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Rothenberg Admonishes Van Hollen For... Doing His Job

by: James L.

Mon Sep 15, 2008 at 11:31 PM EDT


There he goes again. Fresh off from trashing liberal bloggers (like us) for pushing "long shot" House candidates, Stuart Rothenberg is taking aim at DCCC Chair Chris Van Hollen himself for the crime of, um, promoting Democratic House candidates. But let's walk through Rothenberg's latest opus one step at a time before we get to that.

After a long hangover spent lying face-first in the gutter, the GOP is on the upswing, Rothenberg says:

Given that, it certainly appears that the DCCC is running a risk by promoting some candidates who have little or no chance to win in the fall, and by lumping together very strong contenders with second-tier campaigns.

Running the risk of what, exactly? Losing the undeniably uphill races and having blowhards like Stu Rothenberg say "I told you so!" in their beltway-brained columns? I think that's a risk that the DCCC would gladly take with a yawn.

Rothenberg singles out the campaigns of Sam Bennett (PA-15), David Boswell (KY-02), Judy Feder (VA-10) and Anne Barth (WV-02) as dubious choices for the committee's "Red to Blue" program based on either the redness of their districts, the popularity of the incumbents, or their financial disadvantages. That's all well and good, but who says the DCCC shouldn't fight against the odds? After all, as well-timed expenditures by the DCCC in districts like CA-11, KS-02, KY-03, NY-20, and PA-04 showed in 2006, it's worth keeping your options open and having as many strong campaigns in place around the country as possible. Instead, Rothenberg would rather see the DCCC wave the white flag like "sensible realists".

Rothenberg seems to subscribe to a very particular view about politics: if a campaign is not in the obvious top tier of pickup opportunities, they are not worth your attention or even your respect.

Take his sniping against the candidates listed in the DCCC's "Emerging Races" and "Races to Watch" slates, which he lambastes for including some "truly odd" and "bizarre" choices like Jim Harlan (LA-01), Linda Ketner (SC-01), Josh Zeitz (NJ-04) and Ron Hubler (IA-05). Rothenberg admits that Democrats are not expecting upsets by this bunch, and that their inclusion on these lists does not mean that the D-Trip is committed to funding them, but he can't seem to wrap his mind around the fact that the committee wants to give these hard-working candidates a friendly pat on the back. I guess he would prefer Chris Van Hollen to give each candidate a personal kick in the ass instead.

Rothenberg goes even further:

But if the DCCC is going to go out of its way to promote certain races, it ought to be responsible for those selections.

Responsible how, exactly? Should the DCCC be tried before a jury of Stuart Rothenberg, David Broder and Brendan Nyhan on charges of slight exuberance in the service of politics? Should we be demanding that MAD Magazine devote an issue to mocking the D-Trip? Should we get out there and tar-and-feather Chris Van Hollen?

Somehow, I have a feeling that CVH's reputation will do just fine after this election. Not that Stu Rothenberg would agree:

But if the national landscape continues to move even slightly more back toward the Republicans, eroding (but certainly not eliminating) the Democrats' huge early advantages, DCCC Chairman Chris Van Hollen (Md.) might find himself promoting dozens of candidates with no chance of winning. And that would be embarrassing and self-defeating.

It's sort of funny. This is at least the second time this year (by my count), that Rothenberg has implied that Van Hollen should be ashamed of himself. (Back in May, he claimed that CVH should be embarrassed for putting GOP incumbents on notice after Travis Childers' win.) But does he deliver this kind of special scorn to NRCC Chair Tom Cole? No, he bends over backwards to call Cole "not the real problem". Of course, the fact that Cole lost three special elections in deeply red seats is nothing to be embarrassed about. Not at all.

But hey, since we're talking about people who ought to feel embarrassed, how about Stu Rothenberg himself for writing all this?

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Old Man Yells At Cloud.
  I think we all remember Rothenberg mocking Chris Bowers for his advocacy of the 50-strategy strategy.  By Rothenberg's logic, Cole is embarrassing himself because he is promoting losing candidates: Republicans.

John McCain lets lobbyists shape his economic policy

This Rothenberg fellow is an idiot.
I could write better stuff than this crap. And I could probably make it appear to be bipartisan.

Oh, and if your reading this Stuart, I'd love for you to check out some real journalism. Just follow the link -

http://www.mediabistro.com/fis...


that is grotesque
In a wave election, there are always some unexpected pickups. It would be ridiculous for the DCCC not to be putting money behind some longshots.

In 2006 they ignored Carol Shea-Porter in NH-01 as well as Dave Loebsack in IA-02, but we won both of those.

There are bound to be a few big surprises in November. Rob Hubler is doing a great job in IA-05, a district no Democrat had seriously contested in a while. It's appropriate for him to get some recognition from the DCCC for that. Anyway, his race is not hopeless. The district is similar to Nancy Boyda's  in terms of demographics and partisan lean, and we saw how that went in 2006.


