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Indiana political overview and predictions 2010- It's going to be a fun year!

by: hoosierdem

Fri Jun 18, 2010 at 3:22 PM EDT


Sorry about the title, I was going for something more creative and that is a bit blah. However the title does explain the overview of this diary. This election cycle was expected to be as boring as can be for Indiana yet a series of retirements and resignations changed it. Indiana contains many important elections and promises to be an entertaining year. I will try and provide an overview of all of our elections and even provide predictions. I hope you enjoy!
hoosierdem :: Indiana political overview and predictions 2010- It's going to be a fun year!
IN Senate

When Evan Bayh announced just days before the filing date that he would not seek re-election I was furious. However his timing was actually brilliant. It ensured that none of the big name Republicans who would love the job like Pence or Daniels got on the ballot. Instead the Republicans got stuck with washed up former Senator Dan Coats. Coats has been gaff-tastic and is a seriously flawed candidate. While he had a bloody fight to get his parties nomination over a bunch of nobodies we quietly nominated top tier candidate Congressman Brad Ellsworth. Ellsworth is the absolute best person to take on Coats. He is young, energetic and actually lives in Indiana. He is running as an outsider as well, instead of talking about his tenure in Congress he focuses on his time as Sherriff. Ellsworth is solidly against gun control whereas Coats seems to favor it. Ellsworth will likely get a solid number of Republicans who are dissatisfied with Coats. This race has yet to truly take off yet but when it does it will be close, very close. Please do not write Indiana off. Go ahead and give it a Republican lean for now if you want but understand a lot will change when the campaign begins. Please read Ellsworth's campaign report that includes some encouraging poll results.

http://www.ellsworthforindiana...

Prediction

Ellsworth -50%
Coats-47%
Other-3%

IN-01

Pete Visclosky disgusts me. He is corrupt and genuinely slimy if you get my drift. I have been hoping for a primary challenge for years but to no prevail. It would be nice for him to just retire and take a cozy lobbying job yet he loves Washington too much. He is progressive enough (although the sleaze-ball voted against wall street regulation) however he is very corrupt. Trust me the day will come when his ways catches up to him and he is forced out in disgrace. He is pretty much guaranteed a 14th term to Congress though because the Republicans have yet again nominated a perennial candidate who has no chance of winning. He has ran in every race since 2002. So don't expect a William Jefferson set of events to happen because trust me Mark Leyva is no Joseph Cao. I just hope next cycle he is booted out in the primary. This guy is an embarrassment and trust me a primary here would be the best thing possible for us.

Prediction

Visclosky-67%
Leyva-33%

(Not sure if there are any third parties running. If so give the Lib 2 and take one away from Visclosky and Leyva respectfully)

IN-02

Joe Donnelly is a nice enough guy. I have only met him once but he seemed friendly. Indiana's second CD has a Republican tilt to it but I think Donnelly will win by a solid enough margin all the same. He actually beat a somewhat solid candidate in 08, garnering nearly 70% of the vote. Republicans are smart! They nominated a woman who actually goes by Wacky Jackie (although we just nominated Alvin freaking Greene so we probably shouldn't talk). Jackie is a state representative and former reporter. Do to the nature of the district it is not impossible for Jackie to pull an upset but I highly doubt it. I would put it at lean D.

Prediction

Donnelly-55%
Wolarski-45%

IN-03

I have never been fond of Mark Souder. He has always came off as an ass to me. During his time in Washington he always fought for family values, about as social of conservative as they come. Yeah Mark Souder resigned a bit ago after admitting to having an affair with a staffer, who ironically made a tape with him about abstinence only sex ed. You are supposed to expect anything in Congress but I did not expect that. None the less I was glad he resigned because I was plain and simply glad to see him away from Washington. He had a somewhat close primary to a rich teabagging car dealer owner. However right after all of the affair shit broke and he resigned. So the Republicans chose a nominee at a convention of delegates. Not surprisingly they chose state senator Marlin Stutzman who just ran a very impressive campaign against former Senator and lobbyist Dan Coats. Personally I think Stutzman would have been stronger than Coats but all the same this is a nice parting gift for Stutzman who defeated a hullabaloo of candidates at the convention. I have nothing against Stutzman, while I disagree with him ideology he seems like a nice guy and will be much better than Souder at any rate. We have a great candidate in the district and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Former city councilman Tom Hayhurst is running. Hayhurst was the nominee in 2006 and ran a great campaign. He is known for his fundraising ability. If this was 2006 or 2008 I would put this at lean D but Stutzman is too popular and the district too conservative. I know some say that the supporters of his convention opponents won't show up but I don't buy that argument, I just don't. The one positive is that Stutzman primary supporters will probably show up greater in November and may still be mad enough their guy lost to Coats that they may vote Ellsworth.  

Prediction

Stutzman-56%
Hayhurst-44%

IN-04

Steve Buyer does not actually have a squeaky clean reputation but I have never particularly disliked him all the same. He is not seeking re-election this year and do to his wife's illness. I believe his involvement in the frontier education foundation probably contributed but I want to believe he is retiring solely to spend more time with his wife who is not in good condition health wise. Term limited Indiana SoS Todd Rokita jump at the chance of an upgrade. He also considered a potential Senate run but passed. Rokita is not that bad, while he will be a mostly conservative vote he really does seem reasonable like Dick Lugar, who is also conservative but still has an independent streak. We have no chance here come November. Some dude David Sanders is our nominee.

