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FL, GA, and KY: Population by CD

by: Crisitunity

Thu Mar 17, 2011 at 5:23 PM EDT


Florida was one of the nation's biggest gainers, both in terms of overall numbers (18,801,310, up from 15,982,378 in 2000) and House seats (up two from 25 to 27, making it the only state besides Texas to gain more than one seat). Florida's new target is 696,345, up from 639K in 2000.

Most of the state's gains come in what's called the I-4 corridor, reaching from Tampa Bay through Orlando over to Daytona Beach and down the Space Coast. (Of course, that's not consistent from district to district; the only district in the state that lost outright population is FL-10 in St. Petersburg, and Tampa's FL-11 will also need to gain voters.) FL-05, centered in Pasco and Hernando Counties north of Tampa, is now one of the largest districts in the nation, in fact. Both of the new districts seem likely to be centered somewhere in the I-4 corridor, although there was enough growth in the Miami area that it will need to expand a little, too, shifting in-between districts like the 13th and 16th a step to the north. (Miami area growth was concentrated in FL-25 in Miami's westernmost suburbs; the rest of south Florida, especially the Gold Coast, seemed pretty stable). Despite the GOP-held trifecta, predicting the final map right now is a bit of a fool's errand, though, considering that the effect of Florida's Fair Districts initiatives will probably need to be filtered through the courts and the DOJ.

Florida, as you'd expect, is one of the states showing large-scale Hispanic growth. That's not as clear-cut in the Democrats' favor as it is in other states, in that it has a large Cuban community, although that's largely limited to the Miami area and Cubans are becoming a smaller percentage of the total Hispanic community even there. Hispanic growth in central Florida tends to be Puerto Rican and Central American. The state as a whole moved from 65% non-Hispanic white, 14% non-Hispanic black, and 17% Hispanic in 2000 to 58% white, 15% black, and 22% Hispanic in 2010. While the most heavily Hispanic districts, naturally, remain the three Cuban districts in the Miami area, most of the biggest increases in Hispanic percentage have come in central Florida. In particular, see FL-08 (18% Hispanic in 2000, 26% Hispanic in 2010), FL-11 (20% Hispanic in 2000, 28% Hispanic in 2010), and FL-12 (12% Hispanic in 2000, 21% in 2010). Could we see one of the new districts be a Hispanic-majority VRA district that joins Tampa, Lakeland, and Orlando? The biggest Hispanic percentage increase might surprise you, though: Debbie Wasserman Schultz's FL-20, which went from 21% to 31%, apparently based on a lot of Cuban movement to the suburbs further north).

District Rep. Population Deviation
FL-01 Miller (R) 694,158 (2,187)
FL-02 Southerland (R) 737,519 41,174
FL-03 Brown (D) 659,055 (37,290)
FL-04 Crenshaw (R) 744,418 48,073
FL-05 Nugent (R) 929,533 233,188
FL-06 Stearns (R) 812,727 116,382
FL-07 Mica (R) 812,442 116,097
FL-08 Webster (R) 805,608 109,263
FL-09 Bilirakis (R) 753,549 57,204
FL-10 Young (R) 633,889 (62,456)
FL-11 Castor (D) 673,799 (22,546)
FL-12 Ross (R) 842,199 145,854
FL-13 Buchanan (R) 757,805 61,460
FL-14 Mack (R) 858,956 162,611
FL-15 Posey (R) 813,570 117,225
FL-16 Rooney (R) 797,711 101,366
FL-17 Wilson (D) 655,160 (41,185)
FL-18 Ros-Lehtinen (R) 712,790 16,445
FL-19 Deutch (D) 736,419 40,074
FL-20 Wasserman Schultz (D) 691,727 (4,618)
FL-21 Diaz-Balart (R) 693,501 (2,844)
FL-22 West (R) 694,259 (2,086)
FL-23 Hastings (D) 684,107 (12,238)
FL-24 Adams (R) 799,233 102,888
FL-25 Rivera (R) 807,176 110,831
Total: 18,801,310

Georgia is gaining one seat, from 13 to 14, and with that in mind, its new target is 691,975 (up from 630K in 2000). Pretty much all decade, those in the know have been expecting Georgia's 14th seat to fall in Atlanta's northern tier of suburbs, where the state's fastest growth has been in distant exurban (and virulently red) counties like Cherokee and Forsyth. The new data basically confirms that, with the heaviest gains in suburban/exurban GA-07 (worth noting: Newt Gingrich's old stomping grounds, Gwinnett County, is now the state's 2nd largest county, having shot past Cobb and DeKalb Counties) and GA-09.

