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Meet the Arkansas GOP

by: ArkDem the Ragin Cajin

Wed Sep 02, 2009 at 11:42 AM EDT


Now people wonder why Arkansas Democrats do so well? Well it's quite frankly because all the state's Republicans are utter radicals, I mean true radicals. Many Arkansas state Democrats are actually fairly standard Republicans, like State Sen. Bob Johnson, but they are not in the Republican party because it has such a radicalized base.

In Arkansas being a Republican pretty much, with occasional exceptions, means being a radical. We've already seen Kim Hendren, a State Senator, dismiss Schumer as that "Jew" and State Republicans defend him on the blogosphere. We've seen the craziness of Jim Holt and Asa Hutchinson, (Hutchinson by the way, spent most of his time as a drug Czar trying to prosecute 80 year old women in California for medicinal uses of Marijuana). They are too conservative and they have a passion for hypocrisy and bigotry like no others, I remember recently Paul Greenburg of the Democrat-Gazette criticized, yes, criticized Gay Rights opponents for listing how to contact lawmakers who supported it on a website and in the same sentence he managed to include bigotry in the form of "the traditional definition of marriage" as a legitimate reason to deny tax paying citizens equal legal rights. Such blatant reason-twisting logic is what Greenburg is famous for, famous for finding ways to criticize any liberal group while being a huge proponent and apologist for the Conservatives, he makes his God-Given goal to promote conservatism in the Gazette.  

ArkDem the Ragin Cajin :: Meet the Arkansas GOP
Now I would like to you all to meet the new highly touted GOP candidate, State Sen. Gilbert Baker. Sounds like they have a good candidate right? They finally found a sensible one, I mean good relations with some conservative Democrats, a good statewide profile as former Chairman of the State GOP, (and he did a wonderful job, losing all statewide offices including the two they already held, failing to pick up Senate Seats they should have picked up, and losing 7 house seats to be relegated to 26 seat minority in the 100 member AR-State House, though they have since gained one or two of those back).

But so he has more experience, he's been in the limelight, can speak without sounding like an idiot or devolving into racial epithets, can raise money, has the connections, sounds good right? And he's two points ahead in early polling despite being known to only 25% of the population.

Well not so good when the campaigning starts. First off he did piss off a lot of people in Republican bastion Benton County when back in 2006 he back-stabbed moderate Republican State Senator Dave Bisbee, (a frequent ally of Huckabee who was instrumental in getting compromises passed in the Senate), over what was ostensibly purity reasons. It was an interesting case where many Democrats were supporting Bisbee and a select group of Republicans came in to help get a possibly more conservative Democrat the position, with Baker leading this. In the process he cost Benton County a Co-Chair of the Budget Committee, (Bisbee had to resign), and he all around screwed them over influence wise. So yes, whatever some people may say, I know for a fact many people in Benton got pissed off permanently at Baker and Bisbee certainly will not be helping him.

Second, (things get better as I go along), the University of Central Arkansas, in his hometown of Conway, is in the midst of what has been described as the biggest scandal in state government in a decade, and while he is not in charge or involved even being connected to UCA is enough to cost a person 2-4 points in the polling right now, so toxic an issue it has become with voters.

But that's all tame little stuff, normal political stuff, that's pretty much what you expect to come up as a minimum when someone goes after a higher office.

This isn't, the next issue is revolting and disturbing and it will be the key issue Lincoln should make:

Recently, Baker sent out a press release claiming the issue of women's rights is one he takes "seriously". However, in 2005 Gilbert Baker asked the 1st Division Faulkner County Circuit Court for "leniency and mercy" for a campaign worker of Baker's who repeatedly beat his female victim, held a knife to her throat, smothered her until she threw up, and  using a cigarette lighter burned her multiple times.

Baker testified repeatedly as a character witness to help the defendant, also an elected Republican constable. The defendant was accused of rape, and convicted of kidnapping and assault against a Faulkner County woman. According to Circuit Court documents, Baker testified twice for the man, after knowing the horrible facts of the case and even admitted the defendant had "done wrong."

Meet Gilbert Baker, Republican Candidate for Arkansas Senate, also a Character Witness for people who violently rape women.

Please have the sense not to vote for Lincoln and let a deranged conservative in, if you live in AR.

P.S. Please vote in the poll, even if you don't care, I use it as a counter to determine readership. Just as a courtesy even vote, so I have some proof I'm not talking to a brick wall.

Poll
Would you vote for Blanche Lincoln over Baker?
Yes.
No.
Maybe.
I like character witnesses of men accused of rape.

