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Redistricting 2011: Colo. & Minnesota

by: Nathaniel90

Sat Apr 25, 2009 at 12:57 AM EDT


I am now on Episode 10 of my redistricting series, if you can believe it! Tonight we cover Colorado and Minnesota. I drew two maps for Minnesota -- one if the Republicans hold Tim Pawlenty's governorship in 2010, and the other if Democrats manage a gerrymandering monopoly. (The Dems have solid state legislative majorities, so that element seems set in stone.)

Previous efforts:
Diary 1: Massachusetts and Texas
Diary 2: Michigan and Nevada
Diary 3: Iowa and Ohio
Diary 4: Georgia and New Jersey
Diary 5: Florida and Louisiana
Diary 6: Pennsylvania and Utah
Diary 7: Illinois and South Carolina
Diary 8: Indiana, Missouri, and Oregon
Diary 9: Alabama, Arizona, and Kentucky

Jump below, if and only if you dare!

Nathaniel90 :: Redistricting 2011: Colo. & Minnesota
Colorado

The process here is fairly straightforward. Whether Democrats hold their current monopoly in 2010 or lose the governor's mansion (the state legislature seems locked-in), incumbent protection will be the name of the game, aimed especially at solidifying Democratic Reps. Betsy Markey and John Salazar (most pointedly the former). Democrats would be foolish to try for a 6-1 majority and no one seems to think they'll try it.

My map definitely solidified Markey without hurting DeGette, Polis, or Perlmutter, but it didn't go as far as I hoped in protecting Salazar (my 3rd remains quite rural and is more of a swing district, but far from strongly Dem-leaning). Given the need to dole out favorable Denver suburbs to Polis, Perlmutter, and Markey, there's little Denver-area turf left to give Salazar. What to do?

Colorado

District 1 - Diana DeGette (D-Denver) -- all of Denver and 19% of Arapahoe preserves a solidly liberal district.

District 2 - Jared Polis (D-Boulder) -- it may look rural and Rocky-heavy on the map, but the population anchors are Boulder County, which is kept whole, and Adams County, of which 35% is included. Less strongly Dem than before, but still plenty safe, with a moderate-liberal bent.

District 3 - John Salazar (D-Manassa) -- my disappointment is that I only moved the needle a couple points in Obama's direction here. It's still very rural, and competitive in an open seat situation. There are big pockets of population in Grand Junction, Pueblo, and Jefferson County.

District 4 - Betsy Markey (D-Fort Collins) -- New and improved for enhanced Democratic performance! 100% of Larimer, 65% of Adams, and 53% of Weld make for a safe district.

District 5 - Doug Lamborn (R-Colorado Springs) -- meant to pack Republicans tightly.

District 6 - Mike Coffman (R-Littleton) -- ditto in that this low-elevation "Colokansas" district packs GOP votes efficiently. I did cause some mischief by putting Coffman's home in the 7th.

District 7 - Ed Perlmutter (D-Golden) -- decidedly Democratic suburban Denver seat comprising half of Arapahoe and 80% of Jefferson.

Minnesota

This is the first state for which I drew two maps, one a Dem gerrymander and the other a bipartisan compromise map. Since Minnesota is expected to lose a seat for a new total of seven, there were some key differences in how I handled the dropped district (as well as how I drew the urban/suburban Twin Cities seats). Collin Peterson's new 6th and Jim Oberstar's new 7th are configured similarly in both maps, with Oberstar's diluted a bit and Peterson's shored up a tad to create two mildly Dem-friendly rural districts (though Peterson's is still tough, especially with its geographical identity changing as population loss forces it to leech toward the Iowa border!).

I will run through the bipartisan map first since Republicans currently hold the gov's mansion:

Minnesota Split

District 1 - Tim Walz (D-Mankato) vs. John Kline (R-Lakeville) -- honestly, Walz vs. Kline was the only logical, not-too-awkward bipartisan incumbent showdown I could seem to configure. This district would be more or less evenly divided in partisan performance and evenly weighted in population between Walz's southern base and Kline's exurban territory.

District 2 - Erik Paulsen (R-Eden Prairie) -- this map being the bipartisan variation, Paulsen gets a clearly more Republican district comprising Anoka County, 35% of Hennepin, and 26% of Carver.

District 3 - Betty McCollum (D-St. Paul) -- anchored in Ramsey County, safely Democratic.

District 4 - Keith Ellison (D-Minneapolis) -- 65% of Hennepin County, and that's it, for a mostly urban Minneapolis district.

District 5 - Michele Bachmann (R-Stillwater) -- I wanted to soak up all the Republicans I could find (and Bachmann will need them if she keeps up this way).

District 6 - Collin Peterson (D-Detroit Lakes) -- how to protect Peterson without giving Oberstar an untenable district? Knowing the district would have to extend south, I tried to improve the PVI a bit by taking some rural Dem counties from his neighbor, but not move the needle too dramatically as that would jeopardize the esteemed Transportation & Infrastructure Committee Chairman.

District 7 - Jim Oberstar (D-Chisholm) -- more of a swing district than before; Oberstar would be safe but Dems would have to fight for this as an open seat. Is it worth shoring up Peterson's seat at the cost of making this one equally swingy? I'm no longer convinced.

Overall summary: two safe Dem seats (McCollum and Ellison), two relatively safe GOP seats (Paulsen and Bachmann), two swing seats that would remain safe for their current Dem incumbents (Peterson and Oberstar), one battleground (Walz v. Kline in the 1st).

And now, the hypothetical Democratic gerrymander should luck break our way in the governor's race (and that certainly didn't happen in 1990, 1994, 1998, 2002, or 2006, but I suppose the DFL is overdue for some good fortune in this given area):

Minnesota Dem

The two North Country districts certainly don't look much different, but the other five, I think, would be quite altered under a Democratic plan.