Perhaps most surprising is the deep deficit in GA-02, the VRA district in the state's rural South; there had been discussion of it reaching up to take in central Macon in order to make GA-08 safer for its new Republican occupant Austin Scott, and that seems even likelier now, given that may be the only way for it to retain an African-American majority. The two VRA districts in Atlanta will also need to expand outward, but third black-majority seat in the ATL area, the suburban 13th, has plenty of population to spare.

District Rep. Population Deviation
GA-01 Kingston (R) 722,068 30,093
GA-02 Bishop (D) 631,973 (60,002)
GA-03 Westmoreland (R) 817,247 125,272
GA-04 Johnson (D) 665,541 (26,434)
GA-05 Lewis (D) 630,462 (61,513)
GA-06 Price (R) 767,798 75,823
GA-07 Woodall (R) 903,191 211,216
GA-08 Scott (R) 715,599 23,624
GA-09 Graves (R) 823,583 131,608
GA-10 Broun (R) 738,248 46,273
GA-11 Gingrey (R) 794,969 102,994
GA-12 Barrow (D) 692,529 554
GA-13 Scott (D) 784,445 92,470
Total: 9,687,653

The changes in Kentucky are much less dramatic, which stays at six seats, has seen little change in its racial composition, and which probably won't even see much movement of its current boundaries. Its current target is 723,228, up from 673K in 2000. As in many states, the truly rural districts (in this case, the west Kentucky KY-01 and Appalachian KY-05) were stagnant, and will need to gain population from districts with exurban populations (KY-02, which includes Louisville's southernmost 'xurbs, and KY-06, centered on Lexington).

District Rep. Population Deviation
KY-01 Whitfield (R) 686,989 (36,239)
KY-02 Guthrie (R) 760,032 36,804
KY-03 Yarmuth (D) 721,626 (1,602)
KY-04 Davis (R) 741,464 18,236
KY-05 Rogers (R) 670,051 (53,177)
KY-06 Chandler (D) 759,205 35,977
Total: 4,339,367
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Does Corrine Brown's
district have enough minorities to be protected under the VRA? Because if it isn't, her district my be disassembled and her voters may go to Mica, Webster, Adams, and Stearns (and Crenshaw, technically, but very little), creating one or two swing districts.

Interestingly enough
it wasn't majority-black when drawn, but now it's 52.2% black. That might be enough to keep it together. Lucky her.

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Even so
It might not pass the new redistricting standards. Florida is going to be one legal hotbed.

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Doesn't matter
Federal law (in this case, the VRA) would trump state law.

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It's not so clear
The biggest question of this redistricting cycle is the following: whether a district that was ostensibly drawn for political reasons but is nevertheless operating as a VRA seat remains protected from being broken up? I have a feeling that the Supreme Court will split 5/4 in favor of "no" on that question.  

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That's a great question.
Did you have any particular district or districts in mind?

Everytime I think of a seat, like FL3 or FL23, I think the question might be moot.   There are two factors at play here.  The GOP will certainly try to stack and pack every minority majority seat they can find.  No doubt about it.  I am sure they will contort every seat, like NC12, but you can get to 50% minority even in that seat without 1-85. So the GOP will even try to do FL3 & FL23 even as they are contorted.

The flip side is that AA democratic legislators will certainly seek to protect AA congressman.  I certainly don't hear the Black caucus saying "lets break up VA3 into three parts to elect three white democratic congressman".  Corrin Brown has already sued to keep her seat in place.  There is alot of momentum on both sides to keep minority majority seats in place. In fact the fear that some federal judge might undo a VA3 or a FL3 is one reason you might see more compromise bipartisan plans this year.

Just my IMO.  


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NC-12 is the big one
As to your speculation: the problem in Florida is that the redistricting amendments might serve to prevent that kind of political arrangement/argument. And if FL-03 isn't a protected VRA district, there is likely no argument to preserve it.  

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No major surprises in Florida
I need to really look at those population numbers in Orlando to see if a VRA seat is needed.  It might not be needed because the AA & Hispanic community might be considered two distinct minority communities with neither topping 50% VAP in one CD.  Yet the GOP still might sinkhole to protect 3 nearby seats.  Or they can preserve the old CD3.

