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VA St. Sen. Howell Districts in Dave's App

by: TXObserver

Thu Mar 31, 2011 at 5:08 PM EDT


[Ed. note: This is impressive work. I took the liberty of moving the list of demographic & political info into a table. - David]

There was a request for the .drf file that I created for the Howell proposal of the VA State Senate, so why not make a diary.

For the .drf file, click here.

Caution: the Howell plan splits precincts, which I don't think Dave's App allows for. On some districts, it's a judgement call, like on the borders of the 15th & 20th districts or the 7th & 14th districts. The non-ability to split precincts is also why districts will have the variances in population.

And yes, the numbers correspond to the Howell numbers, i.e. District 1 below is District 1 in the Howell plan.

Data table below the fold.

TXObserver :: VA St. Sen. Howell Districts in Dave's App
District Obama McCain White Black Hisp. Asian W VAP B VAP H VAP A VAP 2000-09 D 2000-09 R
1 58% 42% 55% 31% 8% 3% 59% 29% 7% 4% 52% 48%
2 70% 30% 38% 51% 5% 3% 41% 50% 4% 3% 65% 35%
3 38% 62% 81% 13% 3% 2% 82% 12% 2% 2% 39% 62%
4 39% 61% 77% 15% 4% 1% 78% 15% 3% 1% 38% 62%
5 74% 26% 35% 55% 5% 3% 38% 53% 5% 3% 69% 32%
6 57% 43% 60% 26% 8% 3% 62% 25% 7% 3% 54% 46%
7 52% 48% 55% 28% 8% 7% 59% 24% 7% 7% 52% 48%
8 63% 37% 53% 30% 10% 5% 57% 28% 9% 5% 56% 44%
9 75% 25% 38% 55% 3% 2% 41% 52% 2% 2% 71% 29%
10 39% 61% 76% 15% 3% 3% 78% 16% 3% 3% 37% 63%
11 42% 58% 68% 25% 4% 1% 70% 25% 3% 1% 40% 60%
12 41% 59% 77% 11% 4% 7% 78% 11% 3% 6% 39% 61%
13 43% 57% 66% 21% 4% 6% 68% 21% 4% 6% 43% 57%
14 37% 63% 81% 9% 4% 3% 83% 9% 4% 3% 38% 62%
15 37% 64% 74% 22% 2% 1% 76% 21% 2% 1% 37% 63%
16 72% 29% 35% 53% 8% 2% 38% 52% 7% 2% 64% 37%
17 51% 49% 70% 17% 8% 2% 72% 17% 7% 2% 47% 53%
18 64% 36% 42% 52% 3% 1% 44% 51% 2% 1% 61% 39%
19 37% 63% 91% 4% 2% 1% 92% 4% 2% 1% 39% 61%
20 49% 51% 66% 28% 4% 1% 69% 27% 3% 0 49% 52%
21 57% 43% 73% 16% 4% 4% 76% 15% 4% 4% 55% 45%
22 51% 49% 65% 9% 10% 13% 67% 9% 9% 13% 46% 54%
23 37% 63% 80% 14% 2% 2% 82% 14% 2% 1% 39% 61%
24 36% 64% 88% 6% 3% 1% 89% 7% 3% 1% 35% 66%
25 58% 43% 81% 10% 4% 3% 82% 9% 3% 4% 56% 44%
26 41% 59% 86% 3% 7% 1% 88% 3% 6% 1% 38% 63%
27 43% 57% 83% 6% 7% 2% 85% 6% 6% 2% 40% 60%
28 44% 56% 71% 16% 7% 3% 73% 16% 6% 3% 41% 59%
29 61% 39% 41% 20% 28% 7% 45% 20% 25% 8% 52% 48%
30 66% 34% 62% 13% 16% 6% 64% 12% 14% 7% 64% 36%
31 62% 39% 68% 5% 12% 12% 69% 5% 11% 12% 60% 40%
32 61% 39% 68% 5% 9% 14% 71% 5% 8% 14% 59% 41%
33 59% 41% 48% 9% 20% 20% 51% 9% 19% 19% 52% 48%
34 57% 43% 61% 5% 11% 19% 63% 5% 10% 19% 54% 46%
35 66% 34% 42% 12% 26% 16% 45% 12% 25% 16% 63% 37%
36 64% 36% 42% 25% 22% 8% 46% 24% 20% 8% 59% 41%
37 57% 43% 52% 7% 15% 23% 54% 7% 14% 23% 52% 48%
38 41% 59% 94% 4% 1% 1% 94% 4% 1% 1% 47% 53%
39 59% 41% 54% 17% 13% 13% 57% 16% 12% 13% 54% 46%
40 33% 67% 95% 2% 1% 0 95% 2% 1% 0 38% 62%

Under the Howell lines:
21 Senate districts voted for Obama and have a history of voting Democratic
2 Senate districts voted for Obama but have a history of voting Republican
17 Senate districts voted for McCain and have a history of voting Republican

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Thanks for putting this up
Too bad all of the free download sites are scuzzy, but this seemed to work.

