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SSP Daily Digest: 11/11

by: Crisitunity

Thu Nov 11, 2010 at 2:59 PM EST


AK-Sen: Joe Miller made a drive toward the hoop with his attempt to get an injunction to force the state to stop counting write-in ballots that weren't spelled precisely "Lisa Murkowski," but a federal judge stuffed that back in his face late yesterday, denying the immediate injunction and saying there's no risk of irreparable harm; the question, of course, will continue in the courts, just at a more leisurely pace while the count goes on. As for the actual counting (which began yesterday, and went through about 20% of the total), things have seemed to continue on pace for Murkowski to hold on. 89% of the write-ins were unchallenged for Murkowski. 8.5% of the ballots were challenged by Miller observers, but only 1.4% of ballots were successfully challenged. Only 164 of the 19,203 ballots analyzed had write-ins other than Murkowski (including, amusingly, two people who wrote in Joe Miller). Roll Call points out that Murkowski would be on track to win even if Miller's injunction succeeds, considering what a small percentage of ballots are being challenged in the first place, which makes it look like Murkowski's remarkably painstaking campaign of instructing people how to spell her name paid off.

IN-Sen: If there's a Republican who's guilty of the crimes of attempting to legislate and not punching Dems in the groin at every opportunity, it's Richard Lugar. Between that and his age, he's at great risk of a teabagging in 2012 (assuming he doesn't retire), and there's already a line forming of potential primary rivals expressing interest, including state Treasurer Richard Mourdock, state Sen. Mike Delph, and 2010 primary loser Don Bates.

MA-Sen: Here's another piece handicapping potential challengers to Scott Brown; while most of the names are familiar (Mike Capuano, plus assorted other Kennedys and Reps.), it adds one more to the mix that I haven't heard but certainly seems plausible: Gov. Deval Patrick, whose stock has risen lately with a surprisingly comfortable re-election.

VA-Sen: Beltway Kremlinologists are analyzing Jim Webb's pronouncements, notably ambivalent about another Senate run, and announcing that he's sounding even iffier now. While George Allen seems to have the inside track on the GOP nomination, filling a hole left by Webb would be a big question mark for the Dems. Ex-Gov and DNC chair Tim Kaine seems like the likeliest bet, although Tom Perriello also gets a mention.

FL-22: Somehow I suspect someone from GOP leadership paid a visit to Allen West and gave him a refresher course in political discipline, as he abruptly reversed course and decided that his bomb-throwing best friend from the right-wing radio world, Joyce Kaufman, won't be his chief of staff. As we talked about yesterday, the main problem might not be her long track record of outrageous statements but the Ethics and FCC problems that might result if she kept her day job too.

NY-29: While everyone knows that Joe Manchin, Chris Coons, and Mark Kirk are gaining early entry to the Senate for the lame duck session (because of the special election status of their elections), there's also one new House member also getting that privilege. Recall that David Paterson bumped the special election to replace Eric Massa all the way back to November to coincide with the general election, so Tom Reed is set to be sworn in next week too (gaining the seniority edge over his myriad fellow GOP freshmen). (UDPATE: Several folks have pointed out that Marlin Stutzman, just elected to IN-03 in a dual special/general in the wake of Mark Souder's resignation, also gets the same treatment next week.)

DSCC: The quest for a DSCC leader just goes on, as no one wants to be left holding that flaming bag of dog doo. Al Franken took himself officially out of the running. Even Chuck Schumer, who everyone regards as the fallback position if no one else steps up, is still adamant that he isn't going to take it either.

Money: I don't think the Dems could have salvaged the House even if it hadn't been for the huge last-minute outlays of advertising cash from American Crossroads and assorted other 527s, but it certainly helped the GOP run up the score in the close, late-breaking races. At any rate, it's good to see that at least someone on Team Blue is recognizing that we're behind the 8-ball on the dark money front, and at least for the short term it's a can't-beat-'em-join-'em scenario. David Brock from Media Matters is on the case, trying to pull such a mega-527 together to start corralling high-dollar Dem donors.

CO-St. House: This is a pleasant surprise: the Dems may yet be able to hold onto the state House in Colorado (which would let them keep the trifecta, if that happened). The GOP is claiming a 33-32 majority right now, but the race in HD-29, where incumbent Debbie Benefield apparently lost to Robert Ramirez by 208 votes, is at least back on the table with 687 more votes discovered that need to be counted. (Of course, it's worth being skeptical about her taking nearly 2/3s of those outstanding votes.)

NY-St. Sen.: Here's the situation with the Senate in New York, where it may be weeks before we know who's in charge. The GOP has paper-thin leads in two Dem-held seats: Mark Grisanti leads Antoine Thompson in a Buffalo-area seat, while Jack Martins leads Craig Johnson in northern Nassau County. (There's also one other race not yet called, where incumbent Dem Suzi Oppenheimer still leads.) Dems have asked for recounts in both the races where they're trailing, so this is apt to drag on. If the leads hold, the GOP will retake control the Senate 32-30 (assuming Grisanti cooperates with them, which sounds like it may not be a done deal). If Dems turn one around, the clusterfudge gets even nuttier, as it'll be a 31-31 tie, which should let Dem Lt. Gov. Robert Duffy be the tiebreaker but promises endless litigation over just what sort of powers the still ill-defined LG position even has.

WATN?: Three different names from Florida are considering their options today. One is Jim Davis, not the creator of Garfield but rather the five-term ex-Rep. who left the House in 2006 to run for Governor (and lost to Charlie Crist), who's now looking for a political third act as Tampa mayor. The election to replace termed-out Pam Iorio will be held in March. Another name is Rod Smith, a former state Sen. whom you might remember losing the 2006 Dem gube primary to Davis, and losing in 2010 as Alex Sink's running mate; he's set to take over as Dem state party chair, as Karen Thurman looks like she's finally getting put out to pasture after another terrible cycle. Finally, there's Alan Grayson, who's going to need a new job in a few months; he says he's likely to run for something again someday, not wanting to waste the large supporter base online that he built over the last few years.

Polltopia: Scot Reader has a very interesting look at the success rates for internal polls this cycle (of which there were an unprecedented number released). He finds that GOP internal pollsters performed better than Dem internal pollsters this cycle, to the extent that firms like POS were pretty close to the mark. (Although it's worth noting that, while public polling of Senate and Gov races was close to the mark -- with the exception of Nevada, where the internal polling was much closer -- it also tended to underestimate Republican support in the House, in the end.) If his name sounds familiar, he's the guy behind the Polltrack twitter feed (now renamed Pollmaven), which we strongly urge you to follow.

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Still looking through NV-Sen precinct results...
Really interesting.

The results in Clark pretty much confirm what I was suspecting during early voting. We did quite well in The East Side and Henderson, but got shellacked in The Southwest and Northwest.

The rurals were horrible for Dems, but urban turnout was enough to cancel them out.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


don't know the Clark Co geography
which of those areas are older established neighborhoods, and which are newer suburbs/exurbs?  

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It's an interesting mix.
Click here for the Las Vegas Metro precinct map, and click here for the Rural Clark County precinct map. Here's the cheat sheet on Vegas 'hoods:

- The inner "Old Vegas" core of Downtown Las Vegas, The East Side, The West Side (just west of 15, but east of Rainbow, south of Lake Mead, and north of Russell), and North Las Vegas are all firm Democratic strongholds.

- The older exurbs of Boulder City and Mesquite, the rurals, and the very affluent "New Vegas" suburban areas of Summerlin (far west end of Las Vegas) and Anthem (far south end of Henderson) are all firm Republican strongholds.

- In the southeast "New Vegas" part of the valley, the middle class Silverado Ranch area (unincorporated) and western & northern neighborhoods of Green Valley (in Henderson) lean Democratic. The eastern/southeastern Green Valley neighborhoods and MacDonald Ranch communities in Henderson lean Republican.

- Most Northwest and Southwest (VERY) "New Vegas" neighborhoods are quite evenly split. Reid won some precincts along the western stretch of The 215 Beltway by a handful of votes, and Angle won some precincts in those areas by a handful of votes.


Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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That Description....
Thanks for that description, very helpful. Congrats again on your big win and thank you for all of your hard work this year. I have a lot of Republican friends who are dismayed that Reid was able to pull it out. Both of us should have interesting 2012s both for the Presidential ticket and the Senate race.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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Again, they didn't see...
What I saw on the ground, and what Jon Ralston and I and a few others saw in the private polls. Again, public polling was largely crap this cycle.

Btw, here are the Senate results by precinct. I have a feeling this will be a factor in the design of the new Congressional Districts post-Census.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Thanks, but
When linking to a PDF you should warn people.

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still?
We're not on dialup modems anymore, and everyone has Acrobat built-in at this point, right?

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LOL!
Yeah, I guess it's just a custom.

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Sorry. I guess I'm spoiled now...
With my MacBook and high-speed cable internet.

I probably would have been more careful if I were still at my dad's house (where I have to use my just-barely-faster-than-dial-up Sprint card), but I got home yesterday and I've quickly become reacquainted with my home broadband network.  

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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Yes, still
I like to know what I'm getting into!

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who doesn't like scenario spinning?
Given that Leonard Boswell (generally acknowledged to be a weak incumbent) survived a huge Republican wave--and with a bigger winning margin than Bruce Braley!--I've been wondering whether the GOP would have taken IA-03 had they nominated Jim Gibbons instead of Brad Zaun. Gibbons would have had more money (including NRCC help), but he had his own flaws and problems as a candidate. I explored the alternative at Bleeding Heartland.

What do SSPers think? This topic has come up in lots of my conversations with Iowa political junkies during the past week.


First, great read, and YUP
Second, I love how many links you provide in a given post.  Such a stark, stark!!!, contrast to Republican bloggers.

Boswell winning should be a giant red flag to tea-baggers that you cant just win with anyone in a bad cycle, if the Senate races didnt already prove that enough. Boswell would've been a goner with a legit challenger.


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thank you
Sometimes I feel I use too many hyperlinks, but I can't help it--that's my style.

I just never felt the Iowa GOP brought their A-team to this race. It turned out to be more competitive than I expected, but I always thought Boswell would pull it out against either Zaun or Gibbons. If he had been facing Mariannette Miller-Meeks, though, whole different story.


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Agree, but still it's strange, as worse candidates than Zaun...
...beat some Democrats who were much better campaigners than Boswell in plenty of purple districts.

But then, Boswell seems to have run the best campaign of his life, a no-hitter for a guy with a career 4.50 ERA.

Agree, though, that Boswell likely would've beaten Gibbons, too.  That Gibbons got so thoroughly smashed in the primary doesn't say much for him.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Boswell has had tough re-elects several times
2008 was the only year before this one that the Republicans didn't go hard after IA-03. I think the 2002, 2004 and 2006 campaigns battle-hardened him.  

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Do you think
Republicans could try to redistrict Miller-Meeks into Boswell's district? Or even Kim Reynolds?  

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Nonpartisan redistricting in Iowa, that dog won't hunt. n/t


Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Iowa redistricting
I think that the independent commission presents its recommendations to the legislature, who can turn it down and ask for another one.  At some point the legislature starts getting scared of public opinion and accepts a report.

Joe Cooper

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not exactly
The Legislative Service Bureau submits a redistricting plan to the legislature, which can accept or reject the first two attempts but cannot offer amendments until the third try. If no agreement is reached, the process goes to the courts."