The new amendments are already in court and I think I can safely say Florida will end up in a variety of courthouses during this redistricting season.

On surface here's how I see things playing out in Florida.

FL25 bails on Collier county and only has Dade & Monroe county for it. That will allow a seat to be created with leftovers from 13-14 plus Hillsborough part of CD12.

Miami-Dade will three Cuban & one AA and then when some lines changes to move some hispanics to one of those seats from CD20.  

What goes on in Broward & Palm county is anyone's guess.  I think Hastings seat will be a bit less AA as it may be below 50%AAVAP now. Hastings and Allen West will have tortured lines with a VRA justification?  Not sure who knows-see you in court-state or federal.

I think we will see a new Orlando seat.  Its driven as much by the New amendment as anything.  I can see a sinkhole D seat or a new seat that only takes in the heavily hispanic areas and attachs the rest of the county to Seminole area.  I am not familar enough with Orlando area to know.  Either way CD8 & CD24 when expand outward to get new areas.  

The scenerio above depends a bit on CD3 whether it goes westward or southward.  One can make a case its not VRA protected but since protecting it benefits the GOP I expect to see it in a map in some form.  When the state contend that Corrine Brown's seat is not protected-what will DOJ say?  I don't see a court ruling going against her.  That's just IMO


FL-03
It's probably going to go west to Tallahassee. You can keep it plurality-black (it's only 49% AA now) that way while also respecting county lines (Gadsden, Leon, Madison, Hamilton, Columbia, Baker, and the black parts of Duval.)

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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I was we could just redraw the lines from scratch.
But I do have to give you guys credit FL is a wonderful gerrymander heh. If I were the republicans I would cut off Rivera and or West into Dem sinkholes to shore up the rest of the south and focus on shoring up Webster and Adams in Central Florida. That 3rd CD idea really annoys the shit out of me but cant blame you guys for trying it makes sense from the POV of a republican.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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FL-25
Rivera is out one way or the other, but the GOP won't give up that seat.  Other GOP people are lining up to run for the seat even if they have to knock him out in a primary.  As for West in FL-22, so much of it depends on the Fair Districts law and if it holds up.  Part of the reason West's district is so weird is because of the shape of Hasting's district which comes down the railway tracks.
It's worth noting that Ron Klein seems to have decided against a rematch with West, which I don't think he would do if he felt he would have a good shot at winning it back.

43 - Male - GOP/Libertarian - FL 22

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There's no way that district doesn't become more Democratic
FL-22 is a mess and it's got to change, West couldn't hold it in a normal cycle if they did manage to keep it's current shape, he's too extreme for a marginal.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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West
People are very quick to count him out, but I think he may well surprise you.  It's not just that he'll have money - Grayson did and that did him no good - but West made surprising inroads with some of the Jewish voters despite the fact that he was running against a Jewish guy.  We won't know how things will develop, but FL-22 will have an ugly shape no matter what thanks to FL-23 coming down the tracks.
And Kein bowed out for a reason - if he thought getting back in would be a slam-dunk, he wouldn't have bailed.  The DCCC tried to keep him in the game, couldn't convince him.

43 - Male - GOP/Libertarian - FL 22

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It will look nowhere near as bad as it does now.
It's not VRA-protected and it can be drawn more compactly while not making FL-23 much less MM. It was a GOP gerrymander and once it is fixed up, Allen West will have little chance.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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It's shape has little to do with FL-23
It was drawn to protect Clay Shaw, who eventually lost it. Whatever FL-23 needs won't effect FL-22 to the point where it looks like it does now. Compact, the seat will be about D+8, a PVI that most moderate Republicans can't overcome, West is on the level with Bachmann, if she has to work to hold an R+6 because of her antics, what do you think would happen with West in a much less favorable district? Money can't save extremists.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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Yup, it was all about protecting Shaw, & West can't survive the Obama turnout machine......
I think West's only chance to survive is for Obama to lose the state.  If Obama carries FL again, which I bet he will the way things are trending, then his turnout operation will spill downballot.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Obama in FL-22
The 22nd was one of a handful of districts where Obama actually did worse than John Kerry (who, in turn, lost Florida by much more than anyone was expecting in 2004.) If West were in Orlando, the turnout operation would be a huge concern to him, but the elderly voters of FL-22 are not exactly the kind of people who respond well to OFA.

