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SSP Daily Digest: 9/7 (Morning Edition)

by: DavidNYC

Tue Sep 07, 2010 at 8:01 AM EDT


  • CT-Sen: Obama alert! The POTUS is going to do a fundraiser in Stamford for Dick Blumenthal on Sept. 16th, the same day he was already scheduled to do a DNC event in Greenwich. Sorry to get all emo on you again, but if even Dick Blumenthal needs Obama's help....
  • DE-Sen: It's the battle of the sketchy polls! The Tea Party Express is touting a survey which supposedly shows Mike Castle up just 44-38 in the Republican primary over Christine O'Donnell. (Actually, they say Castle is at "43.7%" - too many significant digits is a classic sign of sketchiness.) Meanwhile, the Fix claims that "Internal GOP polling conducted last week showed Castle with a margin of nearly 20 points over O'Donnell." Anyhow, the TPX has no plans to evacuate in their moment of... well, we'll see if it's their moment of triumph... despite a surge of new questions about O'Donnell's fitness as a candidate. Among other things: Former aides say she never paid promised salaries on her 2008 campaign against Joe Biden, and she just received her degree from Farleigh Dickinson University last week, despite having attended 17 years ago and having repeatedly described herself as a graduate. Come on, baby, hold together!
  • IL-Sen: Amanda Terkel has spotted a trend among Mark Kirk's public statements: He can't shut up about the economic crisis in Greece - and Terkel thinks Kirk is attempting to link Alexi Giannoulias (who is of Greek descent) to the meltdown. Perhaps most egregious is Kirk's statement that while he "wore a U.S. Navy uniform, Alexi Giannoulias wore a basketball uniform in Greece." Really? That last part is relevant? A pretty ugly example of "othering."
  • LA-Sen: A little bit of Cajun-flavored cat fud: Gov. Bobby Jindal won't endorse Sen. David Vitter in his re-election campaign. Jindal claims he doesn't get involved in federal races, but WDSU has two very recent examples to the contrary. Anyhow, I can't think of too many sitting governors who haven't endorsed same-party, same-state senators, can you?
  • NH-Sen: Finally, a survey of the severely under-polled GOP senate primary in New Hampshire - though it's from Republican pollster Magellan, who likes to do Rasmussen-style one-day samples (a methodology that I think it's fair to say is not a best practice). Anyhow, here are the results (9/1, likely voters, May in parens):
  • Kelly Ayotte (R): 34 (38)
    Ovide Lamontagne (R) : 21 (9)
    Bill Binnie (R) : 17 (29)
    Jim Bender (R) : 13 (4)
    Other: 4 (4)
    Undecided: 11 (15)
    (MoE: ±3.3%)

  • UT-Sen: The battle for Orrin Hatch's senate seat - which won't take place until 2012 - is already getting ugly. Hatch is claiming that freshman Rep. Jason Chaffetz (who, you'll recall, already knocked off one sitting incumbent at a state convention in 2008) promised him he wouldn't challenge him next cycle. Chaffetz says he only pledged not to run against Sen. Bob Bennett, who of course already lost earlier this year. A Hatch spokesbot took off the gloves in response, saying: "Senator Hatch takes very seriously the principle of keeping his word. Of course, I suppose Jason can break it any time he wants to."
  • WV-Sen: Robert Byrd's family is excoriating self-funding Republican John Raese for using a photo of Dem Joe Manchin and President Obama that was taken at Byrd's memorial service earlier this year in an attack ad. Raese's campaign manager said, "That's a stock photo. We had no idea it was from the memorial service." Well, now you know.
  • AZ-Gov: Does this statement remind you of O.J. Simpson's ill-fated "hypothetical" book, If I Did It? Because that was the first thing I thought of:
  • "That was an error, if I said that," Brewer said about beheadings occurring in Arizona.

  • AZ-01: Ann Kirkpatrick is out with her first ad of the cycle, a pretty dull positive spot about how she donated 5% of her congressional salary... national treasury... opposed bailout... etc., etc. Ordinarily I'd just relegate this to our ad roundup at the bottom of the digest, but I also wanted to point out this great observation from SSP's own Johnny Longtorso: namely, the fact that the Navajo Nation (the largest Indian tribe in the United States) is holding its presidential election this fall, which may help Kirkpatrick on the turnout front. (Indians vote heavily Dem.) According to Wikipedia, some 130,000 Navajo live within the nation's boundaries in Arizona (it also includes parts of Utah and New Mexico), almost all of which is contained within the 1st CD.
  • AZ-08: You know how the WWF tried to become the WWE? Well, true hardcore wingnuts aren't content with (the bad kind of) SSP - they want SSE: Social Security elimination. Given how toxic this is in the real world (i.e., for the 99.999% of people who have never heard of John Galt), it's no wonder that Republican nominee Jesse Kelly now say he wants to "protect" Social Security. Good luck getting past statements like this one, from just last year: "If you have any ideas on that, I'm all ears. I would love to eliminate the program."
  • IA-01: This doesn't seem like a positive sign to me. Bruce Braley is going on the air with an ad (watch it here) hitting back against an outside group's attack ad - not something a candidate in an apparently "Safe D" race ordinarily feels a need to do. The group, American Future Fund, is accusing Braley of "supporting" the Park51 community center, though Braley has taken the standard "don't wanna deal with it" approach of calling it a local zoning issue for NYC. On the flipside, I'll take it as a good sign that Braley doesn't plan to get Martha Coakley'd. (Though doesn't it sound like Braley's "I approve this message" was recorded via cell phone? Does that mean the ad was rushed on to the air?) NWOTSOTB for Braley, though AAF claims it has spent $50K and plans to spend more.
  • IN-03: A common theme rears its head once more: A Republican rails loudly against bailouts, but it turns out he's been the beneficiary of government largesse himself. In this case, Dem Tom Hayhurst has been attacking GOPer Marlin Stutzman for accepting $180K in agricultural subsidies since 1995. But as the Fort Wayne Journal Gazette reports, just last month Stutzman said: "It's time to get rid of farm subsidies. The subsidies only manipulate the market."
  • KS-04: You know, we always love reporting on cat fud for cat fud's sake. Sometimes it's just a whiff, but other times, the cat fud can really stink up a race. Case in point: Mike Pompeo, a top competitor for GOP Dickbag of the Year, wasn't endorsed by any of the candidates he beat in the Republican primary, and even refused to return phone calls from his opponents. Now, the cats are coming home to roost, because one of those opponents, rich guy Wink Hartman, is considering re-entering the race on the Libertarian Party line. (The Lib candidate dropped out of the race for health reasons.) Hartman, who spent almost $1.6 million of his own money on the primary, notably includes among his reasons for wanting to get back in the game the fact that Pompeo "misrepresented Hartman's pro-life position and residency." The Libertarians have until Sept. 20th to decide whether to tap Hartman. In any event, this could provide a huge boost to Dem Raj Goyle, who appears to be in a surprisingly good position to stage an upset.
  • LA-03: In an unusual move, the Louisiana state Republican Party has formally endorsed Jeff Landry over Hunt Downer in the runoff. State parties don't typically take sides in primaries like this, but it sounds like the powers that be are eager to see Downer bail, rather than prolong the race all the way until October 3rd. I personally suspect that Downer has no chance in the second round, and I think he'll wind up playing Kevin Calvey to Landry's Jim Lankford. (Check out our OK-05 tag if the analogy isn't ringing any bells.)
  • NC-11: Heh - looks like Heath Shuler's suggesting he could run for Speaker of the House, clearly as a way to distance himself from Nancy Pelosi. Shuler also claimed that cats eventually turn into dogs.
  • NH-02: Nice - progressive fave Ann McLane Kuster raised $223K in her pre-primary report (7/1-8/25), totally kicking the asses of all the other major candidates (Katrina Swett (D): $37K, Charlie Bass (R): $57K, Jennifer Horn (R): $39K). As for cash, it goes Kuster: $450K, Swett: $798K, Bass: $312K, Horn: $32K. Even better news: Kuster is touting an internal poll from the Mellman Group showing her with a commanding 47-24 lead over Swett in the primary, which is Sept. 14th.
  • NY-20, NY-23: Rahm Emanuel is headlining a joint fundraiser on Sept. 19th for two upstate Dems: Scott Murphy of the 20th CD and Bill Owens of the 23rd. Murphy has $1.5 million on hand but Owens has only $600K.
  • PA-06: A nasty bit of racial ugliness from the campaign of Jim Gerlach. Said a spokesman about Dem opponent Manan Trivedi: "The only one who has played the race card here is him, by going to Indian-American groups to raise money."
  • SC-02: The Office of Congressional Ethics is investigating Rep. Joe Wilson's trips abroad - at least thirty over the last eight years - and his per diem spending habits. Wilson is a prolific traveler on the taxpayer's dime, ranking 29th among current House members and 39th among 734 members who've served since 1994, according to The State. Wilson has tried to downplay prior reports of the probe, claiming it was only about $12 spent on some cheap mementos from Afghanistan, but that's evidently not the case. Meanwhile, Dem Rob Miller has a new ad out hitting Wilson for his support of CAFTA. Check it out - I think it's pretty effective.
  • VA-05: In a move that vaguely brings to mind Carl Mumpower, teabagger Jeffrey Clark said he'd withdraw from the race if the party or parties responsible for disseminating information about his financial history came forward to claim responsibility. Dem Tom Perriello's campaign said it wasn't them, but Republican Rob Hurt wouldn't say anything, so Clark says he's staying in the race. Feel the Mumpower!
  • OH-AG: Wrapping up some odds-and-ends from their recent Ohio poll, PPP find ex-Sen. Mike DeWine leading incumbent Dem AG Richard Cordray 44-40.
  • DCCC: Another day, another triage story. This time, the NYT claims that "party leaders are preparing a brutal triage of their own members in hopes of saving enough seats to keep a slim grip on the majority." And while they don't have an actual quote from him, the Times claims Chris Van Hollen "conceded" that Dems "would ultimately cut loose members who had not gained ground." In response, reports The Hill:
  • Van Hollen released a statement saying that the story "erroneously" said that the DCCC would redirect resources to two dozen viable campaigns if a review in the next two weeks showed that vulnerables weren't gaining ground.

