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SSP Daily Digest: 2/22

by: DavidNYC

Tue Feb 22, 2011 at 8:11 AM EST


CT-Sen: In almost a parody of Republican fat-cattery, not-very-likely GOP senate challenger Scott Frantz loves to race his million-dollar antique yacht down to Bermuda, while at the same time extolling the virtues of companies that patriotically avoid American taxes by moving their operations offshore to the very same island.

IN-Sen: Treasurer Richard Mourdock is officially kicking off his primary challenge to apostate Sen. Dick Lugar today, and he's announcing that a majority of local Republican party leaders in the state are backing him. The thing is, while Lugar may well get teabagged, Mourdock really isn't a teabagger. The establishment might be trying to get out in front of Lugar's political demise by rallying around the most acceptable alternative, but while Mourdock's no Charlie Crist, even conservative guys like him don't often assuage the true movementarians. We'll see.

MA-Sen/Gov: Fresh off his victory last fall, Deval Patrick is opening a federal PAC that, the Boston Globe says, "will pay for his expenses as he travels the country as a prominent spokesman for President Obama's reelection campaign." But Patrick insists that he'll finish his second term, and then "return to the privates sector." That was actually the Globe's typo... man, I hope it was a typo. Meanwhile, Scott Brown insists he's running for re-election, not president.

NV-Sen: Guy Cecil, the executive director of the DSCC, is heading to Nevada this week, reports Politico's Molly Ball, to meet with three potential challengers to Sen. John Ensign: Secretary of State Ross Miller, Treasurer Kate Marshall, and Attorney General Catherine Cortez Masto. (The DS has already met with Rep. Shelley Berkley.)

RI-Sen: Warwick Mayor Scott Avedisian says he'll probably decide by June whether to seek the GOP nomination to challenge Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse. Warwick is considered a "moderate" (whatever that means), and could face an impossible primary against a more conservative candidate. Recall that now-Gov. Lincoln Chafee came very close to losing a primary in 2006 against Steve Laffey while he was a sitting senator.

VA-Sen: Former Dem LG (and current ambassador to Switzerland - and Liechtenstein!) Don Beyer says he's enjoying life abroad too much to contemplate returning home for a senate run. And hell yes he gave a shout out to Liechtenstein!

WI-Sen: Your state becomes ground zero for the future of organized labor in America, drawing attention from around the country and around the world, and the stakes are huge. What do you do if you are Democratic Sen. Herb Kohl? You basically disappear and issue the most anodyne statement possible, saying that you "hope these matters can be settled in a respectful and balanced way." Eh, maybe we're better off like this - it's not like Kohl would be a big asset in this fight anyway.

IN-Gov: Mark Bennett of the Terre Haute Tribune Star has an interview with former House Speaker John Gregg, who reiterates he is giving the governor's race "real serious consideration" (as we mentioned yesterday) but hasn't offered any timetable about a decision. The piece is mostly interesting as a backgrounder on Gregg, who has been out of politics for almost a decade.

Meanwhile, Brad Ellsworth says he won't be running for anything at all in 2012 (so that would include IN-Sen as well), but veteran state Sen. Vi Simpson says she is "thinking about" entering the race.

NY-10: City Hall News has a good, in-depth look at the situation in the 10th CD, where we noted recently that Rep. Ed Towns' son Darryl, thought by some to be interested in his father's seat, is instead taking a job in the Cuomo administration. This could be a resume-burnishing delaying tactic, but with the elder Towns teetering, several big names who aren't heading off to Albany could make the race, including Assemblyman Hakeem Jeffries and NYC Council Members Charles Barron and Tish James. Jeffries is publicly saying he won't make a decision until Towns does, while the more pugnacious Barron is convinced Jeffries won't primary the incumbent - and says he's "cut from the same cloth" as old Ed. If you're a fan of juicy ethnic, racial, religious, machine, big-city politics, set against the backdrop of redistricting and the VRA, this race is one to watch.

PA-St. Sen.: How common is this? In the potentially bellwether-ish special election to replace deceased Dem state Sen. Michael O'Pake, Democrat Judy Schwank is going on the air with television ads. Her Republican opponent is reportedly set to follow. NWOTSOTB, but do state legislators commonly advertise on TV in your area?

WATN?: So Arlen Specter's hung out a shingle. Unlike a lot of dudes in his position who become rainmakers in big DC lobbying firms, the almost quaint name of Specter's new law firm is "Arlen Specter, Attorney-at-Law," and he's practicing in Philly. Meanwhile, Specter's primary conqueror, Joe Sestak, sure is busy - he's been going on a 67-county (that's all of `em) "thank you" tour in the wake of his narrow defeat last year. While the pace is probably less punishing than on the campaign trail, this kind of perambulation is usually the sort of thing most politicians are relieved to give up after they lose - so obviously people are speculating that Sestak wants to get back in some day. Sestak himself says he wants "to stay in public service of some sort," and won't deny rumors that he's interested in a 2014 gubernatorial run., but I just can't see Sestak as gov material.

Polltopia: You know how in a WWF tag-team match, there are those moments when one dude taps out and his partner comes in, but for a few seconds, they're both kinda in the ring at once, wailing on their hapless opponent at the same time? Just watch here as Stone Cold Mark Blumenthal puts Scott Rasmussen in a headlock and Nate "Superfly" Silva busts out the folding chair. When the bell sounds, we know pretty much what we did before: you can trust the outcomes of a Rasmussen poll and a pro-wrestling match just about equally.