In 2001, the legislature rejected the first map but accepted the second. Some of the reasons are discussed here.


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Wapello County could end up in the new IA-03
not that Republicans would have direct control over it, but it's plausible. This old Bleeding Heartland post looked at three possible new maps for Iowa, and the one labeled "G" would have MMM in Boswell's district.

She might have trouble getting out of a GOP primary, though. At times she has had problems on her right flank. More important, I suspect Tom Latham will end up running in the new IA-03, so the field will be cleared for him.


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I don't think Kim Reynolds
is going to be a GOP nominee for Congress, ever. If things go well in the Branstad administration, she might run for governor in the future, but I doubt the field would clear for her.

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MA-Sen, a free shot for Deval Patrick?
If he doesn't win the primary race, he still has the Governor term to finish out (like Manchin in WV). And since he's not running for reelection, it doesn't really matter how bruising the campaign might become.  

It'd be interesting, given Brown's favorables are higher than Patrick's
I still think the Dems can coalesce around someone stronger, though. What might help Brown, not unlike Romney in '02, is the Dems may carry out a busy, messy, cluttered primary, with the Dem victor heading into the general having won less than 40% of the primary vote.

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[ Parent ]
Brown's favorables are a non-issue, and Patrick's are better than people realize......
Patrick easily would've cleared 50% in a 2-way, I think that's clear given how close he got even in a 3-way.  MA-Gov was almost identical to the 1996 Presidential election, and no one said Clinton was weak that year (although they should have because he underperformed his job approvals by 5-10 points!).

And Patrick's job approvals and favorables actually weren't in Corzine/Strickland territory, they were much better than that for most of the year right through the election.

One thing to remember is that everyone's job approvals and favorables heading into 2012 will depend on what happens the next year, not what's happened in 2009 or 2010.  If the economy looks genuinely better to people, and they're breathing a sigh of relief and feeling better, and there's no other unexpected crisis to drag down morale, then people like Patrick are going to find themselves a lot more popular than they were a year earlier.

It all comes down to public morale.  As morale improves, the beatings will stop!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Plus, ask Joesph Cao what his favorables did for him? n/t


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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Or even Joseph Cao! n/t


Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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It matters for dems
If I remember correctly, Patrick really isn't that popular, and only won this year with 48% of the vore.  That's not a mandate, and I don't want anyone with any sort of baggage to go up against Brown.  If Brown wins in a presidential year, he has this seat for life.

While I'd rather he not run for senate, it would be nice to see an AA in the senate now that there are none after Roland Burris left.

20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)


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agree with maybe 99.9% of all
The United States of America certainly needs an African-American in the US Senate, but for me, it is definitely not Deval Patrick.  I'd die of happiness if Laughtenberg were to retire and it was Cory Booker for 2014.  

Be friends with Christie, get that inside track, be President some day.  Please.


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I just hope Lautenberg, 86, lives to 2014.
He's had a recent bout with cancer, and I don't want Christie to appoint a replacement.

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Actuarial table says 5.18 more years probable
for a 86 year old male.
Hopefully that will happen.
http://www.ssa.gov/OACT/STATS/...

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Gov. Christie is conservative, and brash...
But he's not a complete asshole, and moreover, he understands he has to make nice with the left sometimes in order to stay above water in a blue state like New Jersey. I think he'll probably appoint his friend Mayor Booker to replace Sen. Lautenberg if Lautenberg passes away, just as Gov. Lynch was ready to name a Republican to fill Sen. Gregg's term after Gregg briefly accepted a gig in the Obama administration.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
that depends
I like what Chris Christie is doing for the most part, but if he's running for President, that appointment is probably going to Steve Lonegan.

[ Parent ]
I thought Christie and Lonegan hated each other


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
They do
But if you want to shore up your conservative credentials, and get rid of a thorn in your ass at the same time, Lonegan is the man.

Course, Lonegan has no change in a general election.


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no way...
It would never be Lonegan.  Christie doesn't care about his "conservative credentials" that much.  But it would be even less (than never?) likely to be Democrat.  Not after what he did to the Supreme Court Justice.  95% it would be either Sen. Kean Jr., Kathe Donovan (though now she's County Exec), Sen. Kyrillos (his friend), or Lt. Gov. Guadagno.  

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No way!!!
Cory Booker has work to do in Newark. He is pretty much single handedly turning that city around. Why would Christie want to reverse the progress Newark is making and rob himself of his 1 urban ally in the fight to save Newark by making Cory Booker a Senator?

Sometimes there are things more important than political ambition. Saving Newark is one of them. Cory Booker is needed in Newark.

Besides if there was a vacant Senate seat look for Christie to appoint someone like Tom Kean to it or some outside the mainstream inspirational conservative to it. That's just his style.

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Lautenberg
I can't for the life of me figure out what good the man is as a Senator. The same is true with Menendez.

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Take this for what it is worth,
but this is from his Wikipedia page:

Lautenberg has voted against repealing and restricting the Alternative Minimum Tax and estate tax. Lautenberg voted for the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, which contained $280 billion in tax breaks by expanding the earned income tax credit, child tax credit, home energy credit, and college credit, introducing a homebuyer credit and a credit for workers earning less than $75,000, along with an increased ceiling for the AMT and extended tax credits to companies for renewable energy production, along with a new policy making more companies eligible for a certain tax refund. In 2008 he voted to raise taxes on those earning more than $1,000,000 per year. In 2006 he voted in favor of repealing the Bush tax cut on capital gains. He is a proponent of progressive taxation.

Take a look at the other stuff on the page. Assuming it's a good representation of his ideology, he's a solidly liberal Democrat, especially in contrast to someone like Torricelli, whom he replaced.

How this translates into votes and leadership on the Senate floor, I am not sure. What, exactly, is your complaint there?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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2 things, mainly
1, the Alternative Minimum Tax utterly decimates a lot of upper middle class families here because our state taxes are so high.

2, people always complain that New Jersey is dead last on that federal dollars received vs sent metric. I can only attribute that, at least partially, to the ineffectiveness of these 2.

3, you can combine that with the entire ARC fiasco.


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What could he have done
differently as far as the last one?  

As far as the first two,

1. I am reading you correctly, you're complaining that he voted to kill the AMT? I live in New York, and in one of the particularly high tax areas of New York, so I can understand how you'd be angry at this, but I think that takes a certain amount of guts. It's not as honest as coming out for tax increases, but it's not that different.

2. I don't know what to think about stuff like this. New Jersey is a rich, well educated state. Aside from transportation spending, what else could the money be spent on? There's a reason a state like Mississippi gets a lot. It is certainly irritating to constantly be subsidizing areas of the country that complain about taxes but then gladly suck up federal dollars, but that's part of living in such a state.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
well my view is this
1. The alternative minimum tax needs to die a fiery death. The problem? It tends to slam married blue state (predominantly Republican) voters who make ~$150-300k, and well, nobody seems to give a damn about them even if 9% of NJ taxpayers are hit by the AMT.

For a lot of families around here, the Bush tax cuts lasted about 4 or 5 years before property/state taxes ate the entire thing up.

2. Well, you kind of answered your own question here. I don't quite get how the Feds have money to finance crap like the Big Dig and those Florida high speed rails but not to dig what they call the most important tunnel in the nation.

More than that, its about what Lautenberg says. Every time he opens his mouth or actually writes a piece of legislation, its about something like cigarette package coloration instead of actually important stuff. He just seems utterly disinterested in our fiscal/job/business situation.

Guys like Chuck Schumer, like them or not, are at least attuned with the financial centers of their states.


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I don't
disagree that the tunnel was important, but did Lautenberg oppose it? And if he didn't oppose it, what could have personally done to make sure the money was there? After a certain point, all he has is words. I don't mean to sound like am excusing him. I don't really know about the situation to say anything, but unless he personally opposed it, which given his general stances on everything else doesn't seem likely, or unless he failed to do something that contributed to the problem, I am not sure what else you expect from him.

I agree that Chuck Schumer is in touch with his state, but that always doesn't work out to our benefit. I wonder how likely it is that he'd vote for a financial transaction tax, for instance, even though the economic merits of it are solid.

I'd probably agree with you as far as the AMT is concerned. It's not that I necessarily think that collecting such revenue is wrong, but it seems like a pretty clumsy way to do it.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Well thats my question
How is it that Florida can secure funding for less important projects, but 2 Democratic Senators from New Jersey can't secure adequate funding for an ARC tunnel to a state that is already perennially shortchanged?

New Jersey's money in/tax out ratio has plummeted since the early/mid 1990s.

I don't know what he can specifically do, as I don't know the specific mechanics of how this type of thing works. All I do know is that Bill Nelson in Florida somehow succeeds and the guys in New Jersey don't.

Talk is both cheap and useless, imo.


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basically
This quote sums up my issue with these 2 guys.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.s...

"If you're a Democrat in New Jersey, you've got to be jubilant that Bob Menendez is going to come back and focus on New Jersey," said Democratic lobbyist Kevin Hagan, who was a top political counselor to Gov. Jim McGreevey.

What exactly has he been doing for 5 years?


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he got elected
And given what was happening with Torricelli, we needed someone who would surely win.

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true enough
Both those guys, imo, are lucky they were not up for re-election in 2010.

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So,
is the federal judge named Tayshaun?

Anyway, Deval just beat a pretty solid GOP challenger, so he seems like a logical choice. I also think, though, Capuano would beat Brown and that they should dismantle his district to make everyone else even safer.

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan


FL-22: The Reason why Kaufmann was dropped?
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

RW radio talkers need to watch what they say.  There are nuts out there that listen to them who would actually go out there and do something criminal.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Virginia
Tim Kaine would be a horrible candidate. He left office unpopular due to the economy ripping holes in the state budget and the fact that he was moonlighting as DNC chair. Perriello, despite being a one-term Congressman coming off a loss, would be a better candidate. Either way, if Allen runs and Webb doesn't, I don't see the Dems holding the seat, considering how short voters' memories are these days.

IF Obama wins VA, Periello can win
If Obama is failing in VA, Periello likely fails too. Periello proved he can compete in the rural areas, and he should over perform in the urban areas (2, 8, 10, 11, etc).

Kaine is D.O.A. Left unpopular.

26, Male, Democrat, TX-26


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In general, I agree, though it also depends on who the GOP Prez nominee is
If Sarah Palin's the nominee and she garners 43% in Virginia, I don't expect George Allen to net the same 43%. I still think Allen begins with a floor in the high-40s, but if Obama can again carry the state by 5 or more, he can probably drag the Democrat, whether it be Webb or Periello, across the finish line. As it currently stands, though, I don't think Palin wins the GOP nod, I think Virginia will be a legit dead heat (meaning NC's a goner), and Allen will probably win by 4-5 points against whomever.

Tim Kaine would be a dreadful nominee, though. I'd rather see Terry McAuliffe run.

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[ Parent ]
T-Mac
Is running for Gov again. It would be a much easier race for him than the Sen race.  

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Really?
It's not like the GOP has an empty bench in Virginia. Is T-Mac that sure he can beat whoever the GOP puts up in 2013 for Governor?

OTOH, Allen already has baggage and is beatable. I'm just wondering aloud why he'd turn down a good chance of getting into The Senate. (I know he and Obama may not be the best of friends, but I'm sure he'd rather see a Dem win VA-Sen than deal with Senator George Allen again.)