This is great!
Thanks.

As a side note, would you be okay with me posting this over at Blue Virginia? I assume you don't have an account there and I believe you have to wait a week after creating an account there to post a diary. Given that some people there seemed to think that this proposal is somehow a bad map for Dems, I feel that having these numbers which show that it clearly isn't would be helpful. I'd give you credit, of course.  

Male, VA-08


I might not
You don't want people to be distracted by incidental contiguity or population problems. If people are predisposed to dislike this map, that's what they'll focus on.

Looking at this, I think my biggest disagreement is with the 20th. I would have totally reconfigured it to be more Democratic. Also, I think they could have done a better job with the 7th to make it closer to a sure thing. I do very much like their 8th, though; it's exactly what I would have drawn.  


[ Parent ]
Agreed
It would have been nice to make the 20th more Democratic, but I think they gave into the incumbent's desire to keep more of his older district. The risk is when it is an open seat.

[ Parent ]
That's the only explanation
When I was redoing the districts, I got the 20th to nearly 53-47 Obama/McCain. But you have to push the district to the east so I guess Reynolds preferred to keep more of his current district, which is a real screw job for the Dems as Reynolds isn't exactly a young man (67 years old).

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05

[ Parent ]
Well, with Ward Armstrong cut out of the House map
They at least have someone they can run if he chooses to retire in the next couple cycles.

[ Parent ]
How Many Elections?
How many elections will Ward run in over the next few years? A lost cause against Merricks in the combined district this year, a statewide run in 2013, and then finally a potential State Senate in 2015? Busy man!

[ Parent ]
I don't know why he would even bother trying to run against Merricks
He's got maybe 5 or 6 precincts of his old district in that district.

And a statewide run? Yikes, I can't believe he's even considering that. After the Deeds disaster, there's no way a DINO from rural Virginia is going to get the nomination for a statewide office. Not to mention how Puckett got crushed in the Lt. Gov. primary in 2005.


[ Parent ]
Up to You
If you want to, feel free to.

[ Parent ]
By My Count
Of the 17 districts that voted for McCain there are two Democratic Senators. In the 38th is Senator Puckett, and there's almost no way to fix that. In the 20th is Senator Reynolds, who should be fine in his district now. But it's regrettable that they didn't make it more Democratic, but district would be a toss up in an open seat.

There is one Democrat in the Obama-Republican districts, Senator Houck in the 17th. It's more Democratic and contains a lot of areas that should be growing rapidly in the next decade, between Fredickbsburg, Albemarle, and the area around Lake Anna in between. This is actually one seat I'm worried about.

The other Obama-Republican district is the new 22nd, an open seat in Northern Virginia that is one of the Obama-Republican districts. It should be competitive throughout the decade. A win here would be a pickup for the Democrats.

There are two Obama-Democratic districts with significant chances, the new 8th in Richmond and the redrawn 7th in Virginia Beach. Both voted for Obama and have a history of voting Democratic. They would be a pickup for the Democrats.

Among the other Obama-Democratic seats I notice that Chuck Colgan's seat, the 29th, is significantly shored up and could be kept when he retires.

On paper this could allow for three more pickups for the Democrats, for a total of 25 assuming Reynolds and Puckett win reelection. Puckett's seat is a lost cause probably when he retires, but we could keep Reynold's seat and stay at 24. Assuming we can protect everything else.

If I had to pick areas for long term trends, once growth continues, I'd be hard pressed. Maybe the 11th, but I don't think it's trending Democratic and it's size would make it difficult for a challenger. Maybe the 12th, especially with growth around Fluvanna and its fickle swing vote. Maybe the 13th, but it shouldn't be trending Democratic. Maybe the 26th with an open seat and the right candidate? Maybe the 27th and 28th with growth?