Prediction

Rokita-66%
Sanders-34%

IN-05

Republicans are so freaking stupid. I am not talking ideology here but pure horse race politics. Dan Burton is the most corrupt politician in the state. He is a royal douche who, I feel, is way out of touch with his district and reality. He is an avid golfer who has actually missed votes to golf with lobbyists and goes on expensive golfing trips. He was also avid on spreading the Vincent Foster conspiracy during Clinton's days. He has been in Washington too long and everyone hates him and knows he is an ineffective legislature. He was a prime target to be primaried but no, the Republicans fucked it up. About a gizillion people jumped at the chance to knock him out. Had the number of challengers been knocked to single digits he would have lost. But no, name recognition got him a pathetic 30 percent of the vote, barely enough to squeak by former Republican Party chair Luke Messer. 70% of Republicans voted against this sleaze bag but no he still gets a 15th term. Republicans/Teabaggers get your shit together next time! We nominated a real life teabagger Democrat. Yes a teabagging Democrat. I know a lot of people have wondered if the baggers and everyone will unite behind the Democrat, well it ain't going to happen. Crawford is not a politician and has no skill and while I would rather have a teabagging Democrat than Burton it is not going to happen. Maybe next year they will do it right or maybe Burton will even retire. This is one of those rare moments when teabaggers and Democrats share a same goal.  

Prediction

Burton-67%
Crawford-33%

IN-06

Mike Pence is a savvy politician who has a real future in politics. I wish he was a Democrat because believe me he has skill. I am willing to bet that his next term in Congress will be his last, especially if we retain Congress. He will either run for Governor, Senate or President. The only thing that could get him to stay would be the possibility of being speaker someday but I highly doubt it happens. We have put up, once again, minister Barry Welsh. Barry is a good guy but does not have what it takes to make this race competitive.

Prediction

Pence- 72%
Welsh- 28%

IN-07

Andre Carson is the most progressive elected politician in Indiana. He is only the second Muslim currently in Congress. I really like him and I think he has a real future in the house. Perhaps he will even reach leadership someday. Carson won a special election back in 2008 when his grandmother, a really decent person and effective Congresswoman, passed away. He was elected to a full term by a large margin and will face perennial candidate Marvin Scott in November. Scott was the 2004 nominee for Senate against Evan Bayh, receiving 37% of the vote. He has ran for this seat several times, actually coming close in 1994. Carson has his job in Congress until he does not want it anymore. Scott will be crushed.

Prediction

Carson-65%
Scott-35%

IN-08

Brad Ellsworth is universally known and loved in Indiana's eight congressional district, however he will not be running for Congress this year but will instead be running for US Senate. We got one of the best possible candidates we could have gotten in state representative Trent Van Haaften. Van Haaften is very popular. People seem to forget that when rating this district. Larry Buchson is the essence of generic R in my view. He offers nothing. He won a very unimpressive primary win, much less than I had predicted. The Tea Party does not like him and I am sure some of them will refuse to vote for him. Van Haaften has even reached out to some of the upset Tea Party members. I could see him getting a lot of Republican votes. No matter how you think the Senate race will turn out it is obvious that Ellsworth will clean up in his own district and that will likely provide coattails for Van Haaften. Fellow Indiana SSP user notanothersonofabush made a good point the other day about The GOP having other priorities and it is very true, the Republicans have there eyes set on the Senate seat and possibly knocking out Hill and this is not at the top of their to do list.  

Prediction

Van Haaften-53%
Buchson-47%

IN-09

Baron Hill is my Congressman and I have the utmost respect for him. He has represented the district well and I have always been fond of him. His only "easy" election was last year when the Republicans nominated retread Mike Sodrel again. Sodrel originally ran in 2002 and was defeated yet he successfully ran in 2004 but was defeated again by Hill in 2006 and very soundly again in 2008. You would think he got the message but no, he once again ran this year and he came in third place in the Republican primary. The Republicans nominated Bloomington attorney Todd Young. Young is nothing special but is a step above lunatic Travis Hankins and Sodrel. I mean at least Young has a higher education than a high school diploma for one. Young is not free of controversy though, he received money from Massey energy, a mining company which is now under scrutiny for unsafe conditions it puts it's workers through. Hill did one thing uber stupid though. During a town hall one of these Republican activist with a video camera bated the Congressman and got what she wanted with him telling her that it is his town hall and he makes the rules. He is referring to his ban of video camera's but it did not look good. It makes an excellent attack add. Like I said Hill has never really been given a free pass and this is shaping up to be a much more conservative year than he has faced in the past and the Republicans nominated someone much better than Sodrel. So it will certainly be no cake walk but Hill is used to tough elections and he knows how to handle himself. A lot of people say his vote on health care reform hurt him but I actually think he would be worse off had he voted against the legislation. He needs high turnout in Bloomington and he needs to keep progressives happy there. Also please do not take the poll taken by fire dog lake seriously. They were against the health care reform bill and I believe it was there tactic to poll tough districts to scare members of Congress out of voting for the legislation. The poll in question was highly questionable as it contained many gottcha questions and such. Mike Sodrel even released an internal poll showing him leading by one so it is pretty obvious that poll was highly inaccurate when a Republicans internal shows better news for Hill. Tough but Hill has it in him.