Redistricting: NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo has releases his "Redistricting Reform Act of 2011," which would create a non-partisan commission that would draw both state lege and congressional district lines. The members of the commission would still be political appointees, though, with the governor apparently holding the final card. Cuomo has threatened to veto any old-style gerrymanders, but it's not clear to me that this bill has much of a chance, particularly since other reports say Cuomo is willing to trade this for a much bigger priority, like property tax reform.

Meanwhile, Politico has the unsurprising news that many members of Congress have recently started making generous donations to their home-state legislatures, in order to win a little love during the redistricting battles ahead. I do wish they would just post the full chart of their analysis, rather than pick out tidbits. We'd never do that to you!

Census: Bunch more states a'comin' this week: Alabama, Colorado, Hawaii, Missouri, Nevada, Oregon, Utah, and Washington will all see redistricting data by Feb. 25th.

Dave's App: Version 2.1 has been released, with all sorts of new features. Dave is also adding new 2010 census data as he is able.

Special Elections: SSP's own Johnny Longtorso, keeper of the special election flame, files this report:

We've got a whopping nine state legislative races in Connecticut on Tuesday. Eight of the nine are Democrats who resigned to join the Malloy administration, while the ninth (also a Dem) resigned due to a misdemeanor conviction. One race of note is HD-36, where CT-02 loser Janet Peckinpaugh is the Republican nominee. A couple of these races were close in 2010 (HD-99 and 101), so we may see some flips on Tuesday.

Also, in Missouri, there's an open State Senate seat in Kansas City, which should be an easy Dem hold.

And last Saturday, Republican state Rep. Jonathan Perry defeated Democratic businessman Nathan Granger in a special election that decided control of the Louisiana state senate. The chamber had been split 19-19, but now the GOP has the edge. Of course, it would only have been a matter of time before the next Dem party-switcher changed the equation, but this was actually a close, hard-fought race.

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Any reason that the digests have been coming so early recently?

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

They switched to a morning schedule last week


Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Texas St. Sen.
Members of the Texas State Senate do more advertising that some U.S. Reps... It may have something to do with the fact that they have larger constituencies, and so they are consequently even more stretched thin in their ability to reach voters.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

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Typo: than*.

A good example would be former Austin mayor Kirk Watson... he does much more than Lloyd Doggett and/or Michael McCaul. If a new liberal district is placed in the Austin media market or if the tenth is made more compact by taking up Williamson County and the more conservative areas of Travis, expect Watson to jump at challenging McCaul after the area's Hispanic growth hits that electoral threshold.

Another example is Mark Strama, a Texas Rep. Even he does more than Doggett or McCaul. McCaul, in his defense, seems to focus more on the Houston part of his district even though he lives in Austin.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.


[ Parent ]
Oi
No shout-out to the Chicago election today? Or is that a separate post?

27, Democratic, IL-01

Just wait....
There'll be plenty of coverage of Rahmageddon.

[ Parent ]
State legislative advertising
Happens here in Virginia. I remember seeing ads for the Bouchard/Stolle and Mathieson/Villanueva House of Delegates races in 2009. Running TV ads in an expensive media market like Hampton Roads (to say nothing of the inefficiency of reaching out to, at best, 40-50,000 voters) is why our state legislative races often become million-dollar affairs. It helps that there are no contribution limits, so the hottest races usually just become spending sprees for the party committees.

As I suspected
Walker seems to have overplayed his hand  

[ Parent ]
Let's be real
This is an AFL CIO poll, I highly doubt they will give us accurate results. If some big business company in WI published a poll showing people approving of Walker's plan, people here would be denouncing that in a minute. Sorry but I dont buy this at all

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem

[ Parent ]
We Ask America poll showed
that people in WI oppose Walker's proposition 53%-43%

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
There is a Gallup national poll
Showing people oppose it even more strongly. And the country is more conservative as a whole than Wisconsin.

[ Parent ]
I couldn't believe it!
I just assumed that the union busting bill would be at least sort of popular, but people are perhaps waking up.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Nope, people rightfully sense the difference
between asking public employees to pay more into pensions and health care and destroying their unions. One has something to do with helping budget deficits, the other has absolutely nothing to do with it.  

[ Parent ]
hmm
The results sound plausible, but I couldn't find a link to the actual survey to see what the question wording and ordering was.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
PA State Senate.
   Is it not common to have state legislators advertise on television in other states? I have seen State House candidates and representatives advertise in Pennsylvania even though they have tiny districts (PA has 200 member in the State House).
  The buzz from PA friends is that Schwank is shoo-in. We'll see.

24, Male, GA-05

This is a more modern phenomenon
This didn't happen much here until the advent of cable buys.  Now you can buy neighborhoods and I think that it is much more common, not just in PA but elsewhere.

[ Parent ]
IN-Sen Question for our Indiana experts
If Mourdock beats Lugar, does he become the favorite to take the seat? Could Vi Simpson beat him? Could any Dem?

Hard to say
Mourdock is still pretty unknown, despite being elected to a statewide office (I think for things like Treasurer people vote party more than person sometimes), I doubt most Hoosiers could really tell you much about him.