    I have to wonder: Did the NYT really get Van Hollen wrong here, or is CVH deliberately trying to send mixed messages in order to motivate his troops through fear?

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    POTUS
    Also announced this weekend, POTUS is doing a fundraiser for Congressman Sestak on 9/20 in Philadelphia

    Could be an attempt at disinformation....
    ...to lead the GOP off track:

    I have to wonder: Did the NYT really get Van Hollen wrong here, or is CVH deliberately trying to send mixed messages in order to motivate his troops through fear?


    Reading too much into it
    I am sure the Republicans are not basing their entire campaign strategy on the Times.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    DE-Sen
    TPX's poll is about as sketchy as they get.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    WV-SEN
    And that right there is why most voters in WV can't stand Raese; a rich guy whose spent his life railing against unions, pork, etc, and everything else that makes the state work. Thank goodness his candidacy likely drove off Capito, who might have had a shot in this environment.

    And I've been telling people Kirkpatrick is in no trouble because AZ-01 is significantly more Dem friendly in off years due to the Navajo elections, (see 2002 and 2006).

    KS-04 is looking very interesting. If Hartman runs as a libertarian I could see Goyle winning, truly a stunning victory in this environment, though he'd definitely have a very tough time in 2012. Though I did tinker with some imaginary Kansas gerrymanders that drew Witchita and Topeka into one, highly urban, moderate-minded swing district that he'd play well in. (And also put KC and Lawrence back together with the more Democratic sections of Johnson County).

    I've also been maintaining that despite some people's pessimism over NH-02, that Charlie Bass is simply running a lackluster campaign. I was talking to a blogger from there yesterday on Dkos and he was telling me how Bass has been practically invisible locally, (but this may just be because he lives in a very Democratic portion of the district), and on top of that he has weak fundraising. If Lamontagne drives the Republican crazies to the polls, don't be surprised if Horn upsets Bass. Kluster has a good shot at out hustling either of them down the line and winning.

    As far as NH Senate, the deciding moment is coming soon. Lamontagne is headfirst in his late arriving surge, the only question is will he be able to gain enough before primary day to squeak by. If so, tag another gain for Democrats, because even Republicans, sensible ones that is, will tell you that he could never, ever, never, not even in this environment, get elected statewide against a sensible, living, scandal free Democrat.


    Wrong on AZ-01
    The Navajo Nation actually endorsed Renzi in 2002, leading to him winning some precincts on the reservation, which helped Renzi pull off a narrow win over George Cordova.
    I actually don't think they endorsed anyone in 2006, but Renzi had already been working hard for the Navajo Nation (believe it or not) and did even better out there.

    That all being said, the Navajo Nation endorsed Kirkpatrick in 2008 and I bet that they either do so again or don't endorse anyone.

    22, Democrat, AZ-01
    Peace. Love. Gabby.


    [ Parent ]
    Irrelevant
    They still voted for the Democrat easily both times and with higher turnout, this benefited the Democratic candidate. Renzi did significantly worse in 2002 and 2006 than he did in 2004.  

    [ Parent ]
    NH-Sen Is this the one to watch next week ?
    Lamontagne is rising in the polls and Redstate is getting behind him.  Is Bender a rival for conservative votes that could collapse to Lamontagne's benefit?  

    Two weeks ago, everyone was looking at Arizona instead of Alaska.  Could the same thing be happening with Delaware-New Hampshire?  

    Ayotte is getting more flak it seems for being insuffiicently conservative.    

    Has the Tea Party Express endorsed in this race? Has DeMint?


    Totally agree
    Lamontagne is sneaking up on us, while O'Donnell has probably told enough lies and made enough mistakes to convince Delware GOPers that she is unelectable.  

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Said Roughly the Same Last Night
    Wouldn't be surprised if Lamontagne beats Ayotte. God knows what's really happening there, because the polls in NH are tough to trust, esp in a primary, but it appears that Binnie had faded, and Ayotte is taking fire from all directions.

    One thing in her favor, though, with the teabaggers, is that she got the Mama Grizzly endorsement. That's a big liability in a general in NH, and NH repubs aren't strongly socially conservative, but I think it helps Ayotte with the teabagger types, or at least denies it to a more traditional teabagger candidate like Lamontagne.  


    [ Parent ]
    If Lamontagne wins, that's a free pickup
    There is no way in hell he beats Hodes in a general election. That race will cancel out our losing Dorgan in North Dakota.

    Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

    [ Parent ]
    Totally disagree.
    If Lamontagne wins, it's a toss-up.  In July, PPP had Hodes up 5 and UNH had him up 6.  Lamontagne's name recognition has undoubtedly gone up since then and will go way up if he wins the primary.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Nate Silver gives
    Hodes a 74% chance of winning against LaMontagne.  But I suspect that would change with post-primary polling.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Agree
    But still we want him if we can get him. Same goes for O'Donnell. Though I still think Castle is far from unbeatable. Latest Rasmussen has him up 48-37 and Coons up 47-36.

    [ Parent ]
    Agree
    I think this is the sleeper senate race, even if Castle wins the primary.

    [ Parent ]
    Couple of points about all this...
    1). I predicted Ovid L. would win the primary two weeks ago, so I feel like I'm ahead of the curve. That said, he is not getting the same TPE backing that O'Donnell is in Delware, I think because Ayotte has convinced people she's sufficiently conservative. He does have the Union Leader endorsement, which has proven telling in the past, and probably accounts for his current bump in polls. Agree with spiderdem this is tossup with Ovid, perhaps leaning Dem.

    2). With all the publicity about O'Donnell, I think it's actually possible Castle will get a bump in the polls if he wins (particulary if he wins by a lot). If he pulls a Coakley in the general, he could lose, but otherwise I think he will cruise, despite anything the polls suggest (and the ones I have seen give him a double digit lead).  


    [ Parent ]
    Depends
    Has O'Donnell moved him right on anything? The fact he is still under 50 gives me hope. Same with Coats/Ellsworth. Though, again, I don't expect to win either. I'm just saying it is possible.

    [ Parent ]
    Dude, anything's possible
    As we both keep saying, it's only September

    (okay, John Hoeven isn't going to lose, but other than that)


    [ Parent ]
    Nah
    Blanche is toast too.

    [ Parent ]
    Lamontagne will not beat Hodes
    His name rec is already decent from previous failed runs for statewide office, and most people outside the GOP primary electorate have already made up their minds: they don't like him. Despite the environment, he's got little to no shot at beating a relatively likable sitting Congressman.

    Ayotte needs to tack right in the final weeks here since that is now her weakest flank. She's a fresher face than Lamontagne and also the only woman in a field with three men, both of which will help her.

    I feel like NH and DE are less likely to nominate an "outsider" because the insurgents there are failed candidates of the past. Lamontagne and O'Donnell have both had their chances at statewide office and lost. Miller, Buck, Paul, Angle, and the various House candidates who won with Tea Party support were all fresh faces who had never run statewide before and didn't have that loser baggage.

    20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


    [ Parent ]
    One of Lamontagne's problems is actually the failure to consolidate the Tea Party vote
    They're quite active in New Hampshire, especially given the ability for Indies to cross-over and vote in party primaries. The problem is, Ayotte actually has a modest chunk of Tea Party support, and I suspect Lamontagne is surging too late. Plus, a lot of rank-and-file Republicans see Lamontagne as un-electable statewide.

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    [ Parent ]
    SC-05 - Unfortunate Move for Spratt
    http://politicalwire.com/archi...

    Spratt agreed to a debate only with no video or audio recordings.  This is either political malpractice or a recognition that Spratt is not holding up well either physically or mentally.  Either way it is not a good sign for his re-election prospects.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


    So screwed
    NBC/WSJ
    RV
    R 43
    D 43

    LV
    R 49
    D 40

    WP/ABC
    RV
    R 47
    D 45

    LV
    R 53
    D 40

    I've now entered dark humor territory. This is the all time best finding surely, yes?

    "58% of American voters believe that Republicans, if they take control of Congress, will have different ideas than former President Bush's, as compared to 35% who think they will return to Bush's policies."

    I don't know who is more stupid, the "Democrats" too lazy to vote or everybody else!


    Bloodbath
    This is quickly becoming a bloodbath.

    I think what we are seeing is a vicious cycle that is causing the Democrats to lose ground as their voters become disheartened by bad results.  This means the worse the news gets, the more voters get disheartened and feed even worse results.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    Nah
    They are just lazy bums.

    [ Parent ]
    Not laziness as much as disheartening
    When your team is going to lose, you are less excited.  This drives some soft voters to care less or vote for the winner.

    If you doubt people vote for the winner, I have encountered people who vote in such a way.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    The enthusiasm gap hasn't changed at all
    This is just finally showing up with the move to likely voters.

    [ Parent ]
    There's no sugar coating it
    and no denying it at this point.  The only thing left to do for Dems is to spend it all trying to survive and work hard to get unmotivated voters out in every race.  That's probably the only thing that will make a positive difference in this amount of time.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Surely campaigns
    Will energize at least some of these people...

    "One hope for Democrats is this: There are enough pro-Democrat, pro-Obama voters available to help the party head off disaster -- if they can be persuaded to show up and vote. In the survey, those who expressed the very highest levels of interest in this year's election preferred a Republican Congress by a margin of 53% to 35%. Among all other, less interested voters, Democrats are preferred by a 20-point margin."  

    I could stomach this much better if people were actively changing sides but they are gonna win by default in basically a walkover. Urgh.


    [ Parent ]
    Not stupidity at all. Take a step back and look at the big picture......
    It's easy for all of us as diehard partisan campaign junkies, always living deep in the weeds, to miss the big picture.  But really our sad state is to be expected and is no surprise at all.

    The economy is in the tank.  We've had supermajorities in Congress and have the Presidency, true one-party rule, for the current 2-year stretch.  People are depressed.

    So we're going to lose, and lose big.

    I know a lot of people are hoping for a 1982 election, instead of 1994 or something close to it, but 1982 doesn't apply for two reasons:  (1) we entered that election already controlling the House, so we already had mixed government going in; and (2) one-party Democratic rule was much more recent (2 years prior) than one-party Republican rule is today (4 years prior).  One-party Democratic rule today with a more distant one-party Republican rule to try to make people remember, combined make us much easier target.

    A simpler way to look it at is to simply remember what Bill Clinton said:  people don't give you credit until they feel like they're winning.  Well, people don't feel like they're winning, so they're not going to give the party in power any credit.  In other words, voters vote their morale, and their morale is poor.

    You know, if anything I feel a teeny bit better the past couple days than I felt earlier.  I think we're finally bottoming out, and it won't get any worse, and we'll have a CHANCE for our campaigns to save some seats and make it a little better.  I still put the odds of our holding the House at 40%, and our odds of holding the Senate at 80%.  I'd still rather be us than be the Republicans today, for the near-term and long-term.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Another difference vis-a-vis 1982
    is that, although unemployment was still sky high going into the election, a few quarters of very positive growth gave voters hope for a better future.  There's really no light at the end of the tunnel for voters right now.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Not as I recall
    Growth didn't return till the first quarter of '83.  And unemployed peaked right around election day.  

    The difference was that it was more concentrated in the manufacturing sector.  This recession is more spread out.


    [ Parent ]
    You're right
    Don't know why I thought that.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Also, I think inflation was more of an issue in '82
    And the fact that was getting under control at that point sorta mitigated the high unemployment.  

    [ Parent ]
    Yes
    And that sort of went hand-in-hand with the narrower concentration of unemployment.  Of course, in those years we still had a large manufacturing base, unlike now.

    [ Parent ]
    I only ever look at the big picture
    Much of that is true but I still think voters are foolish for doing nothing.

