Overly broad def of "swing state"

Either that or you'd better be explaining what the hell you were thinking supporting a primary against a Senator in a swing state last year.

24 closest states in 2004:
WI 0.38%
IA 0.67%
NM 0.79%*
NH 1.37%
OH 2.11%
PA 2.50%
NV 2.59%*
MI 3.42%*
MN 3.48%
OR 4.16%
CO 4.68%
FL 5.01%
-------------- (States not heavily contested in 2004)
NJ 6.69%
WA 7.18%*
MO 7.20%
DE 7.59%
VA 8.21%
HI 8.75%
ME 9.00%
AR 9.76% *
CA 9.95% *
IL: 10.34%
CT: 10.36%
AZ: 10.47% *

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by: DemocraticLuntz @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 17:35:57 PM CDT

Brother

You really need to work on your 'tude. Don't go around demanding that people do certain things that suit you.

I said "swing state, or something like it." But thanks for the list of state-by-state data which was already included in an earlier post that I linked to... in this post.

Anyhow, isn't it a little bit late to be trying to prove how unwise you think we Lamont supporters were? You're trying to demonstrate that either I'm an idiot for thinking CT is a swing state, or I'm an idiot for supporting a senate primary challenge in a state that actually is a swing state.

Neither argument holds any water because of course I don't think CT is a swing state. I merely pointed out that Karl Rove fired a bunch of US attorneys in states that happened to be close. Some are bona fide swing states (eg, NM, NV). Some are downright reaches, or even unreachable. But remember that Rove himself thought CA was in play in 2000 (he's got "the math"), and it did tighten considerably in 2004, so this might have affected his thinking.

And anyhow, as for swing states, I've always cast my net widely. That's because, at least at the start, campaigns do as well. Even Kerry campaigned in Louisiana, a state which he lost by almost 15 points.

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by: DavidNYC @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 18:45:42 PM CDT

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If you're casting your net widely, CT is a swing state based

on the latest Q-Pac poll.

Link

Clinton over McCain 48-40
Obama over McCain 43-38
McCain over Edwards 44-40
Clinton over Giuliani 46-44

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by: DemocraticLuntz @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 18:59:19 PM CDT

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And my point was that your "swing state" logic is more likely

being overly paranoid than anything else.

Further proof: Christopher Christie and Jim Letten weren't fired.

I believe Kerry lost more margin from Al Gore's totals in New Jersey than he did in any other state, and New Jersey's Democratic party probably provides more opportunities for corruption probes than does any other state's Democratic party (and yet Christie hasn't gotten any high-profile indictments yet).

Jim Letten has, to my knowledge, not yet gotten Bill Jefferson indicted.

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by: DemocraticLuntz @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 19:15:28 PM CDT

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That is, your particular election fraud theory

fails for everywhere other than WA and perhaps NV (although seeing as the Democrats have lost all the recent close races in NV, that's unlikely as well) . We know why Iglesias and Lam were fired, and none of the others are from real swing states.

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by: DemocraticLuntz @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 19:18:22 PM CDT

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I suppose Michigan could fit, but there was something

with some Republican  named Geoffrey who a Dem made an accusation about that is more likely the cause.

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by: DemocraticLuntz @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 19:21:38 PM CDT

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what about

Wisconsin and Minnesota?  See the linked story in my posting below for an update from Wisconsin.

You appear to be working under the assumption that all the facts are in already.  This story might still have legs.

The House awaits a reply to what happened to a sixteen day gap  in the e-mails provided by the White House.

Executive privilege cannot be claimed if George Bush was not personally in the decision making loop and nothing so far suggests he was.  At the moment they are left with the paper thin argument that two Bush employess talking to one another is worthy of Executive privilege as well and that won't fly in Court.

"My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." -- Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

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by: walja @ Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 05:09:42 AM CDT

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This isn't my area,

but Chris Christie did start some kind of publicized investigation of Bob Menendez in the months before his 2006 election.  There were no indictments because the charges were apparently bullshit, but Christie was trying very hard to work with the RNC's strategy of creating the appearance of corruption.  And Christie is now routinely mentioned as a NJGOP up-and-comer who will run for governor someday soon.

I don't really know how this NJ matter fits into the larger, unclear disagreement between you and David, but the idea that Christie was not playing ball with the GOP just isn't correct.

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by: texas dem @ Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 08:04:46 AM CDT

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it is more widespread than is being reported

In Wisconsin the GOP was absolutely desperate to pin voter fraud charges on Democrats, especially in the black areas of Milwaukee. 

GOP shill Stephen Biskupic is the Attorney in question in Wisconsin.  His brother Vince was defeated by progressive Democrat Peg Lautenschlager in 2002 running for Attorney General and his brother was eviscerated with charges that justice was for sale.  He allowed rich defendents to donate money to a fund he was associated with and in exchange he gave GOP financial players fines and probation rather than prison terms.

Meanwhile Republicans in Wisconsin were complaining that Stephen Biskupic was not persuing aggressively enough election fraud complaints here in Wisconsin.  Though, surprise, surprise, none of them are owning up to it now.

It should be noted that other than Rep. Gwen Moore's son and 3 buddies being convicted for slashing the tires of vehicles that were to be used to ferry GOP voters to the polls on election day, nothing the GOP ever claimed was substantiated.  It was all smoke screen and spin to portray the Doyle adminiatration as corrupt because the GOP cannot win a fair fight on the issues anymore in Wisconsin.

Here is a link to the story from Madison's GOP newspaper the Wisconsin State Journal: http://www.madison.c...

"My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." -- Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

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by: walja @ Sat Mar 24, 2007 at 18:15:40 PM CDT

More evidence David was correct

here is a linked story on how the BUSH White House has politicized the Justice department.

http://rawstory.com/...

"My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." -- Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

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by: walja @ Sun Mar 25, 2007 at 14:56:26 PM CDT

Washington state attorney scandal brewing as well

The D.C. Political 27 March 2007 is reporting developments in Washington state indicate the reason US Attorney John McKay was fired by the Bush White House was because he refused to bring voting fraud charges against Democratic Gov. Christine Gregoire's campaign in connection with her razor thin victory margin in 2004.

"McKay claims that White House Counsel Harriet Miers and her Deputy William Kelley asked him why Washington Republicans would be mad at him."

"My name's Dr. Multimillionaire and I kicked your ass." -- Rep. Steve Kagen D-WI to Karl Rove

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by: walja @ Tue Mar 27, 2007 at 01:24:09 AM CDT