If he beats Lugar, it is probably going to be in an ugly, race-to-the-fringe campaign that might be difficult for him to appeal to the center.  While he would probably be the favorite, I do not think he'd be a lock to win.

I doubt Vi Simpson could win a statewide race unless it was agaisnt a very flawed Republican candidate.  I love her to death, but she's pretty darn liberal for Indiana (but not for Monroe County).


[ Parent ]
Okay, could....
Could Brad Ellsworth beat him, perhaps? Especially if Lugar goes rogue and endorses him (him meaning Ellsworth)?  And is there any hint who Team Blue might get to run here?

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

[ Parent ]
I think the Sen candidate is likely to be Joe Donnelly
Rumor is that he's not willing to make a quixotic reelection bid if the Republicans toss him into an R+9000 district, but he doesn't want to leave Congress, either. That leaves a Senate run as his only real option other than trying to primary Pete Visclosky or something.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
It gives us an opening.
Wouldn't you say that with Mourdock is the candidate, we have at least have an opening? That alone should get us to invest in a race where Lugar isn't on the ballot.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
If it gets testy and
Lugar were to loose, imagine the possibilities. The alienation of independents whom adore the sweet old Lugar.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
That's what I am thinking.
If Lugar's the nominee, then little changes. If he's not the nominee, we have a chance, at least at first, to win an open seat, particularly if the presidential race is going well. And if he's the Democratic nominee, which isn't particularly likely but not completely ridiculous to suggest, then we probably pick up a seat and get help at the presidential level.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
As I've said before...
If Shelley Berkley really wants to run, it will be hard for other Dems to put up a primary fight. That just doesn't happen here. And especially because Shelley is so close to "The Reid Machine", I have a hard time seeing Catherine Cortez Masto or Ross Miller "disobeying orders" (since those two are also part of long time Nevada political dynasties).

So I'm wondering why Guy Cecil is really coming here this week. Are they concerned about Shelley's "electability"? Are there some fundraisers up north really that disgusted over Shelley running and sounding the alarms to DC? Are they just afraid of Dean Heller?

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


Maybe they're not sure Shelley is in,
and they want to have a Plan B. Or they could be meeting with the others to get her to make her intentions clear, put pressure on her.

[ Parent ]
Does Vegas chatter...
Really have such a hard time reaching DC? If so, then Patty Murray REALLY has a lot of work to do at the DSCC!

So maybe the DSCC is exploring this "Plan B"? I've been hearing rumblings from up north about Shelley having "electability problems", so maybe this is about that?

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Perfect Storm in NM?
I'm saying this not to be a concern troll, but because of my deep and abiding love of Chaos.

If the GOP nominates LG John Sanchez and Heinrich defeats Lujian and/or State Auditor Hector Balderas, could that open up a big enough rift among NM hispanics to get Sanchez elected to the Senate, regardless of how Obama does at the top of the ticket?

I know Dems are trying hard to avoid a Heinrich/Lujian primary, but I understand Balderas is already "in".

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


If Obama wins New Mexico, the Senate candidate does as well
That would prevent identity politics from being much of a factor at all.  

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Hmmm
I could see a signinficant number of NM hispanics who would vote for Obama being willing to vote for a Hispanice GOPer vs an anglo Dem in the Senate race.

If Obama wins NM by 15pts again it probably doesn't matter what the GOP does, but a much closer race is possible and would likely leave the result in the Senate race up to the campaigns of the two candidates. Remember that pre-Obama Bush won the state by 1% in '04 and Gore/Bush basically tied in '00 (Clinton beat Dole by a healthy 49-42 margin in '96) so to assume that NM has permanently moved out of reach from the GOP on the Presidential is at the least premature.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Polling has showed Obama is leading heavily in New Mexico
And looking at the GOP candidates for President, none of them really have any appeal to Hispanics like George W. Bush did (which is why he did well) and that's what it would take to make New Mexico close.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Now THAT is premature
We have no real idea who the GOP Potus nominee will be, polling based on names being floated and tested today are probably meaningless in terms of eventual outcome 21 months from now. Projected U3/U6 rates in the state and Obama's approval rating are worth looking at, but ballot tests vs Palin tell us nothing.

Based on the usable data we do have I would agree that Obama is definetly the favorite to carry the state, regardless of who the GOP nominee is, but I don't think the state is out of reach, and certainly can see a scenrio where the GOP can keep the state close enough to allow a GOP Senate nominee to score an "upset" (can we really call a race an upset when there aren't even any announced candidates yet?).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Of course we don't know who the nominee will be, but we have an idea
And none of the potential front runners for the nomination are testing particularly well against the President. Anything can happen, but at this point I don't see New Mexico being really competitive in 2012.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
You are probably correct
But to play devil's advocate...what if the GOP nominee is Pawlenty and say Marco Rubio (or Sandoval, just picking a potential Hispanic VP), they would significanly outperform any of the potentials being tested now.

Add to that the potential for continued high unemployment and god know what unforseen national or international emergency, it's very possible for the State to be VERY close, certainly close enough that who each party nominates for the Senate will make all the difference in the world.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
VP
Most Political Science literature shows the VP nominees do not have more than an extremely marginal effect of the popular vote, and when they do it is typically a negative effect (a la Sarah Palin '08).