I agree on the 22nd
Especially since Dick Black is the likely Republican nominee.  He was last seen parachuting into VA-01 and coming in 4th place at the Republican nominating convention.  Now that he's been put into 31st, which goes into Arlington, he's pulling up steaks again and moving to the 22nd.  Apparently he was also involved in some debacle about mailing  plastic fetuses to people.

Here's a link to his announcement on a local conservative blog: http://www.tooconservative.com...

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08


[ Parent ]
Yikes
If anyone could lose that seat for the Republicans, Black could. However, it's still a very Republican district. A lot of the territory is currently represented by everyone's least-favorite wingnut, Del. Bob Marshall. It would be tough to find a strong Democratic candidate.

[ Parent ]
Uphill battle, I agree
It is probably a couple points less Republican than the 2000-9 numbers indicate due to the large amount of growth.  I have to think (or at least hope) that they had a candidate in mind if they were going to bother making that weird shaped seat.  It looks like the only elected Dems in the district are 2 members of the Clarke County Board of Supervisors.  I don't know anything about them, but I assume they'd have to be semi-credible.

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08

[ Parent ]
Well
I would like to think that Saslaw and company would do a good job recruiting them but I have almost zero faith in the Dem Senate leadership. The Democratic bench at the state level is not particularly strong and our leadership is not helping the cause.

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05

[ Parent ]
Table time!
DISTRICTNew Deeds %Old Deeds %ChangeIncumbentParty
146%37%9%John MillerD
260%67%-7%Mamie LockeD
330%34%-4%Tommy NormentR
429%29%0%Ryan McDougleR
564%70%-6%Yvonne MillerD
646%42%4%Ralph NorthamD
743%37%6%Frank WagnerR
852%33%19%Jeff McWaters*R
966%70%-4%Don McEachinD
1029%33%-4%John WatkinsR
1131%34%-3%Stephen MartinR
1230%33%-3%Walter StoschR
1334%36%-2%Fred QuayleR
1429%34%-5%Harry BlevinsR
1528%36%-8%Frank RuffR
1659%64%-5%Henry MarshD
1739%33%6%Edd HouckD
1856%59%-3%Louise LucasD
1931%33%-2%Bill StanleyR
2041%33%8%Roscoe ReynoldsD
2148%48%0%John EdwardsD
2235%32%3%Ralph Smith*R
2330%29%1%Stephen NewmanR
2427%30%-3%Emmett HangerR
2554%54%0%Creigh DeedsD
2629%29%0%Mark ObenshainR
2731%32%-1%Jill Holtzman VogelR
2831%33%-2%Richard StuartR
2945%38%7%Chuck ColganD
3059%63%-4%Patsy Ticer (retiring)D
3156%65%-9%Mary Whipple (retiring)D
3255%53%2%Janet HowellD
3345%41%4%Mark HerringD
3447%48%-1%Chap PetersenD
3558%57%1%Dick SaslawD
3651%50%1%Toddy PullerD
3745%43%2%Dave MarsdenD
3834%33%1%Phil PuckettD
3947%45%2%George BarkerD
4025%25%0%William WamplerR

The 8th and 22nd were eliminated and moved elsewhere. I put the current incumbents, but several have been moved around. Wagner and McWaters (and possibly Blevins) are in the 14th district. Smith and Newman are both in the 23rd. Wagner is threatening to move to Newport News to run in the 1st against Miller, while Smith has said he'd move to the 21st to challenge Edwards.


Dude 31 is totally at risk now!!!!!11!!11!!
Snark obviously. Looking at the numbers I have no idea how NLS thought that the district is vulnerable. I have been following the redistricting dust up on blue virginia and NLS and have a lot of respect for how you (and DCCyclone and NotJMosby) have been explaining logically why the Dem gerrymander while continuously being met with BS by critics. Great Job!

As a Maryland Republican I wish we weak kneed Dems in the Old Line State like those who are criticizing the Howell plan.  


[ Parent ]
Great!
Marsden and Colgan are really shored up, and, looking at Deeds numbers one can see they really did more than it initially appears to improve Reynolds' district.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah...
Reynolds' district shed the two counties he did the worst in back in 2007 and picked up Danville and its environs. It's definitely a better district, but it would still probably go Republican in an open seat situation, unless I guess if Ward Armstrong ran.

Colgan is expected to retire, but he hasn't announced anything yet so I didn't make a note of it. The one thing that concerns me with his district is there aren't really any other Democrats of note in Prince William County. They've got Del. Luke Torian, one county supervisor, and the Commonwealth's Attorney who's been in office since 1968.