    [ Parent ]
    If they keep us in total control they'll feel like they've "done nothing." Remember that...
    ...the mentality of average voters is simply that the economy hasn't gotten any better, so Obama's policies have failed, or at least haven't succeeded as fast as they should have.

    Most voters have no intellectual background in economics or health care or so many other subjects.  They vote what they know, which is what they live and what they see in broad news headlines.  Those are the things that drive nonpartisan and soft partisan voters:  voters who either don't have strong political values, or whose political values are a mixed bag ideologically and don't fit well with either major party.

    And it's always the responsibility of political leadership to communicate clearly what's happening to voters with busy lives who are politically disengaged, and that's been Obama's major failing.  The White House has failed miserably in messaging, even on basic facts about what Obama and Congressional Democrats have done.

    I'll never forgot how flabbergasted I was when I watched an online video of James Baker, the former Secretary of State and Secretary of the Treasury and Chief of Staff in the Reagan-Bush years.  He was interviewed in front of a live audience in an auditorium at the LBJ school, largely on foreign affairs but also other subjects, and during a Q-&-A with the audience toward the end, he parried with a questioner on the stimulus.  While hawking his devotion to nonsensical supply-side economics, Baker revealed his complete ignorance of the Obama stimulus when he challenged the questioner's claim that 40% of the stimulus was in tax cuts.  The questioner was right, tax cuts made up $282 billion of the $700 billion-plus stimulus.  And even further, Dubya got through a $150 billion tax cut stimulus in 2008, which Obama supported.  So we've had almost a half-trillion dollars in tax cuts over a 3-year stretch during this recession, and most of it in Obama's own stimulus, and James Baker of all people, the penultimate "high information" voter, is completely unaware of it.

    That is the ultimate FAIL in political messaging.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    But they aren't average voters
    They are Democrats.

    [ Parent ]
    Average Democrats' morale is just as low as everyone else's......
    The "average" Democrat is mostly politically disengaged as a rule, same as the average independent and average Republican.

    All three have low morale because of the recession.

    The average Republican will show up and vote Republican out of both habit and, this year, uncommon drive.

    The average independent will show up and vote Republican because he doesn't really dislike Republicans any more than Democrats, and Democrats already are in power, so what the hell, try something different.

    The average Democrat despises Republicans but doesn't feel good about what Democrats have done on the economy, and thus won't vote at all.

    The above is a massive oversimplification, yes.  But if in a given poll Democrats split 80-20 on approving of Obama's economic policies, and Republicans split 90-10 in disapproving, that right there explains our turnout gap.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    I just can never understand
    Anybody not voting.

    [ Parent ]
    That's because you're just like me. But many more voters are like my wife......
    My wife is a high-income professional with an advanced degree, a wife and the mother to our young daughter and son.  She's in her early 40s, and we have a mortgage.  She fits the same demographic as me and so many other people who should care enough about politics to just show up and vote.

    But I can almost guarantee she won't bother to vote this November.

    And she voted LAST November ONLY because I agreed to clean the basement in advance of a party in exchange for her voting...I would've cleaned it anyway, she would've made me anyway, but she wanted to feel like she got something for her "trouble."

    And that's what voting is for a lot of people:  "trouble."  It's an errand to run, and an optional one at that, and NOT a civic responsibility.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Such is why
    We all get the government we deserve. Oh well, they get their 1994 repeat, I'll take another 1996 next cycle right now!

    [ Parent ]
    Im fine with 2012 being 1996
    Giving Redstates false hope because they did well in 2010 would be delicious.

    [ Parent ]
    You better think of some chores to do
    around the first week of November.

    I will drive my 92-year-old grandmother to the polls, and will endlessly pester my mom, dad, sister, and brother to vote.  Unfortunately, the Mrs. is a Canadian citizen.  Getting her to vote here would be just plain illegal.

    We need your wife's vote.  How else are we gonna beat Frank Wolf?!  Nevermind...

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


    [ Parent ]
    Wolf
    Wolf's district will turn blue when he retires. I will be really interested to see how they try and protect him (if they do at all) in redistricting as the NoVa suburbs are quickly changing the complexion of VA's landscape as evidenced by Obama's 6 point win in 2008.  

    28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

    [ Parent ]
    Um, you bring up something else to remember about "average" voters, and why you DON'T want my wife to vote......
    If she votes, she'll vote for Wolf.  She likes Wolf.  She's a liberal-leaning independent, she voted straight Democrat last November when she otherwise wouldn't have voted at all.  I pushed her to vote only because she saw the Deeds ads on "the thesis" and in her case they worked, so I knew she'd vote for Deeds, and plus she personally knew and despised Cuccinelli as middle school classmates, so she was a lock for Steve Shannon for A.G.  I didn't ask or care who she voted for in the L.G. race, but she told me she voted straight Dem so Wagner, too, got her vote.

    But in VA-10, Wolf is very good at earning votes like my wife's.  He's very careful in rhetoric and emphasis.  He makes a point of never using language to piss people off, of never offering an opponent any bulletin-board material, as they say in college football.  And he emphasizes local issues in his service, even while voting down-the-line the same as the most hard-right wingnuts.

    The DCCC should hold a secret mandatory class for all incumbents on Frank Wolf, as a case study in how to survive and prosper in a swing district no matter the environment.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Rs had effective control In the '80-82 Congress
    Yes, they were in a minority in the House. But they had the votes throughout that Congress, and I believe that's how it was perceived during that election.

    Nevertheless, the DK diary (based on a Pew study) cited by user Pan in towards the end of the Weekly open thread tells me that far too many younger voters will not turn out at all -- and many who do will turn R this election.

    And that's a characteristic caught by the cross-tabs of many recent polls -- a result that has been thought of as a flaw in said polls.


    [ Parent ]
    I don't think there are any young voters "turning" to the Republicans. Rather...
    ...I think the young McCain voters are planning to vote in far higher numbers than young Obama voters.

    Midterm turnout drops among EVERY demographic, even the most hyperengaged groups turn out much lower than in a Presidential.  So we're talking about who shows up from 2008, much more than persuading voters to change their minds.  I think that's even more pronounced among younger voters.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    So you're discounting the Pew study?
    ref http://pewresearch.org/pubs/14...
    The Democratic advantage over the Republicans in party affiliation among young voters, including those who "lean" to a party, reached a whopping 62% to 30% margin in 2008. But by the end of 2009 this 32-point margin had shrunk to just 14 points: 54% Democrat, 40% Republican.

    Looking at the numbers graphic relative to other groups --

    young voters (aka millenials) have turned less D at a higher rate than all other groups.

    Usual provisios w/r/t cross-tabs apply, however.


    [ Parent ]
    Are they measuring young people across the population, or only those actually planning to vote???......
    What is the total pool of people studied is what I want to know.

    The thing about young people is that only a small percentage of them actually vote.  Voting participation increases with age.

    So you can have a shift like that simply from 18-year old nonvoters becoming 20-year old voters, and 20-year old nonvoters becoming 22-year old voters, and so on.  The NEW participants have a more disfavorable view of Democrats than they had 2 years ago, but they didn't vote 2 years ago.

    From what I've read, the balance of studies on voting behavior and age say that partisan and ideological self-identification is largely constant over time.  Voters are more fickle under 30 than over, yes, but even very young voters by and large stay in the same camp unless and until something big in politics jolts them away from that camp.

