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VA-Sen: Tim Kaine Running for Senate

by: DavidNYC

Tue Apr 05, 2011 at 1:13 PM EDT


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VA-Sen: Tim Kaine Running for Senate | 102 comments
Finally!
Kick Allen's ass please!

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
Here's hoping he wins
It'd be great if my state didn't re-elect a racist.

22, male, VA-10
Not technically "re-electing" a racist
Since Allen isn't the incumbent, he wouldn't be "re-elected" - although since he won once (2000), then lost (2006), if he is elected in 2012 he'd be "elected again" - which is an interesting (and relatively rare) variation of "re-election"
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eh, close enough
George Allen is the reason I became a Democratic operative. This is the one senate race I'd want to win in '12.

22, male, VA-10
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I was active beforehand
But there's no question Allen is one of my least favorite Republicans. I want my state to remain solidly blue on maps of its Senate representation.

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05
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Yay, and ahead of schedule.
I hope he has what it takes to win this.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
So, when does he resign as DNC Chair?
Also, I like this announcement, it feels like a well-produced bio campaign ad.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
Agree
Good vid. Good couple days, first Heinrich now Kaine.
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I won't say it yet...
But at some point, I hope to say those four words I'm so used to saying here.  ;-)

2012 is NOT 2010. It's a Presidential year, and we're already seeing better recruiting on our side while the GOP is running into more trouble. It's too early to know exactly what the national climate will be, but I'm increasingly confident it won't be like last year.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)

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In one sense we hope last cycle does repeat
Good recruitment start by Dems meant nothing. No question that until now the Republicans were having the best of it.
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He has resigned as DNC Chair, effective immediately.
His resignation was posted on Blue Virginia.
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How long until a new
DNC Chair is announced?  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
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Soon.
My sources tell me that list has come down to five candidates: Alvin Greene, Al Sharpton, William Ayers, Michael Moore, Theresa Heinz Kerry, and Keith Olbermann.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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That's six candidates.

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I'm counting
Sharpton and Greene as one person. Or is it three-fifths of a person? Are we being strict to the Constitution today?

Too offensive?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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.
Extremely offensive.

http://captionsearch.com/pix/s...

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

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Well, you never know.
I happen to work with a lot of non-whites, some of whom make the sort of comments that would make a lot of whites blush.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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Yeah this was not a good comment, sorry
I know you didn't mean any harm by it, but it was not acceptable. Please don't make remarks like this in the future.
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Me and my stupid lame sense of humor...
I'll think twice before making a joke that seems funny in my head but, when said/typed, turns out to be stupid in any number of ways. My apologies.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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you left out
joe biden's barber.......
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He was in the running,
but he didn't support the public option.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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What if
Olbermann and Heinz Kerry had a baby, could that be the DNC head?
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Debbie Wasserman-Schultz
So says Politico

22, male, VA-10
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Tim Kaine's eyebrow for Senate!
Has there been another state with two successive Senate contests between former governors?
Wow, great trivia question

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It's highly unusual
Here's what it requires:

1) a state with single-term term limits, in order to produce enough popular former governors who are also out of a job;

2) a swing state, so that there are enough former governors from both parties;

3) even then, it only happened in this case because the one of the former governors who was disgraced (Gilmore) but nevertheless managed to win his party's nomination anyway.

To put this in perspective, in Michigan there are three former governors who could have run for Senate in the recent past: Jim Blanchard, John Engler, and Jennifer Granholm.  But even if they all ran for Senate in the next two cycles, that would still only be three -- and the only other former Guv available would be eighty-nine-year-old William Milliken.

About the only way you can do it in other states is to allow for acting governors who weren't elected to the job.  In Louisiana, Bobby Jindal, Kathleen Blanco, Buddy Roemer, and former acting Governor Jim Folsom, Jr. could all run.  But four elected former governors?  That's a new one.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...

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It could be done with three.
You could have the loser of the first one then run two (or 4) years later against the other person.  It would just require the loser from the first one to be of a different party than the other two.

Now, if we include people who were Governors running for Senate while still holding the Governor's office, does that add any possibilities?