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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It seems like he has
Been preparing to run again since McDonnell was elected. Its easier to win a state race than a federal one when the state is not friendly to your party. Allen does have baggage, but, in a bad Rep year, he barely lost after a huge gaffe. He is probably a lot more threatening than Bolling or Cuccinelli after one of them emerges from a nasty primary.  

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I don't get the Kaine hate, and I don't think some people's impressions here are accurate......
Kaine was never unpopular.  I linked below to his job approval polling from Pollster, and it only confirms my personal memory that Virginians were fine with Kaine.  He didn't try to raise taxes, he cut spending as required to balance the budget which the state constitution requires, his decisions fit the state's center-right druthers.

There has never been any anti-Kaine chatter in the state, and in fact Kaine's job approval held up uncommonly well in the midst of the bad recession.  He's never been inspiring or had a personal following, but he's never been disliked outside the hardcore GOP base.

Some liberal bloggers here haven't liked him, but frankly they're not representative, and Ben Tribbett in particular is just weird in his deep personal resentments against certain Democratic elected officials who he targets for his wrath.

If Virginia allowed Governors to run for reelection, I'm quite confident Kaine would've beaten McDonnell, if McDonnell even ran against him.  It wouldn't have been a blowout, but Kaine finished up with good job approvals.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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PPP
Did show Kaine would have trailed McDonnell.  

[ Parent ]
true but
it's not a fair comparison.  mcdonnell was actively campaigning while kaine was not, that could easily be worth a few points.  further, swing voters who were angry or strongly against deeds may have solidified their republican support in that election, skewing them against any democrat.  thus, if kaine and McD actually ran, it could have been a far different election.

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[ Parent ]
Yup, doug is right, that counterfactual wasn't accurate......
As Chuck Todd always correctly says, candidates and campaigns matter, and it pretty significantly affects voter opinion if one tested candidate is a candidate running a campaign, and the other is not a candidate and not campaigning!

And yeah, smart point that so close to election day, voters are even more influenced by the state of actual events in their perceptions.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I can't agree with Kaine topping McDonnell
Not in 09' and not with Kaine doing the weird Gilmoreish DNC Chairman job.

Kaine beat Kilgore by 6% by carrying Fairfax county with 24% spread!
Kaine also carried Virginia Beach and Chesapeake City vs Kilgore.

No way he could have repeated that vs McDonnell who highlighted his Fairfax roots and is connected throughout the Virginia Beach area. Not to mention an energized base.

I don't think Kaine would have had much to run on. Not that this was really his fault. The GOP house of delegates wasn't going to give him a major success after they "helped" Warner.  


[ Parent ]
Why would Virginia being a dead heat
mean that North Carolina is gone? For one thing, while I'm having a helluva time finding the information, the exit polling was supposedly off on black turnout in the state. If blacks make up 26 percent of the registered electorate, but only made up 19 percent of the voting pool on election day, it seems like Obama could improve on his North Carolina numbers if he did nothing but registered more black voters and got them to the polls.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Obama isn't going to have NC to himself
In 2008 McCain effectively ceded IN and NC with nowhere near the effort the Democrats put into those states.  He knew if he had to shore up IN and NC he was going to lose anyway.

You can bet that the Republicans aren't going to make that mistake again.

If Obama is 6 or 7 points ahead nationally - then he'll probably take NC again.  Otherwise, the state is going to lean R in a closer national contest.


[ Parent ]
Maybe.
I don't know the extent of the McCain campaign's involvement on the ground, but he did advertise there, although it was late in the game when he did so.

I could see the state being Lean R in a national contest, but there's a considerable block of black voters in the state, just as there is in Virginia, with even more who could be registered. That fact alone makes it different than, say, Ohio or Florida. Assuming there isn't an absolute collapse in white support to the point that he's getting 10 percent of that vote, I almost want to say he's the slight favorite in the state.

You make a good point that the Republicans will certainly up their efforts in the state, but the Democrats can easily do the same. And if Obama goes into the 2012 election with the same mindset that he had in 2008, I suspect he'll try to put Georgia and South Carolina into play as well. Those are certainly harder to peel off than Virginia or North Carolina, but both have a lot of black voters, and South Carolina is probably pretty cheap for a presidential campaign. Are the Republicans really prepared to launch extensive voter registration drives in these states?

Essentially, he raised the Republicans in 2008, they will raise in heading into 2012, and then he'll raise right back. I obviously don't know exactly how strong his fund raising will be from small donors, but his list is at least two million names deep. It could grow even larger still.  Nothing but the candidate himself will prevent the Republicans from doing something similar, of course, but he's already got a big head start. He could get $10 from just about half of his e-mail list in just one day to try to outspend the Republicans at every turn. For all intents and purposes, his fund raising potential is limitless--not in the sense of anything being possible, but in the sense of him having his donors only give about half of their maximum contribution but still giving him more money than he could ever possibly use.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
You're mixing up the #s
the 26/19 thing you're thinking of is in 2004, when exit polls showed black turnout at 26% but it was actually 19%. In 2008 I think black turnout was about 22% or so?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Oh, you might be right.
I went back and looked at the post where DGM responded to me, and it looks like I did mix up what he said. That is, if he's right with the numbers. I don't see a reason to really doubt him, but it's hard to be sure of any of this because a lot of states don't provide detailed statistics and the ones that do don't make them easy to find. That's why I keep using exit polls when I try to describe this stuff.

Suffice it to say that it looks like blacks could make up a larger portion of the electorate in 2012 than they did in 2008, if the Obama campaign focuses on registration and turn out. The same could be said about other groups as well. The Republicans will certainly be able to do this as well, but my guess is that because the state wasn't contested nearly as heavily as it was 2008 as in previous elections, there's still a lot of untapped potential.



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Perriello
In 2006, Webb lost VA-05 to Allen, 53.79% to 45.15%, but of course still won the state. This year Perriello lost it 50.81% to 46.98%. So it could be doable.

[ Parent ]
Perriello could make a race of it
Based on his 2010 House numbers he lost by 3.7% versus 10.7% for Nye who was in a more Democratic district and who had a much more conservative voting record.  

Go for it Tom, be the next Wellstone.  The only real requirement to be "that guy" is the balls or ovaries to make it happen.


[ Parent ]
VA
I've always thought that even if Webb retires that Perriello's best bet would be to run for Attorney General in 2013 as he'd only be 39 then. I can imagine that if Webb does step down there will be a considerable draft Perriello effort. The Democratic bench is incredibly weak. While the Party had some nice statewide wins we haven't developed our bench as we can see now. You nailed Kaine's issue and Connolly wouldn't be a good statewide candidate. If Webb retired we'd likely be looking at a state Senator/Delegate, a self-financed candidate, or someone that comes from "nowhere". I really do hope that Webb runs again. A Presidential ticket turnout would greatly help him and he would have Obama to run to the GOTV operation.

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
VA-Sen candidates
We can go back to the speculative candidates from '06: Ben Affleck and John Grisham.

[ Parent ]
What about Don Beyer?
Former Virginia Lt. Governor, who is currently serving as Ambassador to Switzerland. He was a major donor to Obama, and is a close ally to Mark Warner.

I only bring up his name because I've seen his name being bandied about for Senate in recent years. In '08, in particular, there was a lot of speculation about him running if Mark Warner didn't. And then once Warner did run, there was speculation that if Warner were picked for VP, Beyer could take his place.

He's wealthy and could self-fund, but his last campaign - his '97 gubernatorial bid - ended badly, and he lost by 12 points to Jim Gilmore.


[ Parent ]
I doubt he's planning on returning to politics
Ambassadorships tend to be sinecures for donors and whatnot these days, which suggests to me that Beyer is done seeking elected office.

A couple other possibilities: State Sens. Mark Herring and Chap Petersen. Only downside is they're up for re-election next year.


[ Parent ]
What about
Del. Steve Shannon? I know he got crushed in the AG race last year, but everyone said he was a very good candidate who got dragged down by Deeds. Same thing for the woman who ran against Bolling, who had the best performance of any of the top 3 statewide Dems and was the only one running against an incumbent

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I don't know who "everyone" is, I had the impression Shannon ran a terrible campaign......
My understanding has been Shannon performed poorly, and Wagner did well.  Wagner ended up doing a little better than Shannon, who did a little better than Deeds, but Wagner was the only one challenging an incumbent, and Bolling was uncontroversial, nothing really to attack.

Shannon had a clear field and had tons more money than Cuccinelli, but I never saw a clear message, and he never established a field program that I could see.

I don't want Shannon running statewide again.

You just never know what you get with ambitious state legislators.  Some of them know what they're doing, but others don't have the skill to match their ambition.  McDonnell always was in the former category, Shannon I think the latter.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Totally agree with assessment of Shannon
I'm from Vienna where Shannon is pretty beloved but outside of the town limits I don't understand why anyone would be excited by him. He was humilated in the debate, blownout in swing areas of the state, and had barely any field presence even in Vienna! Seriously I never saw a volunteer in my neighborhood but saw half a dozen GOP ones.

The guy got in during a good year into a seat that is shading blue. Not indicative of a really skilled politician.  

I wonder how much of Wagners better performance was due to her own skill or to the the possability that Cooch and McDonnell kind of breathed in all the air in the room and Boiling was caught in the middle. You had "moderate" McDonell and then conservative activist Cuccinelli, and finally boring establishment Boiling. Boling had the least clear appeal and therefore would underperform vs any candidate.    


[ Parent ]
Johnny, you're totally wrong about Kaine's job approval......
Look at Pollster.com:

There was one poll that showed Kaine underwater, and that was a SUSA poll that showed a reversed above-water result in a subsequent poll.  Even Rasmussen had Kaine with strong approvals just before the 2009 election, and WaPo which I regard as the best pollster for DC/VA/MD had him a very strong 58-38 at the same time.

Kaine will remain well-liked later, if anything whatever blame for the economy people gave him will abate with time.

He's a good campaigner who has won tough statewide races multiple times.  He's the best we could do, and he can beat Allen.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Ugh, forgot the link......
Pollster.com on Kaine:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Kaine could beat Allen
Allen would top out in Fairfax at like 45%. He'd probably be stuck at 40%. I cannot imagine why Allen is considered a good candidate. The GOP has like 5 guys who would make stronger federal candidates. If the GOP would choose Cantor or Tom Davis I'd bet on them beating Kaine.  

[ Parent ]
Davis
Is arguably the GOP's best candidate being that he can easily raise money and has high name recognition in NoVa. However, luckily for us he would never survive a GOP primary.

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
Actually in a primary he'd have a shot
because of his NOVA base and its high turnout. He is doomed if the choice is done by convention like in 2008.  

[ Parent ]
True
Forgot to clarify that. In a convention his nomination is dead on arrival. In a primary I still think his path would be strongly uphill especially with all of the 3rd Party Tea Party type organizations that could prop up a conservative challenger that would neutralize his likely money advantage.

I get the feeling that he is happy being a priced lobbyist and I don't see him making another run for office.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


[ Parent ]
Nope
Allen wants to be back in the senate.

Former Virginia Sen. George Allen is taking increasingly aggressive steps to lay the groundwork for a 2012 Senate comeback.