    But what I'm not sure is sufficiently studied is WHO, in terms of demographics and partisan ID and ideological ID, chooses to vote at 18 for the first time, as opposed to not caring until 22, or 26, or so on.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    AFAIK, it's the population as a whole
    PDF - http://pewresearch.org/assets/...

    Bonus -- it includes comparative studies about young voters in '94, along with data in-between (with some baseline data back to '56)

    It includes signs that younger voters should come back to Ds (as they're more socially liberal than younger voters in the '90s), (but that's my personal interpretation).

    As for the constancy of party ID, that's dependent on interpretations. For example, the "Boomer" generation went from 47%D in '74 to 30%D in '94 and to 37%D in '08.

    In terms of the margins, those are huge changes, In terms of the whole, one could say that most boomers have always been either D or I.

    There's a lot of data in the PDF, and I can see support for a number of alternative explanations.


    [ Parent ]
    Younger voters
    Having younger Republicans more fired up on the Republican side helps them more in terms of the ground game because younger Republicans are a larger portion of their ground game than with the Democrats who have unions in addition to youth support.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    Well Republicans counter unions with the right-wing religious fundies......
    The religious fundies are the biggest group of ground troops Republicans typically have.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

    [ Parent ]
    It really is motivation
    The difference between RV and LV is proof of that. But I'm not convinced that it's too late to motivate Democratic voters just enough to get them to the polls. GOTV is the key to holding losses down.

    24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

    [ Parent ]
    Indeed
    http://politicalwire.com/archi...

    Maybe people could be shamed into voting. I don't know. Again, I could stomach it all so much more if it was people actually changing sides.


    [ Parent ]
    Deciphering these turnout models...
    is critical.  I'll be in the Chamber of Understanding.



    I think we're all going to be in the Angry Dome after November.


    [ Parent ]
    DCCC publishes internals, and for what they're worth, they paint a brighter picture......
    Here is the link:  http://dccc.org/blog

    In summary, in order of my surprise:

    NY-24:  Arcuri 50, Hanna 37
    SD-AL:  Herseth-Sandlin 50, Noem 41
    VA-05:  Hurt 44, Perriello 42
    NC-08:  Kissell 48, Johnson 36
    AL-02:  Bright 52, Roby 43

    Needless to say, the NY-24 result is a BIG surprise.  They could've showed a tie, I think, and sell it credibly as "good" news for Arcuri among the campaign media and junkies.

    I think a poll showing SHS breaking 50 and up 9 in SD-AL is a bigger surprise than a poll showing Perriello at 42 and down 2, although that's a close call.

    Regarding VA-05, we now have a Republican internal showing Perriello down 49-43, and a Dem internal showing him down 44-42.  I discount the crazy SUSA polls completely in light of these competing internals.  But losing by a single vote is the same as losing by 26 points, and it's tough for me to see a path to victory for Perriello when he's in the low 40s in all credible polling.  His only saving grace is:  (1) by all accounts he has great field, just like last time; and (2) nothing else is on the ballot to drive up turnout among conservative-leaning independents or other swing voters who have soured on our side.  So he's got a chance to manufacture a more favorable turnout model than should normally be expected.  But it's awful tough to see a win for him, all things considered.

    The Kissell and Bright leads don't surprise me.  Neither would I be surprised if they both were tied!  But there's not uniform swing in House races, election results even in a strong wave prove very uneven, and you can't discount any particular incumbent being up comfortably.

    All the above of course is subject to the caveat that these are Dem internals.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    Now can people stop complaining
    About the lack of response to Republican polls? I'll give these the same pich of salt of about five points. Not surprised at all by Arcuri. Easy for me to say now but I never left him for dead.

    [ Parent ]
    we don't know how many districts they polled
    They only released results from five districts. Doesn't make me feel optimistic.

    [ Parent ]
    Sigh
    I'll take reasonable news where I can get it rather than constantly focusing on the negative.

    [ Parent ]
    I'm guessing desmoinesdem
    Would like to see some good news out of IA-3

    [ Parent ]
    Polls
    I wouldn't be surprised if Arcuri wins.  Republicans are going to get flattened in the three statewide races, and there may be some trickle down the ballot.

    The surprise poll is SD.


    [ Parent ]
    They are all reasonable
    If they had been Arcuri 48-40, Herseth-Sandlin 48-44, Hurt 47-40, Kissell 46-39, Bright 50-46 they would still be good.

    [ Parent ]
    The Acuri result surprises me
    I had him given up for dead. All of these are pretty good news, and it's nice to see Dems release some internals that contradict some of the Republican results out there.

    That said, I can't help think these are a bit optimistic for the Dems. They might be relying on a more optimistic turnout model than some of the other polls. The truth is probably somewhere in between.  


    [ Parent ]
    Exactly the reason
    I moved each race five points Republican and they are still positive.

    [ Parent ]
    Very good point on NY coattails being a factor......
    The state GOP is an unmitigated disaster from top to bottom for both candidates and field, and I've read that state polling shows voters across the state preferring DEMOCRATS to control the state Senate, the only bastion of state government whose Democratic control is at all in doubt.

    As much as statewide trouble could hurt our incumbents in the Midwestern states, a place like New York could see unexpected Democratic holds in House races.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Only problem with this will be turnout in NY
    With the top of the ticket races looking like blowouts you might see turnout lower turnout in November this could help the GOP.

    Low turnout was how the GOP scored surprise upset victories in 2009 County Excutive races in Westchester and Nassau. No one thought the GOP had a chance to wim. They ran underfunded subpar candidates who scored upset victories over well known Democrat opponents.

    Basically what happened was the motivated GOP Tea Party vote showed up while Democrat voters stayed home.

    If the top of the ticket races look like blowouts you could see a repeat of 2009 and some surprise GOP victories in NY.


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    [ Parent ]
    w/r/t NY-24
    If I remember right, there have been a number of posters who've suggested that Arcuri (erroniously) thought he was safe in '08, and essentially donated his ground team to others in NY.

    [ Parent ]
    Indeed
    Still a tossup mind.

    [ Parent ]
    Believable
    The numbers are actually believable even though I believe the situation is generally worse than these numbers show.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    And better than
    The Republican polls show. Such is the game.

    [ Parent ]
    Perriello
    Looks like you are from the same area that I am from. I have a really hard time seeing how Perriello wins. I did some canvassing for him this weekend and had a few people tell me that they voted for him in 2008 but no way in 2010. He won by nearly 800 votes in a GOP district in a great Dem year so I don't see how he makes it. Absent a huge turnout in Albermarle County or a huge AA turnout he is cooked sadly. Hurt is also a pretty solid candidate in that he appears to be a mainstream conservative in the eyes of voters and isn't a Tea Party candidate.

    28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

    [ Parent ]
    But another example
    To add to the list of SurveyUSA crazy. People still buying those Yarmuth numbers?

    [ Parent ]
    Right now, I'm not buying any SurveyUSA numbers, period
    Hopefully they will come up with more realistic results in the next couple of months.  

    [ Parent ]
    I think the fact they don't weight
    His hurting them because the wave is so big. Still, it isn't as big as their polling suggests. In other words the automated response gap between those most enthusiastic.

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah that was DC's point as well
    Makes sense to me.  