Prediction

Hill-50%
Young-46%
Others-4%

IN SoS

Incumbent Secretary of State Todd Rokita is term limited. The Democrats will nominate Vop Osili  or Tom McKenna for the job and the Republicans nominated Charlie White. I do not know the dynamics of the race, although I consistently receive emails from Vop and he sounds like a serious candidate. I do not know this race enough to make a prediction though, maybe my fellow Indiana SSP users could make the call.

Auditor and Treasurer

Berry and Mourdock are safe. I do not know a lot about the races but they are scandal free so they will probably be fine.

IN State House

We were supposed to lose the state house last year but we managed to cling onto it. I do not think we will be as lucky this year. We have many competitive elections and not a lot in our favor. I am predicting we lose but narrowly. I am going to predict that the Republicans get 52 seats and we get 48. I hope I am wrong.

State Senate

The Republicans will have no problems retaining the state senate.

Please let me know what you think. I welcome all feedback, positive or not. I would especially like to hear from my fellow Indiana SSP users. Thanks!!!!

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How will Indiana Democrats do in November?
Excellent- All D House seats and the Senate
Good- Not all D House seats but the Senate
Fair- All D House seats but not the Senate
Ughh- Not all D House seats and not the Senate
Horrible- No D House seats and not the Senate

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Thanks for the interesting rundown
What's the ethnic origin of Vop Osili? Turkish, perhaps?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


He
is African American I believe.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Yes
He was born in Nigeria.

26, white male, TX-24, liberal-leaning independent

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Thank You.
This is very informative and well done.

Since you have a solid grasp on a state with a lot of tight elections, I'll ask you a question I discussed with DCCyclone in one of the daily threads - Do you think that any change in the economic trends (within reason) will help/hurt candidates in Indiana or do you believe the state of the economy is already "priced into" the races?


Thanks
I will not pretend to be an economist however I will try and answer your question the best I can but do not expect the most intellectual answer in the world. I have seen a lot of jobs created in construction thanks to the stimulus (Driving was a hassle on 64 for a long time) and I am not sure if people honestly expected an overnight recovery for such a catastrophic collapse, and I would hope that signs of recover continue to look good in November and voters see them. It is my hope that the voters realize that Congress has taken many steps to help improve the economy but then again that is probably overly simplistic to expect such from your average voter. I know this probably does not answer your question and I apologize for such.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Thanks.
I did not mean it as a technical question. Trust me, I'm not an economist!!

I think a quote from your response summed it up though "I would hope that signs of recover continue to look good in November and voters see them. It is my hope that the voters realize that Congress has taken many steps to help improve the economy."

My question is if people DON'T think that way (or give MORE credit to government than it "deserves") do you think it will affect Democrats on the ballot? Or do you think people will vote on how they currently judge the economy?
 


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Interesting Question
I think that there will be some voters voters who see no end in sight and blame it all on us just because we are the party in power however I think (hope) most people will realize that we have done all we can and it is not our fault for this mess. So we will probably lose some voters but I think if an incumbent runs on what they have personally done to improve the current climate with job creation and such it will be beneficial with these type of voters. Like my Congressman Baron Hill has secured a lot of funding for road construction type things and I am sure he has done even more than that, he needs to make sure people know that he has brought jobs to the district and even if voters blame the economy on Pelosi and Obama if they think there rep is on there side then they can still support them.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Interesting
So you think that incumbents may actually be more immune if there is a slowdown in the recovery.

Conversely, I suppose then that you think Van Haaften and (maybe to a more mixed degree) Ellsworth will be more affected by the economic tides, both good and bad.


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I normally would vote for a Republican
over a teabagger "Democrat", but IN-5 is an exception.  Dan Burton is a lecher who fathered a child during an affair.

In September 1998, Burton admitted to fathering a son, born in 1983, with a former state employee.[1][3]  After the admission, one report claimed, "During part of the 1970s and '80s, Dan Burton was known as the biggest skirt-chaser in the Indiana legislature ... Privately, some of his fellow Republicans expressed embarrassment. Lobbyists whispered about the stories of Burton's escapades. Statehouse reporters joked about him. Yet no one ever wrote about, or probably thought about writing anything. To the people who sent him first to the legislature and then to Congress, Burton was Mr. Conservative, the devout husband and father who espoused family values."[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D...


I seem to recall
some guy who served with Burton in the state leg. back in the seventies saying, on the record, "in those days, there was no bigger skirt chaser in the legislature than Dan Burton".

Yeah, there's no way he makes it to 2014.  


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Well he has made it so far
so unless the GOP redistricts him out, he'll around until he wants.