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Here's one that's close
In 2000, former Missouri Governor John Ashcroft lost his Senate seat to Mel Carnahan, who was a former governor by virtue of having passed away before the election.  At the time, Missouri's other senator was Kit Bond, a former Governor.  However, Bond never defeated a former Governor for his seat.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...
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OH LIRL
Man, I'm sorry, but this made me burst out loud in laughter:

who was a former governor by virtue of having passed away before the election

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Hold on...
let's first wait and see if George Allen is sufficiently Tea Partyish to survive the primary.  We here know Allen is incredibly conservative, as well as a total douchebag, but that's not necessarily enough for these Tea Party types.
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This "real" Virginian...
is very excited for this news. I am going to work my butt off to see that Kaine and Obama are elected in Virginia in 2012. I really like Kaine's chances here and with Virginia being a targeted state I can't see him lacking any money. Allen is too polarizing to win in a blowout so I see a close race here. It would be nice to re-defeat George Allen again.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  
About Freakin Time
Hopefully he gets that creepy eyebrow thing under control!
Slick ad.
Glad to see Kaine get in, and I think with Obama's help he'll win.

Warner and Kaine, together again.

Some genuinely good news.
As much as I like Tom Perriello and his fighting spirit, Kaine is the safer bet, and there will be other opportunities for him, whether it's five or ten years down the line.

Now, that's a good introductory video. I like the fact that he's running on himself, like Sen. McCaskill, which leaves him the opportunity to secure the base but also attract those outside of it.

Any idea of when he starts campaigning?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

today

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I mean, specifically, when does he
start holding rallies and giving speeches?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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right now is ALL about the money
fundraising is priority one; that racist pig allen is still uber-popular with the reich-wing(the money spent on this race will break all previous VA records)
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as a jew
i find the term "reich-wing" offensive.  just saying, i think you should avoid.  99.9% of republicans are not nazis

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)
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GREAT NEWS
like him or not; he is by far our best hope of keeping this seat blue(since webb said no to a second term)
I was for perriello
But stopping George Allen is the main priority. Maybe Perriello will run for senate after Warner steps down to run for governor again

22, male, VA-10
that ad is slick
hope sharron angle's crew never gets a clue and watches how real production is made like this one
Don't bet on it...
Unlike Kaine, Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron is not favored by the party establishment and hates working with anyone outside her inner circle of tea-nuts.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)
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sorry; i was joking
her crew is perhaps the worst i have ever seen(worse even than o'donnell's "i am not a witch" intro ad)
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I know, right
I fouund myself expecting that coffee cup to do something.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
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totally agree
the coffee cup prop was absolutely a focus stealer(i was waiting the whole time in that ad to see how the 'cup' came into to play)which was NEVER utilized(just a total "amateur hour" crew that angle is using)
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I guess this is good news
I would have preferred Perriello, but realistically Kaine gives us the best shot at keeping this seat, so no problems here.

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem
I guess
This means its time to take down the Perriello for Senate petition tagline.

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem
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How about for 2014?
Hehe

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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I really hope so
Perriello would be such an upgrade over Warner

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem
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How about a Perriello rematch?
I think he could have a chance.
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has his district
been carved up yet? or left mainly intact?
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we'd have to see what VA-5 looks like
I honestly think Warner will step down and run for governor again. Perriello's young and VA Dems don't have anyone else, he could run for that

22, male, VA-10
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Warner's probably
going to run for president at some point, so perhaps Perriello could wait him out.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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Against Hurt?
Perriello would definitely win if VA 05 stays largely the same, but with the incumbent protection plan probably going to be implemented, VA 05 goes from 51-48 McCain to something like 53-46 or 54-45, and Perriello probably could not win that district. It's a damn shame.

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem
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If the Republican House of Delegates map is any indication
I'm willing to bet they split Albemarle County between VA-05 and VA-06. That would effectively kill the chances of any Democrat in VA-05.
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So even with...
the University of Virginia in that district, it'd just be too red?
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Yeah
Charlottesville is a pretty small part of the district's population.  
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Perriello
There is another big race in 2013 he may be interested in.
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yep
and that will be an open seat as well
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McAuliffe
All the rush to solidify around Kaine among the state party? That's what's going to happen with McAuliffe in 2013. And quite frankly, we could use his money and energy to fuel the downballot races. Maybe we could actually attempt to win some state house seats in southern VA

22, male, VA-10
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The problem is
McAuliffe is not going to be a big vote-getter downstate. If he or Moran had been the nominee in 2009, it might have saved some of the NoVa seats, but I don't think either would have done any better than Deeds did in rural Virginia.
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he would have saved my rep, chuck caputo
I just think with VA's lax campaign finance regulations and McAuliffe's uber-rich friends, we could fund a good field program for downballot races. But hey, you're never gonna get a candidate as good as McDonnell again for the Republicans so we'll see.