District 1 - Tim Walz (D-Mankato) -- this version mostly steers clear of the Twin Cities area and is heavier in small towns and southern counties that know and like Walz. I can't knowledgeably estimate the presidential numbers here, but assume Obama would have still won, as I pointedly tried to avoid weakening Walz for other Democrats' benefit.

District 2 - John Kline (R-Lakeville) vs. Michele Bachmann (R-Stillwater) -- yay, a chance to eliminate Bachmann! Except that, based purely on factors of geography, media coverage, and name recognition, Bachmann would have a good fighting chance in a Republican primary here. Oh well, at least it's an eliminated GOP seat.

District 3 - Erik Paulsen (R-Eden Prairie) -- given how hard it will be to shore up Collin Peterson land without undermining Oberstar's Iron Range seat, you can bet the Democrats would milk the Twin Cities for every vote they're worth, and that means messing with Paulsen. Here his district comprises 58% of Anoka, 20% of Dakota, and 42% of Hennepin, for a moderately Dem-leaning/Obama-friendly suburban seat.

District 4 - Betty McCollum (D-St. Paul) -- Give and take, give and take. So the 4th gets diluted a bit as it suburbanizes; it's still plenty solid, but doesn't waste votes as before.

District 5 - Keith Ellison (D-Minneapolis) -- extends into Anoka County to hurt Paulsen but remains liberal and overwhelmingly Democratic.

District 6 - Collin Peterson (D-Detroit Lakes) -- not a heck of a lot different than in the bipartisan map.

District 7 - Jim Oberstar (D-Chisholm) -- ditto.

This map only includes one super-safe GOP seat, two very safe Dem seats, three swing seats that would be strong for their Dem incumbents (Walz, Peterson, Oberstar), and one swing seat that would be vulnerable to ousting its GOP incumbent (Paulsen).

Thoughts on either state are much appreciated!

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Minnesota is not
expect to lose a congressional seat according to the latest figures that I've seen.

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Really?
Last I saw was in December when Election Data Services released their annual report. I'm pretty sure they had Minnesota losing a seat in all their models (or was it just most of them?). I suppose with the slowdown in migration it's perfectly possible the 8th seat gets saved (EDS did say New York is now on track to lose only one seat instead of two thanks to the halt in Rust Belt-to-Sun Belt migration).

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[ Parent ]
Mark said they weren't
and I usually trust him as the authority on the matter. Its one of the few western states with any significant postive growth, in its suburbs and the city counties are losing too much.

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He's right
According to Election Services the 2008 report, they're expected to hold onto their 8th seat by the skin of their teeth. They could still lose it though, maybe if the economy heats up again and people remember all the reasons they were living Minneapolis for Las Vegas and Orlando.

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Wait, I didn't read that all the way through
If reapportionment were held today, Minnesota would hold on, but all their models have it narrowly falling overboard. He either only read the first part of the report or he's feeling rather optimistic.

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and I have to say I don't like your Colorado
map, not as smart as your others. You went in the wrong direction. For one you changed the 7th from a 70% Adams county district to a mostly Jefferson county-Araphroe County district that is almost totally new for Perlmutter and a lot more conservative territory overall despite how it may have voted for Obama.

Putting Adams in the 4th wasn't the best strategy either, and you, like everyone else, have been too concerned with protecting a popular incumbent like John Salazar. Trying to make the 3rd Democratic is a waste of time and votes.

Okay, here's the deal. Markey's district, you lop off all the plains, keep fast growing Weld which is trending Dem and Markey's base of Larimer. That comprises about 600,000 votes of an aproximately 740,000 vote district. Make up the rest by placing Broomfield, Jackson and Routt and a large chunk of northern Boulder. Creates a safely Democratic leaning district that will only trend more and more so.

I would extend CO-02 to the northwest. Though very Republican the area is rural and has few votes. So the new district would consist of most of Boulder, Gilpin, Clear Creek, Grand, Summit, Eagle, Garfiel, Morfatt and Rio Blanco.

Like I said nothing can be done for CO-03 and it becomes slightly more Republican but Salazar can handle it.

The plus side? CO-06 takes in all the plain areas that used to be in CO-04, but they have very little population. It remains dominated by Araphroe, Democratic leaningish and becoming more so, and is redrawn to have more Democratic northern Jefferson as well as only a sliver of more conservative northern Douglas county.

CO-07 reminas super republican.

But this is a good, fair map, rperesentative of the state. It retains three Republican leaning districts and four Democratic leaning ones that are trending moreso. What's more, a strong moderate Democratc would be posed to win CO-06 if Coffman bails for Governor in 2014. A possible 6-1 delegation in what is really hardly a gerrymander and couldn't be criticized as partisan.

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plus, despite your noble efforts
to protect Salazar, adding the soutehrn tier of Jefferson. For one Jefferson is heavily weighted in the north, Arvada, Littleton, Lakewood, Golden, what you added was probably more rural and exurban territory that has a strong Republican lean to it. And this is where, on these states with big suburbs, you get into trouble without precinct by precinct data because you never know where the Democratic areas are from, but here I can guess. It's a good looking map, but I think you were trying to go in the wrong direction, maybe too ambitious on it. I'm content to make, as I laid out, rather modest alterations from the current.

Look at the current 7th, then yours, it's like a mirror image, 90% of it would be new to Perlmutter and not neccessarily Dem friendly territory, that's why I think that 7th is not a good idea, and Adams is not the best way to tie down CO-04.

@_@

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Good work as always
Is Pawlenty even running again?  I get the feeling he's tiring of his current job, and after his narrow escape in 2006 he's due for another tough fight.

It would be sweet justice to put the relatively mainstream Republican Kline into a district with the nutty Bachmann, and to have her lose to a member of her own party.  Paulsen also needs to go, what is a rightwinger like him doing in a district Obama easily carried?