    [ Parent ]
    30 Points - No Way
    Perriello is not down by 30 points. He has done lots to get any of his base to back him. Those opposed to him would be opposed no matter what. Take Glenn Nye for example from another VA seat who has done little to energize his base and he will likely lose as well. Perriello has lots of strong support from people who admire his courage. Likely he is down somewhere between 5-12 points.  

    28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

    [ Parent ]
    With their 37% AA support for Ron Paul
    I ain't buying any of their numbers.

    [ Parent ]
    Thanks for info, that's discouraging news......
    I've canvassed plenty the previous couple cycles in McLean, where I live, and it's unusual and discouraging to find flippers like that.  A few door-knocking shifts do NOT make a statistically valid sample, but over time you can get a decent flavor of a particular neighborhood or town.

    My only disagreement with you is to challenge your use of the word "or" in citing what Perriello needs to win:  I think he needs outsized favorable turnout in Albemarle County/Charlottesville City AND among black voters district-wide.  "Or" doesn't cut it.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    And
    That is what happens when you don't double check what you write and when you happen to not be an English major. He needs strong young support in C'ville City/Albermarle County AND strong AA turnout downstate.

    Agree that a few samples don't make or break everything and while he did have strong support from some just enough of those "aye" 2008 votes to "nay" votes in 2010 are enough to tip the balance especially with an 800 vote margin in a typically strong GOP area. If he happens to lose I for one think that he would make an excellent Governor's candidate in 2013 as I think that redistricting is going to change that district to make it even tougher to win in 2012 .

    28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


    [ Parent ]
    Will be interesting to see how
    Beltway journalists report these polls.  My guess is they get buried as non-narrative fitting.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    Yeah but Republican internals
    have largely been breathlessly reported in the Beltway media, although I would have to concede that they've generally made the appropriate caveats about internal polling and have often gotten responses from the Dem campaigns.  We'll see...

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    I looked up Charlie Cook's ratings
    He has Bright at leans and the others as tossups. I bet the latter group don't get moved but it does seem every time a Republican internal comes out it is taken as gospel and a shift soon follows. I guess the fact Nate found their internals have a history of being less accurate than ours means absolutely nothing.

    [ Parent ]
    Haha...
    on the right-hand side of the blog, they list a whole bunch of state blogs and House district blogs, along with the main liberal blogs as "Grassroots".  At the bottom they include this disclaimer:

    (Opinions expressed by these sites are not necessarily those held by us. So don't even try to blame us for things they say. It will just make you look lame. Seriously.)

    LOL.

    But hey, how come Swing State Project isn't listed on their blogroll??  :-(


    [ Parent ]
    Rural district caveat
    I will issue my standard rural district disclaimer.  The rural polling has been awful this cycle.  I believe the rural district polling in general should be taken with a 10 pound bag of rock salt.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    AL-02
    Bright leading Roby?

    But this is the year when the South rejects Democrats like Bright. There's no way this poll is credible. The numbers are obviously mixed up.

    Ok, enough joking.

    Glad to see Bright up 9. It's difficult for Roby to really go after Bright, especially when he's to the right of her on some issues.


    [ Parent ]
    Indeedy
    He votes his district. Most of those that will lose do not.

    [ Parent ]
    Bright
    I could see him switching parties if the Republicans win the house.

    [ Parent ]
    That's a ticket out of the House.
    The Republicans will say he is too moderate and he will be the next Parker Griffith.

    28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

    [ Parent ]
    Usually not
    Griffith is the only recent switcher I can think of who lost the primary.  Charlie Hall and Rodney Alexander are recent southern examples.

    [ Parent ]
    The Republcan base is far different
    Much more "militant".

    [ Parent ]
    you're being generous


    [ Parent ]
    Possible
    Then again it would have been far easier for him to run as a Republican in the first place.

    [ Parent ]
    Unlikely...
    He has stated many times before that he likes the freedom the Dems offer him.  The GOP would make him vote lockstep on every issue.  He can pick and choose what he wants.

    Plus, if he switched, he'd get teabagged horribly... There will be no party switchers this cycle.  Everyone knows what happened to Parker Griffith and what the GOP has become.


    [ Parent ]
    One Thing
    I doubt Bright would get teabagged. He's a pure conservative and has really done nothing to anger anyone. People know what they'll get with Bright.

    It's not the same situation as with Parker Griffith.

    Griffith was somewhat liberal as a state legislator and angered both sides. No one trusted the guy.


    [ Parent ]
    You are assuming the tebaggers are reasonable and sane..
    He'd get teabagged just like everyone else....

    [ Parent ]
    Blah
    There are some sane teabaggers out there, just as there are loons on our side of the aisle.

    If Roby can beat a teabagger in a Republican Primary, I find it hard to believe Bright could not do the same.


    [ Parent ]
    if they were sane
    then they wouldnt be a tea-bagger  ;)

    [ Parent ]
    How?
    He was approached by both parties, and chose to run as a Democrat because they offered him more flexibility.

    Bright won't switch. He's not Parker Griffith.


    [ Parent ]
    Haha.
    Wouldn't be surprised if the only "southern incumbent" to go down (minus Florida) is Travis Childers.  

    28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

    [ Parent ]
    Agreed
    Glad to see someone else around here who is not buying into the hype.

    [ Parent ]
    I too would not be surprised
    to see most Southern Dems hang on while many marginal Dem-held seats in the northeast and upper midwest flip.

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    [ Parent ]
    I havent seen anyone talk solely about
    Southern Reps being the first to get booted in quite some time.  Hell, not since when thinking that made a lot of sense when the tea-baggers first arrived and their thinking is borne from Southern rural areas.

    [ Parent ]
    Huh?
    Your post is quite confusing.

    A lot of people posting predictions have quite a few Southern Democrats listed as vulnerable. AL-02 is one that's repeatedly mentioned.

    I'm not even sure what you're trying to say about the tea party.


    [ Parent ]
    Cue the latest DCCC internal: they have Childers UP by 5!......
    Nothing on the DCCC blog, but Jonathan Martin reported it on Twitter.

    Honestly Childers is doing everything right.  I won't be the least bit surprised if he wins.  He won the seat in the first place in a special with nothing else on the ballot, so he can win a low turnout affair with limited black turnout.  He's run every time as a conservative, so there's no flip-flopping charge.  Really, the only thing to challenge him on is the "D" next to his name and his vote for Pelosi for lead his chamber, which sometimes is enough as Lincoln Chafee learned 4 years ago.  But a Childers win should surprise no one regardless of what else happens.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Mmm
    Anybody else think this flood today is directly linked to the terrible generic ballot numbers from the networks?

    [ Parent ]
    Oh its directly linked
    I would be willing to bet the farm if I had one on the DCCC releasing these numbers to counter the generic ballot.

    I wonder why the Dems have not released any suburban numbers.  I suspect because the suburban numbers worse than predicted and the rural numbers look actually pretty good.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    Do IL-10 and NY-24
    Not count as suburban?

    [ Parent ]
    I suspect a couple more polls are going to drip out before the day is over
    They obviously did need to counter the terrible polling news that seems to be coming out of everywhere today.


    [ Parent ]
    A few here
    http://dccc.org/blog/archives/...

    Mods will probably do a thread later. I will use the same standard as I use for Republcian internals - if they can't show Perriello and Causey ahead they aren't likely to win.


    [ Parent ]
    NY-24 is not suburban
    IL-10 does, but NY-24 does not.  Additionally, NY-24 is not a compact district.  Any district that includes that many counties is not compact to say the least.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    Well....
    that is good news. Now, if only we could win the open seats in the South.