22, male, VA-10
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perhaps
but deeds ran a pretty weak race(even for that awful dem year); turnout among the party faithful was zero and even a doug wilder was stabbing him in the back for a far right loon like mcdonnell
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definitely
and Sheila Jackson endorsing McDonnell was a big get for him too.

22, male, VA-10
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But based on her statement
that she made after that flap over the proposed holiday to honor the Confederacy, I see no way she endorses a Republican again.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
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She was a moron to do it in the first place
And she looks dumber for complaining about something the GOP pushed for after the fact.  Its the Republican party in Georgia for godsakes.

Her endorsement will be meaningless going forward, her money however still meaningful.

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.
Virginia, not Georgia.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.
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Yeah, BlueVA did an article saying
basically: "Why are you surprised?!  Did you honestly think he'd be any different?"

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
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yep
That'll teach her not to support a VA Republican again

22, male, VA-10
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?
Sheila Johnson.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.
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Ex wife of
Black Entertainment Television founder and big time Clinton supporter Robert Johnson.  The endorsement was a pretty big deal when it happened.
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.
I know who she is. I was correcting Bahrat, who said it was Sheila Jackson. Her last name is Johnson...

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.
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wmayes correction illustrates why I think Bharat is wrong on this one......
Sheila Johnson didn't matter.  Her endorsement was all media hype, and the TV ad she cut irrelevant, neither important to voters.  In fact Deeds still got 90% of the black vote per the exit poll, and I think it's awfully tough to argue that McDonnell would've done any worse with any other demographic or any corner of the state without her endorsement.  She just didn't matter.

And that Bharat got her last name wrong, innocently enough, reinforces my point.  Even political junkies have a brain fart on her name.  How do you think everyone else who voted in '09 reacted?...with a "who?" and a shrug, that's how.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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McDonnell ran a great race
McDonnell ran a very good campaign, staying on the jobs message for the entire year. The term paper controversy didn't hurt him, and in fact lured Deeds into making attacks on a social issues front. For 2009, McDonnell definitely had the right approach.

The combination of factors resulted in Virginia's biggest gubernatorial landslide since the end of poll taxes.  

22, male, conservative, VA-08 (residence), CA-15 (school)

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Right approach for McDonnell overall
The thesis brought him down some according to the polls, but Deeds didn't use it effectively enough.

It wouldn't have been such a landslide had Deeds paid more attention to NoVA.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!

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Problem wasn't Deeds using it "effectively enough," it's that he used it too much......
The thesis hit did work for awhile.  But then it receded in influencing voters because Deeds never came up with a complete narrative that scared people from McDonnell.  Deeds touched on a few votes McDonnell cast as a state legislator, but didn't make those votes prominent, and otherwise Deeds just didn't land a punch.  But then Deeds kept hammering away at the thesis angle long after it ran its course.

Deeds had some unbelievably stupid advisors.  I hope they never get to be closely involved in a major race again.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Good!
Hope he wins..
Now the question is whether Bobby Scott runs...
About a third of Virginia Dems are black, and I'm doubtful that's enough for Scott to mount a serious bid here. Presuming he passes, I suspect it's a barn burner through election day and Kaine probably prevails. That being said, I'd wager many Indies opt to vote-split on the presidential and senate races. I'm just not sure whether they'd be more inclined to back Obama or Kaine.  

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Scott and Ticket Splits
Scott essentially has a guaranteed seat in the House as long as he wants it, and I don't see him risking it. While there's no reason I can think of that he couldn't get at least some white votes, he doesn't get many in his district now (where voting patterns are more polarized by race than in the rest of the state.) He's got a record you'd expect of someone from a safe Dem district, which may not translate well in some parts of the state, but that's not a huge problem in a Dem primary where African-Americans and NoVA liberals are major voting blocs. At this point I imagine Scott might be rusty since he has not had anything resembling a serious challenge for his re-election in quite some time.