We can be a hell of a lot more
aggressive in Minnesota.  I think you can easily draw a 6-1 map, and I think you can draw a 7-0 map.

Split Bachmann's district several ways.  
Stearns to the 7th.
Benton, Wright, Sherburne to the 5th.
Anoka to the 4th and 8th.
Washington to the 4th and 8th.

Draw Ellison and McCollum deep into the suburbs.  

The district for Ellison would be as follows: Sherburne, Wright, Benton, the Hennepin County cities of Dayton, Champlin, Brooklyn Park, and Brooklyn Center, and almost all of Minneapolis.  Bachmann would probably choose to run here.

This district gave Obama a 65-34 edge in 2008.  It gave Franken a 53-33-14 edge.  Ellison would probably be a slight favorite in this district over Bachmann.

Then using the Democratic territory picked up from Ellison and McCollum's district, weaken Paulsen and Kline.


Don't get greedy
I don't see how you can realistly draw a 7-0 or even a 6-1 Dem advantage map without putting several districts at risk of flipping in a year Republicans are not in total disarray like the past two cycles.

BTW don't expect any wildly gerrymandered maps in Minnesota. While some splitting of of counties and cities is inevitable, state law requires that existing boundries be followed as close as possible.

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Democratic incumbents hold swing districts
in general, unless they retire, are corrupt, or there is a major 1994/2006-like wave.  For that matter,incumbents generally hold even mildly hostile seats. We learned that between 1954-1992, and then from 1996-2004.  

That means that if we win the district, we will hold the district for a while on average.  So I would draw the most aggressive map and try to pick up as many as possible in 2012, which will likely be an Obama landslide, and then worry about holding them later.  

Sure if the Repubs have a massive wave year (possibly 2014 or 2018), they will end up picking up seats.  But history tells us that is a risk worth taking.


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When it comes to gerrymandering
and political strategy in general, we need to think like a Democratic version of Karl Rove.  Be ruthless and push every law to its limit to eradicate the Repubs politically.  We need to build a permanent Democratic majority.

The right number of Repubs we need in Congress is zero.  They are at best worthless.  


[ Parent ]
I have to agree there
I would even have supported mid-decade redistricting in a state like Illinois in revenge for Texas.    

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I would have strongly supported that
Had we done that in 2005, I think we'd have added IL-10 and IL-6 in 2006, although we'd have probably not picked up IL-14 when Hastert retired, because it would have been made really safe Repub.

But we need to go far beyond just gerrymandering.  As I have mentioned before, we need sic the Patriot Act on the entire wingnut establishment.  I want to see Repubs and conservatives completely destroyed with methods that make Tom Delay and Karl Rove look like wusses.


[ Parent ]
I am thinking we should have done the same in California
and reap a gain of 3-6 districts, possibly canceling out their gains in Texas and Georgia if Marshall and Barrow were defeated.

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[ Parent ]
We could not do that
once Arnold became Governor.  He would have vetoed it.

We should have been more aggressive in redistricting in 2002, but Dems were too scared that they were going to lose the districts that they had just gained in 2000.


[ Parent ]
Arnold did not become Governor until late 2003.
Gray Davis was still Governor during redistricting, so a more partisan map could have been implemented.    

[ Parent ]
This has been mentioned before
The 2002 remap was incumbent protection because Dems gained like 5 seats in 2000.  

[ Parent ]
only 1
susan davis

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[ Parent ]
We gained 5 in 2000.
Susan Davis was one of them, though there were 4 other Democrats that picked up Republican seats.

Mike Honda won CA-15, which was open because of the incumbent Republican Tom Campbell running for the chance to lose to Feinstein in that year's Senate race.

Adam Schiff knocked off incumbent Republican Jim Rogan in one of the most expensive House races ever in CA-27 (now CA-29).

Hilda Solis in CA-32 defeated incumbent Matthew Martinez in the primary, and after the primary Martinez switched to the GOP but couldn't run in the general. No sore loser laws in California either.

Jane Harman in CA-36 won back her old seat from Republican Steve Kuykendall, who won her seat when she left it to run for governor in 1998.

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[ Parent ]
Typed too fast.
There are sore loser laws in California.

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Heh, you beat me to the punch


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Thanks for filling me in on Solis
I was wondering why we picked up that seat with no republican on the general ballot.

[ Parent ]
No, there were 5 pickups in 2000 in CA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U...

All races highlighted in blue were Democratic pickups.

15th - Honda won an open seat vacated by Tom Campbell 54-42%
27th - Schiff defeated Rogan 53-44%
31st - Solis won an open seat with 79% of the vote
36th - Harman defeated Kuykendall 48-47%
49th - Davis defeated Bilbray 50-46%


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And a funny thing...
On Calitics, we liked Kuykendall, who was probably a liberal Republican, more than we like Harman.

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Amazing
that as recently as the year 2000, Democrats had only a 27-25 majority of the California Representatives.  What a dying breed they are, the once powerful CA GOP.

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I'd love to see the California Democratic Party
have the same kind of dominance the California Republican Party had in the early 20th century as the most progressive of the two major parties.

At certain points in the early 20th century, Republicans had as many as 38 of 40 State Senate seats and 77 of 80 Assembly seats, and they also had all 11 House seats (that California had at the time) and controlled all statewide offices including both Senate seats. Kinda like how today's Massachusetts is with Democrats.

The Republicans' grip on the state loosened with the arrival of the Okies and Arkies during the Depression and, after 1958 except for a couple of unusual circumstances, they would never even tie with the Democrats in the state legislature or House delegation again.

They only got a bare 41-39 majority in the Assembly in 1968 because of the mess that was that year's presidential election, and also in 1994 due to the Republican landslide. The House delegation became tied the after an open Democratic seat flipped R in a special election.

Also, 1958 was the last time Republicans held both Senate seats, save for a brief time between 1965 and 1969, and the last time Republicans held all statewide offices was 1950.

