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LA-04: Fleming Noses Carmouche in Two New Polls

by: James L.

Wed Nov 19, 2008 at 9:59 PM EST


After the Paul Carmouche campaign released a poll last week showing the Caddo Parish DA leading Republican John Fleming by 10 points in this open seat race, two new polls have been released tonight showing Fleming with a slight lead. Let's check 'em out.

SurveyUSA for Roll Call (11/17-18, likely voters):

Paul Carmouche (D): 45
John Fleming (R): 47
(MoE: ±3.9%)

Public Opinion Strategies for John Fleming (11/17-18, likely voters):

Paul Carmouche (D): 42
John Fleming (R): 43
(MoE: ±4.9%)

There are a lot of unknowns about turnout here, particularly concerning the African-American turnout for this December 6th election. While the district is 33% black, SUSA pegs the black vote at 27% for this special election, and the POS poll split the difference at 30%. The Kitchens Group poll for Carmouche, interestingly, conservatively projected the black turnout to be 24%.

The DCCC is investing considerably in this race, having spent $448,000 on Carmouche's behalf as of this afternoon, while the NRCC has dropped $279,000, most of which has been spent on media buys. However, the DCCC is also spending cash on field operations, which is something they employed successfully in other special elections this year (IN-07, LA-06, and MS-01). Just to give you a sense of the track record of the DCCC's field program, they made significant independent expenditures for boots on the ground in seven races this fall (AL-02, AL-05, CT-04, LA-06, MD-01, MS-01 and NC-08) and won six of them. Of course, the one race of that batch that we did happen to lose was also in Louisiana, but other factors contributed to Don Cazayoux's demise there that won't be in play against Carmouche.

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This was a month ago?
that these polls were taken?  

November
I screwed up the dates there -- thanks for pointing that out.

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Im wondering if Obama being elected
has something to do with Carmouche trailing.  If we are going to start losing seats now, I am probably going to start wishing McCain had won like I wished Bush had won after our losses in 1993 and 1994.  

That's just nutty, dude.
The last eight years proved how much damage the executive branch can wreak, even with a Dem Congress. And I don't think you'd want McCain to be appointing the next two or more Supreme Court justices.

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Its not nutty
Congress needs to be cemented in Democratic hands so that when the next time a Republican President is elected, the worst parts of his agenda can be blocked.  

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It is nutty
There are barely any good parts of the Republican agenda. You want to stop them trying to enact it above all else.

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a few things
first of all, if it is obama that's doing this, it's probably either a southern "gonna show dat black guy what fer" kinda thing.  or, it might be a "don't want democrats to be too powerful" thing.  besides that, i'd rather have a dem prez, and repub cong than the other way around.  who wielded more power?  reagan, or dem house?  bush sr, or cong?  nixon, or dem cong?

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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I would say that the GOP Congress had far more power
than Clinton in the 1990's.  They dictated the entire agenda from 1995 on and then helped Bush enact his agenda.  

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I don't know what to tell you
There's zero evidence so far that 2010 will be like 1994. And I wouldn't take a Carmouche or Martin loss as foreshadowing such a scenario, either. Runoffs/specials are different beasts (see: Ben Chandler, Stephanie Herseth, and Mary Landrieu '02).

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But there was also Coverdell and Hutchinson
in 1992 and 1993 that signaled that the Democratic party was going to be wiped out in 1994.  

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i don't know about coverdell
but by 1993 the state was so republican that only bentson or MAYBE ann richards could have held the seat.  if stevens won alaska and palin or parnell ran and won it wouldn't mean we're doooooooooooooooooomed, but rather we never had a chance.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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really,
and this race is still close. I want to Anazalone Lizt poll this place. Carmouche has not run the best campagin, and this is a very REpublican district outside of Caddo Parish with its huge black population. The Democrat always wins the run off in Louisiana, just remember that saying. Democrats always overperform polling in the runoff in Louisiana. Runoffs and special elections. Look at 2002 when Republicans were already calling Landrieu a nice shiny christmas present for Republicans, or Melancon's district, or the Governorship in 2003.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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so
losing elections doesn't foreshadow doom.  We didn't win the OH-2 special election in 2005, that didn't mean we weren't going to gain a bunch of seats in 2006 anyway.

You're just using every race as an example of a national movement.  Madia losing in MN-3 really made me realize something.  It doesn't matter one bit how strong of a national trend or movement there is against or for a candidate, if that candidate is not what the people want representing them than that is that.  The national tide was with us, the fundraising with us, the issues were on our side, the people simply wanted to go with someone they trusted and that was Paulsen.  It was not indicative of anything.