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He
is hated. He will not make it through another primary. He only got 30% of the vote this time, but it was against A LOT of opponents so he made it through. He should be an easy target to get primaried if the GOP would not put up twenty candidates.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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That
is not Burton's only problem, he is a very ineffective legislator. I could care less about who his opponent is because he a real sleaze bag and I would support anyone over him.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Exactly
You talk to a lot of conservatives, and even outside of Burton's sleazy personal life, he's done NOTHING.  He takes up bizarre causes like vaccinations causing autism, defending military dictatorships in Pakistan, and proving Vince Foster was murdered.  For them, he votes the right way, but does nothing else (including terrible constituent service) -- and in as save an R seat as there is, many have been demanding more.  Had he drawn one or even two primary challengers this year, he'd be toast.

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He
is truly one of the worst representatives in Indiana history and let's hope he just retires next cycle. If the Republicans field just one serious primary challenger I will probably donate some money just because I he is that bad.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Pretty fair assessment.
I pretty much agree with you on the horserace stuff, except for SoS which I also know nothing about (sorry). On a personal level I find Buyer and Carson to be more objectionable than you, but that's about the only difference. (Though I'm still voting for Carson in the fall. I wouldn't vote for Buyer for anything if I lived in his district. Good riddance.)

The main point is that your Senate, IN-03 and IN-08 ratings seem about right on.

Also, the big negative about Todd Young as I understand it is that he's from Carmel and comes off as kind of a WASP, which doesn't fit a district that, but for Bloomington, is kinda more like Kentucky's 7th.

If Lugar retires in 2012 (and I think he will), there's good reason to think it could easily be a Pence vs. Hill matchup. Bayh has the governorship bought and paid for (literally), so neither of them are getting ahead there. Hill will be screwed in redistricting and has every reason to want to move up, while Pence is rumored to want to run for President but if he's as smart as you say he is he'll stick around for a better than average shot at becoming a Senator.

All I know is that if I wake up in the morning on November 3rd and discover that my junior Senator is now Dan Coats, I'm going to have to question my faith in humanity in a way that I haven't done since November 3rd, 2004.  


Seems like Northern Indiana gets screwed
Bayh, Ellsworth, and Hill are all from Southern Indiana.  Will the GOP nominate someone from Northern Indiana or Indianapolis metro and do better than expected there?  

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I
will be shocked as well. I did not know Young was from Carmel. He did kind of look like a WASP in those commercials, you are right. In regards to 2012 I am not sure what Hill will do anymore. I wonder if he takes his chances and runs for Congress again because taking on Pence for Senate can not look attractive to him. He could try to run for Governor and strike a deal with Bayh to be his running mate, similar to Bayh and O'Bannon in 88. I do not think lite gov is that important and definitely a downgrade for a sitting Congressman but it looks to be his best option in a way. I will support him whatever he does. What do you have against Carson again, I think you told me before but I can't remember.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I'm torn on Carson.
Like him well enough politically, and will certainly vote for him this year given the alternative.

Don't like him all that much personally, mainly because he's
a.) pretty sleazy.
b.) is a member of an equally sleazy political dynasty.
c.) isn't qualified to hold his position compared to many others in Indianapolis
d.) has poor constituent service (in my limited experience - I wrote him and Evan Bayh letters about HCR last year, basically the only time I've ever gotten involved in an issue to that extent. Bayh's office wrote me back within a month. Carson's blew me off completely.)
e.) just has an attitude problem in general.

The reality is that there are about 1.2 million people in the Indianapolis metro, and at least several thousand of them are more qualified to hold that seat than Carson. He only got his current gig because of family connections and backroom deals - plenty of better qualified state legislators with actual credentials who would've voted similarly to Carson got passed over to keep the seat "in the family".

In short, I dislike Carson on a personal level for the same reason I dislike Evan Bayh on a personal level - because he's a silver spoon fed sleazebag from a corrupt local dynasty. The difference is that Bayh at least pretends to care about constituent correspondence, while Carson clearly couldn't give two shits, and there really just seems to be a lot of murkiness to the Carson family's dealings that I wouldn't be surprised was true.

I'm still going to vote for him, though, because, really, what's the alternative? (Though if a palatable Republican such as Elrod ran again, I'd be tempted to vote for him, if only to get a less sleazy Dem in the seat 2 years on.)

....and as for Young, did you know he's met Margaret Thatcher? And yet I bet he couldn't tell you how many teats are on a cow.... (that last is an old inside joke from the 1998 Vermont Senate race, where a carpetbagging multimillionare named Dan Coats Jack MacMullen thought he could buy the Republican nomination to challenge Pat Leahy, only to end up with a primary challenge from a 79 year old dairy farmer and local celebrity by the name of Fred Tuttle, who used the candidates' debate to thoroughly grill MacMullen on local knowledge, the most famous question being "How many teats a Holstein got?" Macmullen answered six! (the correct answer, as anyone from a dairy state will tell you, is four.) Tuttle won the nomination and immediately endorsed Leahy because he didn't want to move to DC, but ended up getting 22% of the vote anyway. Sadly, Tuttle died in 2003 and Macmullen turned up again for a grudge match in 2004 (where he improved on Tuttle's margin by 3 whole percentage points), but I think that may be the most awesome political story of all time. My point relevant to this comment being that Hill's going to smoke Young like a summer hog.)  