Nancy Boyda, too
Lest we forget, Nancy Boyda was put over the top by $700,000 in late Independent expenditures by the DCCC.

What was really criminal were "efforts by th DCCC where needing 15 House seats they pushed ... thirteen.  And got five.

Remember the Colorado Rockies.  They needed to win something like 16 of 17 games at the end of last season and did and kept on winning (was it 21 of 22) till they made the World Series.  Well, the carriage turned into a pumpkin but they had the greatest stretch run (tied actually with the 1938 Chicago Cubs) of all time.  I am shocked that all the teams on the fringe of this year's races aren't using the Rockies as a rallying cry.  Rothenberg would have ruled the Rocks out at the start of the season.  Well, Carol Shea-Porter was the Colorado Rockies of House elections.  And somebody may will do it again while the in-crowd cries in their beers about the losses of their old DC pals like John Sweeney.

The thing is, anybody who wants to win 30 seats needs to stretch the field to 60.  Some will turn into pumpkins but the GOP's resources will stretch very thin.  And Rothenberg's crazy races made it happen.  Tim Walz, anybody?  A lot of GOP resources went into defeating Wendy Wilde in another Minnesota race who got some hype and spent maybe $60 K.  

With gerrymandering, etc. the GOP really has only about 100 super safe seats.  The number rises from cycle to cycle because of weak candidates but that means Democrats could conceivably run against 100 GOPers  (or GOP held empty seats) with at least some hope this cycle.  Seats like NJ-2 or DE at large have great PVIs but are weakly contested.  That's more of a problem to me than the seats Rothenberger is moaning about.  


[ Parent ]
Its September
This isn't September of 2007.  This is September of 2008.  Many states will begin early voting in less than a month.  And yet somehow Van Hollen should be afraid of expanding the field because at some point in the future the GOP could raise some money.....????

This guy is an absolute idiot.  Being on the Red to Blue doesn't guarantee you a single dime.  Yet somehow Rothenberg seems to think that Van Hollen is gonna spend a million bucks in all of these districts.  Its absurd.

"Keep the Faith"


In fairness, I think Rothenberg is arguing that Van Hollen is ripping off some donors,
by leading them to funnel money into campaigns that are hopeless.  I interpret his argument to be that by treating Red to Blue as the equivalent of a Team Spirit award, Van Hollen is (inadvertently?) causing real donors to put real money into campaigns that are not real campaigns, like say Steve Scalise/Jim Harlan in LA-01.

Given the audience for his column, that's the only argument I can figure out that would make any sense, and it's an argument that one would couch in fairly discreet rhetoric if one were making it.

I don't know if there's sufficient reality to justify that argument though.  Are poor ignorant jillionaires on the coasts really dropping significant coin into DCCC "Emerging Races?"  Or is Stewie just a concern troll who likes to question the judgment of the DCCC for kicks?  I bet he liked Emanuel at the helm a lot more than he likes Van Hollen, for instance.  (Whereas most of us DFHs online prefer Van Hollen's inclusivity to Emanuel's exclusivity.)

There are 54 races in Red to Blue right now.  On one hand, that is kind of a lot.  Even Patrick McHenry's challenger is on the list, and lord knows that is reaching awfully deep.  

On the other hand though, if you want to win 25 seats, you have to play hard in 50, and almost all of those 54 have at least a 20-25% chance of winning, which is close enough to merit serious effort.  I don't actually fault the list.

Given that Stewie has the luxury of actually ranking challengers into tiers (something the DCCC could never publicly do), I see why that list throws him for a loop.  It's a pretty diverse group of campaigns.  But he must understand the difference between "analyst" and "party committee", so I still don't see why he's griping in a column about this.  Do something useful and analyze the Palin effect for us, Stewie.


[ Parent ]
Having spoken with campaigns
I can tell you that being on the main Red to Blue list is vastly more meaningful in terms of opening up avenues to $ than being on the second- or third-tier lists. That's the whole point of having multiple lists, so that you can use them to send different signals. Like you say, there are no librul richie riches who are about to drop a ton of cash on Jim Harlan as a result of this.

[ Parent ]
Daniel Johnson in NC-10
is a legitimate challenger to Patrick McHenry.  And if Johnson wins, he will put this district out of reach the same way Heath Shuler has done in NC-11.

I think Van Hollen is making sure he doesn't overlook any potential pickups like the DCCC did in 2006 when they ignored Larry Kissell in NC-8.  After all, Kissell came within 329 votes of winning last time.


[ Parent ]
I've been wondering about this one, so maybe you can make the case for me.
Wasn't NC-10 drawn by the Democrats to be a Republican district?  Isn't it the most Republican district in North Carolina?

