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Can a Republican Nobody Win the Nomination?

by: Inoljt

Mon Apr 04, 2011 at 6:15 PM EDT


By: Inoljt, http://mypolitikal.com/

It is the June, 2012. The Republican candidate, recent winner of the party's presidential nomination, rises up to deliver a triumphant victory speech. He launches a full-throated defense of conservatism, inserts a few sly attacks on the Democratic president, and thanks his opponents for endorsing him.

Just six months ago nobody had heard about him. Yet then he won the Iowa caucuses, shocking everybody in the political world. New Hampshire followed, then a string of victories that utterly defeated his remaining opposition. Mitt Romney, Sarah Palin, and Mike Huckabee never stood a chance.

How likely is this to happen?

More below.

Inoljt :: Can a Republican Nobody Win the Nomination?
Well, it is certainly within the bounds of conceivability - although admittedly somewhat unlikely. There are several factors that ought to be considered.

Firstly, there is the state of the current Republican field itself. This is a surprisingly weak selection. There are a number of potentially strong candidates out there. The problem is that none of them are running.

Unlike most previous contests, there is no obvious front-runner such as Governors George W. Bush or Ronald Reagan. Former Governor Mitt Romney is the one who best fits the definition. But Mr. Romney's political skills are uncommonly weak; there is something about him (and this is a personal characteristic, not his Mormonism) that just turns-off voters.

So, unlike previous nominations, there is still plenty of space for a surprise Republican candidate to enter.

What about historical precedent? Here the picture is still pretty good. History is full of surprise candidates taking the nomination by storm. The most recent instance is, of course, the president himself (although he was actually pretty well known amongst the Beltway before 2008).

Even more encouraging might be example of President Jimmy Carter. Nobody, not even those immersed in politics, had heard of the peanut farmer before he ran for president. As late as January 1976 - the equivalent of January 2012 today - only 4% of Democrats chose him as their candidate. But Mr. Carter won the Iowa primary through retail politics, and then a string of other small primaries to build momentum.

There are other examples: Senator John Kerry in 2004, Governor Bill Clinton in 1992, and arguably Governor Mike Dukakis in 1988. These should hearten an ambitious yet unknown Republican.

On the other hand, all these examples come on the Democratic side. For whatever reason, political unknowns haven't been as successful in the Republican Party. The last time the Republican frontrunner lost was in 1964, when Senator Barry Goldwater won the nomination (probably not the most inspiring model). Perhaps there is something in the nature of conservatism that is less attracted to exciting, new candidates of change.

At the moment, however, the chances that an unknown Republican will win the nomination better than they have been since - well - 1964.

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Well... Of course, every 'unknown' candidate
you have there was an incumbent Governor or Senator. And today there is much more early speculation and profiles on most possible candidates.

People like Pawlenty and Barbour and Thune and Jindal would have had 1% name recognition in 1980 at this point.

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)


Not likely to happen at all
The Republican Party prefers to nominate big names in the party, taking chances isn't what they do.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

Then I am confident that they will lose the 2012 presidential election.
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Even if they nominated someone not
on the current lists, Obama would still probably win.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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There are Republicans who could give him a good challenge.
I talked about them in this post. I believe these are Republicans who have proven that they have a lot of political skill and the ability to successfully court voters (which is not to say I personally like them).

But I think that none of the current Republican candidates (with the exception of perhaps Mike Huckabee, if he's running) has the political talent that a guy like Scott Brown or Marco Rubio has.

http://mypolitikal.com/


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Who is this nobody?
When you, I, and everyone else says a "nobody," they mean someone that is not currently on the radar, someone not frequently brought up. But in reality, this person isn't a nobody. This person will be a public figure, someone that has almost certainly run for office in some capacity before. If you created the most expansive list possible, you'd probably get about 500 names, between all of the current and recent congressman, senators, and governors, as well as some random person like a military general or celebrity. But of course, that list would include people that would never ever be on a ticket. Reduce that 500-person list to 100 people, and it's still too big. Get it down to 25 or 15 people and then you might have a reasonable list.

The point I'm trying to make is that there's really a very small list of people that could be considered plausible presidential candidates. At this point, I think we've heard about almost everyone they could run, especially if you include those potential candidates that have made small noise about running but that virtually nobody is talking about, like Alabama Governor Bob Riley. Run down the list of senators and governors that might run, but don't include ones like John Thune or Rick Perry that have ruled it out. Stretch your imagination and consider both the big states and the small ones.

Now, tell me, what names have you come up with?

The reason they are talking up people like Rubio and Christie is that they don't have anyone else. And unless there's someone that I am simply not remembering, that means we are with left with the people currently running.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


He's a guy like Bob Riley, who I'd never heard of until now. :)
On a more serious note, would Jimmy Carter have made your list of 25 people in 1975? Would Bill Clinton in 1991? What about Mike Dukakis in 1987?