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I
really like Julia Carson a lot, I really do not know a whole lot about Andre as I have met him only once and it was a brief hello and congrats on your election Congressman type talk at the 08 convention. However I met Julia Carson on several occasions and I think she was a delightful woman. You are right about many more qualified people than A Carson for sure. Bart Peterson wanted the job I know and I think Kathy Davis was interested as well. I will take your word on constituent services as I do not live there. He can't be worse than Viscloski though, so count your blessing there. I have really never liked Bayh Jr. a whole lot either. He is not half the Senator his old man was. He was a fairly good Governor though and I can't wait to see a Democrat take over again. I would rather have Hill but Bayh does provide a slam dunk win and I'll take it. Personally I much more prefer Lugar as a Senator, and I would vote for him under most circumstances. I remember Tuttle, now he is an interesting man. Having an intellectual R candidate might help them as Sodrel only has a HS diploma and his grades in HS were marginal. Have you heard how much Young is willing to spend? He did a lot of adds in the primaries and that worries me. If only Hankins would have won it, it would be safe D without a doubt.  Hill will survive though, he has faced tougher contest before and he is used to it.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Once again, I can't comment on what I don't know.
I believe you that Julia Carson was a nice lady, but I wouldn't know myself because she died before I moved here. My main gripe with her is that she abused her power for Andre's sake on multiple occasions, so Andre is pretty much useless as a result now that IN-07 is pretty much stuck with him. Just as Evan Bayh is no Birch Bayh, Andre Carson is no Julia Carson.

Peterson? Ugh. He'd be the Pete Visclosky of Central Indiana if he ever got in. (You know before he was mayor, he was Evan Bayh's chief of staff and protege, right?) I'd say that his loss was a blessing if it hadn't resulted in total schmuck Greg Ballard running the city into the ground for the past 4 years, and if it weren't likely that the equally slimy and barely qualified Malina Kennedy (Peterson's protege and deputy mayor) wasn't going to be the next mayor after Greg the Village Idiot. Somehow, even though there's change in this city, nothing ever changes.

I've been represented by ethically comparable or worse than Carson in the past (I've lived in Denny Rehberg and David Wu's districts) and I really want to like Carson because of his generally good voting record, but it's like he's going out of his way to make it difficult for me.

As for Young again, "moneybags kid from Carmel who moved down here to try to buy a seat in Congress when he could've probably stayed home and knocked off Dan Burton instead"....well, the ads for Hill just write themselves.  


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Yeah
I have heard some bad things about Paterson as well and hope you guys get someone decent in 2011. I heard that Kathy Davis was considering it, I do not know much about her but she has to be better than Ballard. You make some great points about Young and I am probably being a bit pessimistic about it as Hill has faced much more competitive races before.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Indianapolis Mayor
I'd be suprised if Kathy Davis ran.  I don't at all dislike her/would definately consider supporting her, but she's not a terribly "political" person.  The two names I hear more often than not are Melina Kennedy (who gave Carl Brizzi a real run for his money in the prosecutors race last time), and the person I would tend to most favor, Joanne Sanders.  She's the Democratic leader on the County Council, was the only Democrat to win county-wide in the wipe out election of 2007, and has a background in organized labor.

I don't hate Greg Ballard at all -- I've met him on a few occasions, and think he's a very nice man who wants to do some of the right things, but both is in over his head as a politician/administrator and doesn't want to spend money on anything.  


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lol
It looks like you are right, click this link.

http://www.indems.org/pr/-/lon...

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Potential Republicans for Indiana Governor
What Republicans are rumored to be interested in running for governor of Indiana in 2012 and what do you think of the potential candidates?  Can Bayh transfer money from his Senate campaign account to a run for governor?

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If
Bayh runs then I doubt a lot of people will be very interested because he will undoubtedly win. Becky Skillman has all but said she is running. Pence will likely run for Governor or Senate but I doubt he runs for gov if Bayh does. Attorney General Zoeller could be interested and Treasurer Mourdock might be as well. I have nothing against Skillman but she has no chance of beating Bayh, I do not care if Mitch has eighty percent approval ratings or not. Pence could give Bayh a run for his money but I think he would rather run for Senate where he would have a much better shot. Zoeller will likely seek a second term and I doubt he would throw AG away for an unlikely shot at the governship. Mourdock will not be up for election so it would be a free run that could improve his profile statewide but like Skillman he would not provide that much threat. Bayh can transfer money for a gubernatorial run and has much more than he needs to win. I would not be superised if the GOP nominates some unknown state senator or something if no one likes there prospects against Bayh.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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These all sound about right

In particular I'm feeling very confident about IN-08, but it's definitely going to be close.

The Senate race is going to be tight, too, but I think the contrast between Ellsworth and Coats (in age, profile, etc.) is going to win it for us.

I have to say, though, I'm starting to feel nervous about the Ninth, my home district. I've posted on here before (I think) downplaying Young's chances, in fact, I thought he'd lose the primary to Sodrel, but now I'm starting to wonder if we might be underestimating him a little. Maybe I'm just nervous at the prospect of a Republican that isn't Dick Lugar being one of my federal representatives (oh noes!).