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That's Pretty Shocking
Defending someone for raping women. I don't understand how that would be a conservative value.

In a state where Mike Huckabee is the most sensible politician, no wonder this party hasn't gotten anywhere in this state for like the last 30 years. How about John Boozeman? Isn't he the Congressman from Northwestern Arkansas? Is he as crazy as the rest of them?


Ah John Boozeman
when he ran his only prior experience was being State Fair Director one year. He came from a wealthy political family, his brother, Fay Boozeman, (Lincoln's 1998 opponent), was the real politician, I always wondered why he did not run. In any event I believe Fay died in a car accident in 2006. He was at the time Secretary of Health and Human Services under Huckabee.

John Boozeman is quit conservative, but Democrats don't win the rural areas of AR-03 like Clinton did in 74. Instead, what was then the most Republican county, Fort Smith, has drifted towards them, the rural areas when far right, and Washington County is being torn between this upper class, racist sort of mega-church white population like you see in most wealthy suburbs, and on the other hand the liberal college environ and of course the huge ex-hippie population, (locals call Fayetteville Fayettenam). So the margin there is small for Dems, and Benton is about as far right as they come. Boozeman is fairly quiet though, you don't hear too much about him.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Racist, megachurch folks
I live in an area with alot of upper middle class/wealthy megachurch folks and they are definitely not racist. Actually very racially tolerant. And i use to be an Evangelical/born again christian myself and was quite active in the 'online Evangelical community' and dont even recall seeing any racism. Now the deep south, lower middle class, rural Southern Baptists...obviously there are many racists amongst them. But amongst educated, suburban, upper middle class/wealthy megachurch christians...they are pretty racially tolerant. Now gay rights...well thats a whoooole different story.

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And Islamophobia
Also runs very high in the Evangelical megachurch crowd. To the point where many are suspicious of even moderate Muslims. But they are not, i would say, racist against Arabs or Pakistanis, etc. Just very, very anti-Islamic.  

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After all
Joseph Farrah is a prominent Arab Christian at Worldnetdaily and beloved by the Religious Right, i think.

[ Parent ]
these people tend to be
anti-arab in general since 9/11 and certainly anti-hispanic.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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Southern Baptists and other Protestant Churches in the South
Every church is different.  I know, because I've attended several, either as a member or as a visitor.  Preachers and leaders of the church try to insert influence over their members.  Some of the influence can be good (my church provides volunteers to the inner-city schools, feed the hungry, etc.) and some of the influence is destructive (damning gay marriage).

The Southern Baptist Church that I was a former member of (I'm now a Methodist--I can speak to you at a liquor store!)  was a church that embodies hypocrisy.  The church would condemn gay marriage, suppress women from speaking out, engage useless politics on assisting the needy, etc.  Some of the members were outright racists.  They would tell everyone that they love everybody, but then they would give a gift under the Christmas tree for a needy kid with a note that says the gift should only go to a white kid.

I'm all for the freedom of religion, but many of the preachers have the same power over their members as Jim Jones did back in the 1970's.  I'm lucky that I attend a church that is actually uplifting and now detrimental to my brain cells.  If these professed spiritual leaders would actually concentrate on improving the welfare of the Nation instead of being a detriment to society, the South would be much more moderate.  


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I guess it's more of a Southern thing
I live in NJ, so I never see megachurches except for when I'm out of state. But some of my relatives in Wisconsin are evangelical Christians who go to megachurches; that doesn't bother me, as long as we don't talk religion. But I wouldn't call them racists at all; my cousin, who is a megachurch-going evangelical white man, married a black woman this summer.  

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Not all megachurches are the same
Essentially, they take on the personality of the leader of the congregation.  Some of them reach out to those who do not attend church, who may be more comfortable at a larger church (where they can feel anonymous.)  Others are more of the "indoctrinating" type.

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NC Megachurches
Some of our megachurches tend to be more non-denominational and more open to all people, regardless of race.  Some of my black friends at work attend a megachurch in Raleigh, and they say that the church is somewhat in line with the demographics of the area.  They tell me that many of the white members tend to be very conservative, but very friendly.  I'm personally not comfortable when I've attended a megachurch in the past.  I always feel there is a certain "herd mentality" at these churches, with people ready to blindly follow the spiritual leaders.

I prefer my more moderate church where the members won't condemn me for drinking a beer at a local restaurant...