    Probably not. Gonna be blown away there. (TN-06, TN-08, LA-03, AR-01, AR-02)

    I guess after Childers, my next concern would be Spratt.  

    28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


    [ Parent ]
    Yeah
    I can understand the concern about Childers.

    My hope though is that his ties as a long time local elected official before serving in Congress will help him out. Again, it's another way for Childers to localize the race.


    [ Parent ]
    Yup.
    Localization, localization, localization is the key. That's what won us PA-12, not the timing of the special on primary day.

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    [ Parent ]
    Spratt's a real concern, he's voted as a garden variety liberal......
    Spratt voted FOR the stimulus, FOR cap-and-trade, and FOR ALL the health care bills:  the House bill, the Senate bill, and the reconciliation bill.

    The only conservative vote I can find on him was that he voted for the Stupak Amendment to the House health care bill.

    I suspect Spratt is a liberal at heart who just is a very likeable guy, and he survived this long because his PERSONA fit the district.  But his voting record is tough to defend in his conservative district, and I won't be surprised if he goes down.  I'll be very sad, he's really no less courageous than Tom Perriello, and perhaps moreso because he's so much more invested in his Congressional career and has more to lose than Perriello.  It would be nice if guys like them could survive, we could then point to them as Members who survived while standing up for principle.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Well
    I don't consider Spratt a Conservative Democrat, but that's just me.

    In addition to what you've mentioned, the other problem he has is that he's Chair of the Budget Committee.

    Usually being Chair is a positive, but I'm not sure it is in this environment.


    [ Parent ]
    Well I don't either, anymore, and I never followed his past voting record but just assumed...
    ...he must be a conservaDem, based solely on his being a white Democrat who was consistently reelected representing a very conservative white Southern district.  But for all I know, he's always voted with his party most of the time, and for whatever reasons it just never bit his ass before.

    And for all I know, maybe he'll get reelected this time as well!  He certainly has a better shot than Perriello, simply because he's won so much and knows how to win.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    Rural Dems
    My prediction: the rural southern conservaDems are going to hold on for the most part.

    The bulk of the loses everywhere will be in the suburban/exurban districts.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    I agree.


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    [ Parent ]
    Irony
    It is interesting, but the House Democratic caucus is likely to become more conservative after this election as the Dems lose many of the suburban seats that elect moderates and progressives while the conservaDems hold on.  

    It is even more ironic that many of the supposed tea party candidates will go down in flames while many mainstream Republican candidates will likely win shifting their caucus more towards the center.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


    [ Parent ]
    And not a moment too soon, for both sides.
    Anything that helps decrease polarization sounds great to me.

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    [ Parent ]
    Unforunately
    This cycle has made me firmly believe that the parties in congress need to be firmly shifted left. My one hope, that has kept me going this cycle is that the right will get pushed to the extremities and marginalized completely out of the political process, while the Democratic party gets larger, and the progressive wing in general assumes power, with perhaps some negotiating with blue dogs and conservative suburbans.  

    [ Parent ]
    Interesting
    I think we are seeing more of a breakdown of the right / left political spectrum in general though.  Our parties in general are ideologically incoherent and incapable of enacting substantial portions of their respective agendas because our politics is becoming so ideologically incoherent.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    Weirdly enough,
    I think failed compromises are the problem. It's disingenuous for people to say that the Democrats had one-party rule; they didn't. Republicans were still able to effectively filibuster any progressive legislation, and many normally conservative pieces of legislation for pure opposition purposes. My friend, who is actually a centrist ironically, said it best around the time of the HCR debacle, "You have to go all the way with these kinds of policies; going halfway always fails." I'm tired of seeing everything diluted. I want either a completely progressive vision put forth, untainted by special interests ransacking the position of moderates and conserva-Dems, or I want Republicans to get in and enact Paul Ryan's plans and show, through the inevitable failure of such 19th century ideas, who is right and who is wrong and hopefully then the American people would remember it and be more patient and loyal to Democrats.  

    [ Parent ]
    I doubt this country will ever be that progressive
    This country is a center-right or center country.  A truly progressive agenda probably could not be implemented.  If anything, this country is moving in two different directions.  Culturally it is becoming more progressive, but economically it is becoming far more individualistic.  Basically we are seeing the development of a "Leave Us Alone" mentality that neither party really has a clue how to unleash.  Additionally, this mentality is being reinforced by a fatalistic mentality that programs like Social Security will not be around in the future.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    Ryan, your comment is the sort of de-rail that this site does not allow.
    Final warning.

    [ Parent ]
    Polarization
    I think it will depolarize the process to a point.  Seeing the Republicans will probably end up with 10 to 20 more seats than the Democrats, the more moderate members of both caucuses are going to be very relevant.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    Curious
    who do you see as being a moderate Republican in the House? All the House candidates seem to be running in lockstep on the same anti-everything-the-Dems-have-done platform.

    [ Parent ]
    AZ-8
    That district is 17% seniors. Looks like Kelly has no idea what the hell he's doing and is going to get rolled in a Republican year in a district where they should be at least competitive.

    41, Ind, CA-05

    Republican Poll has White Nearly Tied with Perry in TX
    This is a surprise!

    http://www.pollster.com/blogs/...


    RV
    Not very hopeful that is on the mark.

    [ Parent ]
    PPP out
    with LV Poll this week.

    28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

    [ Parent ]
    Another positive Dem internal
    Maybe they were waiting until Labor Day.

    http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/ey...


    A Republican Internal
    showed Seals ahead by 3. What is the reputation of Anzalone Liszt Research? I think they are good in the South.

    28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

    [ Parent ]
    I think Anzalone-Liszt...
    proved their mettle with their polling for Travis Childers in the 2008 special election and beyond.

    [ Parent ]
    The fourth pickup
    This could be pickup # 4 for the Dems, along with LA-2, HI-1 and DE.  Which would require the Republicans to get 43 to takeover.

    [ Parent ]
    Joe Garcia leads in FL-25 too
    Unfortunately the only other one I can think of is maybe AZ-03 if Quayle really flops. I don't see Dent or Lungren losing.

    [ Parent ]
    FL-12
    Lori Edwards has led there in the last two polls taken, albeit one of them was an internal.  Keep an eye on that one, it could be a shocker.

    23, Male, Democrat, OH-13

    [ Parent ]
    I was just going to say FL-12
    One thing that makes me skeptical, though - here winning depends entirely on a third party candidate getting a substantial share of the vote.  

    [ Parent ]
    Never look a gift horse...


    [ Parent ]
    Oh, I don't believe me.
    I'll take a Lori Edwards win any day. I'm skeptical the third party support will hold up.  

    [ Parent ]
    Sorry - that should have been "believe me."


    [ Parent ]
    I don't buy that for one second, I expect Lori Edwards to get blown out bigtime......
    I don't see why anyone credibly buys a poll that claims a 3rd wheel will get substantial support there.  Is this guy a rich self-funder?  Or is the Republican damaged like Sharron Angle or scandal-plauged?  I don't think any of that stuff is present there.

    If we pull an upset win somewhere, it's not going to be there.