[ Parent ]
Rothenberg can kiss my ass.
Next!

Hypocrite.
The Rethugs let two longshots (David Cappiello in CT-05 & Charlie Summers in ME-01, both of whom like many "Emerging Races" and "Races to Watch" candidates face a small but reasonable chance of an upset) speak at their freaking convention.  Can you imagine what a huff Rothenberg would be in if that had been, say, Jim Esch and Josh Segall and the DNC instead?

Oh man.
Rothenberg would have been fuming with disdain and contempt.

[ Parent ]
I checked, just because I thought maybe we did.
But nope, we gave speaking slots only to Senate candidates, and only the top tier: Shaheen, Udall, Udall, Allen, Merkley.

I don't even count Warner as a candidate anymore.

Who should we have given a speech to?  Dennis Shulman might have been nice.  Darcy Burner could've done well with one too.  And Dan Seals or Linda Stender -- really any top-flight challenger in an expensive media market who is name-rec challenged and needs the free media.  And they had multiple segments where they were reaching for high female representation, so they could've cut short some of those and given some time to Kay Hagan, Kay Barnes, Debbie Cook, et al.

Anyway, water under the bridge obviously.  


[ Parent ]
IIRC
Van Hollen dragged a few candidates up on stage with him.

[ Parent ]
Correct
I remember getting an email from the Madia campaign being like, watch Ashwin at the DNC!  

[ Parent ]
His head would have exploded most likely
ZOMGZ! CVH WASTIN DCCCCCCCCCCCC CRED AND REP!!!!!!!!!111 JUZ RONG!!!!!!!!11 BIZREZD@!!!!! I CAN HZ SAF CMPIGNS?Z?D!!?!!?!111

[ Parent ]
How DARE they!?
The GALL! The shocking gall of it all, I say!



[ Parent ]
Rothenberg is probably
the dumbest pundit in Washington. And that is saying a LOT.

Let me mock him for a little bit.

1. His source on Dent being popular and in good shape for re-election? A "knowledgeable GOP insider." Does Stu even know that there are real people who live in congressional districts or is there only DC insiders in his world.

2. Stu attacks Bennett for not showing any good poll numbers and then in the next paragraph dismisses Boswell (who has lead in every poll of the race). He also ignores the fact that Boswell had a much harder primary and focused on his job in the state senate not raising money during the session.

3. He attacks Judy Feder by saying Wolf has a big lead, but doesn't show any poll proving that.

4. Does the same thing. Apparently Capito already is winning 2-1 and McCain is winning big as well. I didn't know the election had started!

5. Harlan is on the FREAKING EMERGING RACES list. That means they ARE NOT YET top tier. How hard is that to understand?

6. More citing of non existent polls to prove his point. These are Races to Watch. The DCCC is putting NOTHING into them. When you don't risk anything there ain't a risk.

Sometimes I read something and I just want to scream at whoever wrote it beacuse it is so wildly wrong. This is one of those times.

Good god Stu Rothenberg is a idiot.


Well
In fairness, Stu probably sees "off the record" polls that are not released to the public. Though God knows if I were Capito and I were leading 2-1, I'd publish that shit for the world to see.

Another thing Stu can't grasp is that even if a guy like Jim Harlan won't win (and let's face it, the odds are extremely grim in that district), it's not like he's not serving a purpose given the number of contested races in Louisiana this fall. With Harlan spending his own fortune against Scalise, he's forcing Scalise to drain more money out of the GOP's money swamp -- that's cash that perhaps could have gone to Boustany, Cassidy, or one of the three stooges in LA-04.

But Rothenberg refuses to think along those lines. You're either worth his time, or you're not.


[ Parent ]
Is Rothenberg a registered R?


Bill Posey is not half-alligator...and is outclassed by Davy Crockett anyway: http://www.washingtonmonthly.c...

STUCATS!
IN CURIOUS COINCIDENCE OV TIMIN, TEH DEMOCRATIC CONGRESHUNAL CAMPAIGN COMMITTEE HAS ADDD NUMBR OV CONGRESHUNAL DISTRICTS 2 ITZ VARIOUS LISTS OV COMPETITIV CONTESTS AT EGSAKTLY TEH SAME TIEM DAT REPUBLICANZ R SEEIN AN UPTICK IN THEIR POLL AN FUNDRAISIN NUMBERS AN AN IMPROOVD POLITICAL LANDSCAPE.

GOP STRATEGISTS R QUICK 2 POINT OUT DAT THEY DON'T KNOE WHETHR THEIR BRIGHTEND PROSPECTS WILL LAST, BUT WAN NOTD DAT RESENTLY RECEIVD SURVEY DATA "WUZ TEH MOST ENCOURAGIN DAT I'VE SEEN IN 2 YEERS." NUMBR OV DIFFERENT SURVEYS HAS SHOWN CLOSR CONGRESHUNAL GENERIC BALLOT AN BETTR GOP IMAGE RESENTLY.

