor against the rich with virulent anti-semitism.

Moving on from there, I suppose it doesn't come wholly as a surprise that by the end of WW2, when Cold War paranoia erupted, Langer became a strident supporter of Joe McCarthy's witchhunt for crypto-communist eggheads in DC and Hollywood.

At first blush, the transformation, over thirty-odd years, of a politician and his political umfeld from semi-socialist to red-baiting seems a wild stretch. But reading about it reminded me of what I'd once read about Joe McCarthy's own, nearby state of Wisconsin.

Wisconsin was the heartland of support for the decidedly left-wing progressives of the 1920s, the homestate of local political fixture "Fightin' Bob LaFollette". Hell, Milwaukee had a Socialist mayor until the fourties or fifties. LaFollette's presidential candidacy in 1924, supported by a coalition of socialists, farmer movements and former supporters of Teddy Roosevelt, had attracted widespread support across much of the West and Upper Midwest.

From there to the immense popularity of Joe McCarthy in Bob's state 25 years later seemed like an even bigger paradox than what I was now reading about Langer. But I did once read about McCarthy being boisterously praised by some of the same voters who had long supported LaFollette - because they were both seen as populist fighters for the common man who were not afraid to stick it to the treacherous, moneyed, powerful elites on the coasts.

That whole story, coming several decades before Nixon's race-tinged strategies that are more commonly associated with the GOP's conquest of formerly Democratic heartlands, is really kind of an intriguing foreshadowing of how the right won over some of the poorest, heartland states of the US. What's the Matter with Kansas and all that. Did you know that when famed/notorious Socialist leader Eugene Debs made his most successful run for the US presidency, back in 1912, the single state he easily did best in was ... no, not New York ... Oklahoma?

Anyway, this is all from the top of my head, so apologies for any misrepresentations that may have slipped in. But fascinating stuff, definitely - especially as the NPL may have been something specific to the Dakotas, but the more widely spread Farm-Labor tradition in the Upper Midwest and Western states bordering Canada raises some of the same history.

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38, Male, SP, NL / LMP, HU


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also see CCF (Canada)
primarily in neighboring provinces.

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this is mainly just in the realm of WTFitude, but
John Bolton (former UN ambassador and lover of the ridiculous mustache)is considering a presidential run.  

http://www.politico.com/news/s...

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Vote
Bolton if you want World War Three to happen in your lifetime! McCain can sing his "Bomb bomb Iran" tune at Bolton's campaign rallies.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Boy, I would love to see that
But then again, ever since at least Reagan, Democrats have hoped the extremist won the Republican nomination because he would be easy to beat in the general election, and it often hasn't worked out that way, to the World's detriment. So I think I'd rather see a reasonably sane Republican win the nomination, in case they actually have a chance to win the general election.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Ug
This guy is, but most accounts, a total assh***.  Let him run and embarrass himself.  I suppose the people who drooled over lazy Fred Thompson (for reasons I have yet to understand) might freak out over him.

43 - Male - GOP/Libertarian - FL 22

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fred Thompson's appeal
was somewhat similar to wes clark's in 2004 i think.  I was taken in by clark because all of the other guys suuuucked.  I think with thompson he was a blank slate for dissatisfied conservative voters to project their dream candidate on.  he was popular for the same reason that twilight is popular, sad angry partisans dreaming for something they think they want, but can never have.  

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Yeah, exactly
The conservative base--people we now call the Tea Party--saw McCain, Romney, and Giuliani as too moderate, and were distrustful of Huckabee on fiscal issues. The "idea of Thompson"--someone with unquestionable fiscal and social conservative cred--was much more popular than candidate Thompson, who was a flop.

Mike Pence seems to be the guy that is trying to fill that void this year, and he seems like he would be more of a presence on the trail than Thompson.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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I imagine
a lot of Clark's support was specifically related to his military background. He was, after all, basically a Republican/Independent before he decided to run as a Democrat. Of course, from what I remember of his views at the time, they were well within the mainstream of the Democratic party, so it's really a wash.