 

Well, then again, Young did do his thing saying Social Security is a "Ponzi scheme"...

 

Offhand note: I've seen more signs for now-defeated LaRouchite primary challenger Johnson-Smith then I've seen for Hill. 



Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

Where
do you live? I never saw anything about her and it astonished me how she did as well as she did. Do you have any insight on how she got nine percent? I have still seen a few signs up for Hankins myself even though the primary was long ago. Young does slightly scare me, he is a flawed candidate but he stands a legitimate shot for sure.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I live out in Crawford County
That is, one of the sparsely populated parts of the district where nothing goes on. (I kid, we've actually been rather swingy lately in federal elections)

I have to admit, I'm not very involved in local politics, so I don't have any real ideas to Johnson-Smith's semi-presence out here. I believe she was based from Corydon, though, and she ran strongest in Harrison, so maybe it was a bit of a regional advantage, such as it was.

Really my point was that Hill seems virtually non-existent in the 'sign war' so far. I went out to Georgetown in Floyd County a few days ago and Young has this huge one up right by the interstate, for example, and the yard signs are popping up too. I think Young is definitely getting the local base ginned up, for what it's worth.

On the other hand, I don't get to the other parts of the Ninth a whole lot, so my expertise is a little shallow, heh.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09


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Hey Neighbor!
I didn't know I had a Crawford boy on my hands. I live in  Harrison County myself and I did not even know she was from there. Learn something new everyday I suppose. The sign in Georgetown, was it in front of a that rather large house by the interstate that has a lot of cars in it with a beauty salon inside? I will make sure and look tomorrow, I know the people that live there and they are hardcore activist so that would explain that one. I have not noticed a lot of signs myself but I have not been paying a lot of attention to the matter. Let me ask you something, did you put out an Obama sign last year? I tried but every night it was stolen. I ended up keeping it inside during the night, did you have that problem at all? I got a tip from someone that a guy was paying some kids a couple bucks per sign they got. Unbelievable I know.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Yeah, I believe that's where it is
Although the last time I was actually up by that building it was (I think) a yarn store? That's been a few years, though, so it's probably a salon now.

I didn't bother with an Obama sign last cycle for precisely that reason. I had heard theft was a real problem, particularly in areas like ours, but I'd never heard about somebody actually paying for the signs to be stolen, which is just petty. Not terribly surprising, though. I'm thinking about putting out one for Ellsworth, this time around. I figure it's more likely to stay, what with Dale Peterson out there nowadays putting the problem of lawn sign theft into the public consciousness and all.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09


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I
think you will be fine with an Ellsworth sign. The ones I had for Hill and local pols never got touched last year. I think the people who got the teens to do it were the local white supremacist groups. I know I talked to Barbara Black, Harrison D chair, and she said they were probably responsible for all of those sign's that said "Osama" with the communist symbol on it. It is sad to think that we have those people in our community but some people will never change. I know you will think I am nuts but I honestly considered filling my gun with blanks and waiting for the kids just to spook them. Boy I would scare the heck out of them, but there is always the chance they have guns with actual bullets and I took the sensible approach of just putting my sign in my garage at night. Don't tell Dale Peterson though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Indiana Nazis: I hate those guys
I'm sorry, I couldn't help myself. Hehe.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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lol
BTW Sorry you live in Crawford County, you must be the smartest person there. JK.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Crawford isn't that bad!
There's a couple of caves, a car engine factory, and... an. Um. Uhh... I'm out of ideas.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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We
are home to the first state capitol, suck it! We also have a very nice Wal Mart supercenter. Yeah I don't know about you but if I ever want to "do anything" it involves going out to Louisville.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Hehe
Well, English doesn't have one of those nice old-fashioned courthouse centered town squares like old town Corydon those. Always been a little envious, you all have the better county seat by far.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Excellent Overview
You really know your stuff, Hoosierdem. I just a few questions that I hope you can answer:
1. If Pete Visclosky really is corrupt and a sleazeball is there a popular state rep. in his district who can successfully primary him next cycle?
2. If the Republicans do win the statehouse this year how does that effect Mitch Daniels? There seems to be a boomlet among Washington Republicans for a Daniels2012 campaign. Would he rather stay in Indianapolis to finish out his term with no checks against his policies?
3. Pence does seem like a relatively savvy guy to have made it to number 3 in the Republican leadership, but he's always  seemed a bit daft whenever I've seen him on cable. Is he really as formidable as you say?
Thanks, again I think you're doing yeoman's work in this in depth analysis of your home state.

20, Ind, PA-14

My take on your questions
1 -- I think it's going to take something along the lines of a criminal conviction to dislodge Peter Visclosky from his seat (and I don't know if what he's done rises to that level).  He's very well liked in the district, and Lake County has perhaps the most corrupt politics in the entire country.  Sadly, people have come to expect very little from their elected officials there when it comes to ethics.

2 -- I don't think Daniels runs for President, and there is no way he'll ever run for Senate (he likes being the boss too much).  The House Dems, and Speaker Bauer, are the only real effective breaks on Daniels doing whatever he wants, and I think he'd push a bold agenda (which would probably include selling off/privatizing everything not bolted down) in his last couple of years.