POLITICO has learned that Allen, the Republican who was ousted from his seat in 2006 by Democratic Sen. Jim Webb, recently huddled with National Republican Senatorial Committee Chairman John Cornyn to discuss a prospective bid. He is also burnishing his profile through a series of public events, spreading cash through his political action committee and has even launched a Facebook page.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/s...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
Even a facebook page?!?!?!?!
Wow he must mean business!

[ Parent ]
The rumor mill has even suggested Fairfax County Chairman
Might have been why Herrity ran for congress. I guess since he'd represent 1.2 million people Davis wouldn't consider that such a downgrade. That is just a rumor at this point but I feel he is interested in getting back into politics based on his continued involvement in fundraising and local GOP events.  

[ Parent ]
I think there is something else
Kaine just looks like a loser.  He spent the past several months explaining how the Democrats were going to hold on to the House - when every honest person knew it wasn't going to happen.  There's a psychological aspect to that.  People don't like to back losers.

It may be anecdotal, but several of my Democrat friends think that Kaine didn't tend to his office after he went national.  

And look - I can give credit where credit is due.  On the national stage Kaine is no Dean.  And on a statewide level - Kaine is no Warner.  Not even close.

Allen is a flawed candidate.  I don't know if he would beat Kaine - but I know it would be close.  

Periello might be a liberal and he might be too liberal to win statewide in Virginia (or maybe not) - but at least he is earnest and believes what he says.  He believes in the Obama agenda - right or wrong.  Kaine is full of shit.  He knew the Dems were about to get clobbered in the house.  I think that damaged his credibility.


[ Parent ]
So to follow up
If I were a Democrat - I'd want Periello to run for senate.  As least he's the real deal.

[ Parent ]
...what?
he spun things in a positive way for Dems. That's his job. You're basically saying he's full of shit for doing his job.

Btw, "Democrat" is a noun, the adjective is "Democratic."

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
That's
his job. Of course he knew we would lose the House but he couldn't say that. Do you think the RNC Chairman said that in 06? Of course not, it's his job to be optimistic on camera. What is he supposed to say "Sorry we're fucked", no he can not openly give up. He did his job. Now you could argue that some of the blame should go around to him though I don't think so, though it is a valid argument. But his "predicts" do not hurt his credibility.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Of course it was his job
But his original job was to focus on VA.  I've had plenty of people in VA (mostly Democrats) talk about how when Kaine went national the feeling is that he went AWOL.

And yes, obviously he can't say "we're fucked!" - but saying something to the effect of, "It's a challenging environment but we have the better argument and we're working really hard to get our message out to win" - is different than proclaiming in a Baghdad Bob sort of way that the inevitable isn't inevitable.

Democrats won't fault him for it, and certainly if they believe his did a good job at DNC then they should not fault him for it.  But in Virginia, Democrats alone aren't enough to win.  

It's my contention that Independents are going to see him as a) someone who went national and took his eye off the VA ball [this is the big strike] and b) obviously lying through his teeth [tough to quantify - but cuts against him at the margins].  That's not a cause  for rallying to a candidacy.  That doesn't mean he can't win, but he's not as strong as he was in 2005 and Republicans are a lot more energized these days.  Just my two cents.


[ Parent ]
How many
independents do you even think will know that he made that prediction? Out of all the non-issues in the world, that is a pretty big non-issue.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Why is Allen
considered so incredible deadly as a candidate? I get that he's probably not unpopular, but is he really that popular? Sure, Webb only one by a razor thin margin, but that's usually what happens when you knock off incumbents, particularly in states that are changing favorably for one side but aren't there just yet.

Plus, even if Obama doesn't run as strongly in Virginia has he did last time, wouldn't Allen's bizarre fascination with the Confederacy and nooses and everything else be a motivating factor to black voters? I'm not saying that they are one-issue voters, but at the same time, I could see it damaging him quite a bit.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
He's not
but concern trolls like to make him out as some giant.  he's the same guy who couldn't beat Webb, and any gaffe he makes will be more deadly than usual.

Kaine would be a fine candidate against him.


[ Parent ]
I don't really
know about Kaine as a candidate, but it irritates the crap out of me that people are pissing themselves the thought of Allen running. I get that he's not likely to be defeated by 15 points, but as you said, he already lost. And while it's unclear how favorable the climate will be for us, Webb or whomever the Democratic candidate will be will have Obama at the top of the ticket, a state that is, however slowly, turning bluer, and a much cleaner list of names to use in the state for ground game efforts. It might not be particularly easy--it's Virginia, not Vermont, after all--but panicking won't do anyone any favors, except for the Republicans.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
You read my mind......
...it irritates the crap out of me that people are pissing themselves the thought of Allen running.

Me, too!

Allen is no 600-lb. gorilla like everyone makes him out to be!

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Yes! I can out-nerd you!
Rep-elect Martin Stutzman (IN-03), replacing the resigned Mark Souder (IN-a-woman-he-wasn't-married-to), will also be seated immediately.

Ah, good point
I'll add him to the list.

[ Parent ]
it looks like ...
... Congress hasn't been at 435 since the window of 11/6/09 (Bill Owens sworn in to replace McHugh) through 1/3/10 (Wexler resigns).  The Emanuel, Gillibrand and Solis vacancies took a while to fill, then Tauscher resigned.

[ Parent ]
Kirk
And, of course, Mark Kirk will vacate his House seat immediately.

[ Parent ]
well, not until after Thankgsiving
When he can be seated as a Senator.

So, okay: for next week alone, there's 435.  Then 434 from Kirk's resignation through 1/3/11.  Thanks.


[ Parent ]
Right now
There's 433, b/c of vacant seats in NY-29 and IN-03. Stutzman and Reed have not been sworn in yet.  

[ Parent ]
VA-Sen, first order of business for the next DSCC chair (whoever that lucky soul winds up being)
has to be getting Webb to re up.
Beg, flatter, plead, cajole, wine & dine, twist his arm, use Obama, use Bill Clinton, make leadership position promises, whatever...

If Webb announces re-election plans early, might that give Allen second thoughts?


hmmm...
So basically its Webb or bust huh. If Webb is thinking about retirement after one term that tells me he's not into political life especially the talk shop that is the Senate.  

[ Parent ]
I think that Allen is in....
No matter what. I am 98% sure he is in. If Webb is in it probably makes him even more likely to be in. Both legitimately don't really care for each other as there is no love lost between them. While Allen is universally known having a Presidential turnout with Obama at the top of the ticket will help Webb a lot. Probably more then anyone else on the ticket. Bob Casey, Sherrod Brown and Claire McCaskill are politicians who can likely fend for themselves for example. In 2006 the DSCC made a huge investment on behalf of Webb that probably made the difference. Webb isn't a traditional politician in that you can count on him to fundraise, get out the vote, call in favors of people to come so that is where having Obama at the top of the ticket helps him a lot. Obama will bring a lot of AA voters to the table (in 2006 they were about 16% of the votes but they are 21% of the population) which will serve as a proxy for Webb. They get to the polls for Obama and while there they won't be voting for George Allen.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
Virginia
But Obama didn't win Virginia because of the black vote. He won because of independents and if he continues to be underwater with them by 2 to 1 it won't matter he still loses.

[ Parent ]
That's clearly not true
OF COURSE the non-white vote helped Obama win Virginia in '08. Non-whites are over 25% of the population (with AAs at over 20%). Turnout among non-whites was huge. The AA vote, for example, was instrumental in getting Perriello across the finish line in VA-05, as AA voters came out in droves.

You can argue it was a combination of factors, but to dismiss the influence of AAs and non-whites in VA in 2008 isn't especially credible.


[ Parent ]
AA Vote in VA
Kevin I agree with you. While the white independent vote was really important and by no means can he lose much more support there, the AA voters coming out were vital to his win. Just to quantify the difference of AA voters at 15% of the vote (mid-term approximation) total versus 20% of the vote total (Presidential approximation with Obama on the ticket) and assuming they voted Democrat at 90% versus whites voting at 40% this equates to nearly a 2.5% advantage in the vote total for Democrats. In a close election that is obviously huge. While he won by nearly 7% having a surge of African-American voters at the polls  certainly helped play a part of that win and will help Obama/Webb considerably.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
If the exit polls were right, and I suspect they were a bit wrong, then Obama...
...performed 14 points better overall than with white voters.  The exit poll said he got 39% of white voters, but that got him to 53% overall because of his strength and turnout with nonwhite voters.

But I actually suspect the exit poll was wrong on black vote share, which it pegged only at census at 20%; I bet it was a point or two higher than that, given in particular Perriello's win depending on it, and the fact Obama performed no better with white rural voters in Southside or western VA than previous Democratic Presidential nominees.  So if I'm right, that means Obama might have performed a tick or two worse with white voters than exit polls claimed, so the gap between white support and total support would have been even larger.

But either way, yes Obama turnout will matter, this will be a battleground state that Obama targets early and hard.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Totally agree with you...
Which is why I think that whoever the Democrat running against George Allen is they will greatly benefit from Obama's voter targeting. Jim Webb who is not a traditional campaigner such as raising money would be a huge beneficiary of this. Should Webb retire and Kaine decline and it becomes a state Senator or someone like that they will also tremendously benefit. I am thinking that Virginia will likely be a second tier battleground after FL, OH and PA but there will be millions dropped here relentlessly.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
My sense is
that Virginia will be as much a presidential battleground as FL and OH. (PA will be a battleground as always, but it will Lean Dem.) The center-left indies in NoVa and the non-white vote will make Virginia, once again, a key state for Obama. The last two elections in the state have been Republican-friendly, but I think that will subside as the center/center-right starts to feel less threatened as a result of gains in state offices and the House.

[ Parent ]
What about
Connoly? Why is he never mentioned?  

[ Parent ]
He IS mentioned. But he just doesn't seem likely......
He'd be really rolling the dice giving up his House seat after just 2 terms for a gamble at the Senate, especially since he should be pretty safe for reelection in 2012 with Presidential turnout.

Plus Connolly is completely a creature of NoVA, it's not clear he could draw the margins a Democrat needs from the rest of the urban crescent in Greater Richmond and Hampton Roads.  Of course you can point to regional handicaps with almost every prospective candidate on either side of the aisle, but for some those handicaps are a bigger deal than for others.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
IN Governor, Senate
Looks like Hill isn't running for anything in 2012.

"I think it's unlikely that I'll run for an office in 2012," Hill said. "Circumstances can change, but I can't see a scenario that I would be a candidate for an office in 2012."

Oh and check out this:

Although that might be the case, he said he wants to make sure President Barack Obama gets re-elected two years from now.

"I talked to him after the election on Wednesday morning, and he told me that he did not want to lose touch with me and that he wanted to talk to me when he got back from Asia," Hill said. "He's over there now, and when he gets back I'm sure we'll have a conversation, and we'll see what his thoughts are."

Although his plans for his future are still unsure, Hill said he will remain involved in politics. Because politics have consumed the majority of his adult life, he said he cannot imagine not being involved in some way.

Does that or does it not sound like he will be getting a job offer? 50+ incubents lost re-election the President is not going to personally meet with every one is he? This must mean something.

http://www.idsnews.com/news/st...

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


Todd Young!
My god! I don't want to be represented by that man! Ugh...