And I swear to God, if they run Jeanette Rishell for any office ever again, they deserve to lose.


[ Parent ]
Watkins Proposal using Dave's App
So how does the Watkins proposal add up?  Again, caution because precincts have been split.

1
48% Obama/52% McCain
64% White, 21% Black, 7% Hispanic, 5% Asian
VAP  67% White, 20% Black, 6% Hispanic, 6% Asian
2000-2009  46% Dem/54% Rep

2
45% Obama/55% McCain
72% White, 14% Black, 7% Hispanic, 4% Asian
VAP  75% White, 14% Black, 6% Hispanic, 4% Asian
2000-2009  43% Dem/57% Rep

3
45% Obama/55% McCain
63% White, 22% Black, 6% Hispanic, 6% Asian
VAP  65% White, 22% Black, 5% Hispanic, 6% Asian
2000-2009  43% Dem/57% Rep

4
70% Obama/30% McCain
36% White, 58% Black, 3% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  38% White, 57% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  67% Dem/34% Rep

5
79% Obama/21% McCain
35% White, 53% Black, 6% Hispanic, 3% Asian
VAP  39% White, 50% Black, 6% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  74% Dem/37% Rep

6
48% Obama/52% McCain
65% White, 22% Black, 6% Hispanic, 4% Asian
VAP  68% White, 21% Black, 5% Hispanic, 4% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  46% Dem/54% Rep

7
74% Obama/27% McCain
34% White, 54% Black, 6% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  37% White, 52% Black, 6% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  68% Dem/32% Rep

8
43% Obama/57% McCain
67% White, 26% Black, 3% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  70% White, 25% Black, 3% Hispanic, 2% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  42% Dem/58% Rep

9
46% Obama/54% McCain
72% White, 17% Black, 5% Hispanic, 3% Asian
VAP  74% White, 16% Black, 5% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  44% Dem/56% Rep

10
78% Obama/22% McCain
33% White, 59% Black, 3% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  37% White, 56% Black, 3% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  74% Dem/26% Rep

11
77% Obama/23% McCain
30% White, 57% Black, 10% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  32% White, 56% Black, 9% Hispanic, 2% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  70% Dem/30% Rep

12
44% Obama/56% McCain
66% White, 22% Black, 7% Hispanic, 3% Asian
VAP  69% White, 21% Black, 6% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  40% Dem/60% Rep

13
48% Obama/52% McCain
64% White, 32% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  65% White, 31% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  45% Dem/55% Rep

14
43% Obama/57% McCain
81% White, 12% Black, 3% Hispanic, 3% Asian
VAP  82% White, 12% Black, 3% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  41% Dem/59% Rep

15
45% Obama/55% McCain
70% White, 12% Black, 6% Hispanic, 10% Asian
VAP  72% White, 12% Black, 5% Hispanic, 9% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009 41% Dem/59% Rep

16
38% Obama/62% McCain
79% White, 16% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  79% White, 16% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  37% Dem/63% Rep

17
46% Obama/54% McCain
69% White, 19% Black, 7% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  71% White, 19% Black, 6% Hispanic, 2% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  43% Dem/57% Rep

18
49% Obama/51% McCain
67% White, 18% Black, 9% Hispanic, 3% Asian
VAP  70% White, 18% Black, 8% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  45% Dem/55% Rep

19
51% Obama/49% McCain
55% White, 12% Black, 22% Hispanic, 8% Asian
VAP  58% White, 12% Black, 20% Hispanic, 8% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  45% Dem/55% Rep

20
63% Obama/37% McCain
40% White, 25% Black, 23% Hispanic, 7% Asian
VAP  44% White, 25% Black, 21% Hispanic, 8% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  56% Dem/44% Rep

21
55% Obama/45% McCain
60% White, 6% Black, 13% Hispanic, 18% Asian
VAP  62% White, 6% Black, 12% Hispanic, 18% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  51% Dem/49% Rep

22
63% Obama/37% McCain
49% White, 18% Black, 18% Hispanic, 11% Asian
VAP  52% White, 18% Black, 17% Hispanic, 11% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  59% Dem/41% Rep

23
69% Obama/31% McCain
49% White, 19% Black, 19% Hispanic, 11% Asian
VAP  52% White, 18% Black, 17% Hispanic, 11% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  67% Dem/33% Rep