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And something else...
I remember seeing from an historical article that I wish I remember where I saw it: In the 50s, the nation's electoral powerhouse of New York leaned Democratic but was losing electoral votes, while Republican-leaning California was gaining electoral votes fast. These facts lead Republicans to be giddy about a "permanent majority". Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

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Don't forget Presidents
California has a habit or producing some of the worst Presidents of all-time.

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I know and am ashamed.
Hopefully, now that we're strongly Dem on the presidential level, we can soon find some good Dems to send to the White House. I know most of our current politicians leave a lot to be desired, but I am more optimistic on the new leaders, Senate President Pro Tem Darrell Steinberg and Assembly Speaker Karen Bass, than I was with their predecessors, Don Perata and Fabian Nunez, respectively.

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Forget White House
Let's start with a good Democratic Governor first.  Looks like it's going to come down to Brown vs. Newsome.  I'll take Brown in that matchup.  Newsome just seems like too big a risk in a general election.

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Yeah I know we'll need to start with the governor's mansion.
I am undecided on who to support in the primary though I too am leaning towards Brown should we have a Brown vs. Newsom matchup.

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Newsom is a shill for corporate interests
he has very effectively used his support of gay marriage to tamp down progressive opposition to him because of his corporate/DLC agenda.

I'll take my chances with Brown or Villaragoisa, if he enters the race.


[ Parent ]
The only real downside with Brown
is that if he is elected in '10 and reelected in '14, in 2016 he will be 78, older than McCain and hence unlikely to run for president. That's why I am not completely solidly behind Brown though if it's him vs. Newsom, I will be.

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Clarification
older than McCain was in '08.

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Yeah, Harman
I was thinking of incumbents, and even then I was off. Democrats also picked up seats in 1996 and 1998 I believe.

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Looked it up
In 1998 Dems lost a net 1 seat in CA
Pickup in the 1st district where Thompson won an open seat vacated by Riggs in a landslide.
Lost the 3rd district where Ose won an open seat vacated by Fazio and the 36th district where Kuykendall won an open seat vacated by Harman.

1996 there were 3 pickups for Dems.  Tauscher defeated Baker in the 10th, Capps defeated Seastrand in the 22nd and Sanchez defeated Dornan in the 46th.



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Also
The 2002 incumbent protection map was what was needed at the time.  Redrawing California a 2nd time in the same decade would have looked stupid considering Dems drew the first map.  It's not like Texas where Repubs only took control post-2002.  

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Oh yeah. now I remember
I was thinking about an article in the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision on the Texas redistricting in 06 and at the end the author suggested we do with California and Illinois what the GOP did with Texas and Georgia. But now I remember.

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Idon't want to associate
Democrats in anyway with Karl Rove. I despised them when Repblicans did them and I have enough character to not want my party to have to stoop so low. I want Democrats to be in the right and have the moral high ground. I have ethics, beliefs, and morals, and I won't compromise them and don't think Democrats should compromise them. The only things Democrats need to do is attack REpublicans far more aggressively as out of whack with the mainstream and their policies as being detrimental to America's health.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

[ Parent ]
I care about policies not methods
I want to see a strong labor rights, clean environment, universal health care, fair taxation, right to choose protected, etc.  I really don't care about the methods that we use to get there.  

But that is besides the point, the issue is much more dire than that.  The Repub party and their wingnuts want to overthrow Obama and replace it with a right-wing dictatorship.  These people have never accepted the results of elections that they lost, and are plainly evil, and really could care less of democracy.  So in effect, either liberals support harsher methods toward the right wing, or we are going to have a right-wing dictatorship forced on us.

In order to accomplish good things for the nation, you need to have power and retain power.


[ Parent ]
We both know you and I
voraciously disagree on most issues while at the base having similar politics, which is amazing, from our views on Republicans, to the South, to the Democratic party and how our ideals are put into practice me and you are exact opposites.

Like for instance I would never compromise my integrity by interfering in another parties primary, simply because I know how infuriated it would make me if it was done to me and I will keep the high ground.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus


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Well I have a history of doing it
As you know I volunteered for Pat Toomey in 2004 with the idea of electing a Dem in the fall.

I will certainly switch parties to vote for Toomey again in 2010, and certainly vote in the Repub primary in 2012 if it is still a contest when it comes to Pennsylvania.  

I think a Democratic/liberal response to Operation Chaos is warranted in 2012.  


[ Parent ]
"Operation Chaos"?
I do know that and that's why I responded with that to you.

Don't take any of it personally though.

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[ Parent ]
Operation Chaos
was Rush Limbaugh's plan to extend the Democratic primary by getting his supporters to vote for Hillary Clinton in the Democratic primary.  He started it the week before the Texas and Ohio primaries in March 2008.

It blew up in his face as the longer primary strengthened Obama.  If Clinton had dropped out in March, Obama would never have been able to set up his organization in Indiana or North Carolina or had a real inkling that those states were competitive.  Instead both of those states would have ended up like Georgia, where Obama didn't put a real effort there until the last week of the campaign and fell short.


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neither were neccessary though
Obama never would have a shot at Georgia though, maybe in 2012 when there are a few hundred thousand more minority voters and he's less radioactive among white voters but not ni 2008.

I doubt Rush Limbaugh of all people had that much effect on huge priamries like those in Texas and Ohio where Clinton won pretty convingly. Also I can't believe anyone would want to imitate Rush Limbaugh.

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It didn't change the bottom line
but it is estimated that 100K Op Chaos voters voted in Texas and 75K in Ohio.  Operation Chaos voters were almost certainly responsible for Clinton's narrow win in the Indiana primary (won by 14K votes).

I disagree about Georgia.  Had Obama advertised there from the beginning and done even stronger voter registration, I think Obama might have won there.  He lost by 5% as it was.  Obama got just 23% of the white vote, and I think he would have gotten more if he had campaigned there, especially in the Atlanta suburbs.