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Meh…
Could be a lot worse. He is definitely better than Mike Sodrel, that man did not deserve to be in Congress. Or Travis Hankins who is as nutty as Sharon Angle. At least Young has a respectable background and is not as unqualified and stupid as Sodrel.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
My friend ran into him jogging.
My friend was canvassing and had a Baron Hill sticker on. He was a complete dick to her. What can I say. I don't like the man personally.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
He
has always come off as a bit pompous to me. Believe it or not you are not the first person to tell me he was a bit of an ass. Can you tell me the details of this jogging encounter, if not that's fine I understand.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I'm not sure she didn't go into
detail. She just he was a jerk to her and she just kept walking.  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Or Sodrel!
Not clear at all, based on the comment the OP was replying to.

[ Parent ]
Young
nt

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Hill's always seemed to have a good relationship with the President
Going back to the presidential primaries when Hill was a big supporter of his during the primary here. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see him get an administration job, maybe at the USDA or something like that.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Yup
Obama and Hill are friendly from everything I have heard as well. That contributed to his loss, it really did. I was at the state convention in 08 and he addressed district 9 delegates and even though the vast majority of the room where Hillary backers he gave an amazing speech and everyone in the room understood his backing. Hill went all out during the primary. Not just an endorsement, he worked his ass off for Obama, constantly campaigning throughout the district. During the HCR debate he was able to get fellow blue dogs to back the bill and has constantly worked with Obama, I know he has publicly met with him a lot to discuss HCR, cap and trade and other stuff. Heck he even played basketball with him and watched the Colts and Saints. I think Hill will get something.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
This
is nothing short of insane. Seriously I feel childish typing this. What about Chief of Staff? I'm not necessarily saying I would want him to be but could it be a possibility? A centrist friend from middle America. Experienced but doesn't have too much of a Washington stench. People have been talking a lot about picking a transforming figure, I don't think Hill is that but he is out of the box and could earn some cred from the middle and craft a moving towards the center message if that is what Obama is going for. Hill ran on the Obama record, never questioned support of Pelosi and has been a solid D for Obama's term so far. Yet he is a blue dog with some conservative cred and he and Obama are close. He's a long time ally. I did not even know Rahm was close to Obama at all. Just a thought. Not saying whether I think it would be a good idea, but could he possibly be on the shortlist? Could help Obama in IN and if Obama does decent in IN then so does Bayh and maybe Donnelly for Senate.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
While unrealistic, that'd be great
Hill actually does have some of the credentials that would make sense for a CoS, he's a known figure (in Washington), not particularly polarizing, he's got a lot of experience with policy making and good relations with just about every faction of the party.

Unfortunately, I think certain elements of the party base would nevertheless see red as soon as they hear that a Blue Dog (even a party loyalist like Hill) is the pick.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09


[ Parent ]
If not Chief of Staff,
why don't they just create a position for him and maybe for someone like Perriello, too? Why not make them co-heads of some task force designed to highlight areas of the country where spending could very quickly put people to work? You could call this simple cheerleading, as a big part of the job would be create the conditions for more spending, but at the same time, they could specifically be assigned the job of making sure the money was being well spent and everything was going according to plan.

Call that a little pie in the sky, but I've heard worse suggestions.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I was thinking the same
Pete Rouse has been the invisible man, just as expected, since becoming "interim" chief of staff a few weeks ago. The buzz at the time was that Rouse would be around for a while, but he's still considered to be just acting in that capacity. I've been curious as to whether the administration didn't just make noises about Rouse "probably" being kept on in a permanent capacity (without definitively addressing when or whether the "interim" and "acting" qualifiers would be dropped from his title) as so not to have the search for President Obama's next bulldog-in-chief create an unpleasant new narrative just before the midterms.

I agree Rep. Hill is likely to land some sort of administration job, and Obama is way too clever for it to be some throwaway. He worked like hell to flip Indiana in 2008, and he wants to maintain that; he's played up his working friendship with Sen. Lugar a number of times, too, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him capitalizing on the "ally potential" written all over Gov. Daniels in the next year or two.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
All the Obama talk leaves me happy
Wonder why not 2012, though.  Giant Obama grassroots money, giant Evan Bayh grassroots money, what am I missing?  If Lugar retires, go for the Senate you fool!

[ Parent ]
Joe Miller is a disgrace (see picture of a challenged ballot)
Did anybody else see this picture of one of the ballots a Miller observer challenged.

http://community.adn.com/adn/n...

Desperation at its worst.  Perhaps it was challenged because the letters were too "girly"?


Updated with more challenged ballots
4 more pictures of challenged votes are up all of which clearly say "Lisa Murkowski".  Pathetically shocking by the Miller camp, although not unexpected in the least bit.

[ Parent ]
Nate kind of explained the hail mary in his column today...
If they don't challenge 11.some%, then they are conceding.  He said we can expect the challenged ballots to be even more lame in the coming days.

[ Parent ]
NY-St. Sen
"If Dems turn one around, the clusterfudge gets even nuttier, as it'll be a 31-31 tie, which should let Dem Lt. Gov. Robert Duffy be the tiebreaker but promises endless litigation over just what sort of powers recently created and still ill-defined LG position even has."

What does this refer to? The position of Lieutenant Governor of New York was created in 1777  


NY State Senate
I did read a NY Times article the day after the election which stated that LG can only vote on procedural actions, not on legislation.  And, of course, redistricting is legislation.  

Joe Cooper

[ Parent ]
ooh
that's gonna get ugly. How can they decide on a map if there's a tie?

[ Parent ]
Either
1) incumbent protection map or
2) shady back room deals of epic porportion

[ Parent ]
Ugh
NYS State Senate Dems...possibly the dumbest people on earth.
How else do you lose a 70% Obama district (Antoine Thompson)?

If they were smart, they'd just wait out until the invariably better Senate map comes along , retake the Senate, and then do a vicious mid decade redistricting of both congressional and state legislative seats.

They'd be set for life.  But again, they're not that smart nor politically aware.

21,Democrat, NY-02, male


[ Parent ]
Yes!
All they had to do for the last 2 years was be bi-partisan, work with the GOP minority and not make waves.

Instead they let the likes of Pedro Espada and his "amigos" dictate policy while Sampson and Wilson cashed in on crooked deals like the Aqueduct Racino.

They governed so badly they made a lot of NYers long for the good old days of the GOP Bruno run State Senate. Sigh.....


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[ Parent ]
is it because
There used to be an odd number of seats in the SS so there weren't any tiebreaking procedures?

[ Parent ]
Re the "recently created"
It was an error.

[ Parent ]
What
are Webb's approvals like? I really don't buy that he's DOA. I think he'll be in for a fight but I honestly think he'll win.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Back when...
Here's SurveyUSA's track:

http://www.surveyusa.com/clien...

He gets a small bump after the VA Tech tragedy but is in the 40s for most of his term.

When PPP polled it, they put it at 42/40.


[ Parent ]
He may not be DOA yet
But he needs to start raising money damn fast.

[ Parent ]
That, I don't get.
He may not like fund raising, but how are they letting this pass? They can't physically force him to do anything, but why isn't anyone putting the pressure on him to either start fund raising or get out of the race? I guess it's the sort of thing where one or two events with Obama, combined with a plea to some Democratic groups over the Internet, could make up for a lot of lost time, but still, why make it harder than it has to be?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Most VA polls are very old
There have been hardly any polls since the gov race. PPP will have a poll next week.  

[ Parent ]
And PPP has poor job approvals and poor favorables for everyone......
PPP is a chronic outlier when it comes to job approvals and favorables.  I will look at their numbers on those data points anyway, but always with a skeptical eye, and almost always believing the truth is probably better for the individual in question than PPP finds.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Its not a favorability though
Its a Would you vote for Kaine or McDonnell?  

[ Parent ]
Nevermind
Thought you were replying to something else.  

[ Parent ]
Um, actually, your previous comment seemed responsive to mine......
So I don't know what "never mind" means, you seemed to address what I wrote.

And yeah, if it's a horserace poll, then that's more relevant.  I still wouldn't take the result as gospel this early, especially with Democrats still hampered with voters by the recession, but it's something to chew on as a starting point.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I thought
You replied to my post about the McDonnell-Kaine poll PPP did, which has nothing to do with their favorability ratings.  

[ Parent ]
I thought you were referring to a new poll going into the field soon, not a previous one, but...
...then you reminded that this new poll wouldn't test just favorables, but also the horserace itself, which makes sense.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
PPP isn't perfect...
We've talked about it before. Even the best pollsters sometimes have bad days. And (yet again), they were WAY off on the final Nevada results!

Honestly, no pol should rely on public polling when deciding to run for higher office. Seriously, hire a good pollster and get one's own numbers for oneself.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
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[ Parent ]
I think DCCyclone is basing this assertion
on many polls from PPP over a lengthy period - i.e. it's not that they're not perfect, it's that this seems to be a particular quirk in their polling over time.

[ Parent ]
Correct, I'm talking specifically about PPP's job approvals and favorables, not...
...horserace numbers or other results.

PPP just always shows everyone is unpopular, with a few notable exceptions.  And they are an outlier in most cases on those particular data points, showing many elected officials as much more disliked than other pollsters show.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I was making a broader point...
On the flaws of so many public polls these days.

While PPP all in all has a good reputation, they're not perfect. They sometimes get horse race numbers wrong, and they seem to regularly produce outliers in job approval numbers.

And yet again, that's why one can't always rely on public polls to tell the whole story on a campaign. That's why Nate Silver ended up with quite a bit of egg on his face this cycle, and why PPP numbers on Tim Kaine approval/favorability shouldn't be the last word on whether or not he should run for Senate in 2012.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
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[ Parent ]
Webb won't run for reelection...
and if he does he'll lose.

If you are planning to run for reelection in a competitive state like VA that will be heavily contested during Obama's relection and you haven't raised a shitload of money by now, you are done for..period!

Also, Webb has seemed out of place in the Senate. His instinct is more an iconoclastic traditional conservative who hates the partisan pull and tug of modern political warfare. He won by an intsy bit in a perfect storm and he's probably not going to be as lucky next time. I bet he'll throw in the towel by December or after the state of the union at the latest.

The problem now is that the Dem bench is very thin and the first GOP dog who would want this is AG Cucinelli (who is from NoVA) or Randy Forbes (Hampton Roads), either of whom will be very hard to beat w/o a top player on the Dem side.

But even if Obama does carry VA, we'll need some pretty strong coattails or heavy negative dump on the GOP to prevail. The fact that the potential Dem nominee is an unknown doesn't matter, so long as he/she runs a smart campaign and raises mega bucks.

It'll be a shame to piss of this race in a state that is (slowly) trending our way.  

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All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


[ Parent ]
Allen is running
Cuccinelli is going to wait for Governor in 2013. And Randy Forbes? Don't make me laugh. He's a total empty suit who doesn't do anything except blanket Chesapeake with campaign signs every two years. He won't debate his opponents and rarely puts in media appearances.

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That's silly, Webb has plenty of time to raise money if he wants to run for reelection......
He'll raise what he needs to win.

He raised plenty enough to win last time, I don't understand why people are raising issues that were put to rest the last time.

Has George Allen raised anything?  He hasn't filed any papers, and I've heard nothing about him having anything left over from his old account.

It's true Webb might not run again.  But he's actually been a very good party guy, he's been very visible helping Democratic candidates across the state at every level--he's done more than I ever expected he would do when he first got elected.  So I imagine he still could be persuaded to run again.