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Past performance is not a guarantee of future results
I would propose that having the first Hispanic nominee for VP would have more of an effect, particularly among the sub-section of voters sharing that lineage.

Certainly picking a Hispanic/Latino VP is no silver bullet for the GOP to win over voters from that demographic, but again it does make for an interesting alternative scenario wherein NM is more competitive than the '08 result would seem to suggest and thus increase the probability that the NM senate race will be determined by the candidates and campaigns for Senate, not based on coattails from the presidential race.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
...
...but the facts don't really back you up here.

I'll give you that Marco Rubio at the top of the ticket could make New Mexico competitive. So could some Westerners barring Arizona (where any Republican that could possibly emerge would be tarred and feathered with SB 1070).

VPs really don't do very much in terms of the vote.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.


[ Parent ]
Specifics
Again, I'm not saying that picking a hispanic VP will suddently change the voting behavior of a majority of voters, but a relatively "clean" GOP nominee (like Pawlenty, Daniels or Thune) would significantly outperform the big 4 currently GOPers being polled vs Obama. In such a scenario I do think picking a hispanic VP could make a small difference, especially since I'm not suggesting the GOP nominee would win NM, only that such a scenario would make the race close enough (ie looking more like the '00 & '04 NM results than '08) and thus opening a window for a solid GOP nominee (ie not Pearch or Wilson) to win vs Heinrich (especially if he is forced to fight a tough primary vs 1 or more Latino Dems).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I've said it before and I'll say it again
Rubio is Cuban, New Mexico Hispanics are mostly of Mexican and Spanish descent, there is absolutely no reason to believe Rubio would have any positive impact on a Republican ticket in New Mexico.

Hell, if Brian Sandoval in Nevada couldn't do better among Hispanics than 35% in Nevada among Hispanics, what makes anyone here think that he would be any help to Republicans nationally (that's more a response to notpj than to you).

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
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I was gonna say something similar, but decided against it out of sheer unwillingness to delve that far deep into racial/ethnic differences.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
^^^This
Other than Cubans and maybe a few other groups (Columbians?) that already vote fairly Republican, I don't see how Rubio automatically brings out the Hispanic vote for Republicans. Now, he might have a way into to the greater Hispanic zeitgeist, but it would take a lot of work to repair the damage Republicans have done with Hispanics over the last few years and just his presence isn't going to cut it. Certainly not in New Mexico, of all states.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
Colombians vote Republican?
First I've heard of that. Interesting. I would understand Venezuelans because it's probably the more right-wing people who don't want to be around Hugo Chavez, but any insight into why Colombians would vote Republican?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
FARC?
I think I've read that a fair share of immigrants from Colombia are middle class people fleeing the violence that plagued the country for years, usually primarily attributed to the left-wing militia FARC (things have calmed down in the last few years).

Though now that I'm doing more research on Colombian immigration the subject looks more complicated. It looks like a lot of migrants are also members of the working class seeking opportunities the typically center-right government of Colombia has taken away or isn't providing, which would probably make that particular population much more prone to being Democrats.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
I could also argue an equally unlikely set of circumstances
where Sarah Palin becomes President of the United States in '12..

[ Parent ]
Scenario
I would say that the GOP keeping NM close enough for a solid GOP Senate nominee to win in the general election is significantly more probably than any scenario you would propose whereby Sarah Palin somehow becomes President (god help us). I would say the former deserves discussion whereas the later does not, but that is stricktly my opinion.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I'd say both are nearly as likely...
Meaning there's a slim chance of either happening. JMHO...

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
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Pawlenty is a mid-westerner. I honestly doubt he could make the race competitive in New Mexico. Marco Rubio isn't going to run this cycle. If he runs in 2016, I'd expect him to bend the curve in New Mexico and do very well.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
NM determinators
I offered Pawlenty as an example simply because he carries non of the baggage the GOP "Big 4" currently being tested have. I think the election, both nationally and in NM will have far MORE to do with the situation on the ground, specifically the U3/U6 numbers, perceived economic growth and other local and national issues not directly related to either candidate's ethnicity or regional background (ie immigration, oil/gas prices, GWOT progress, etc).


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
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I agree with the assessment over economic issues... The economy in New Mexico, by the way, is a hell of alot better than nationally.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
No, they wouldn't.
- As wmayes said above, the VP nominee typically doesn't do all that much for the ticket these days.

- Tim Pawlenty has very little (if any) chance of winning the GOP nomination. If he can't even win his own state (even in a caucus!), he can't be President.

- As someone actually living here in Nevada, I can tell you Brian Sandoval's "political capital" is rapidly diminishing. He's still fairly popular, but his approval rating has dropped 15% since taking office, and his numbers may continue slipping if the state budget battle continues to heat up. No doubt he has national aspirations, but Sandoval's own performance here will likely limit whatever crossover appeal he has in the future.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
Point-by-Point
1. I'm not saying picking a hispanic VP would significantly change voters habits, but a first time hispanic VP nominee would likely have a small influence on that voting demographic, and I'm not looking at a game changer, but only another slight push to make NM a more competitive in Nov. '12

2. I disagree completely, there is a significant possibility of Pawlenty being the eventual nominee, it is certainly too early to write him off. Further you can easily insert Daniels or Thune into my scenario with the same result - a close enough presidential ballot in NM to allow a good Hispanic GOP nominee to defeat a damaged Dem anglo nominee.