"WE R SEEIN REAL CHANGE UP AN DOWN TEH BALLOT, FRUM STATE LEGISLATIV RACEZ 2 CONGRESHUNAL 2 TEH PRESIDENTIAL," SED WAN ENTHUSIASTIC REPUBLICAN OPERATIV.

GIVEN DAT, IT CERTAINLY APPEARS DAT TEH DCCC IZ RUNNIN RISK BY PROMOTIN SUM CANDIDATEZ HOO HAS LIL OR NO CHANCE 2 WIN IN DA FALL, AN BY LUMPIN TOGETHR VRY STRONG CONTENDERS WIF SECOND-TIR CAMPAIGNS.

If I did much more in this comment I think James would kill me. If you want to see the full LolCat version of Stu's rantings you can go here

http://docs.google.com/View?do...


You can put lipstick on a prick...


Just got off the phone with Rothenberg...
... or someone who works at the Rothenberg Report, at least.  He vigorously defended the column, and claimed that he criticized Cole either for something similar or when it was justified to do so earlier in the cycle.  He was insistent that the column wasn't a rant so much as a "criticism" of Van Hollen.  He also left open the possibilty that the changing conditions that he said have been verified through independent polling and other litmus tests ( often not made available to the public), might be more of a blip than a trend, and claimed that the column reflected this, as well.

I told him that although I still don't agree with him, I appreciated his attempt to defend it and actually discuss things with his critics (which is more than you can get from someone like Sarah "In what respect, Charlie" Palin.  He says he's going to send me an example of a column where he criticized Tom Cole from months ago.  Still waiting for it to arrive in my inbox, but I expect I'll get it soon.


OK, got it...
... the e-mail account it was sent from was Stuart's himself.  The e-mail included three columns dated November 27, 2006, February 8, 2007, and October 29, 2007 (although the one from 2006 apparently feels the need to criticize Howard Dean in the same column, so...).  If anyone is interested in reading the ones he refers to, I will be happy to copy and paste them here, or send them to Swing Staters via e-mail.

Again, I think he deserves a small iota of credit for actually being willing to engage in dialogue with his critics, although that isn't enough to necessarily make this situation OK.  I guess we'll see what happens for the rest of the cycle.


[ Parent ]
I'd be mildly interested in knowing what he wrote.
I don't need to see the whole thing but a summary might be nice.

In our defense, Rothenberg really doesn't make a whole lot of sense when talking about CVH. I mean, D-trip is trying to win right? Not concede races. Period. His understanding of politics comes off as worse than novice. You could go as far as to say he is just plain stupid when it comes to winning elections. Which is what we and CVH have been doing. Winning.


[ Parent ]
I wish I could say I'm motivated to actually read and summarize...
... all 3 articles, but I can't.

However, all three articles are still available on the web and I've linked to them 1) here, 2) here, and 3) here.

Now, have at him.  I tend to agree with people who say that these articles, none of which were actually written this year, hardly make up for his overall history, even if we can say the outlier in the mix is this last article, since the situation did change briefly (but could very well change back pretty soon).  He claims that the enviroment has changed recently, but judging by other commenters, he had a bit of the same smarmy feel even before, during and right after we won those 3 special elections, so...


[ Parent ]
Rothenberg can come off as entirely reasonable...
in interviews and in correspondence. But his columns are something else.

Note the dates of the articles he sent you -- 2006, 2007, 2007. Not one article after the three House specials saying that Cole should feel embarrassed? Seriously, I looked. Maybe I didn't look thoroughly, but I read his post-mortems for LA-06 and MS-01, and he more or less gave Cole a pass -- or at least, he didn't give him the kind of smack talk that he loves to direct at CVH.


[ Parent ]
I largely agree.
Also, I can't say that I read his articles on a weekly basis, so perhaps I was not the best person to make the call, but I have a lot of coursework piling up on me lately so I don't really have the time.  I did feel that someone should have personally called him up, and no one thus far on this thread said they intended to, so I felt I was as good a person as any, but in hindsight I probably wasn't (at least not if I wasn't going to do some homework before making the call, and I have enough of that as it is).  I think we bloggers should work on assigning some kind of "system" where we assign a point person who is best-suited to make sure the columns on the political situations make sense and don't push an underlying (or in some cases, overt) GOP partisan agenda.

[ Parent ]
Just look at his current house ratings
And it's plain to see that he's badly out of touch.  I cannot believe people actually pay money for his analysis.

what are some examples of his ratings that are so off base ? eom


[ Parent ]
Stu is a complete stooge
I think we've all made that clear. Who keeps buying his shit?



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