[ Parent ]
the atlanta suburbs are
extremely racist.

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Not nearly as racist
as rural Georgia, where Obama got maybe 5% of the white vote.  Obama did much better than Kerry in the Atlanta suburbs, including among whites.  You can't say that about the rest of the Deep South.


[ Parent ]
They can't be that racist
Thurbert Baker always does pretty well there.

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In all fairness
Baker WAS originally appointed by Zell Miller before winning re-election three times.  Can't say for sure it would have been possible for him to have first won the office by election.  Incumbancy plays aa big role.

But then again the Labor Commissioner is also black and has been in office for like a decade in Georgia.  

Baker running for Governor will test how tolerant Georgia really is for a black candidate.  Baker sounds like he's a good bit to the right of Harold Ford, so there really is no reason for voters to reject him outside of the race issue.


[ Parent ]
not the burbs
and too be truthful and he never has any real opponents.

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Baker's opponents were decent
He defeated a State Senator in his first race in 1998 by more than 5 points.

In a disasterous year (2002) for Dems in Georgia he won re-election by 11 points.  Can't say I know much aboutthe opponent, but beating any Republican in 2002 by that margin sounds good to me.

In 2006 he defeated a former State Senator by 15 points.

Though polls I've seen seem to indicate that a large number of Georgians don't know who he is, and thus don't yet know he's black.  


[ Parent ]
he's an incumbent running against
low profile candidates. 5 points in 98 isn't that impressive, and 2002 he ran against a nobody, same in 2006. THere was no strong campgin against him yet he on with less than 60% of the voete.

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

[ Parent ]
In addition
your "integrity, ethics, morals, and beliefs" don't matter shit if we have a right-wing dictatorship taking over this country.

I'll do what I have to protect my country from these cretins taking it over.  And that means doing whatever it takes to reduce the power of the traitor party.  The Repubs are no longer the loyal opposition, but traitorous insurgents.


[ Parent ]
I'm not that worried
I'm actually happy. As those kinds of people become increasingly dominanting in the Republican party that party will further alienate and drive into liberalism the center and moderates of this country, giving Democrats a massive and solid governing coalition.

It was unsettling to see the sheer hypocricsy in 51% of Texas Republicans supporting succession, and see the ingorant, vague, uninformed fear and hatred they show towards Obama, not that Democrats along the same lines of yourself didn't do the same to President Bush but still...

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[ Parent ]
Don't insult me by calling that piece of filth
President.  Bush is the worst creature this world has seen in a long while.  That man never was or will be my President.  But I never advocated threats against him, or suggested that he be forcibly overthrown.  Nor did I hope that the country failed because he was President.

Secondly, while you are right that the Repub antics do drive moderates into the arms of liberals/Democrats, you forget the real possibility of right-wing domestic terrorism and threats at the President's security that they creatures cause.


[ Parent ]
I'm with ArkDem
Your stridency and borderline fascist tendencies are deeply disturbing. If I didn't know better, I'd swear

Every thread you visit, you hijack with your extremism and irritability. Normally, I leave responding to more level-headed people like Chad, nrafter, ArkDem, or virtually anyone else. However, I must get something off my chest: Jonah Goldberg may have been right about the existence of liberal fascists because there is one right here.

That's all I have to say about this.


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I'd swear
YOU were a Republican masquerading as an extreme Dem.

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Can't say I disagree with much of what he said
He brings up right-wing extremism as a good point.  When Homeland Security put out a memo warning of right-wing extremism recently what happened?  The right-wing noise machine went absolutely NUTS, staunchly defending neo-nazis, white supremacists and every other kind of right-wing hate monger group that wants to overthrow the administration.  

The threat of right-wing terrorism has always and will always be the biggest treat to this country.  Far greater than the overhyped Islamic extremist threat.  The worst an Islamic extremist can do is slip through a 9/11 scale attack, while right-wing Christofascists can overthrow our entire government and install a nutjob as dictator if given the opening.


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Sorry
Meant to say greatest "threat."

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Guess you don't know the meaning
of fascism then.  Fascism includes some version of corporate control, which I strongly oppose.

I am, on the other hand, a left-leaning authoritarian.  I'm very proud of that.


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Exactly
It always makes me scratch my head when the phrase fascist and left-wing are used together.  Fascism, on many important points, is the polar opposite of left-wing authoritarianism.  

People who claim there are left-wing fascists are people just too intellectually lazy to learn what fascism actually is.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.  Fascism is also a corporatist economic ideology.  Historians and political scientists disagree on a precise definition, however; some would omit one or more of the preceding themes, while others would add many more.  Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.  Fascists believe that nations and races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak. Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.  Fascism opposes class conflict and blames capitalist liberal democracies for creating class conflict and in turn blames communists for exploiting class conflict. Fascists reject the individualism and self-interest of laissez-faire capitalism. Many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism. This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labor (called "the corporate state" by Mussolini).



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Fourteen Defining Characteristics of Fascism
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights
3. Identification of enemies/scapegoats as a unifying cause
4. The supremacy of the military/avid militarism
5. Rampant sexism
6. A controlled mass media.
7. Obsession with national security
8. Religion and ruling elite tied together
9. Power of corporations protected
10. Power of labor suppressed or eliminated
11. Disdain and suppression of intellectuals and the arts
12. Obsession with crime and punishment
13. Rampant cronyism and corruption
14. Fraudulent elections.

Hardly left-wing by any stretch of the imagination.

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I know what facism is
Facism is a very vague term, but the base of facism lies in right-wing authoritarianism and hardcore nationalism. Facism in practice is a very hardcore right wing system, so "Liberal Facism" is a  misuse of a term taken from a speech by Orson Wells who was hardly a good example of liberalism.