3. I only used Sandoval as another example of a potential hispanic GOP VP pick besides Rubio. Susanna Martinez as VP would likely make the race even more conpetitive IF she maintained her popularity into next summer/fall.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
NM
What in the world are you talking about?  A significant chance or Pawlenty being the nominee?  Huh?  He's polling at like 2%.

29/D/Male/NY-01

[ Parent ]
Polling unknown candidates is meaningless
I firmly believe that the eventualy nominee will NOT be any of the big 4 currently being regularly polled (Gingrich, Romney, Huckabee & Palin).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Why would Pawlenty keep New Mexico close?
He's not anything special as a candidate.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
To Clarify
I was using Pawlenty as an example of why ballot test numbers right now are useless or misleading. Obama has big leads over the Usual Suspects (Romney, Gingrich, Palin), but an unknown candidate like Thune, Pawlenty or Daniels (edit that down since yesterday's news) would likely perform much better than those highly polarizing figures currently getting the attention.

As for how the state will eventually go, who knows - I certainly don't - there are too many variables (U3/U6 in 12-18 months being a huge one) left to play out. I do however feel comfortable projecting that Pawlenty would keep the race in NM much closer than any of the GOP contenders being used in ballot tests currently.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Premature?
New Mexico has reached a point where it probably is out of reach for presidential and federal Republicans for at least the next few cycles.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
I disagree
See my argument above, but basically I don't see conclusive evidence that the demograhic changes in the state have moved it from purple to blue. Obama is obviously the favorite to carry the state, but without knowing who the GOP nominee is, what the unemployment numbers will be or much else it's a reach in my opinion to take the 1 data point (Obama's huge win in '08) and extrapolate that the state is now safely Dem territory. I certainly can see many scenarios where the state remains close enough in the Presidential race that the quality of the Senate Candidates and their campaigns will be the deciding factor, not the top of the ticket result.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Per Nate Silver
http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.n...

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Uhm aren't you just proving my point?
From the article;

"If the environment is more neutral in 2012 - somewhere between where it was in 2010 and 2008 (when Democrat Tom Udall won his U.S. Senate race by 24 points) - Republicans would be within striking distance, but would probably need to run the better candidate or the better campaign."

I'm not saying a GOP win is likely, only that it is very possible under the right circumstance (ie Sanchez vs Heinrich after a bloody anglo/latino primary). The far more likely scenario is Heather Wilson is the GOP nominee and Heinrich wins the Dem primary without much trouble or bad blood - that scenario would make a GOP win - Even if the POTUS race is a toss-up - highly unlikely.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
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Exactly... they'd need the much much better candidate. Heather Wilson is so much more likely than the LG.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Yes
But my original post clearly stated that I'm looking at the potential for a perfect storm in NM, with the GOP nominating LG John Sanchez AND the Dems having a brutal anglo-latino primary. This scenario is very possible, but certainly NOT the most likely.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Also
Didn't you just say that the State is out of reach for GOP Presidential and Federal candidates for the next few cycles? You seem to be on both sides of the fence now...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Probably
... I said that it "probably" is.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Coattails
I'm surprised to see so many people here willing to believe that the coattails of the Presidential race will be the deciding factor in so many races. Virginia Senate has also been spoken of as dependent of the top of the ticket result.

Has anyone looked closely at the result of (open seats particularly) Senate races in swing states or close elections at the Presidential level?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
We have looked at how rare it is
For a split decision in presidential years. It is rare and getting rarer.

[ Parent ]
Right
That's why I'm very skeptical of Phil Bredesen running in Tennessee, or Scott Brown holding on in Massachusetts.  

[ Parent ]
The idea that Latinos will vote for a Latino Republican over a white Democrat is, at best, questionable
Even with Latino candidates for Governor in Nevada and New Mexico, the Republicans still bombed among Latino voters. Sandoval lost Latinos 2-1 in Nevada, and while there weren't exit polls from New Mexico, there is a strong correlation between Latino population and Denish's performance. Martinez crushed in mostly-white counties (San Juan, Catron, Lincoln, Sierra), while Denish did well in heavily-Latino counties (San Miguel, Rio Arriba, Mora).

The other factor is the white vote in New Mexico is very Republican. Despite Obama's landslide in New Mexico, McCain still won white voters by 14%. The path to victory in New Mexico for a Republican is to overwhelm the Democrat with performance among white voters. You can try to peel off Latinos -- I'm sure that helped Martinez -- but you're not going to win them as a Republican.


[ Parent ]
I wholeheartedly agree
but I'm not proposing that Sanchez would carry the hispanic vote, only that a bruising anglo vs latino Dem primary would allow Sanchez to peal away enough Dem leaning hispanics to win the Senate seat, even if Obama carries the state again (though as I've also said it would have to be closer than '08, a 15 pt win for Obama would likely doom any GOPer short of a complete dead girl/live boy scandal for the Dem nominee).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Just anecdotally
When I voted last November, two Spanish-speaking ladies were ahead of me in line, and pored over a Democratic Party voter guide (in Spanish). My Spanish isn't fantastic, but I'm pretty sure LG Gavin Newsom owes at least those two votes to the fact that he had a D by his name. The senoras discussed voting for Newsom's Latin opponent Abel Maldonado but concluded that voting for the Democrat was the safer option...they seemed like what you might call "low-information" voters...although they did discuss Jerry Brown breaking bread with Cesar Chavez back in the day.