3 -- I agree that Mike Pence is that formidable.  He runs good campaigns, and is well thought of in his district, even by people far less conservative than he is.


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Thanks
IndianaProgressive provided a good analysis above about your questions as well.

    Pete Visclosky district is very blue so there are definitely a good assortment of candidates, but I am not very familiar with the area so I do not know anyone in particular. His district is right outside Chicago so they are very familiar with corrupt politicians, in fact his predecessor was also corrupt and was arrested for mail fraud. He is fairly entrenched but I still have hope that someone will take the challenge and his constituents will not be stupid. However they could be that stupid I do not know.

    Do you remember how everyone was harping on about Al Gore running in 2008? Well I think that will be what is like with Daniels in 2012, and I seriously doubt he actually runs. The state house has a say in redistricting so it would be nice to retain that chamber, I do worry that Daniels would get more aggressive if Bauer is not there.

     Pence is a good politician there is no getting around it. He is also loved by libertarians and tea party types yet still does not come off as crazy like Bachman or others. He is very ambitious and his leadership in the house would give him access to a lot of money for a Senate run. He is a very formidable candidate should he wish to leave the house.


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


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Just to Clairfy
The Democrats have not nominated an SoS Candidate. The Democrat Convention is Saturday June 26th, and it is between Vop Osili and Tom McKenna. Vop was born in Niagara like one person said, but Vop was not his  name, he changed it to make it stand for Voice Of the People (VOP) He openly says his name stands for that on his website. I am sure Jackie Walorski does not own any Car Dealerships, the name Wacky Jackie was tagged to her by huffington post article because of her beliefs.  

Thanks,
like I said I have not followed the SoS race at all. Can you tell me who is the best candidate of the two? Do we (Dems) stand a good chance in November? I am not sure why I thought Jackie owned a car dealership and did not know about the huff po article either. Thank you very much and I fixed those mistakes.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I am not sure
Between Vop Or Tom. Becuase of The Natural Lean R of Indiana I think it will be hard for either candidate to win. I remember in 2002 When the Democrat Candidate has 1.3mil. to spend on the Race and Rokita had almost not money because of the tough convention and Republicans still won. It would take a lot for the Democrats to win I think.

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Correction
Should say Rokita had almost no money

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Indiana=Gerrymandertastic!
Holy cow I was just looking closely at the congressional districts....this congressional map...it has to be a Republican gerrymander, right?

Democrats are packed into the 1st and 7th, only the 2nd and maybe the 9th look remotely designed to be competitive... and even there Republicans have built-in advantages. And all 5 of the other districts (3,4,5,6 & 8) should be safe Republican (and they would be if it weren't for Brad Ellsworth). I know Indiana's a fairly conservative state, but five seats that basically should be completely out of reach, with just 2 Dem seats and two swingy but R-leaning ones? If this isn't a Republican gerrymander, were the Democrats who agreed to this map high?

Does anyone know the backstory to the redistricting? And assuming it was a gerrymander and Republicans were going for the kill, anyone know why they didn't try harder to screw Hill by removing liberal Bloomington from his district (putting it into the 4th or 6th, which are conservative enough to absorb it?) Did they think they'd done enough to get rid of him?

...oh, and Hoosierdem, love the diary, I feel all caught up on Indiana politics now. :)

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


No
We made the plan I think. Democrat Frank O'Bannon was Governor during redistricting and we had control of the state house but not the senate. Redistricting is controlled by the state house and senate with the Governor having the power to veto. It is hard to believe that in the early nineties we held eight out of the ten districts.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Not quite
Let's look at it from the perspective of 2001.  Gore got just 56% in IN-1 and IN-7.  If we removed Democrats from these districts, we would have had a swing district.  If you look at the four safe GOP districts, IN 3,4,5,6, Gore got 33,32,30,and 40% in these 4 districts, and Kerry got 31,30,28, and 35.  That looks like a Democratic gerrymander to me.

Of course, things changed in 2008.  Obama got 71% in IN-7, which makes it look like Democratic votes were packed there. And Obama got 43,43,40,46 in the safe GOP districts.  But one needs to remember that from the perspective of 2001, you needed that packing to keep the district safe.



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I don't think your predictions can come true in an anti-Democratic wave nationally......
If Ellsworth, Hill, and Van Haaften really all win, then we're looking at minimal losses in the House and Senate.

There's nothing special about Indiana that immunizes it from a national wave.  If anything, the state leans slightly conservative and is a slightly tougher nut to crack than average even in an anti-Republican national wave.  Your state's Democrats were phenomenal the past two cycles with the 3 House seat pickups and Obama winning the state.

But man, if Indiana performs as well as you predict this November, we're in for a great night.

But I just don't see that happening.  I'm guessing Ellsworth loses, as does at least one of the two between Van Haaften and Hill.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


It comes down to the candidates
I could see Ellsworth beating Coats even in bad year because of Coats' baggage and Ellsworth running a good campaign.  I could see Van Haaften and Hill winning simply because they are better candidates than the opposition.

I'm not saying that it will happen, and if there really is a very bad anti-Dem wave it probably won't happen, but there is no question IMO that these three candidates are much better than the GOP opposition.