    43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


    [ Parent ]
    You're wrong about this.
    I live about a mile from this district.  Tea Party candidate Randy Wilkinson is a Polk County Commissioner who is probably better known in the district than Republican State Rep Dennis Ross.  The last Edwards internal showed that Wilkinson in fact is better known than Ross.  He's not a "some dude" at all.  He will get substantial support, but it will probably have to be very substantial (20%+) for Edwards to win.  I just don't know if that will happen, but I can't categorically rule it out.

    Edwards has now been up in two polls, and there has been radio silence from Ross and the Republicans in response.  If they were feeling good about this one, I'd expect them to release a poll in response to two polls showing him down.

    This is not an ordinary race, and I won't write it off until I see some polling rebutting the two Edwards polls.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11


    [ Parent ]
    I actually believe the Edwards internals
    But, the question I have is once voters start focusing on the race and Ross starts taking advantage of his COH, will he bring Wilkinson voters home to him?

    I think yes.  


    [ Parent ]
    I think so too.
    But until that happens I'm not scratching this one off my ever shortening list of realistic Dem pickups.

    34, WM, Democrat, FL-11

    [ Parent ]
    I didnt know all this
    Very good info, although I'm still quite pessimistic.

    [ Parent ]
    Oddly enough
    I'm very bullish on John Callahan; he's simply so popular on a local level and has good fundraising. What's more is he has an insanely strong base in Bethlehem, which is slightly more conservative than Allentown to begin with, so its a strategically good base to have here. Seriously, read the message boards of the local papers on this race; it's full of conservatives talking about how conflicted they are because they like Callahan so much, and I think that bodes well when adjusting for a general population model.  

    [ Parent ]
    Just paint Dent as a crappy
    DC politician like all of our swing district Dems will get painted as.

    [ Parent ]
    I didn't think that Seals had it in him..
    ...after failing so many times, but maybe the recent Mark Kirk stench is dragging Mr. Dold down as well.

    [ Parent ]
    No, Dold being a teabagger
    in a liberal suburban district is what's done it; he defeated the more moderate, establishment backed Republican in the primary and took all chance they had of holding the seat, away in doing so.

    [ Parent ]
    There's gotta be a typo there...
    A new Democratic poll showed Democrat Dan Seals ahead of Republican Bob Dold by 13 points in the open-seat race to succeed GOP Rep. Mark Kirk. Seals led 46 percent to 38 percent in the poll taken for Seals' campaign, a larger margin than a poll taken by the same firm in May found.

    Since when does a 46%-38% lead = a 13-point lead???


    [ Parent ]
    Yup
    TYpo there somewhere.

    [ Parent ]
    See below
    The new poll is 13 points (49-36).

    [ Parent ]
    NC-11
    Here's another article, including a video of the quote:

    http://www.mountainx.com/news/...

    Maybe it's just me, but I believe Shuler was messing around.


    Are these new GOP endorsements?
    Or did we already know these guys were supporting Harry Reid?

    http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/...


    Both
    Looks like a couple are already listed on his site.

    Here's the list:

    http://www.harryreid.com/ee/in...


    [ Parent ]
    Many of us in the netroots could learn something from Reid
    From the linked article

    Reid himself reached into the GOP ranks soon after tea party favorite Sharron Angle won that party's bitter nomination fight in June, systematically calling down the list of donors who had backed Republican establishment favorite Sue Lowden. Lowden tells Washington Wire she began hearing from supporters the morning after the primary who had received calls from Reid, and a number of them were deciding to back him.

    If we progressives reached out in a similar way, I think it would pay handsome dividends.

    I think McAdams, Conway, Crist, and anyone running against a Tea Partier. should read it carefully as well.

    (Can't answer your question, user conspiracy, but even if it's a reprint, it's as good as another 6-digit ad buy.)


    [ Parent ]
    More good news from the DCCC
    Yeah, I guess they're really trying to push back on the media narrative of doom and gloom for Democrats in November.

    In addition to the 5 DCCC polls they released, here's some more numbers from the campaigns' pollsters.  Some we've seen discussed in previous threads on SSP, and some polls are older than others.

    AR-01: Rick Crawford (R) 41, Chad Causey (D) 40
    IL-10: Dan Seals (D) 49, Robert Dold (R) 36
    MS-01: Travis Childers (D) 46, Alan Nunnelee (R) 41
    NC-11: Heath Shuler (D) 51, Jeff Miller (R) 34
    NJ-03: John Adler (D) 51, Jon Runyan (R) 34
    OR-05: Kurt Schrader (D) 46, Scott Bruun (R) 35
    PA-04: Jason Altmire (D) 51, Keith Rothfus (R) 24
    VA-09: Rick Boucher (D) 55, Morgan Griffith (R) 32


    Unquestionably pushback
    Though some of those we already new about.

    [ Parent ]
    Known of most of them...
    Does any of those results really change the narrative?  Few of us thought many of those seats were really in trouble to start with.  Throwing out a PA-4 number is laughable.  Nobody has considered Altmire seriously endangered for months.  How about some numbers from PA-3, PA-7, PA-8 or PA-11?

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    Oh come on
    There was Republican polling showing Schrader down, SurveyUSA had Shuler down, everybody assumes Childers will lose etc, etc.

    [ Parent ]
    The polling fits my analysis
    I have said for awhile the conservaDems and Dems in rural districts are going to do better than expected.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    I had at least two of these people on my doom list
    Acuri and Childers. I still think Childers is in a lot of trouble - using Conspiracy's add five points formula, that race is tied.  

    [ Parent ]
    I don't disagree with that


    [ Parent ]
    I know
    You have shared my skepticism of much of the polling this cycle.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    yeah good luck with that train of thought
    The very nature of these types of districts makes it a trap to ever consider them safe. That is how Republicans end up losing seats in marginal districts where "no one saw it coming" in 2006 and 2008. Just ask Anne Northup, Jeb Bradley, Virgil Goode, Jim Leach, Sue Kelly, etc how safe their seats were.  

    [ Parent ]
    Nate Silver Tweets
    "I'd urge at least a wee bit of caution in panicking about polling results from mid-August thru Labor Day. Lots of people on vacation."

    Nate isn't the type of guy who is going to provide phony morale boosting, so this is somewhat comforting.


    People should get risen
    From their slumber by campaigns which are only really getting into gear. Still, I can buy those network generic polls as being accurate.

    [ Parent ]
    MA-Gov: Patrick up 34-28-18
    http://wbztv.com/local/governo...

    I hate to think Patrick wins by pulling a Rick Perry, but, oh well.  

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    At what point do Cahill supporters
    Start realizing he can't win?  

    [ Parent ]
    And where do they go when that happens?
    The thing with Cahill is he's not Chris Daggett, he's the state Treasurer and people know him well. He's a former Democrat, but his supporters are the kind of Democrats that Baker needs to win to defeat Patrick.

    I'm shocked to see Baker within 6--he's run a pretty half-hearted campaign, isn't on TV, and hasn't really given people a reason to vote for him other than the fact that he isn't Deval Patrick. He had a chance to take the lead over the summer and blew it. But the fact the Patrick is only at 34 suggests that his window of opportunity is still there, if barely.

    20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


    [ Parent ]
    Baker can win
    I suspect Baker can easily win this race just because Patrick's numbers are so low.  A Republican in Mass. can easily get 35%.

    23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

    [ Parent ]
    NY-AG: Anthony Weiner backs Scheiderman
    http://capitaltonight.com/2010...

    Hello, Attorney General Dan Donovan.

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