And yes, I love eavesdropping, especially because no one in California expects someone as white-bread-looking as me to speak Spanish.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
Great Response
Johnny - Really great analysis and I totally agree. Martinez did a little better with the Latino vote in part of that she was from Dona Ana County (my mom who never ever under any circumstances votes Republican voted for her) and was able to appeal as someone who would take care of the needs of people from southern New Mexico after a long line of Northern New Mexico Governors. Saying that Latinos will support a Latino Republican in heavy numbers is just plain wrong.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
Heinrich vs. Balderas
PJ -

I am going to have to disagree with you again here. I enjoy our disagreements about VA and NM politics being my two states. Heinrich was able to still win a significant majority of Hispanic voters against John Barela who is Hispanic in his narrow re-election in 2010's political environment. Heinrich is an active member within the Hispanic community and frequently is involved in Hispanic outreach. Despite him being white he is reasonably well liked by the Hispanic community. I can't see a huge racially divisive primary between he and Balderas/Lujan. I know that you aren't saying it or implying it but Hispanic voters don't just vote for a Hispanic candidate. Martinez won because of a combination of the climate and that Richardson was hated for his "pay for play" corruption and Denish was his LG.

I will be happy with either Balderas or Heinrich as the nominee. Both are under 40 and both appear to be strong progressives. Heinrich ran on his record and didn't run against his party which I really admire.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


[ Parent ]
Hmmm
Of all the pie-in-the-sky contingencies that I've outlined to get the "perfect storm" scenario I outlined I think the possibility of lingering anger at the Anglo winner of a Heinrich vs Lujian/Balderas Dem primary is actually one of the more likely possibilities.

This is all just conjecture of course, so many things need to fall into place to make this scenario even possible...first and formost being Sanchez being willing to run (and Heather Wilson either NOT running or NOT winning a primary - both of which I find almost laughable)

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I don't think it seems likely at all, unless it got personal
And Heinrich would glue himself to Obama in his campaign and neutralize any of those sentiments.  And most people don't vote in primaries, anyway.

[ Parent ]
Can I ask a serious question?
Why do you always, to the exclusion of almost every other possibility, post only about the worst case scenario for the Dem in every state?

[ Parent ]
To quote myself
from the original post;

"I'm saying this not to be a concern troll, but because of my deep and abiding love of Chaos."

I'm looking at what would be required for this race to go to the GOP, the fact that it would require a unlikely scenario should be heartening to Dems, not depressing.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Still odd to me
That in race after race you only want to talk about the negative.

[ Parent ]
Well
Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean the world isn't out to get you.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Er
My sentiments exactly.

[ Parent ]
Odd to me as well
especially in contrast with your sometimes parallel RRH posts dissing SSP.

[ Parent ]
Hmmm
I'm ready to point out the irrational exuberence of partisans on either side, and I have done so both here and on RRH.

I would also argue that in particular my comments on Virginia have been taken as pessimism for Dems when in fact I'm looking at the very optimistic possibility that they might nominate a candidate who actually wants the job and will run a top notch campaign, a description I hold does not include Webb or possibly Kaine.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Then how about you come up
With some chaos theories that hurt Republicans then. I would be interested to read that.  

[ Parent ]
That is too easy
Let's see, tea party challengers unseat Snowe & Lugar - Palin becomes the tallest midget in the GOP and Obama carries all 50 states...

More specifically, how about Flake loses the AZSen primary to J.D. or Dewhurst or whats-his-name from Dallas run as 3rd party candidates in TXSen or the other whats-his-name from Jefferson County wins the GOP senate primary in MO and McCaskill wins so big she carries the state for Obama.

Problem is every one of these ideas have already been floated here and none of them are particularly interesting outside of the "Man I hope my side wins" level of discussion.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Then how about posting such theories on RRH
with the same fervor that you have posted your anti-D theories here?

[ Parent ]
Try some that haven't been floated if you prefer
At least once in a while. You have the imagination for it.

[ Parent ]
I will try
I'm just working with what's in front of me...

As for RRH, different group over there, it's too early to start picking fights, plus I think there are only about 15-20 active users...not much to work with (yet), but don't worry, I'm an equal opportunity offender...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
You're a lot more exuberant about your political views on RRH.


[ Parent ]
Problem is that....
PJ - The problem with your hypothetical and while it is just that a hypothetical is that Heinrich has some very good relationships with the Latino community and has worked them extremely hard. While he is white he is extremely well liked by the Hispanic community. Case in point was at the Congressional Hispanic Caucus opening gala he was the ONLY non-Hispanic member there. While that is a DC cocktail function back in Albuquerque he has worked the community extremely hard and in the last election they backed him (and gave him his margin for victory) over a Latino opponent in the worst political cycle in decades for Democrats. Latinos had Heinrich's back and I don't think he is going to forget that. I don't see a racially polarized primary. I see an establishment vs. anti-establishment primary which would be a Balderas vs. Heinrich matchup. Honestly if things start looking down for Balderas maybe he decides to run for Heinrich's House seat? He can transfer the funds.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

[ Parent ]
This is exactly my point
I didn't say that the GOP can just run Sanchez and win over Latinos, that is at the very least unrealistic. In order for even a hispanic GOPer like Sanchez (were he to run, also doubtful) to make major inroads with the Latino community he would need help from a bitter anglo vs latino Dem primary.