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Exactly
Candidates and campaigns matter. Just ask Governor Jill Long Thompson.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Respectfully Disagree
One race does not predict how every other race will go. I mean you can't just say will we might win Indiana that also means we win all of our tossups or we lost a D+5 district that means most every district below should be lost as well. No,it does not work that way, in 1994 you saw many surprise Democratic wins were they were not supposed to. I do not mean to say 2010 will be 1994 by any means. I do not think 2010 will be a great year for us, but candidates matter, and writing Indiana off because of a "national wave" is far off base.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I made exactly your argument elsewhere, but you're not talking about one race here......
You're saying Ellsworth, Van Haaften, and Hill all win.  In addition to the other Democratic incumbents who are less endangered.

I agree completely with everyone in your comment, but I think the argument falls down when you're saying all the Democrats who could lose will win.  I don't think they can all win on a day there's a national anti-Democratic wave; I think in that scenario, one of them almost certainly will lose.

In contrast, in StephenCLE's House predictions diary, he picked Alan Grayson to survive but Suzanne Kosmas and Alan Boyd to go down.  I praised him on that, because, indeed, it's plausible.  And even if he'd picked 2 of the 3 to win, I'd say that's plausible.  But if he picked every Florida Democratic incumbent to win, then I would've said that can't happen on a day we lose dozens of seats......and Stephen picked us to lose 2 of those in a scenario where we lose only 25 seats net, and only 29 gross!

I won't say your scenario is absolutely positively definitely impossible, but if Indiana Democrats do as well as you're predicting on a night we come close to losing the House, or actually lose it, then people will be talking about Indiana later and studying why it bucked the trend......it will stand out in the discussion.  And I don't see in advance why Indiana should stand out.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Um, shoulda proofread! My first sentence in my second parragraph above...
...should've said "I agree with everyTHING in your comment..."

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Fair point
and I am probably being a bit optimistic, as you can imagine it is hard to write a race off. We could lose one, two or all three. I think all will be decided by fairly close margins but I think it will be a fairly good night for us all the same.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Good analysis
I think your outcomes are plausible, despite Indiana's natural R lean and in what looks to be a favorable cycle for Republicans. The reason I believe this is due to the quality of candidates in the seats in play: IN-Sen, IN-8, and IN-9; and that in the end all politics is local, which can overcome hyped, or realized, national trends.

On the other hand I could see all three being lost by heart-breaking razor-thin margins, but with that said, I don't see any large decisive wins either way in these races at this early point.

Democrat: TN-8


Thanks
I agree. It will not be an easy race, I will not hide this fact, and I could see it go the other way. It will not be easy but I think Coats is such a good target and Ellsworth is a far superior candidate and candidates and campaigns matter. The campaign has really yet to begin yet, wait for Ellsworth to hit the airwaves and get his message out there. It will not be a blowout on either side but for anyone to just assume that it is going to be lost this early out is ridiculous.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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This is going to hinge on the campaign Ellsworth runs more than anything else
It's going to be a largely Republican year, and Indiana is still a largely Republican state ... but if he raises the money and runs a good campaign, I think Ellsworth will win by the few points you pick him to (although I think the libertarian could do better than what you predict).

This all revolves around Coats being a TERRIBLE candidate. He looks old and crabby.  I mean, have you ever met ANYONE who says they are actually excited that he's running?


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True
I saw Coats at an event and he was so boring. I practically fell asleep, and I can watch hours of CSPAN with the utmost attention. It all depends on how Ellsworth campaigns. He is already leading in the fundraising front I know.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I could see all of that playing out
I think the 2nd District is going to be very very close though.  I am from the 2nd district and if anyone can get a huge following and a lot of attention it is her. I could be wrong though. Also, with the 8th I know Larry almost lost his primary, but I just think he will come out on top because of his lack of positions. Republicans will attempt to label Trent on his votes in the Indiana House. Larry is a heart surgeon and doesn't really have anything to hit him with, except his one comment about social security. I just think Trent has more baggage and that will hurt him this year. I agree on Ellsworth , and that coats has to much baggage.  

What baggage?
It's not like he was some flame-throwning liberal.  He's a former prosecutor and now state rep. from Posey County.  If he wasn't a socially conservative Democrat, he wouldn't have won the elections he has.  Unless I'm missing something, I think he'll be just fine running on his record and experience.

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His Ties
To AT&T Where they Paid thousands of dollars for him to go to golf outings in Texas, while he authored bills for them in the General Assembly.  He was also against Major Moves, which is now building the I-69 which  is partly in the 8th.  

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Since there seem to be a lot of active Hooisers here
Do you all have any Indiana-centric political blogs you'd recommend? Most of the ones I read right now are pretty focused on Indianapolis and Marion County action and don't really cover much in other regions or do much statewide commentary. I know there's Blue Indiana, but that one's not terribly active and mostly focuses on attacking Dan Coats lately.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

Two that are always good for me are:
http://www.blueindiana.net/

That is the place Ellsworth got in a little trouble live blogging.

http://howeypolitics.com/index...

I assume you already know about Howey though.


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


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