I sincerely wonder about this question, because I simply don't know about the political climate back then. There's a difference between people the public hasn't heard of, and people even political experts like us haven't thought of. Did political experts imagine Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, and Mike Dukakis becoming president at this period before their respective presidential elections? I honestly don't know, and although I've done some research I'm still missing answers.

http://mypolitikal.com/


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Clinton maybe
He gave the keynote on the opening night of the 1988 DNC. Whilst he bombed, that does suggest sufficient notability to be considered a reasonable prospect for the 1992 nomination, especially since most weren't keen to challenge Bush after his Gulf War bounce.

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Maybe, maybe not.
But again, think of the questions I asked, and be as expansive as possible. If someone has served as a governor or senator in the last, say, 15 years, try to imagine him or her as a national candidate. Hell, even try to imagine moderates like Jodi Rell winning the nomination. I'd be astonished if you come could up with a list of names that was more than ten people long.

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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If you haven't seen it already
You might be interested in this.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...


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Sure they would have.
Carter has about the same statute as someone like O'Donnell, provided that O'Donnell were interested in the Presidency.
Clinton is kind of a mix of Barbour and Jindal- Jindal's SOTU response combined with Barbour's demographic profile- and Dukakis is kind of like Pawlenty.

Another way to put it is that every current Governor or Senator who openly started considering running has extensively been reported on by the media.

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)


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Does Donald Trump count?
Apparently he is closest to Romney in the NH poll PPP will release tomorrow. Seriously.

Donald Trump
I suppose it's fitting, since both the GOP and Trump are becoming parodies of themselves.

21,Democrat, NY-02, male

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Here's a dark horse: Scott Walker
While there's the recent PPP poll where his favorability is comparable to the most liked of the current R candidates, he's a northener with Tea Party appeal.

Sure Ds are energized against Walker, but not to the extent as they would be against a Palin or a Gingrich.  


I've thought the same thing,
but just what the hell is he going to run on if his proposal to bust unions doesn't go into effect and the Democrats flip the state senate through recalls?

No, the Democrats might not feel the same anger towards him that they feel towards Palin or Gingrich, but they would, because he'll act just as they would act.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Unfortunately, it'll probably go into effect
Because Prosser won.

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Not true that "nobody had heard of" Carter
He was on the cover of Time magazine-a big deal in those days--in 1972.

Jindal
My personal pick, as a GOP devotee, is Piyush Amrit "Bobby" Jindal. Now before you begin to laugh, hear me out. Yes, that speech was terrible, and he's acknowledged that he botched it (I read his book), but he was originally picked to deliver it for a reason. Several, actually. Agree with him or not, you have to admit his resume is impressive: former Louisiana Secretary of Health and Hospitals, former president of the University of Louisiana System, former Assistant Secretary of Health and Human Services, former Congressman, and current Governor of Louisiana. Did I mention that he's only 39? He would have more experience than Obama did in 2008, he's known as a rock-ribbed conservative, he's Catholic (hello, Rustbelt), his healthcare expertise fits the current debate, and he happens to not be white (which in the current American lexicon reduces the the possible effectiveness of the race card).

17, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-07 born and raised


That's great but
you should probably know that the mods have frowned upon Republican boosterism in the past.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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eh
I don't think his post was out of line. A list of reasons why he expects Republicans to like Jindal is germane to a thread about potential dark horse Reep candidates.

41, Ind, CA-05

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idk, sounded more like
something I'd expect to read on NRO, especially with the poorly veiled potshot at us ("he'd have more experience than Obama did in 2008"). But I guess this is DavidNYC's decision.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Maybe
The comment could have been worded a little better to apply more directly to the diary, but I have seen enough cheerleading comments posted on this site to think that it was within bounds. Maybe I'm just new, but that's how I see it.

17, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-07 born and raised


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i think
this was in line. again, it's up to the mods, but firstly, i like having more high school students here :) and second, it basically just lists qualifications.

although if you are new here, two things:

1) RRH-ask if you don't know about it
2) be aware of the double standard

but welcome to the site!

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)


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Thanks!
Sorry if it sounded like boosterism. I am a fan of his, but I was trying to make my case in relation to the diary. I knew that there were some double standards here, but I didn't know that they extended to the mods, so thanks for the warning. Also, please forgive my ignorance, but what does RRH stand for? Again, thanks.

17, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-07 born and raised


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Red Racing Horses
it's the Republican counterpart to SSP (i.e. you can be as Republican as you want there).

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Interesting choice.
Yeah, Jindal's another Republican with potential who isn't running.

http://mypolitikal.com/

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He's not the worst
person to suggest, but I'm still not sure what he offers that some other conservative doesn't.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Well,
he's young and not white, for starters. And in terms of the primaries, he offers southern primary voters a completely guilt-free alternative to Haley Barbour, while still allowing them to nominate a fellow Southerner, which trust me is a high priority among many people down here. Have you heard him before? his voice is as Dixie-fried as mine, and some elements of my family have been Southerners since the 1600s.

17, Male, Conservative Republican, TN-07 born and raised


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