24
69% Obama/31% McCain
64% White, 8% Black, 15% Hispanic, 10% Asian
VAP  66% White, 8% Black, 14% Hispanic, 10% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  69% Dem/31% McCain

25
63% Obama/37% McCain
50% White, 6% Black, 22% Hispanic, 18% Asian
VAP  52% White, 6% Black, 20% Hispanic, 19% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  61% Dem/39% Rep

26
57% Obama/43% McCain
60% White, 6% Black, 11% Hispanic, 19% Asian
VAP  63% White, 6% Black, 10% Hispanic, 19% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  54% Dem/46% Rep

27
59% Obama/41% McCain
60% White, 6% Black, 11% Hispanic, 19% Asian
VAP  63% White, 6% Black, 11% Hispanic, 19% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  56% Dem/44% Rep

28
55% Obama/45% McCain
59% White, 8% Black, 16% Hispanic, 14% Asian
VAP  61% White, 8% Black, 15% Hispanic, 14% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  49% Dem/51% Rep

29
50% Obama/50% McCain  (49.9% Obama/50.1% McCain)
66% White, 6% Black, 9% Hispanic, 16% Asian
VAP  68% White, 6% Black, 8% Hispanic, 16% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  45% Dem/55% Rep

30
42% Obama/58% McCain
83% White, 6% Black, 7% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  85% White, 6% Black, 6% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  40% Dem/60% Rep

31
42% Obama/58% McCain
83% White, 5% Black, 8% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  86% White, 5% Black, 7% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  38% Dem/63% Rep

32
37% Obama/64% McCain
89% White, 6% Black, 3% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  90% White, 6% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  35% Dem/65% Rep

33
59% Obama/41% McCain
75% White, 14% Black, 5% Hispanic, 4% Asian
VAP  77% White, 13% Black, 45 Hispanic, 4% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  56% Dem/44% Rep

34
47% Obama/53% McCain
87% White, 6% Black, 2% Hispanic, 3% Asian
VAP  88% White, 5% Black, 2% Hispanic, 3% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  48% Dem/52% Rep

35
47% Obama/53% McCain
76% White, 16% Black, 4% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  79% White, 15% Black, 3% Hispanic, 2% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  46% Dem/54% Rep

36
37% Obama/63% McCain
77% White, 17% Black, 2% Hispanic, 2% Asian
VAP  79% White, 16% Black, 2% Hispanic, 2% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  38% Dem/62% Rep

37
41% Obama/59% McCain
73% White, 23% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  75% White, 22% Black, 2% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  41% Dem/59% Rep

38
41% Obama/59% McCain
84% White, 11% Black, 4% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  85% White, 11% Black, 3% Hispanic
Avg. 2000-2009  43% Dem/57% Rep

39
40% Obama/60% McCain
94% White, 3% Black, 1% Hispanic, 1% Asian
VAP  95% White, 3% Black, 1% Hispanic, 1% Asian
Avg. 2000-2009  45% Dem/55% Rep

40
34% Obama/66% McCain
94% White, 3% Black, 1% Hispanic
VAP  95% White, 3% Black, 1% Hispanic
Avg. 2000-2009  39% Dem/61% Rep

Under the Watkins proposal:
15 districts voted for Obama and have a history of voting Democratic
1 district voted for Obama and has a history of voting Republican
24 districts voted for McCain and have a history of voting Republican


By my count
The Democrats would have a lock on 13 seats, and would top out at 18, assuming Deeds, Houck, Reynolds, Puckett, and Marsden managed to hold on to their seats. But that's fair, right?

[ Parent ]
NLS would like this one
Snickers

24, male, Democrat, VA-06 (currently in Italy), went to school in VA-05

[ Parent ]
Lowkell sure is commenting a ton on your map.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


oops, wrong diary
It's late.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I've done some refinements of my own
but here are the biggest two:

My 20th SD:

My 20th SD

55% Obama, 45% McCain
53% Average Dem, 47% Average Rep

My 7th:

My 7th District

59% Obama, 41% McCain
53.6% Average Dem, 46.4% Average Republican.

No other Democrat needed to be weakened.  


The 20th
is really the only major misstep in the plan.  I gather it was drawn the way it is because that's how Reynolds wants it, but it could be much better as you show.

26, Male, Democrat, VA-08

[ Parent ]
FYI
They've posted an updated map on the DLS site. It doesn't look like much has changed; they swapped precincts between the 7th and 14th to put Frank Wagner into the 7th, and they moved most of the Northern Neck into the 4th.


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