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Im ashamed
That a big percentage in TX supports such crap. And I bet most of them ironically have an American flag on their bumper sticker and call Democrats and liberals 'unpatriotic'.  

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He can be
but he's fun to argue with ;)

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No you are a nut
if you are still a Repub.  That party is full of traitors.

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I'm not the one...
...advocating government suppression of a political movement because I disagree with them.

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that's not what the memo was advocating either
It was advocating increased vigilance in watching out for highly right wing, militia groups. I've been to these gun rallies, I've talked to these people.There are lots of them adn they are totally nuts, living in some kind of self-created fantasy world. This is in response to the kind of stuff being written, and recent events such as the cop shooting in Pittsburg, the Unitarian chuch shooting in Tennessee and other incidents. Its a valid threat and if you've heard the sheer ignorant hate and fear propagated by some of these people and groups it would scare you.  

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I went to a gun show before
Absolutely crazy.  The majority were stone cold racist black helicopter nutjobs, stockpiling guns in anticipation of libruls storming their homes to take away their guns.  

My uncle, who is a gun nut, but a fairly moderate guy on most issues told me the last gun show he went to a few months ago there were tons of pamphlets going around with white supremacist information and sign up forms for right-wing militias.  Crazy shit.  

I really hope the FBI and DHS are keeping tabs on these gatherings, but I have my doubts.  The FBI is too busy tracking environmentalists on their 10 most wanted list who never even killed anyone.


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Yes, he is
I don't know how long you've been posting here, but IHB has said even nuttier things before.

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This is a redistricting diary
It was really unnnecessary to totally derail the discussion. I understand that conversations veer in unpredictable directions, but you bring up your admiration for Rovianism far too often. We've heard your opinions on the subject before, many times. I think we're done with this topic.

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On aggressive redistricting
And even on mid decade redistricting Karl Rove was actually right in his methods.  Too often the party gets too bogged down on the whole "moral high ground" issue.  As IhateBush says, we're dealing with a domestic  adversary more dangerous than the Taliban or Al Quaida will ever be.  The right-wing extremists in the U.S.  clearly want to overthrow the President and install a right-wing Cristofascist dictatorship.  You can't treat these people with kid gloves.  The only way to stop a thug is to fight back with every means at your disposal, and sometimes morality has to be tossed aside.

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I cannot agree with that
We've had this conversation before, but there are lines that should not be crossed. While there certainly are right-wing extremists in this country, they are dwindling by the year as they succumb to either old age, insanity, drugs, or alcoholism. Napolitano was right in issuing that memo, as right-wing groups have gotten a free pass these past eight years, but imbuing them with more power and influence then they actually have is simply paranoid.

If the torture memos taught us anything, it's that being a thug only strengthens your enemies.


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All I can say is that
you must really want that right-wing dictatorship.  Supporting an extreme civil libertarian position right now is suicide for this country.

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agreed
I've got to agree here, Democrats have got to take advantage of being able to create seats where seats can be created.  

Many of the Rovian election techniques were solid and perfectly legal, we simply hated them because they helped elect Republicans.  

I don't think anyone here is attempting to say that the rest of Rove's positions need to be adopted because those simply weren't legal.  

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I notice that you have not done New York
I think we can eliminate 2 Repubs there.  King's seat can easily be made Democratic, and Chris Lee's seat should be targeted for elimination.

Simple reason
My original New York map was contingent on Tedisco winning NY-20. Now that Murphy's won it, I have to start all over!

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New York is the one I most want to see.
Now that Murphy is elected, please apply your skills to redo NY for us.  There should be two plans: a one seat loss and a two seat loss.  There is plenty of potential here because there are so many surplus Democrats.  King's seat can be eliminated and Lee's if there is a two seat loss.  Surplus Democrats in neighboring districts (Tonko, Slaughter, Hinchey, and Higgins) can be shifted to help Murphy, Arcuri, and Massa. McMahon can be helped as well by redrawing the non-Staten Island portion of his district.

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I have a system that
will create a possible 30-0 New York congressional delegation.

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30-0?
Are you including Senators or something?  

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yup


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Sounds like the estimates are mixed
I've seen estimates of 1 or 2 seat losses in NY.  I'm assuming the current projection is only 1 seat loss?

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Yeah
I think New York is clear of the 2 seat loss at the moment. According to the 2008 data, New York's 28 seat is the 432nd seat, followed by South Carolina's 7th seat, California's 53rd and Oregon's 6th seat.


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I don't think it is that hard, IMO
you will have to dilute a lot of Dem districts, but the Dem incumbents should be able to carry it.

I would like to see much more aggressive redistricting schemes than the ones being proposed.  In states like California, we should be able to redistrict 6-8 Repubs out given the demographic changes.  In states like Minnesota, either 7-0 or 7-1 should be the goal.  In Wisconsin, we should shoot for 7-1.


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Ehh
I'd give repubs one district upstate, probably McHugh's.  Pack the GOP areas into that district.  Shooting for an all Dem delegation seems risky.

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well, I'd leave McHugh's
district mostly intact. Not radically changed. My plans not built to take his seat until he retires.

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Minnesota
I could be wrong but I don't think either of your maps would meet the compactness requirement of Minnesota state law.

I will try to make a more detailed post later but my thoughts on how the map could end up looking.

- Bachman will be thrown into a Dem leaning district against McCollum. The district would cover Ramsey and most of Washington County.

- I wouldn't make to much of an effort to shore up Peterson's district, in fact I would try to add Republican areas to it. Blue Dog Peterson is safe as long as he runs for re-election but once he retires the western part of Minnesota will lean republican regardless.

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his 7th in Minnesota
would also be dangerously Republican leaning.

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Yeah,
The NE part of Minnesota is dominated by the Iron Range which is, and always has gone hard Democrat in every election. St. Louis County even voted for George McGovern over Richard Nixon.