As for ticket splitting, I am having a hard time picturing someone who votes for Obama and Allen at the same time. I find it much easier to imagine people who vote for Kaine over Allen (or someone even more conservative) but choose the GOP nominee for President.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03

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He wouldn't abandon it
Well not automatically. In VA one can run for both Senate and House Primary.  
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Tim Kaine: Feel the excitement!
There's no way a guy as charismatic as this can lose an election!  <--sarcasm

Still, Kaine's a good guy and a competent public servant and the most obvious A-lister who could make the race, so I hope he punts George Allen's prop football all the way back to Palos Verdes.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

Him waiting so long
was getting me excited for possibly Perriello, but this is good and makes the race a slight Dem lean where Periello would've been a toss-up in the beginning.
Kaine did the video in Spanish, too

For those that don't know, Kaine once worked as a Jesuit missionary in Honduras and is fluent in Spanish.  

Male, VA-08
That explains his amazing language skills.
I at first thought it was a well-synched dub.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
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Rory Reid, too, is fluent in Spanish......
And the idiot never bothered to cut a Spanish-language ad last year.  He should've cut one and narrated it himself, looking into the camara.  This in Nevada as his dad pulled out all the stops to maximize Hispanic turnout.  Very irritating when obvious mistakes like this happen.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10
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The most obvious mistake was Rory running at all
No poll ever had him in a lead, and few even showed he had any chance.  
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That's actually pretty cool.


Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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Jesuit?
He work with Jesuits? Then sure he do know three prominent basque catholics:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/I...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P...

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I had no idea his Spanish was that fluent.
Same eyebrow, though, in either language...
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Ha!
It's funny how much more animated he sounds en espanol than he does in English. lol

25, independent liberal, MI-08
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Solid Spanish
Though the Spanish speaking population isn't what it is in my native New Mexico, he speaks very well. Obviously he has an accent but I have no doubt that with the small Latino community here that it will definitely be looked upon favorably.

I'm excited for his candidacy and am happy to be voting for him again.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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Solid Spanish
Though the Spanish speaking population isn't what it is in my native New Mexico, he speaks very well. Obviously he has an accent but I have no doubt that with the small Latino community here that it will definitely be looked upon favorably.

I'm excited for his candidacy and am happy to be voting for him again.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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Heinrich in New Mexico, Kaine in Virginia
Your former and current home states are definitely serving up some good candidates!

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!

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Fine by me
I would've preferred Perriello, but I suppose the Democrats need some top-tier talent to bump off Gov. McDonnell or Atty. Gen. Ken "Kooky" Cuccinelli in 2013.

Godspeed, Chairman Kaine.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

VA
No one can knock off McDonnell, because he can only serve one term. Perriello could run for the open seat, of course.

41, Ind, CA-05
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Oh, yes...
I always forget that about Virginia.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native
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Kaine is the best choice for Dems in Va.
Tim Kaine is the best candidate for the US Senate in Virginia. In fact, he is the logical choice. I like Tom Perriello a lot, but Kaine has a solid record to run on from his days as governor. George Allen is really tarnished goods. Yeah, Allen will win the countryside aided by his fake southern accent and scuffed up cowboy boots, but Kaine offers so much more which luckily doesn't include any "Macacca Moments." This race will be won or lost in the urban crescent stretching from NOVA, Richmond and the Tidewater. I like Kaine's chances here.  
I glad, very good new

The recruitment is going well in the democratic side.
Now, in VA, I would like to see for 2013...

J Webb for Governor

T Perriello for Attorney General? or for Lieutenant Governor?

That would give live for a good number of years to the political career of these succesfull democrats from Virginia.

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2013
Webb is done with politics so he is out.

TMac (who I am not excited about) is going to try again but I hope that Perriello would entertain thoughts. Tom can't run for AG as you have to be licensed by the Virginia bar for 5 years before you are eligible and he isn't eligible now. Bummer.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
NY Post floats more Pataki 2012 chatter
(Sorry, wrong thread)


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