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FL-Sen, FL-Gov: Crist, McCollum Hold Slim Leads (And Dockery Quits)

by: James L.

Tue May 25, 2010 at 12:13 PM EDT


Ipsos Public Affairs for the St. Petersburg Times/Miami Herald (5/22-24, registered voters):

Charlie Crist (I): 30
Kendrick Meek (D): 15
Marco Rubio (R): 27
Undecided: 23
(MoE: ±4%)

We've seen our share of Florida polls this cycle, but with a three-way Senate race and weirdo gazillionaires forcing themselves into the Republican gubernatorial primary and the Democratic Senatorial primary, it's always worth it to take a look at this freak state.

Ipsos lends another piece of weight behind the evidence that suggests that Crist is beginning his independent bid for Senate with a slight lead on Rubio thanks in part to significant support from Democratic voters. Crist leads Meek by 38-33 among Democrats, while trailing Rubio by 51-26 among Republicans. Crist also manages to clean up among independents, earning 39% of their votes to only 12% for Rubio and 7% for Meek. I still have to wonder if Crist's 26% among Republicans may represent something of a high-water mark, given that his campaign is now aggressively attempting to eat Meek's lunch. Still, Crist will always have Meek's presence on the ballot as a foil, and maybe that fact alone will help him retain some conservative-leaning votes that he might have otherwise lost.

Also interesting is the fact that Crist's veto of a controversial teacher "merit pay" bill appears to be a political winner, with voters supporting Crist's decision by a 53-29 margin. Of more immediate concern is that, by a 55-31 margin, voters want Crist to veto a bill that would require women seeking abortions to undergo ultrasounds at their own expense. That number includes a 47-40 plurality among Republicans, and a massive 72-26 spread among indies. This really looks like a no-brainer for Crist if he's looking to score some easy moderate cred.

Meanwhile, check out the Dem primary numbers:

Kendrick Meek (D): 33
Maurice Ferre (D): 10
Jeff Greene (D): 9
Undecided: 41
(MoE: ±6.5%)

Meek at 33% is some truly weak stuff by this point.

The gube race:

Alex Sink (D): 32
Bill McCollum (R): 34
Undecided: 26
(MoE: ±4%)

After seeing McCollum lead Sink by wide-ish margins for months, I'll take results like these. Sink manages to hold together Democrats almost as well as McCollum retains Republican support, while splitting independents down by the middle by 26-26. Not too shabby, if accurate.

Finally, we have the Republican gubernatorial primary:

Bill McCollum (R): 46
Rick Scott (R): 22
Paula Dockery (R): 3
Undecided: 25
(MoE: ±6.1%)

I'd like to see chrome-domed creep Rick Scott pull even closer, but I'll accept numbers like these for the time being. State Sen. Paula Dockery, meanwhile, has finally seen the writing on the wall, and pulled the plug on her pathetic campaign yesterday. Let's hope she endorses Scott!

James L. :: FL-Sen, FL-Gov: Crist, McCollum Hold Slim Leads (And Dockery Quits)
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Very large undecideds for everything.
I have to wonder how the numbers would differ if these undecides were pressed more strongly to make a choice.

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Meek
Meek's presence in the race is important for Sink's chances in the governor's race.  So even if he costs Crist support, it's worth it.

Very interesting analysis
It's this kind of commentary that keeps me coming back here. I don't think that kind of comment would come from the purveyors of "conventional wisdom" anywhere.

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--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
So are the netroots hoping that Crist wins?
We all know that the Republicans adore Rubio and the moderate squishes like Crist, but I wonder what the diehard Democrats think about this race. You can't possibly be hopeful about Meek's chances, can you?

Re:
Crist is better than Rubio.  Meek is better than Crist.  If it can't be Meek, then let it be Crist.  I imagine some Florida Democrats will wait until the last set of polls before deciding whether to jump to Crist.

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It depends
We'd rather have Meek than Crist. However if it looks like Meek can't win and Rubio can then we'll support Crist. If, around Election Day, it looks like Rubio will get 40% of the vote then liberals need to get behind Crist to stop Rubio from winning. However if it looks like Rubio will only get 30% of the vote then liberals should support Meek to help him get the plurality.

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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I think Meek is looking awfully weak......
I was surprised after Crist flipped how much Democratic support fled to him.  Crist actually got a bounce for switching to indy, when I expected at best he'd tread water, with a plausible chance of immediately tanking.

Meek just isn't taken seriously by rank-and-file Democratic voters down there.  I think the fact that such a large percentage of Democratic voters are black and Hispanic makes his poor polling even more alarming.

So as much as I would be thrilled by Senator Meek, I've become increasingly pessimistic he's got any real path to victory.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Meek
Well, Rubino's the only one who's Hispanic.  And the polling may be underestimating the black turnout.  Still a long way to go and a lot can change.