Us losing LA-4 will reflect NOTHING except that LA-4 would rather be represented by whoever the Republican is rather than Carmouche.

Quit reading too much into EVERYTHING about EVERYTHING, you are probably ruining your post-election high that we all still have, enjoy and worry about this shit later when it matters more. It is ENTIRELY too early to be worrying about losing tons of seats in 2010 when Obama hasn't even fucked anything up.


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OH-02
is a heavily Republican and Conservative seat that Bush won 64% in.  The fact that Democrats came so close there showed that Democrats were in great shape.  

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Two points
Us losing LA-4 will reflect NOTHING except that LA-4 would rather be represented by whoever the Republican is rather than Carmouche.

Correction: It will reflect nothing except that LA-04, as of late 2008, would rather be represented by John Fleming than Paul Carmouche.

when Obama hasn't even fucked anything up.

Yet.  Let's just hope that the next two years are handled with the grace under fire that Obama has shown so far in dealing with McCain and the Republican machine.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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Lets hope not
In 1992, Clinton sure knew how to deal with the Republican machine but was unable to deal with them in 1993 and 1994 and he and the party got a big ass whooping in 1994.  

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I'm not so sure about that
Clinton was a good campaigner and always a fantastic speaker, but the GOP machine didn't emount to much in 1992 as it has since that time.  I think Clinton took things for granted.  He was elected with big democratic majorities, including a congress that was controlled by his party for four decades.  Obama on the other hand has experienced almost his entire political career under republican rule.  He knows better than Clinton did in 1992 how formidable the republican machine can be.  I cannot imagine we will see the kind of rookie mistakes, such as letting hugely important legislation get voted down from Obama as we did during Clinton's first two years.

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Thats true
I wonder if Obama realizes that if he governs poorly, he could lose the House in 2010 or came very close to doing so.  Even falling down to around 225-230 in House seats in 2010 would likely stall his agenda.  

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He has to know
And the people Obama is surrounding himself with know it too.  People like Tom Daschle (who will head HHS) know full well how impossible it is to govern with tiny majorities and how easy it is to lose them.  So far I like the people he's appointed.  They should compliment him very well and serve as good advisors in the areas of expertise he lacks in.  But I do wish he'd stop appointing people who will cost us seats.

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Who can bring home more bacon - dems or reps?
I guess the Louisianians are not thinking along that line.

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but plus, we're not losing this seat
this seat hasn't been in dem hands for decades, and this state, particularly the northern part, hates obama with a passion and always has and always will probably.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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this seat
is not as Republican when you get below the Presidential Level. And I'm not sure voters are going to "punish" a popular Dem cos Obama is president. It's just one poll and frankly Carmouche is a tough pol..he can win this, if we let him play it right.  

Indepedent/Lean D. Dude.
All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


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Well, turnout
will likely be low. And Republican voters are, usually, much more "disciplined" then Democratic ones. If this election would be held Nov. 4 -  i would consider it "lean Carmouche", but in low-turnout election, which is most likely, it's,  "lean Fleming"

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not in Louisiana
Republicans are very undisciplined in Louisiana and Democrats traditionally do extremely well in low turnout elections. I have family in this district, and even the Republicans support Carmouche. These polls are suspectable.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

[ Parent ]
Breaking from CNN:
Barack Obama's top choice for secretary of homeland security is Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano, multiple sources say

No link as of yet.


God damnit
There goes our chance to pick up AZ-SEN in 2010.  

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Uhh... no
She'll still be under a ton of pressure by the DNSC to run in two years.  She can easily resign her cabinet position in early 2009 to run for Senate.  Johanns did the same thing this year.

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Oh, thank God someone said it.
It's not like Obama is sending her to Mars or anything. She'll be around and I imagine that a macho national security post will give her a boost in AZ.

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Sorry James. I didn't realize that this was the LA-04 thread. n/t


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Napolitano Resigning from Cabinet
Chad, I hope you meant early 2010 as 2009 is right around the corner. :)

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why would she do that?
We all criticized Johanns for doing that.  If she intends to run for Senate, she should stay gov, it looks less douchey.  

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I never did
People change jobs all the time in this country.  There's nothing wrong with it.  Especially so if the voters don't care.

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Thanks for the tip
But in the future, let's try to cut down the off-topic chatter in non-open threads. You're always free to post a new diary for this sort of thing.

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What James said (eom)


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