And if he doesn't, unlike some here, I think someone like Kaine would do just fine as the nominee.  He's won tough races statewide twice and left office well-liked.

I love Perriello as much as anyone, I gave him $500 which is a helluva lot for me, and I'm sad he lost.  But he's clearly weaker than Kaine.  Perriello will be a bit of a lightning rod and let Allen or any other Republican build larger margins downstate, without adding anything for himself since Obama on the ballot will already have maxed out Democratic turnout.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
They really need to
give some of these guys who are on the fence a deadline. What's reasonable? Sure, you could make the argument that candidate doesn't need to be decided until 2012, but why waste time? Why not give these guys--Webb, Ben Nelson, and any others--until, say, July of 2011 to make up their minds? It's not really fair to the party to let them drag this out.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
"no controlling legal authority..."
There's no "they" that can do that anyway, especially in the Democratic party.  
They:  "Decide now"
Nelson:  "No"
They:  "Umm, okay we're going to back someone else"
Nelson:  "OK, good luck trying to primary me.  Even if you win I'll run as an indy anyway (Lieberman/Murkowski)."
They:  "Oh"

There are going to be few times when "they" are going to want to risk taking out an incumbent just because the Senator hasn't decided to run a year before the primary. Like in Nebraska, I guess they could demand that Nelson S or get off the pot, but only if they want to turn a Tossup into a Solid R.  


[ Parent ]
I realize
that there's no actual authority within the party to do much of anything, and that having a conversation where party leaders come across as assholes wouldn't do them any favors, but I do wonder how closely they are monitoring this situation. Are they prepared for a situation where he ends up screwing over the party because he decides not to run at the last minute?

I'd like to think that some of these guys aren't big enough jerks that they wouldn't leave their party with its pants down, but I'll never get anywhere underestimating the arrogance of a politician.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
my guess
Is that's why you need a good DSCC chair.  They should have ALL races mapped out with as many contingency plans as possible.  This way you have a plan of action if ANY of the current Senators or leading candidates drop out, have health problems, get arrested, etc.  You can ask your incumbents if they plan on running, but giving a "now or never" dictate is not going to work.  Just be prepared.  

[ Parent ]
Exactly.
As hapless as the Democrats can sometimes be, I would be surprised to see if they are as hapless as not doing all of the things you just described.

At this point, why not just hire from the outside at the DSCC? Hell, maybe we can get Bill Clinton to take the job. Virtually nobody outside the Beltway gives a crap who does this job. Fund raising ability is important as well, but there are other ways to do make up for it if the person is lacking in that regard. If there's someone who can recruit good candidates in Texas, Tennessee, and Wyoming, just give him or her the job and be done with it. A senator should have first dibs, but since everyone seems to be running away from the responsibility, they can't complain if they don't like the result.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I posted this morning about the Mourdock v. Lugar rumors
Mourdock seems like the most likely candidate, although I hadn't considered the possibility of the idiots making the same mistake they did against Coats and flooding the field with anti-Lugar candidates. I like the idea of the lunatic fringe messing up yet again and making the IN seat competitive for us, but at the same time I can't say I wouldn't be laughing my ass off if Lugar manages to squeak by with 40% of the vote in his primary due to his opponents being dumb.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

I
think you'll see many hoosierdems voting in the Republican primary under such a case. I know I will probably do so. As well many independents. It's so easy to do, this will help Lugar.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
It's truly ridiculous how quickly this has progressed
A week ago the talk on SSP was "Gee, I wonder if these lunatics will try to go after Lugar". Now it's "I wonder if these lunatics are actually going to beat Lugar?". The train does seem to be a-rollin'. Maybe Scotty Rasmussen will have a poll out a week from now showing Lugar below 50 against Mourdock.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
To be fair,
contentious primary challenges seem to be more common now than they were in the past, even for well-entrenched incumbents. And when you have a side like the Republicans that is, for the most part, aligned with an insurgent political force like the Teabaggers, it only makes sense to assume that people will talk about doing it.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I wonder if Grayson
is thinking he'll have a new district to run in that favors him for 2012.  The new FL redistricting law says "No apportionment plan or individual district shall be drawn with the intent to favor or disfavor a political party or an incumbent;", and that's sounds like a done deal for an Orlando based district when paired with compactness and geographical boundary restrictions.

And in order to get that quote, I looked through the FL election results.  Anyone else know that they passed the exact same amendment for state legislature seats?  That should really fuck over the GOPers there as Id think smaller populations means less room to gerrymander.  (Obviously different depending on the district.)


Not really
The legislative seats really are not all that badly gerrymander.  The FL Dem party is just in a mess and they really need to get their crap together if they want to be competitive in the next election.  

43 - Male - GOP/Libertarian - FL 22

[ Parent ]
Thanks for the bucket of cold water


[ Parent ]
it's clearly needed wrt FL
I remember growing up as kid thinking it was some giant urban bastion and translating it to as an equivalent to California.  Wrong!

[ Parent ]
Pah!
Florida has got NOTHING on California!

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[ Parent ]
I actually would not be shocked...
Come 2012, I think we could easily see President Obama win every state he carried in 2008 except for Florida (oh, and North Carolina). Florida Democrats are in disarray, Obama and Secy. Clinton seem to be knuckling down on efforts to chill out U.S. relations with the Netanyahu regime in Israel, and I think it's quite possible they (and Sen. Bill Nelson) are banking on Gov.-elect Scott making an ass of himself and giving the Democratic brand in the Sunshine State a second wind in order to keep that state in their column in 2012.

I think we're seeing Florida move into the South and the South move into safe Republican territory. Meanwhile, Maryland and Delaware cut ties with the South decades ago, and Virginia is on its way (well, sometimes), followed very slowly and fitfully by North Carolina. There could be a few twists left in the story, and with Florida, we never discount the possibility; but Democrats made a poor showing down there this time around, and the state party needs to get its ass into gear if it wants to cast Florida's prodigious number of electoral votes for Team Blue and send Nelson back to the Senate in two years.

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[ Parent ]
Florida's just old.
I'm pretty sure the ship has long sailed on Florida's Southern-ness. There's just been too much migration from Snow Belt states. Florida is just a solidly purple as it has been for the last decade.

Florida is, on the other hand, old -- tied for fifth oldest median population. And there was a huge oldster backlash against ACA. Combine that with an anti-Democratic bias on account of the economy, and you have this year's elections results.

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[ Parent ]
I don't see
why this year's election results have to have anything to do with 2012. Is there some sort of new law that requires results to be averaged that I am not aware of?

Seriously though, there doesn't appear to be any sort of relationship between midterm results and presidential results. It's supposedly easier for get out the vote efforts to if your party is in control, but aside from that, I am not sure what the particular benefit is.

Perhaps the Republicans might have an advantage with seniors, but that is far from clear, especially if Republicans box themselves into a situation where they to go overboard with the entitlement cut rhetoric. Plus, there's likely to be a much stronger presence of blacks and youth voters at the polls in two years.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
You could be right,
although I believe even if he ends up losing the state, it'll be close, unless he suffers a massive loss nationwide. The nice thing is, he doesn't need Florida to win, as long as he remains competitive in the Midwest and Southwest. That's the benefit to expanding the map, and it's why I want the Obama campaign to, at minimum, add Georgia, South Carolina, and Arizona to their list of battleground states in 2012.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Your Florida argument doesn't hold any water, FL Dems were in disarray before 2008, too......
Obama was down by double-digits, the state Dems were a disaster, and we didn't close there until late.  And yet Obama ultimately carried it.

Florida isn't becoming Southern at all, it's been steadily moving away from that for decades.  It's solidly purple and very winnable for Obama, especially since he won there last time and his team knows exactly what to do.

That people bring up Israel as a voting issue perplexes me, because it's not except for a very few partisans.  Hardly anyone votes for a candidate based on Israel, and the ones who do, Jewish voters and right-wing fundie Christians, are diehard partisans anyway, not persuadable voters.  Jews make up only 5% of Florida voters per the 2008 exit poll, and Jewish voters are overwhelmingly partisan Democrats and mostly very liberal.

There is nothing about Florida that makes it more difficult in 2012 than other swing states.  That's not to say it won't be difficult, but there's nothing distinctively difficult about it.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I mostly agree but
(warning: anecdotal evidence ahead) my normally Democratic-voting aunt, who was a Hillary supporter in the primary, voted for McCain in the general (to my knowledge) because she distrusted Obama on Israel. It won't have a huge effect in a normal election, but it could move votes at the margins and maybe affect a 2000-like situation.

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[ Parent ]
Well her vote wasn't needed last time, so not next time either. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
She's actually from New Jersey
I was just engaging in the dangerous yet delicious art of extrapolation from anecdotal evidence.

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[ Parent ]
Sure, I understand, but her example actually argues in Obama's favor...
...since Obama won Florida, won the election, and won a  bunch of states that Democrats haven't won in a very long time.  That means Hillary fans who refused to vote for Obama were a trivial and inconsequential few, and they certainly don't have to be "won over" going forward.

There are always going to be 10-15% of Democrats who defect, and in fact Obama's defection rate was the smallest of any Democratic Presidential nominee in my adult life, and perhaps in my entire life.

Florida is as winnable in 2012 as any swing state.

Everything in 2012, from the Presidential down to Senate, House, and all else, hinges on what happens in politics the next 2 years.  Obama actually has held up quite well for all that's happened to hammer him these first 2 years, and an improved economy alone will get him over the hump as well as Dems downballot.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
There was a study into the legislative seats done sometime ago.
It stated that even if the amendmend were to pass and gerrymander was eliminated, the gop would still control 55-60% of all seats because all of the dems are jam packed together in south florida and urban areas.

[ Parent ]
still
it's a good thing for Florida Democrats. And Democrats will certainly be more competitive with it than without it.

[ Parent ]
The state legislature
became out of reach for the democrats after northern Florida and other parts of Florida that bare resemblance to the "old south" realigned.  

[ Parent ]
Snowe worse off than thought
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...
Palin leads the primary in MAINE.  

She is doomed
Best option if she wants to be re-elected would probably be to go Independent quick and win with a Murkowski style moderate coalition... puts NRSC in a bind though huh.

[ Parent ]
I'm
guessing all the moderate Republicans in Maine registered as Democrats or Independents. Snowe should run as an independent if she wants to be reelected.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I agree
maine has a strong democratic party with two reasonably popular congress(wo and)man one of whom could primary her.  indie however would probably end like murki-querque

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[ Parent ]
Indie move is risky for her, she can't win if a strong Democrat runs......
It would be foolish not to find a strong Democrat to run. If Snowe runs as a Republican, she could be Castled, and a Dem waltzes to victory.  If Snowe runs as an indie, then she gets squeezed and loses.  Maine is not Alaska, the Democratic base is a lot bigger, and as long as the nominee isn't someone the caliber of Mitchell (or God forbid Mitchell herself!), then a Dem pulls it out with Snowe and a Republican splitting the center-right/conservative votes.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
the dem base is larger
but it's a lot more flexible.  they aren't partisan dems who only vote for dems, look at every gubernatorial election since the 1980's, indies do well, so do moderate republicans.  if she can get 40% of indies and 20-30% of both parties combined she'd probably win.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
by 20-30%
i mean 20-30% combined.  like 30% of dems and 20% of Reps, where the two parties are similarly sized.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
By your math, Snowe gets less than 33%, you can't win a three-way like that
(This is based on the 2008 exit polls btw)

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[ Parent ]
those were off the cuff numbers
let's try this again.  i'll use the voter registration numbers from the 2008 senate election, both collins and snowe's re-election take place in presidential years.

democrat 35%

republicans 25%

indies 40%

the dem numbers i do wonder about, because if there's a good dem s/he could do better.  allen got 66% of dems in 2008, the question is how good of a candidate was he?  a lot of people bad mouth the campaign, but he was already known by half of the state and had resources to spare.  plus snowe has been more popular than collins.  the other numbers i;m confident would turn out in 2012 barring some unforeseen event.