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Rubio isn't polling well with Hispanics to impact the Democratic base......
Given that so many Florida Hispanics are Cuban Republicans like Rubio himself, we have to judge Rubio's performance with Hispanics differently than in other states.  The question is whether he's doing better with Hispanics than a Republican normally would, and the crosstabs I've seen in poll after poll tell me the answer is NO.  And that means he's not cutting into the Democratic base at all.

So I don't think Rubio is hurting Meek with Democrats.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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...and I left out the other important part of the analysis......
Crist is going to have a plausible path to victory as long as his job approvals hold up.

That's what's really underpinned his strength since he became an indy, the fact that his job approval remains in the 50s!  And he has tripartisan support, with Republicans still giving him approval in the 40s and Dems and indies in the 50s or 60s!  This isn't just this new poll, I've seen the same thing in the crosstabs of virtually all polling, even Rasmussen.

As long as Crist remains a well-liked Governor among so many voters, he's going to have a real chance to win.  And, frankly, Meek, rather than Crist, might prove to end up more spoiler than contender.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I suspect as well
that Crist's switch to Indy has given all the Democrats who found him impressive as Governor but didn't like that he was a Republican some validation:  "He's like us after all!"

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I think
if Crist wants the support of Daily Kos, DFA, MoveOn.org, he's going to have to come out in support for the health care bill, or do a Mark Critz and say he wouldn't of voted for it, but won't support repealing it. I hate to say it, but the netroots cannot stay neutral here, unless they want a Senator Rubio down in Florida. It wouldn't hurt if Crist heads down to Netroots Nation and let's the audience question him on ANYTHING, no filtering of questions, no double speak.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Someone alluded to a Sink endorsement
By all accounts he didn't get on with McCollum even when he was still a GOP favorite.

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Id guess 99.99% not a chance
Very selective, and a former Republican would never make the list.

And Meek is still pretty unknown statewide, Crist's support will drop when he starts airing ads and people see there is a Democrat in the race.  However, he may want to start that sooner that he thought because people are going to write him off for dead and it'll become that way.


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And I do think Crist will go to balls to wall
in trying to get Dem votes.  He's probably really moderate and is just going with what would win; which isnt necessarily bad, if you can change your ideology to get the win, well that ideology is what won and that's that.  So I wont completely knock him for that, and I suspect he wishes he'd just switched the Democrats before Meek really racked up the dough and got big wigs like Bill Clinton behind him heavily.

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What is Charlie Crist so moderate on?
He stood up against flood insurance companies in his state?  I'm sure we could find examples of even Haley Barbour doing that.  We're not talking about Jim Jeffords here folks, we're probably looking at someone to the right of George Voinovich, am I wrong?  

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Crist endorsement
Has Crist endorsed in the gov race?  Could that help Sink if he endorsed her?  Why has Sink sort of plateued?

I know FL has an R tilt, but I thought Sink was a pretty good candidate, and this is the closest I've seen her to McCollum and she's still down.


Guess that is at least possible


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Is this the first poll
Is this the first poll post-Rekers scandal?  I'm wondering if that hurt him at all because McCollum came out of that looking like a) an idiot  b) a homophobe  and (probably worst of all)  c) like he treats taxpayer money like Monopoly money

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

I like the monopoly reference
Over $100k for 2-3 hours worth of work where they didnt even need to prepare, just get up on the stand and spew non-factual information.

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Path to victory?
We know Crist is pulling a limited number of GOP voters based on the primary polls and his decision to run as independent. If his strength continues, he will take enough Democratic votes to keep Meek from winning. If Meek shores up the Democratic base, he will still be running 2nd to Rubio. What exactly is Meek's path to victory here?

I'll make a bold statement
He doesn't have one. Especially since this whiff of corruption attached itself to him. But really, even before that, he had never gotten traction.

The winner of this race will be either Rubio or Crist. And between the two, it's pretty damn clear who liberals (and, for that matter, conservatives) should prefer. Moderates will presumably decide the election.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I dont think there is any path to victory
Rubio will get all the conservatives and that will be enough against Crist and Meek splitting liberal and liberal-leaning swing voters.

Meek should just drop out and go back to his House seat.  Doesnt he have someone keeping it warm anyway if he loses?  Filing deadline has passed anyway so couldnt the Dems just go, we wont be filling in the line since he dropped out, have his place holder drop out, get his old seat back via however they replace a dropped out candidate or Im sure he can win a write-in easily enough in that district as well.


[ Parent ]
I agree with that first paragraph,
the second doesn't seem likely or plausibly though. A major party should not leave a Senate slot blank.

I think Crist has peaked and is on the way down from here, albeit perhaps slower than his first 'fall'.


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