[ Parent ]
Mike Huckabee was a usually good guy
He helped lead Democrats over conservative mud-throwing flack on immigration and raising the state minimum wage, (when national Republicans refused to do so in 2005). He was also genuinely interested in reform of the state education system and cutting back corruption. His focus on social issues was not as high as you would assume and his vitriol that is now seen was non-existent at the time.

Though to be fair on education he did royally bungle it, even though his intentions were good, one reason Jimmie Lou Fisher was able to make a close race on him in 2002, (that and Jimmie Lou and Mike Huckabee were both two of the most likable and personally loved politicians imaginable).  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Thoughts?
I'm sorry but I'm not as finely tuned on Arkansas Politics as a I once was.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

Sounds a bit like Tennessee
The Tennessee GOP has been a bit more successful, largely because of the residual solid Republican vote over in East Tennessee (most of the Republican pols who have been successful have been from that part of the state: Lamar Alexander, Bob Corker.)  But the Tennessee GOP is also very far right, while most Tennessee Dems basically vote like standard Republicans.  The suburban areas around Memphis and Nashville are heavily GOP in all elections, but most of the rural areas in West and Middle Tennessee still vote Dem from Congressman on down, because the state GOP is so ridiculous.  It's why Tanner and Gordon get desultory opposition most years despite districts that are trending Republican at the national level.

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Nice rundown
That part about the rapist strikes me as the kind of thing that could torpedo a statewide candidacy.

Glad to have you back, ArkDem! Your absence has been felt.

Too many have voiced concerns about AR becoming like the rest of the South in terms of R strength. What they forget, and what you showed here, is that the ARGOP is, aside from Huckabee, not viable statewide. It's like WV. They may vote R for president but D for everything else.


Nice post!
Hey ArkDem,

Great post!  

I think there's an error in the sentence: "Please have the sense not to vote for Lincoln and let a deranged conservative in, if you live in AR."  I think you meant to say "Please have the sense to vote for Lincoln and NOT let a deranged conservative in, if you live in AR."

Can you also post a link to the article in which you took the excerpt from please?  I'm interested to read the rest of the story and it will come in handy while exposing this guy on other sites...

Thanks!


damn it, I really need to remember to do that
the first time, lol. I will search for it.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

[ Parent ]
How will the Lincoln campaign effectively educate the electorate about Baker?
Having lived in NC all of my life, we love a good fight.  Whether its Hunt vs. Helms, Gantt vs. Helms (act I and act II), Faircloth vs. Edwards, or Dole vs. Hagen, just about every senate race has a major bloodbath.  In a lot of ways, I think Arkansas loves a good fight, too.  Hell, they had Bill Clinton running for governor in 1978, 1980, 1982, 1984, 1986, and 1990, and from reading Clintons autobiography, just about every race had some major mudslinging among the candidates.

I truly hope Lincoln wins this race.  We need as many Southern Democrats in congress as opposed to the radical politics of Shelby, Chambliss, Vitter, McConnell, Bunning, Burr, and DeMint.  I have a strong feeling that Baker is more aligned with these men as opposed to the more reasonable Southern Republicans like Alexander and Graham.  I've seen the results of these men, and they far outweigh the negatives of a candidate like Lincoln.  Lincoln is not in any stretch of my imagination a diehard progressive, but she beats the hell out of the alternative.

My question:  what is the best strategy for the Lincoln campaign?

I think the poll was pretty generic.  It was almost like asking the voters whether they prefer the generic Democrat or the generic Republican.  


It is time for an Independent who has the Street Creds and Cares
Blanche Lincoln is trying to hang on to her seat and is in such an awkward spot. Her only saving grace is to vote for corporate America interests because they give her the money. With that she hopes she can stem the tide of dissatisfied Arkansans across the state. So far she may be facing a primary challenger and the survivor of the 12 candidates running as the Republican Candidate. They have shown their true colors, by racist comments, elitism and infighting. Not to mention a lack of funding. The winner of that race will join Lincoln, a to be named Green Party Candidate and the Independent Candidate Trevor Drown. With so many independents unhappy in Arkansas, and favoring Drown, a former Green Beret, known as a common man for the people, it will be difficult for Lincoln to spend her way back to Washington. Her only saving grace at this point is to continue to pork up on the contributions and try and spin some kind of story that she really cares for Arkansas. However, there is a point where even too much money becomes obscene and people realize she is bought and paid for. That point is rapidly approaching.

You have convinced me to vote for Trevor Drown.
And I don't even live in Arkansas.  You have convinced me to move to Arkansas to vote for Trevor Drown.