D/R/I rounding

snowe  25/40/55  40%

grade A Dem 70/5/30 38%

grade B tea partyish R 5/55/20 22%  

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[ Parent ]
If she was contemplating exit strategies
(though I personally have a hard time seeing her leaving the Republican Party), full Democrat would make the most sense, and I think it'd be pretty easy in the end.  She doesn't have any skeletons that would really antagonize the liberal base in the way Specter's did, and, frankly, a defection right now would be a nice bit of sunshine for a lot of Democrats (especially in Maine).

[ Parent ]
Sen-Elect Johnson (WI) makes FAIL blog
http://failblog.org/2010/11/10...
When you dig yourself into a deep hole, start digging. Whaa?

WOW! Just wow...
Well, I guess Senator-elect Johnson is going to DC with quite the bang!

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[ Parent ]
To quote Wiggum:
"No, no, dig up, stupid."

[ Parent ]
NV-Sen: Que Viva Harry Reid!
What turned out to be one of the most important factors that clinched Reid's reelection was the Latin@ vote, and Las Vegas CityLife looks into it.

Long story short: Harry Reid made critical connections to the community...

A week before the election, a special guest pushed a shopping cart through the aisles of Cardenas Market on Bonanza Road and Lamb Boulevard. He came back a few days later with his family.

"He loved the store so much, he wanted to show his wife," said Phil Avila, district director of Cardenas Markets.

Avila pointed proudly to two small framed photographs on the wall of his office -- one of U.S. Sen. Harry Reid and another of his wife, Landra.

Reid's visit wasn't your average courtesy stop at a local business. This particular store played a critical role in the senator's re-election, as a hub of voter registration and education operating seven days a week in the months before the election. A coalition of local and national organizations took turns manning clipboards outside the automatic doors starting in the spring.

While Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron Angle just kept spitting and farting on them.

The Angle campaign invested in a series of television ads that accused Reid of being an "illegal alien's best friend" and portrayed the community as criminals. When she had to pull the first round because of copyright concerns, she followed up with something even worse: Spots that featured a white family cowering in fear of shadowy gangs from south of the border.

Angle's ads were just the beginning. Robert De Posada, an Angle ally, created an ad urging Hispanics not to vote, ostensibly because Harry Reid and President Barack Obama failed to deliver on promises of comprehensive immigration reform. Angle refused to denounce it, and then blundered in a meeting with a high school Hispanic group, when she told some of the students they looked "a little more Asian" to her.

"The Sharron Angle ads that were insulting to the Hispanic community, they backfired for her," [Fernando] Romero [President of Hispanics in Politics] said. "Then the capper was the 'Don't Vote' ad. She offended so many groups."

Angle picked on the community because she thought she could get away with it, Romero said. In doing so, she repeated a mistake Nevada Republicans have made over and over again. In the primary, Republicans Chad Christensen and Danny Tarkanian campaigned on platforms that included a promise to institute an Arizona-style immigration law in Nevada. The issue did not propel either one of them to victory.

But Angle ignored their failure and began to campaign on the issue. She made several appearances with Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio, the so-called toughest sheriff in America, who happens to be extra tough on illegal immigrants (and under investigation by the Justice Department for his treatment of inmates).

It will be interesting to see if the Nevada GOP decides to change course for 2012. John Ensign has quite the anti-immigrant voting record, so don't expect Latin@ voters to come to his rescue any time soon. Dean Heller used to be considered fairly moderate, but he's tacked to the right ever since going to Congress, including going more anti-immigrant, so put him in the same boat as Ensign. And of course, Baby Tark and Angle herself have already become curse words en la comunidad, The only person who could probably right this ship is Brian Sandoval, and I guess he'd be the wild card should he decide to give up the Governor's seat to run for US Senate so soon.

And unless Sandoval decides to run, Shelley Berkley, or Ross Miller or Catherine Cortez Masto should Shelley decide not to run, will probably be able to count on getting a good supermajority of the Latin@ vote.

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Sandoval didn't even do that well among Hispanics
He only got 33% according to the exit polls. Yeah, he pummeled Rory, but that seemed almost entirely based on the white vote (unless I'm missing something here).

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True. He didn't...
But he also didn't absolutely collapse and become totally reviled like Angle is. Seriously, her name is treated as an expletive in The East Side and North LV.

Still, you do have a point. Sandoval flip-flopped on Arizona's SB 1070 and drivers' licenses, and all in all he's distanced himself from la comunidad... So la comunidad doesn't feel so obligated to support him, even with his last name.

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You're forgetting the best part...
He's not worried about his kids getting harassed under SB 1070 because "they look white."  

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Yep, that caused him HUGE damage...
And perhaps it will make Sandoval reconsider if he starts eyeing that Senate seat (again).

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I think the Republicans have done a lot of damage to themselves among Hispanics
And that includes Hispanic Republicans like Sandoval or Susana Martinez here in New Mexico, she didn't do spectacularly among Hispanics either.

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8%
Angle got 8% of the Hispanic vote if I'm not mistaken.

41, Ind, CA-05

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Harry Reid winning so decisively felt like this to me:


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maybe it's me
but if i was angle (ughhh) I would just leave nevada.  too often in politics we stop thinking about candidates as real people and i can't help but imagine her going to the store, or the movies, or just on aa walk and people staring.  whispering that it's her, the wack-a-doodle that wants to do crazt things a-z.  seriously, i'd just try to find someplace else to live.  at least o'donnell was just seen as off, angle i imagine is flat out detested in most of the state.

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Fat chance...
She may run for something AGAIN! She's notorious as a serial campaigner, and last I heard she may try NV-Sen again (this time for Ensign's seat) or NV-02 again (especially if Heller challenges Ensign, but maybe she'll just primary him again).

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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RNC Watch: Former Vice-Chair, Ambassador to Luxembourg, Ann Wagner, considering race
http://hotlineoncall.nationalj...
Second time her name has surfaced in the past two days as a potential candidate. First for MO-Sen, now for RNC chair

Interesting, she's good at PR at least
I've never heard of her, but if she ran Blunt's 2010 campaign and is a former vice-chair, she'd definitely be a credible primary player and an establishment fave as a statewide candidate. Do you know anything about her, GOPVOTER? Or anyone?

I wonder if she's one of those Republican ladies who wants the government monitoring uteruses, because the MO Republican primary electorate is pretty rabidly anti-choice these days. And let's remember, Luxembourg is in Europe, which will be a negative with the folks of the MO R base. Fortunately, in the world of diplomacy, Ambassador to Luxembourg is the rough equivalent in importance of "Mayor of Wasilla."  

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I don't know much about her
I just know that she has held various parts in the RNC. She was Vice-Chair, Chairwoman of the 2004 convention, and chairwoman of the MO GOP, so she clearly has experience in the party. Also, her being RNC chair seems like the best way to avoid a messy MO-Sen primary. She is elected RNC chair, Talent runs for Sen, Kinder for Gov, and Steelman for Lt. Gov.  

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Former MIGOP Chair Saul Anuzis is officially in
http://www.thatssaulfolks.com/...

I like Saul, and he's a cool guy in person. Be interesting to see if he can build an anti-Steele coalition large enough. He did come in 3rd in 2008.


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Wait...
You're a Republican?

Saul was part and parcel of the Michigan GOP's continued dysfunction.  This guy couldn't even run the Michigan GOP effectively, let alone the national party.  So, with that, I'd endorse him.  :D


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By
the way, is that South Carolina guy who came in second behind Steele going to run again? You know the guy who openly admitted he entered politics because he was disgusted with black students being bussed into white schools to desegregate them? (How far South Carolina has moved now they've elected a Indian American to the governor's office and an African American to congress.)

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Let
me clear that up, they've already elected an African American to congress. But Tim Scott was elected in a overwhelmingly white district so that's an achievement in itself.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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oh yeah
Katon "Member of All-White Country Club" Dawson!

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Yeah, MIJunkie is a Republican.


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Oh
My condolences, then.  :)

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Richard Lugar
I have to hope he either retires or loses a primary, but I'm also scared of that possibility. While there's nothing inherently wrong with having extremely conservative positions, a lot of those who have them appear to be almost radical in their approach to politics (see Angle, Sharon). I'm not sure what I value more: what I believe would be a legitimate chance to take the seat, especially if Obama contests Indiana as strongly as he did last time, or someone what appears to be a sane, responsible voice in a party that needs them.

For the time being, it's certainly the former.  

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Yup
The GOP has the chance to eat its own in 2012 and still take the Senate, which seems like an odd combo.  Lugar could retire in 2012 and McConnell could retire too when his is up in 2014.  Obviously Lugar is the more sane of the 2, but given the incoming class, in comparison McConnell is seeming saner these days too.  And call me crazy but I like Orrin Hatch personally, but he's probably primaried too in 2012.

Sad but they'd still likely hold all 3 seats.  And Chuck Grassley and Thad Cochran would be the senior GOP Senators...and I can't see them being real leaders as I can't think of much either has stood for nationally.


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Even though it perhaps is illogical to say this as a Democrat...
...I hope he does prevail because the Republicans are so much in need of adults.  He's a Republican.  A conservative one.  Solidly pro-life and right (or wrong) on all the issues depending on your perspective.  But he's an actual adult in a party badly in need of them.  Someone who wants to legislate and make the country better.  Someone who is willing to put aside differences and arrive at solutions that benefit the country.  Someone who will try to work towards a bi-partisan foreign policy since that is what gives the US the most leverage when it tries to deal with foreign leaders.

If he loses while it might be nice if we could get a Democrat in there.  Chances are we get yet another bomb thrower.  This year we were lucky to only get a tired retread lobbyist.

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Right on
Lugar is a genuinely good guy. He is conservative but he, gasp, thinks for himself. He is (Oh No!) moderate on abortion and some other things and is not afraid to vote with the dems if he thinks it's right. He works hard for Indiana. I have a lot of respect for him. Don't get me wrong I would love to see a dem win, but unless I think the dem stands a good chance I'll probably vote Lugar.  

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He also is for worldwide nuclear disarmament.
He wrote a flaring op-ed in response to Mitt(ens) Romney's op-ed that the START II Treaty somehow castrates national defense (seriously, reducing our ability to destroy the world 22 times over to a mere 17 times over is NOT putting anyone at risk of attack).

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Well said
To both of you.

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Exactly
No one could match Dick Lugar's experience on nuclear disarmament and foreign affairs. That guy's going to be missed when he finally leaves the senate.  