This is why I called it a Perfect Storm, you'd need a confluence of some highly unlikely events, ie Sanchez runs and wins the primary, Heinrich & Lujian and Balderas all run for the Dem nomination, that primary fight get bitter and the GOP presidential nominee making NM competitive enough to allow Sanchez a chance.  That's a pretty tall order together, but at this VERY early point it does at least seem possible...thus a very VERY slim route to victory for the GOP. Which was all I was looking at...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Women voters didn't shun Obama when he defeated Clinton.
It'd be one thing if a primary between someone like Heinrich and Balderas was truly ugly, but even then, are Hispanic voters particularly sensitive to someone defeating one of their own? Your situation could happen, but why would it?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I hope we'll have a Chicago-Mayor thread up this evening?
I still think Emanuel might well miss the run-off mark. The narrative seems to support him winning outright, but my own voter model still shows him dangling in the mid-40s. Chico's in the high-teens, Braun, Del Valle in the low-teens We'll see.

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LA State Legislature Advertising
In Louisiana, it's very common to see ad buys for state legislature campaigns. It's usually because 2 bit consultants convince candidates that they need to be on tv to get votes, even though the ad buy isn't enough to matter.

OR-01: Wu apologizes, on meds, getting treatment
http://content.usatoday.com/co...

The 55-year-old congressman, who is divorced, is taking care of his two children and has been dealing with the death of his father. He also told ABC he is caring for his 88-year-old mother.

Last Friday, Wu acknowledged in a statement that he was "not always at my best with staff or constituents" and admitted that he sought "professional medical care."

snip -- perhaps Wu will now find a signature issue

He said he was speaking out in the hopes that other people who have problems with their mental health will seek treatment.

Gut guess: Wu will survive this term, unless there are further outbursts / incidents. Whether he faces a primary depends on some accomplishments this term.


Good to know his life has been trying as of late
I, and most, can sympathize with that and he's got plenty of time until re-election to get back on track.

[ Parent ]
I just don't understand why he thinks it's best to remain in office
I'm very concerned about his health and the health of his family, and it doesn't seem like being a (not terribly effectual) congressman is particularly conducive to that.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
At least he's getting treatment.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Wu Followup
Opinions on BlueOregon seem mixed - http://www.blueoregon.com/2011...

between "Wu needs to explain more, especially if it is some form of substance abuse, or resign"

and

"Give the man a break, medical conditions are a private matter, and he's getting the treatment he needs to recover"

I retain my gut guess.


[ Parent ]
Minor correction
It's spelled "Liechtenstein".

30, male, MI-11 (previously VA-08). Evangelical, postconservative, green.

MO-Sen
Emerson say no thanks and Wagner is looking more like a candidate, weird comment though in Politico where Wagner say no to a down ballot race, but is still looking at the Senate race OR potentially challenging Todd Akin in the primary? That's got to be one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard of...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


Akin?
Did Wagner say she was thinking about primarying Akin, or was that someone else speculating? I agree, that would be really bizarre and probably a career killer.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
Politico Article
Here is the piece on Emerson's announcement;

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

And here is the section about Ann Wagner;

"Former ambassador and state party chair Ann Wagner has not yet announced her 2012 plans, with spokesperson John Hancock saying she's still "seriously considering" the Senate race.

Wagner has indicated she's not interested in a down-ballot race, but informed GOPers say she hasn't completely ruled out challenging six-term Rep. Todd Akin in a primary."

Akin is a human douche nozzle in my opinion (he and my wife have history from her divorce from her prior husband, who was a member of Akin's church - let's just say I wouldn't piss on him if he were on fire), but considering his conservative credentials AND being the chairman of the Seapower Subcommittee of HASC (and thus the new Lord & High Protector of Boeing) he's about as bulletproof as you get.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
SD-Sen?
John Thune is not running for President, so there's no chance of a special election in South Dakota. (There you have it, in purely downballot-focused language!)

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

.
What a bummer. He'd be our most attractive president ever if he won.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Counterexample
The current president, who at least wins on hair.  Although they are both, conveniently, attractive in suitably stereotypical ways for their parties.  

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

[ Parent ]
You mean, besides Taft
'Cuz THAT man was just pure sex all-around.

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[ Parent ]
Who's the
white public servant who's a sex machine to all the chicks? TAFT! (Damn right.)

[ Parent ]
Must have been the Stache
It is always the Stache!

[ Parent ]
WTF? No.
I'm sorry, but why do people say he's attractive? The dude looks like Death With A Tan.  

I mean, sure, I get why that might get your standard Republican's juices flowing, but still....     [I kid, I kid, Republicans....but he's still not cute]

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


[ Parent ]
I'm happy, I regard that as a bullet dodged......
If Thune ran, caught lightning in a bottle, and won the nomination, he'd give us a scare.  Indeed if I had to rank the GOP prospects in order to threat to Obama after winning the GOP nomination, I'd put Thune at the top, above Daniels and Pawlenty.

