There was a rumor about this thread

said it was going to be renamed 2Q Fundraising Reports and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skulls.

Guess the creators liked the original title more.

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by: trowaman @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 01:30:40 AM CDT

But were they from Mars

Or the "space between spaces"???

[bangs head against wall]

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by: DavidNYC @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 09:04:17 AM CDT

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Kirkpatrick

Kirkpatrick's haul is pretty lackluster in a district that should be an easy win for the Dems. I think that's just one of the many omenous signs about her. It's a shame that we have to settle for her when there's a much more progressive candidate (Howard Shanker) that has been marginalized by the DCCC.

Glad to see the Dan's (Maffei and Seals) doing well though. Unlike Kirkpatrick, they should both be solid progressives.  

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by: greg91020 @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:11:02 AM CDT

Maybe you didn't read the post carefully...

But Kirkpatrick says she raised "significantly better" than $260K, which was what she raised last quarter. So chances are that she had a good quarter.

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by: James L. @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:23:21 AM CDT

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Why let facts get in the way

when you have an ax to grind?

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by: zac @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:35:09 AM CDT

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Kirkpatrick

I don't have an ax to grind. I just think it's a shame when we rush to a coronation nomination and get stuck with a lackluster "centrist" in the mold of Carney and Mahoney.

And in that massive district (geography-wise), $260,000 last quarter IS a pretty lousy haul. Especially considering that both parties have essentially written this race off.

I'm just saying that we'll probably look back on this race 2 years from now, after we win the seat by 10-15 points, and see that she's racked up a pretty mediocre (at best) voting record...  

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by: greg91020 @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:16:20 PM CDT

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You know what I'll be looking at in 2010?

When she wins re-election.  Funny how the two people you named, Mahoney and Carney, are both facing tough re-elections.  Those "Mediocre at best" records are probably better than having a record that is too liberal for the district, setting us up for a loss in the near future while Republican challengers are still biting.  

This is like the McMahon v. Harrison debate all over again.  

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by: JeremiahTheMessiah @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:24:59 PM CDT

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There's mediocre at best...

Then there's giving aid and cover to our enemies. Mahoney and Carney undermine the Democratic brand and don't even appear to have good links within their communities. Both of them are vulnerable if the national mood switches back towards Republicans or if they don't get a good redistricting.

I'd rather hold a seat with a progressive who will face tough re-election races and probably won't last more than threee terms than with a mealy-mouthed centrist who will triangulate against the party and still lose within three terms.

None of that is to attack Kirkpatrick - I know very little about her - but the evidence just isn't conclusive yet that any conservative Dem will overperform a liberal one in a swing district. Character matters, and particularly now that we have a decent majority, it should be taken into account.

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by: Englishlefty @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 14:06:51 PM CDT

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Republicans

We could always just give the seat back to the Republicans, I mean,  that appears to be what your trying to do anyway.  

Long will I support the Blue Dogs as long as they fit in with their districts.  Idiots like Lipinski need to defeated but there is no way in hell a liberal would have won these races last year and we'd have a Republican sitting in this seats.  

Until some people understand this, the netroots will never be an effective tool for promoting the Democratic name.  This is why I've all but ditched DailyKos for its decision to go after Dems next election instead of continuing the effort to elect more Dems.  Target the worst offenders.  I'm pretty sure Jeremiah has a list somewhere of Dems who don't vote with their district.  Take the top 5 from that year after year and hit them hard, but going after the Dems now, is a recepie for handing the Republicans back the power.  

Check out http://electioninspection.word... for the latest news, election results, poll analysis, and predictions

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by: skywrnchsr509 @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 16:17:46 PM CDT

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We're like, 1-3 or 1-4 for primary challenges in '08.

We should only try 1-2 per primary cycle if we're actually going to win them.  We should shoot for Lipinski and Barrow in 2010.  

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by: JeremiahTheMessiah @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 17:01:43 PM CDT

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Kos

Kos is still trying to get more Democrats elected; almost all the money raised and front page real estate is dedicated to that.  As far as going after Democrats, the only ones I can recall Kos has pimped challengers to since the November 2006 election, have been Lipinski, Wynn, and Jefferson.  Totally agree with him on all three of those.  He certainly has talked more about shifting toward electing better Democrats.  I'll wait and see what this means when the rubber hits the road before jumping ship (if I may mix my metaphors).

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by: sicembears @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 20:39:05 PM CDT

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I don't think you get it.

Mahoney and Carney are favored in their bids for re-election.  They can't get hammered for being "out of touch" with their district.  Kirkpatrick probably won't face serious challenges, as she will be a good fit for her district.  Ah la VA-11 Connelly and NY-13 McMahon vs Byrne and Harrison.  Mahoney and Carney are better fits for their district and will survive longer than 2010, which is the point I was making.  They will survive.  Unlike someone who doesn't fit their district, and is inherently unelectable, and can't survive the "mood change"

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by: JeremiahTheMessiah @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 17:00:40 PM CDT

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Alright

How much did Shanker raise then?