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He filibustered aid for unemployed people
I realize this blog isn't about issues, but sheesh! This guy is absolutely useless in terms of domestic policy, as far as Democrats are concerned. I'd much rather see him be a retired elder statesman on foreign policy and out of the Senate.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Murkowski
She probably wins ballsiest campaign this cycle.  She really had nothing to lose but still she did it and appears to have done it right.

I still lvoe the DeMint was pushing her to endorse Millar after the primary and trying to get her out of the way.  Now DeMint wants to do away with earmarks.  I'm sure their relationship will be just fine lol.

If the re-count drags though, does Parnell get to appoint someone in January if its not decided?  That would be interesting.  He could appoint Palin lol.


I think DeMint won't be on Murkowski's Christmas list.
To post again the fundraiser email I got from DeMint to stop the "RINO" Murkowski.

Dear Friend:

You're not going to believe what happened this week. Just when I thought Republicans in Washington were beginning to get the message, they went back to business as usual.

As you know, Alaska Senator Lisa Murkowski lost the Republican primary to her conservative challenger, Joe Miller, in a fair fight. But instead of graciously conceding and endorsing the Republican nominee, Murkowski announced that she will continue her campaign as an independent write-in candidate.

Senate Republicans held a closed-door meeting Wednesday afternoon to elect someone to replace Senator Murkowski as the top Republican on the Energy and Natural Resources Committee. Or so we thought.

Rather than taking away Murkowski's leadership position on the committee, Senate Republicans decided to let her keep it. One senator after another stood up to argue in favor of protecting her place on the committee - a position she will no doubt use in her campaign against Joe Miller, the conservative Republican nominee.

It was bad enough to watch my colleagues work to support her in the primary after she had built a record of betraying conservatives principles. But watching them back her after she left the party and launched a campaign against the Republican nominee was more than I could bear.

I spoke out against the motion and I voted against it. But the good ol' boys' club, which always protects its own, prevailed. The motion was adopted by secret ballot and the final tally was not disclosed.

Keep in mind that I was attacked just last week by the Washington establishment for supporting Christine O'Donnell - a conservative - because they believe her nomination will hand the seat to a Democrat in Delaware. This week, however, that same establishment voted to help Lisa Murkowski - a moderate - defeat the Republican nominee, which could hand the seat to a Democrat in Alaska.

Marc Thiessen addressed this double standard in a column he wrote for the Washington Post on Tuesday, which you can read here. Here's an excerpt:

In that sense of entitlement, Murkowski is not alone. All last week, we heard the GOP establishment complain how the Tea Party is threatening Republican unity by pursuing "ideological purity" at the expense of a "big tent" party. But Tea Party-endorsed candidates are the ones who have stayed within the GOP tent. Rather than launching destructive third-party bids, fiscally conservative insurgents have contested GOP primaries - and when they have lost, they have endorsed their establishment opponents virtually without fail.

Contrast that with the record of the establishment candidates. When it became clear Charlie Crist would lose to Marco Rubio in Florida's Senate race, Crist bolted the GOP and decided to run as an independent. When Arlen Specter saw he would lose to Pat Toomey in Pennsylvania's Senate race, he became a Democrat. And, after losing the GOP nomination in Alaska, Murkowski is running as an independent write-in candidate. And yet, we are told that it is the Tea Party that is dividing the GOP and threatening party unity. For establishment candidates, unity seems to be a one-way street. The message to Tea Party activists across the country is: We want your votes but not your candidates.

The idea that DeMint and the Tea Party are threatening the GOP's chances for reclaiming the majority is absurd. Republicans wouldn't have a shot at taking back either the House or Senate were it not for the Tea Party movement, which has both energized the conservative base and attracted independents to the GOP by promising to reform the party and restore fiscal sanity in Washington. The best way to dispirit the conservative base and lose those independents would be to take back the majority and go back to business as usual. (click here to read Thiessen's column)

Help SCF Stop the Alaska RINO

The decision by Senate Republicans to hurt the conservative nominee in Alaska is certainly dispiriting, but it's also a healthy reminder that we must keep fighting to elect new Republicans who won't continue business as usual. If we're going to change Washington, we have to change the people we send to Washington. It's that simple.

Join me today in supporting Joe Miller for U.S. Senate in Alaska. The Washington establishment is doing everything it can to help Lisa Murkowski hold on to power. The grassroots defeated her once in the primary election and we can do it again in November.

Please contribute to the Senate Conservatives Fund. Senator Murkowski said the "gloves are now off" when she announced her write-in campaign against Joe Miller. By giving to SCF, we can run ads in Alaska that stop her campaign dead in its tracks.

Thank you for standing up for freedom. Washington may not be listening now but it will be in November.

Respectfully,
Jim DeMint
United States Senator
Chairman, Senate Conservatives Fund  

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Wow...
This was my personal favorite part:


Keep in mind that I was attacked just last week by the Washington establishment for supporting Christine O'Donnell - a conservative - because they believe her nomination will hand the seat to a Democrat in Delaware. This week, however, that same establishment voted to help Lisa Murkowski - a moderate - defeat the Republican nominee, which could hand the seat to a Democrat in Alaska.

As bad as it would've been for the Republicans, I'm quite happy that there's no way in hell that DeMint could defeat McConnell for Minority Leader, bad as McConnell is I don't think he's batshit crazy...

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I realize that....
It is the far right of the Republican party talking but it is beyond me why they consider Lisa to be a RINO. She is essentially a lock step party line voter. Occassionally she bucks her party but hardly for big votes (Lilly Ledbetter fair pay act is about all I can think of).

Her downfall is that she isn't a loudmouth. She does work with Democrats on some issues and she does have a good working relationship with Jeff Bingaman on the Energy Committee. She is conservative there is no doubt about that.

Personally while I don't care for Miller he would be comical in the Senate. Either way they will likely vote the same on just about every issue only Miller would provide for more soundbites.  

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I'm not so sure...
The entire Republican leadership and the Lower 48 conservatives turned on Sen. Murkowski, from her perspective (I mean, yeah, she lost, but we know she's kind of self-entitled, to say the least). Mayor McAdams welcomed her into the race with open arms, even though maybe in retrospect he could have won a two-horse race.

She'll stay a Republican, but I think she won't worry so much about ideological purity or the party line anymore. She'll probably vote with Democrats when she wants to and flip the bird to Sen. McConnell when he threatens her over it ("What are you going to do, endorse one of Sarah Palin's critters and force me to mount a write-in candidacy? In 2016? Go ahead and strip me of my committee chair, see how fast I set up a press conference to announce I'm no longer conferencing with the Republican Party.").

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Again, Murkowski will likely be...
For Republicans what Joe Lieberman has become for Democrats: a mostly reliable vote who hems and haws at the most inopportune times and stalls the party agenda whenever convenient. Since the GOP is still in the minority in The Senate, it's not like Murkowski can do any real damage to McConnell's agenda... But she can always threaten to provide a critical swing vote for Harry Reid on legislation whenever she feels like it, thereby giving GOP leadership serious heartburn.

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Prediction
Lisa Murkowski is going to be to the right what Joe Manchin will be to the left for the next two years.

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Any Kamala Harris news?
I need a fix!

The CA SoS site hasn't been update today, still shows her down 20k.


That's what I keep looking for. . .


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Government offices were closed for Veterans' Day.


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Same here...


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Never mind. I feel stupid!
Especially since I had just saluted my own grandfather (WWII Pacific Navy vet) today.

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3 new county updates
1. Wow at Alamada County: Harris picked-up 3699 votes yesterday and Cooley picked up just 713 votes.

2. For the 3rd straight day, Kamala Harris improved her share of the vote in Orange County. She's gone from 30,6% to 31,1% (she was at 31,0% yesterday); today's count included about 8000 votes. Given that this is a battle of inches, this is good for her; though this is certainly not what's going to win her the election obviously.

3. I think San Francisco also counted some ballots; but looks to have been no more than 1000.

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Only about 22000 remaining in Alamada
But if Harris wins anything resembling that share of the vote again, that'll be enough to make a big impact.

Another reason for Harris to hope: Contra Costa has now much more unprocessed ballots than previously reported. In fact, the Dem county has 102,000 compared to 110,000 for Orange and San Diego combined.


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I guess it isn't a holiday in some counties...
The outstanding Contra Costa number has been the one sticking out in mind.  That's about 30% of the total votes in the county.

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A fourth county
Shasta, a heavily Cooley county, updated today; 7415 new ballots for Cooley and 3217 for Harris. A big margin, though roughly in line with Cooley's 62-26 edge in the county. Also, this means that there are only about 5000 ballots left in this county.

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San Francisco and Santa Cruz
The numbers from the San Francisco update (on their website) are:

2,261 Harris (74.0%)
564 Cooley (18.5%)
229 Other (7.5%)

Before this update, Harris was at 71.0% and Cooley at 20.6% in SF.

Santa Cruz (currently 62% Harris, 28% Cooley) is reporting their results later today.  They have not had any updates since election day, so this one could be rather significant.


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Wow, this one is an important California result
52,000 new ballots from Sacramento County, and Harris WON it by 5,000 votes!

She is trailing in the county, so this is actually significant.

The margin reported by the SoS: 157361 Cooley-142669 Harris.

The margin reported by Sacramento County's website: 178844 Cooley-169118 Harris.

This is a place Cooley expected to pick-up some votes. instead, Harris won a BIG dump of ballots by a significant margin. I think about 40,000 Sacramento ballots remain.

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late votes
The late votes in all of these counties seem to be tilted D more than the earlier votes were. The late votes in Washington showed the same pattern. I would guess that this is because younger voters are more likely to vote late.  

41, Ind, CA-05

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MO-Sen: Talent, Kinder, Wagner, Steelman have all contacted the state GOP about running
NV-Sen, NV-Gov: Rory Reid's inner circle...
Lashes out at Harry (Rory's dad) for supposedly double-crossing him...

In the summer and fall of 2008, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid had several conversations with his son Rory Reid in which they discussed plans for the future, according to a source with knowledge of the discussions.

During the conversations, Harry Reid told Rory Reid, a Clark County commissioner, that it was unlikely he would seek a fifth term in the U.S. Senate and encouraged his son to run for governor, the source said.

With the understanding that he and his father wouldn't share the top of the 2010 Democratic ticket, the younger Reid set in motion his failed bid for governor, according to the source. Rory Reid didn't think his father would be on the ballot, the source said, speaking anonymously because of the sensitive nature of the family discussions.

A spokesman for Harry Reid denied the source's account of the conversations and said the senator did not encourage his son to run for governor.

"Rory knew from the very beginning that Sen. Reid was running for re-election," Jon Summers said in an e-mail. "Sen. Reid was very clear publicly and privately early on that he was running. This was never in question. Period."

It seems to confirm the negative opinion some Democrats and many Republicans here have about Harry...

Except that it isn't true. Jon Ralston just dropped a HUGE BOMB on his fellow Sun reporter's story...

Here's a ?: If Rory thought Dad wasn't going to run, why did he commission a poll after he was committed in '08 about impact of two Reids?

Basically, Ralston calls BS on this latest accusation that Harry misled Rory to believe he wouldn't run for another Senate term. To me, it just seems like some in Rory's inner circle still can't get over the craptastic campaign they ran. Oh, and it confirms what I've been telling y'all for some time, which is that Harry Reid and Rory Reid are NOT "tied at the hip". Far from it...

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According
to that Politico article talking about how Harry Reid pulled it out, he said he was not pleased at his son running for governor.

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