But anyway, his military background was one reason why I liked him. I mean, 2004 was definitely a security/terrorism election, and everyone knew it would be going in. Who better to handle stuff like that, at least when it comes to perception, than a four-star military general? Every single time he was referred to, it would be as General Clark, as opposed to Congressman Clark.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Hahah, Kyl might retire
I think this could benifit AZ dems.  If he retired, does this make the senate race easier for Gabrielle Giffords.  I would tend to think it does.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

Row to hoe (Re: Baron Hill)
Sorry, it's a pet peeve. You don't hoe roads; hoes are used to make rows, so you can plant rows of a crop in dirt. So it isn't a "tough road to hoe."

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


it's politico
n/t

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Shit like this is why I don't even read Politico
Grijalva's vote total was certified above 50%, but I'm sure the primary source for this article was Wikipedia so you can't expect them to get their facts right or anything.

They correctly note the political incompetence of what's left of the state's Democratic establishment, but they ignore the possibility that Obama for American or even a strong Senate campaign from Giffords or Gordon could come in and repair a lot of the damage. Many of the gains that Repubs have made in the state over the last few years are rooted at least as much in the utter incompetence of AZDemocratic Party, led by Don Bivens (quoted liberally in the article predicting doom and gloom) as they are in tangible political successes by Republicans.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


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I don't know
about the specifics relating to the competence of the Arizona Democratic party, but I definitely agree that reading that article from Politico was frustrating. I was annoyed by it when I read it, and it's nice to see I am not the only one.

But more importantly, the article focuses on the short-term at the expense of the long-term. There's no guarantee that the state will be easy for the Democrats, but there's really no indication it's running in the opposite direction, like Louisiana.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Yeahhh
like, it points out that Hispanic turnout was weak in Arizona in 2010, but there's no reason to assume that will be the case in 2012. The biggest problem with Hispanic turnout here this year was that the party did almost no outreach to Hispanics whatsoever. They made no effort to register, organize or galvanize Hispanic communities, which had the effect of flushing several salvageable seats in the legislature down the toilet and putting Grijalva at risk. But what we also know is that the Hispanics who did bother to show up supported Democrats at the highest rates in a generation.

If Obama guns for the state, we already know that Obama for America is really really good at getting Hispanic voters out of the woodwork in states where they have a major field presence. While Democrats absolutely have to do a lot of work in Hispanic communities to get their turnout to where it needs to be, it's rather silly to pretend that AZ Hispanics are just going to be disengaged from the political process for the foreseeable future no matter what happens, which is essentially what the article is assuming.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


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One of the big
reasons why I hope Obama contests states like Texas and Arizona is that his efforts might finally snap some people in those states--more Texas than Arizona, from what I've read--into the mindset that turnout and ground games are key. They can't determine everything, but they can certainly make a difference at the margins.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Virginia
"Committee members decided to create a Web site that displays proposed district maps and allow users to "flag" certain areas on the map and give input on how the lines should be drawn. Legislators could then access the comments and use them in drawing maps."

http://www.loudountimes.com/in...

Joe Cooper


DADT passed
and 8 Republicans painted targets on their backs for voting for the repeal.  The tea party will be after them for their scalp the next primary

Joe Cooper

DADT repeal
So many reason to love it. Number one, it divides tea baggers. They have the one group that says repeal it, we are a fiscal conservative group, not social conservative, and then you have the religious-right teabaggers, and they are fighting!

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Redistricting
I can't believe CA has a shot at 54 seats. It doesn't seem like that long ago that people were talking about it possibly dropping down to 52.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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And
everybody says that this will be the first census ever in which California did not gain a seat. While they are correct on paper, it is apples and oranges to compare the reapportionments up to 1910 with the post-1910 reapportionments because the House was expanded every census until 1910. Had the House been frozen in 1850, California would not have gained seats in 1870 and 1900. http://www.swingstateproject.c...

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Boy, I hope they make the cut!


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So little time, so much to know!


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It'll be interesting to see
what happens with population growth once the economy is stronger and the housing market is more normal in California. From what I gather, it's not that population has declined, just that it hasn't grown as quickly as it has in some other states. If the pace picks up in a few years, both because of immigration from other countries but from other states as well, perhaps it'll be closer to 60 seats.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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