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I wouldn't call it Republican-leaning....
Especially since Kerry and Obama both won the 2nd version of the reconfigured 7th - Obama with 52%, Kerry with 51%.

I would definitely not throw St. Cloud (Stearns, Benton, and Sherburne counties) into the same district as the Iron Range though. I think expanding westward would be the best solution here...


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As I said above
throw Stearns into Peterson's district, throw Benton, Wright, and Sherburne into Ellison's district.

Completely split up all that exurban Repub shit.


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I'd rather give Stearns Co
to Peterson and give Oberstar portions of the Anoka and Washington counties that are favorable (unfavorable parts go to Betty McCollum).  The worst parts of Bachmann's district, however, would go to Ellison's district.

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I just wouldnt ever do that
Simply bad governance.  I know you really hate Republicans and the GOP but a state Obama only by 10%, they deserve at least a seat.  

This is how 1994's happen, the Dems get too powerful and ethically challenged and then it all caves in as the public opinion realizes that the Dems have had a stranglehold on so much power and they've abused it.

That's abuse of power and would cause a lot of Independents to vote GOP come 2012, no doubt.  I'd maybe even vote a little bit GOP out of anger of that.

And it's not as easy as it sounds.  The whole metro area is in tiers of blueness and anything bordering CD7 and 8 is going to be red red red (2-1 type of GOP margins in some exurbs).  You'd completely fuck up both of those districts by trying a 7-0 map, and maybe even CD1 too depending on lines.  In a 7 seat map, you just have to have a Republican seat to suck up all the exurbs and Republicans.  An 8-0 map would be a different story, there's enough CD's to suck up all those Republicans into.

I think you should sit down and really try to do it, I'd love to be proven wrong and so what you can do.  


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yeah
I just decided to redo a big piece of my redistricting (its so going to kick ass) and the one thing I found is that there is nothing really that can be done for Peterson's district without drastically changing the 8th and as a Minnesotan, I think just about all of us would much rather have a deceivingly solid Iron Range district.

I started by gerrymandering out most of the Red River Valley which is the most Republican area after the exurbs, well that makes the district have to push further into the exurban areas or into CD1, which then makes CD1 have to push into the exurbs, etc.

There is simply nothing that can be changed to make MN-7 won by Obama short of giving a piece of MSP to it or gutting MN-8, which again, there simply has to be an Iron Range centered district that will elect a DFLer as the Iron Range is a HUGE part of the DFL, they put the L in DFL pretty much and there would be some bad blood within the party then.

I look at MN-7 as a seat we probably shouldnt have and there isnt much you can do to fix it without really jeopardizing the other seats so why bother with it?  Plus, it'd probably still be a 50-50 chance in an open seat.  Think of it as a Southern CD, vote GOP at the top but at the local, the DFL probably has a majority of the state House and Senate seats here.


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I like your 2nd MN map for the most part
It accomplishes all the objectives: 1)eliminate Bachmann's district, 2)make Paulsen's district bluer, and 3)not significantly endanger any of our incumbents.

As for the 7th CD becoming more R-leaning, it always was that way. Before the 2002 redraw, it went 53-39 for W. As I see it, this seat is on long-term loan that expires once Petersen retires. I'd rather be rid of that seat in exchange for a modified Paulsen district that we can win and hold with greater ease.

However, I'm not sure how I feel about Anoka being split between 3 districts. Would it make much difference if it were just split between Paulsen and one of the Twin City districts?

You might want to take another try at the CO map, as others have pointed out the flaws. However, someone upthread said that the old CO-7 was 58% Adams County. That is not true. IIRC, Jefferson casts the bulk of the current district's votes (58% I belive) with the rest split between Adams and Arapahoe.


wrong
look at a map. CO-07 contains almost all of Adams counties 400,000 residents and only hte smallest of chunks of Araphroe, and only a small chunk of northern Jefferson, mainly the cities of Arvada and Lakewood. Adams county is about 400,000 of the districts 650,000 population.

You have it backwards. CO-07 is a block, (Adams county), was a little chunk of Jefferson.

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No, he has it right.
Each district in Colorado has 614,465 people. In CO-07, Adams has 124,242, Arapahoe has 162,479, and Jefferson has 327,744, or about 53% of the population.

Jefferson also cast 59% of the presidential vote in the 7th in 2008.


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I really don't see how
Adams county has 400,000 people, and about 95% of Adams county is in CO-07 and only a small bit of Jefferson, mainly the communities of Arvada nad Lakewood which don't constitute a large amount of population.

It also contains the city of Aurora, some 291,000 people, about a third of which is in Adams the rest in Araphroe.

The portions of Jefferson county that I'vecounted up are nowhere near 327,000 people. Could you tell me where you are getting that information?

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This is straight from the census bureau.
American Fact Finder -> 110th Congressional District Summary File->Custom Table->Geography: County (or part). For municipalities, you can select "Place/Remainder".

Your statement about Arvada and Lakewood show precisely the issue. Lakewood, which is completely contained within the 7th, is home to 140,000 people. Arvada is partially in the 7th, and the part of Arvada in the 7th contains about another 99,000. Throw in the unincorporated bits and that's how you get 327k.

Don't forgot most of the people in Adams County live in the 2nd district (239,615 compared to 124,242 in the 7th). The 2nd contains all of Thornton (109k) and then some. You'd have to subtract out Broomfield when it incorporated into its own county, though.


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where do the otehr 280,000
in Adams leave? 95% of it, looking at the map, is in the 7th.

Also, Aurora is 291,000 people, it is entirely within the 7th and is in Araphoe and Adams counties.

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In the 2nd district.
Hardly 95%, not even by area, let alone population. Like I said, the remaining 240k as of the 2000 census live in Jared Polis' 2nd district. We're talking 82k in Thornton, 32k in Northglenn, and 11k in Federal Heights. There's some parts of Westminster too in the 2nd, but a lot of also unincorporated area.