I think the only way to reconcile Fair Districts with the need for a spindly VRA district is to extend Rooney's 16th down that thin coastal strip of Palm Beach and Broward. West's district would disappear entirely and be replaced by a Democratic inland PB/Broward district similar to FL-19 and FL-20. The western portion of Rooney's current district would form the basis of a new Republican seat in south-central Florida.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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Odd that
Gore, Kerry and Obama all won FL-22 52-48.

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True
Lieberman led Gore to overperform in this district, while Obama underperformed.  

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Well I think Klein might have just been sick of politics.
But I honestly don't see how West survives after all of his antics and the looming redistricting. But I will give you credit as I was certain Klein would be a hold because of what I knew about West but I think a lot of that wasn't played well by the D side.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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Yes, Zomporph is silly to make anything of Klein's declining to run again......
Most defeated incumbents don't run again, and it's not because they don't think they can win, it's simply because defeat prompts them to reevaluate what to do next in life.  Not everyone feels the need to stay in Congress as a career and keep running.  Running for Congress itself requires some of the hardest work anyone can do in America, and for college-educated professionals like almost all Congressmen today are, there are many easier ways to make a rewarding living and even make a satisfying difference in the world.  That's why most defeated incumbents don't run again.

Klein declining to run again says nothing at all about West's vulnerability.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I like the westward idea myself
as that allows the GOP some freedom on FL2


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Just from a community of interest perspective
the idea of a district that goes from Tallahassee to Jacksonville to possibly Gainsville is pretty terrible. But the GOP is going to have to do everything they can to keep the huge edge they have in the delegation.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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GA-07
  I imagine Georgia Republicans will decide to split Gwinnett county in order to maintain GA-07 and create a conservative GA-14. Gwinnett county is actually slightly larger than a congressional district in Georgia. Currently GA-07 includes all of Gwinnett and parts of three very right-wing exurban counties. I imagine Republicans will give southern Gwinnett to GA-05 to keep Rob Woodall from having to represent a liberal area.
  If Gwinnett were to have its own district, I think it would be competitive in 2012 for Democrats.

24, Male, GA-05

Somewhere out there
Young just wet himself when he saw this data.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


GA-02 is not a VRA district
It was 51.4% White as of 2000.  I'm not sure what that number is now though.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

It's gradually turned back
into a black-plurality district over the decade. It's 46.5% white, 48.4% black in the data released today.

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If the numbers are right in DRA, then it is majority-minority now.


Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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Redistricting Florida: rule of thumb
The southern border of districts 5, 8, and 24 divides the excess population in the state in half. One district goes north of that line, one goes to the south.

Looks like a new district in the Orlando area, probably D, and a new district on the Gulf Coast, R, that sends 16 and 25 back across the state to the east coast.  


Atlanta
I was surprised to see Atlanta proper growing so slowly.  But, this seems to be the trend over the last decade.  Cities are reinventing themselves, but not necessarily adding many more people than they are losing.

25, independent liberal, MI-08

What's the game plan for KY?
I picture it will be like VA with each house drawing their map and the Congressional map being an incumbent protection one.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Much probably won't change
There really hasn't been much redistricting talk out of Frankfort except for some general boilerplate from a few legislators about how it's too early to speculate until we get population numbers. Now that we have them, I doubt there will be many changes anywhere in terms of partisan makeup.

Republicans will probably try to delay the process in hopes they can oust Beshear and have 2/3rds control, but even in that unlikely scenario I don't see much changing.

Chandler could probably get a better district if he asked for it, with the eastern coal counties added in. Though I would add that those counties and Lexington might as well be different planets even though they both lean Dem, and representing both in the same district would probably be a big pain in the ass.  

20, Democrat, KY-01


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College town plus coal country districts
I can think of a few.
OH-6 (Ohio Univ.), VA-9 (Virginia Tech), WV-1 (WVU), PA-17 (Harrisburg - not a college town but still a liberal city)

26, male, Dem, NJ-12

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True
But Lexington is much bigger and more of a cultural center than those towns are (not to even mention Frankfort which would also be left in).

Still, I don't mean to say that Chandler necessarily wouldn't like such a district. He'd probably do fine. It's just something to think about.  

20, Democrat, KY-01


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PA-12 sorta fits the bill
Indiana (home of IUP) and some scattered mining areas, though plenty of these are defunct and plenty of them are in the 9th. Also, is there still active mining in PA-11? While we don't really think of Scranton and WB as classic college towns, they actually have quite a few colleges between them.

29, Male, Dem, NY-20  

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