Trevor Drown is the only hope for the next generation of Arkansans, particularly those from them thar hills.


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I'm with you Spiderdem
We need to drop everything...abandon work and family....sell all of our pssessions....forsake our god....and get to work for the second coming...Trevor Drown

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Can I ask a stupid question?
Why in the hell should anyone here believe that a Green candidate member is going to make any inways with Independents in Arkansas (a group which tends to be quite conservative anyways)?

Your go-to source for great sarcasm

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What the Green Party Brings to Arkansas
They have elected the only state legislator in recent history. In the last election, they were the only ones that provided candidates to run against all the congressional races. The GOP didn't even put up one candidate for 5 seats. One senate and four house.

In the US Senate Race the Green Party, Rebecca Kennedy, I believe is her name got 20% of the vote against Pryor. It is not so much that there are a large number of greens. There are a large number of I will vote for anyone that is not part of the two party system. So in a four way race, Green, Democrat (Lincoln), Independent (Drown) and a Republican, it will be an interesting race. Having been to a few events and listening to Drown speak as well as knowing about his background(Green beret, Small Business Owner, Works for UPS, and an Officer in the Arkansas Air Guard), he is about identifying problems, solutions, building bridges, listening to people and trying to make their life better. He is not taking corporate donations, he has no loyalty to either party. He is a common man, who believes in making government efficient and working to make a better life for our children. I think over the next few months you will see him as someone that can make a difference.


You failed to mention one thing
Pryor ran without opposition from the Republican Party. It's pretty easy for a third party to get a relatively high number of votes given that dynamic. Hell, I'm a straight-ticket Democrat and I would've probably voted for Kennedy in Arkansas, given Pryor's conservative record and lack of a Republican challenger (if Pryor had a serious Republican challenger, I doubt Kennedy would've even gotten over 1%).

Richard Carroll, by the way, has switched from being a Green to being a Democrat, which sort of kills that line of argument.

Oh and one other thing, if the Green Party is supposed to have such strength in Arkansas, why is it that Nader's vote in 2000 (when he ran on the Green ticket) was among his worst showings (Nader's Arkansas vote was half that of his national showing).

Your go-to source for great sarcasm


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More importantly
fails to mention that the green party was highly conservative and got really lucky, a great dynamic with the old incumbent getting caught up and having to resign due to scandal, without another opponent.

And Rebbeca Kennedy was fairly conservative too, and most of the votes she picked up were from hardcore conservatives, (look at her strongest counties), and not as you'd suggest disenchanted Democrats.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Actually, the first Green state legislator was elected in California
in 1999 with Audie Bock in an ultra-low turnout special State Assembly election in the last of a series of special election musical chairs. Though afterwards Bock left the Green Party and became an Independent and after losing in 2000, she returned to the Democrats, even looking at primarying Barbara Lee based on Lee's vote against invading Afghanistan.

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Bock was actually fairly conservative
despite been a Green.

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I remember reading somewhere
though I can't find the link, that Carroll was also conservative for a Green.

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And ArkDem's statement above confirms my thoughts.


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[ Parent ]
And there was also a Green legislator in Maine. Don't know how liberal/conservative that one was.


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[ Parent ]
I should also add
It wasn't just low turnout that led to the Green win.  The Dem basically stopped campaigning after his primary win and instead went to Sacramento to start hobnobbing with the other legislators, which came across as very presumptuous. There was also some scandal with him giving chicken dinners to his supporters that I don't remember the details of.  Either way, people were sufficiently turned off that they voted Green, and if I recall correctly, by a fairly decent margin.

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Bock won
with a paper-thin 51-49 margin, though in spite of being outspent 16:1 by her Dem opponent, former assemblyman/Oakland Mayor Elihu Harris. And the fried chicken incident, which occurred in mostly black precincts in the district, led to many accusations of racism in the Harris campaign, though he is black also.

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[ Parent ]
Eh...
The whole "character witness for a violent rapist" thing sounds really bad, but I would guess that most people here would serve as a character witness for a close friend or family member who was accused of a crime, no matter how heinous.  After all, most of us think our friends and family are good people who would not do something like that.  It sounds more like Baker is just doing what a rational person would do if a friend were accused of something like that.

That said, it will probably hurt Baker politically, since even though most Americans think that all criminal defendants deserve a fair trial, in practice a lot of them seem to think things like jury trials, constitutional protections, and that whole idea of "innocent until proven guilty" are pains in the ass that we should do away with.



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