Population density in Eastern Adams County is much much lower than in the western parts of the county. Most of the area, sure, is in Perlmutter's.

Aurora is also NOT entirely within the 7th. 197,515 are in the 7th, but 78,878 are actually in the 6th. If you look at the map of the 7th (with municipalities), you'll see the nice chunk of Aurora outside the district along I-225.


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how do i post pictures here?
in a comment.  

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Same as when you do it in a diary.
<*img src="URL"> - remove the asterisk, and replace "URL" with the URL address of the picture.

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thanks you


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You're welcome.


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[ Parent ]
hardly 95%?
Adams County:

CO-07:



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Those are some very pretty pictures
But you're clearly opting not to get that not that many people live in that part of the county. Here, click this US Census link.
And not to be nitpicky, but I'd only call that about 85% of the area. Doesn't matter, because half of it's just deer and coyotes anyway.

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the only places that aren't in are
Westminister adnd Thornton

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well those are pretty big acutally.


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To ArkDem's credit...
it's about 94% of the area. The Adams part of CO-07 is 1110.31 square miles, to 1183.26 square miles of the county as a whole (after Broomfield was cut out).

But you're right, few people live in the eastern half of the county...see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

Regardless, my original point about population (and density) still stands.


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yes
its well gerrymandered, the largest cities containing about 250,000 people are in another congressional district.

sholdn;t colorado be gaining one?

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Not sure
Last I heard, CO wasn't going to get another seat with the upcoming census.

BTW, I should have been more specific when I said that Adams Co. makes up 20% of the population but 80% of the area in CO-7.


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i didn't realize the two
major cities were gerrymandered out of it, Thornton and Westminster which are like 300,000 people, leaving only Commerce City and a part of Aurora, split between Araphoe and Adams.

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CO-07
is also one of the fastest Dem trending districts in the country.

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Whoops! Wrong MN-7!
I was confusing the old MN-7 (Petersen) with the new MN-7 (Oberstar). Still, I say give Stearns and Sherburne back to Petersen, and redraw Kline's district westward to take in more conservative parts of Paulsen's district and Wright Co. Add Dakota County (and maybe part of Anoka if needed to meet the population requirement) to McCollum's district, and add Washington County to Walz's.

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I like your Minnesota map
Is Ellison's district VRA protected in any way?  Because, since it's a D+23 district next to an R+0 district, I figure we could gerrymander the 3rd to be solidly blue (at least D+6) rather than moderately so and still leaving the 5th with a double digit blue PVI.  

Maybe it's just how the colors appear on my computer monitor plus a little bit of color blindness on my part but I cannot see where the 6th district ends and the 7th begins.  Would it be possible for you to use a thicker line dividing similarly-colored districts in your future maps?


I don't think Ellison's district is VRA protected
the guy who represented it before him was White Scandanavian descent...I think it's just the city of Minneapolis, not a minority district.  

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Minneapolis
has an AA population that is probably in the single digits, the Somali and Ethiopian populations probably total more than the AA.  It has a small Mexican population as well, and all the Hmong immigrants live in St Paul in case anyone had heard about our huge Hmong population and wondered where they live.

So MSP is probably the whitest major metro area in the country.  Ellison represented a north Minneapolis state house seat which is the predominantly AA area of the city and CD5 clearly isnt going to care about race of candidates.  So he got his start as an AA candidate in probably an AA majority district (or close to it) and then since it's a liberal area, was able to successfully run for higher office.


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Yeah what is with the Hmong population?
Minnesota is a random place for them to go. It's not even like the climate is anything like Southern China or Southeast Asia.

I guess the Hmong population is really centered around Cy Thao's district in St. Paul?

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I was curious too.
I was like, why would the Hmong choose a place whose climate is nothing like theirs. I googled and found an answer.

Many churches in Wisconsin and Minnesota - mostly Lutheran - sponsored Hmong refugees when they initially arrived in the U.S. in 1975, providing jobs and housing. Over the past three decades, their numbers have grown in those two states as their overseas relatives have arrived to join them.

There is also a significant Hmong population in California, though I am far less surprised there. Some of those Hmong probably escaped with the Vietnamese.

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ah, that makes complete sense now


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Sounds right to me
and the one thing I've really learned about the immigrant population is that once they find a place, they get all their family to go there and they just pretty much rebuild their home community here.  So once a couple start, the floodgates have been lifted and they will concentrate in that one area.  All word of mouth.

Also, when I did an off-campus program dealing with social justice and such, one thing that some homeless people told me is that Minnesota has a lot of social programs to help the poor and such so they can move here and get the help they need to.

Cy Thao's district is actually the all around ethnic area of the city with the main portion of the AA population being here.  The Hmong population all lives on the East Side and is represented by Tim Mahoney.  


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It's 73% White
So I'm going with no.

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Peterson
I think hes safe until he retires, even if his district was made more Republican. The real problem will be when he retires.  

Here are my critiques and thoughts
Your CD7 in both maps I'm pretty sure voted for McCain.  You got rid of a bunch of rural counties way up north that probably balance each other to 50-50 for some of the most Republican ones in the state.  I really doubt Obama won it.  While your 6th may have voted for Obama, it would've been by like thousands of votes and not worth decimating the Obama margin in CD7, it wouldnt fly anyway within the DFL.  Cd6 is on temporary hold and we're all fine with that.  We still have a shot even after it's open and we'd much rather have a solid CD7.

You shouldn't have bothered trying to get Bachmann's house into any of the districts, she doesnt belong in Congress.  Put her with McCollum get her the hell out.

I like your compromise CD2 in the first map.  I can definitely see that happening if the DFL is forced to strengthen him.  You could probably even take in less parts of Anoka county up top and take in parts of Scott county, making it basically resemble an arc more so, taking in both of the Republican suburban/exurban arcs around MSP.



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