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by: Lucas O'Connor @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 17:48:20 PM CDT

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I disagree

How is a candidate in a "massive" district (geography-wise) supposed to fundraise better than a candidate in a smaller district (geography-wise). Those larger districts tend to be more rural, as they are less populated. The people in AZ-01, esp the many Indian reservations should be much poorer than the (potential) constituents in urban or suburban districts, even though the CDs there should be much "smaller".  

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by: micha.1976 @ Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 09:12:21 AM CDT

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If Shanker is such a great candidate, why doesn't he hold local or state office already?

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by: JeremiahTheMessiah @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:43:28 AM CDT

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Who's Kevin Powell

or what is NY-10?  I haven't heard about this district before on SSP.

Bill Posey is not half-alligator...and is outclassed by Davy Crockett anyway: http://www.washingtonmonthly.c...

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by: Glenn Magus Harvey @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:28:44 AM CDT

Some primary challenge. I doubt it means jack really.

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by: JeremiahTheMessiah @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:42:43 AM CDT

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(fake) PRIMARY ELECTION RESULTS

Edolphus Towns - 32%
Kevin Powell - 30%
Jack Really - 38%

Bill Posey is not half-alligator...and is outclassed by Davy Crockett anyway: http://www.washingtonmonthly.c...

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by: Glenn Magus Harvey @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 10:58:36 AM CDT

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He's Kevin from the Real World!

He played the role of 'angry black guy' in the cast of the very first Real World on MTV in 1992. Of course, depending on your age, that may be ancient history to you, like saying "He's Kevin from the Pelopenesian War."

Anyway, he's got some celebrity supporters (Dave Chappelle held a fundraiser for him) and I think a lot of young activist types are enthused about him (and/or enthused to get rid of the complacent Towns). But he hasn't held office before, and I doubt he has the networks built to dislodge Towns, whose picture is next to "entrenched" in the dictionary.

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by: Crisitunity @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:18:30 PM CDT

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Has there ever been a show title that's such a misnomer?

Normally, I would say that having "Real World cast member" on your resume should be enough to disqualify anyone from ever running for anything.  But as I understand it, the first season or three were actually pretty good, so this guy might get a pass on that front.

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by: WestCoastMC @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 13:54:50 PM CDT

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Nah

It was good up until like season 9 when it became more about drinking, sex, and fighting.

Also, another real worlder whose name I dont remember from the Boston season lives in Kagen's district and has been mentioned as someone to run against him in the future.  I remember reading he was possibly going to run this time but Gard ran again.

He was the lumber jack guy who wore glasses and was pretty hot.

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by: Andrew @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 15:11:20 PM CDT

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Sean I believe

He is, I recall Attorney General in some city there in Wisconsin. Not really sure where, and I might have read that wrong. He was fairly conservative, but also, you were right, pretty hot.

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by: Venslor @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 17:42:28 PM CDT

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Yep

Sean. He married Rachel from RW San Francisco, a lovely Young Republican in her own right.

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by: Lucas O'Connor @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 17:50:50 PM CDT

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Any word from Debbie Cook in CA-46?

Her thank you letter said she had met her goal, but not that the goal was.  How'd she do?

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by: Mimikatz @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 12:20:27 PM CDT

haha

I work for the campaign and I don't really know. I have a feeling CA-46 is going to be one of the later releases. Be patient. haha Oh, and feel free to donate more. haha I asked some of my friends to donate, and found her thank you note in the outgoing mail at the offices today. Made me laugh. haha

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by: Venslor @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 17:43:50 PM CDT

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what did I say

900,000 thousand for Kirk in this quarter.  

Call no man happy until he is dead-Aeschylus

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by: ArkDem the Ragin Cajin @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 13:59:40 PM CDT

A Couple from Minnesota

http://www.mncampaignreport.co...

Steve Sarvi (D) MN-2 Q208 Raised: $145,889

· Cash on hand: $95,000

Erik Paulsen's (R) MN-3 Q208 Raised: $600,000  . COH $1.1 mill

Strong numbers from Paulsen in the open 3rd District. Ashwin Madia (D) has a tough target to shoot for.

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by: MinnesotaMike @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 16:30:18 PM CDT

Heh, the next title needs to be

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the 2Q Fundraising Reports :P

Your go-to source for great sarcasm

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by: DGM @ Tue Jul 08, 2008 at 18:05:59 PM CDT

GA-12

After seeing these numbers I hope that Barrow wins this primary and next year we find a strong, progressive candidate who actually wants to put forth some effort in the primary, and who will work hard to represent this district, not somebody who wants to do as little as possible and hope to sneak by.

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by: TheGame08 @ Wed Jul 09, 2008 at 00:12:00 AM CDT