I think of the people who at least have a stone's throw chance of winning the nomination, the 3 locks to try are Romney, Pawlenty, and Gingrich.  I think Huckabee and Palin won't run.  The wildcard to me is Daniels and Barbour; I know someone here commented yesterday that Daniels is hiring staff in NH and is virtually certain to run, but I've read the same elsewhere on Barbour, and I've read also that they're such good friends they're not likely to both run, with Daniels leaning toward giving deference.  I suppose they both easily could run without acrimony when it comes down to it, especially since the odds are long that the race will come down to Daniels vs. Barbour.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Sounds like a ticket


[ Parent ]
Danged
someone already bought that domain name....

[ Parent ]
I wouldn't be surprised if the GOP ticket was two Prez candidates......
Obviously Obama did that, and then brought Hillary into the Administration, and even had Richardson in mind for something until Richardson imploded back home with his ethics troubles.

It's smart, it brings on board a broad array of one's own party's voters.

I could see the GOP doing it next year.  But the top of the ticket is what really matters.  VP just doesn't matter anymore so long as you pick someone who doesn't hurt you...and as Bush/Quayle proved, even then it's not that hard to overcome.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Thune
I think he was the closest thing the Reeps had to a lowest-common-denominator consensus pick in their own primary, but I don't see anything in his background or record to suggest he'd have much appeal to independents. I think Daniels is the real possibility there, but he'll have a harder time in the primary.

I agree that Romney, Pawlenty, and Newt are in. If neither Palin nor Huckabee run, it leaves an opening for someone else to pick up Huckabee's religious conservative base and Palin's angry-nationalist base, which overlap somewhat.

41, Ind, CA-05


[ Parent ]
2012
I think there Is chance Huchabee and Palin won't run.
Huchabee enjoys money from Fox.Palin would rather stir people and get money rather than run.I think If they don't run barbour will benefit and the 2012 Republican nomination
IS race between him,Romney,and Gingrich.I think Daniels
won't run.His actions today leads me to think he Is out.
Pawlenty can't even win Minnesotta In a caucus.Polls show Obama would kill him In Minnesotta.Huntsman Is deluding himself If he thinks after serving under Obama and Hillary
as ambassador to China he can win the Republican nomination.

Huchabee out means Iowa will be a freefall.Romney has to win NH to maintain his postion as frontrunner.He would probally lose the SC primary to barbour or gingrich.And then like 2008 the winner of florida Primary may be the
Republican 2012 nominee.If Bohener Is stupid enough to shut down the government then he will ensure the primarys are just a fight to pick someone to lose to Obama.


[ Parent ]
Lichtenstein & Bermuda
Shout out to banking haven Lichtenstein and condemnation for a dude sailing to Bermuda all in one post. Only on SSP.

This strikes me as a very borderline comment


[ Parent ]
Arlen Specter, Attorney at Law
I might watch a sitcom about a cranky old ex-senator going back to his hometown and using his formidable legal expertise to aid his array of quirky clients. Eventually, his arch rival, a younger, more charismatic former military officer, becomes a private detective, and they have to team up to fight crime.

It'd be a pretty good show.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09


Especially since
In Philly, "fighting crime" can often mean going up against other elected and appointed officials.  

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

[ Parent ]
Yeah! Just think about the plot possibilities!
And the series would end with the duo running for office as a ticket.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Series tagline
"We need these guys to catch those guys."

25, Dem, Dude seeing a dude, CT-04(originally), PA-02/NY-12(now)

[ Parent ]
Hahaha
That's perfect.

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
I like it, it's very fitting
He started out as an attorney, after all.  He was on the Warren Commission (and the last surviving member of it too).

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
.
I'm not going to quibble with perfect detail, but technically he was only an assistant to the commission. Gerald Ford was the last living actual member.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Taking a cue from Wisconsin
Today, Democrats in the Indiana House of Representatives fled to (reportedly) Illinois, to deny Republicans the quorum they need to push right-to-work legislation.  It will be interesting to see how this mini-verson of what's going on in Wisconsin plays itself out politically here.  Gov. Daniels (who pretty much warned Republicans in the General Assembly not to push right-to-work) has been silent on the issue, there are protests scheduled for each day this week, and there's no word on how long the Dems will stay gone.

Do the WI Dems
Have a strategy for the Repubs moving to other business (like voter ID) where there is a lower threshold for a quorum?

[ Parent ]
After their performance on the gay marriage amendment
I didn't expect the House Dems to have this much fight left in them. I might even be a little impressed.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
I see this as a big problem for Daniels' presidential ambitions
This could make right-to-work a big issue in Indiana, which is exactly what Daniels doesn't need. His best bet was to let the bill quietly die. I highly doubt he could win the GOP primary while opposing this bill, but he seems like he doesn't want to support it either, helping to maintain his nonideological image. This will force him to take a stand on the issue.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
I think you're exactly right
He wanted this to quietly go away without having to take a public position on it.

[ Parent ]
Scratch that
He just came out and basically told Republicans to drop it.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
And he has a broken arm.
Did he get in a motorcycle accident?  

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
One of my friends told
me his wife pushed him down the stairs. A joke!

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
I'm pretty sure he personally fought Gov. Walker
You should see the other guy.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
It's not as if Daniels doesn't support the bill.
He very much does. He doesn't want any of his other legislative pieces to go down the tubes though. Tonight is the deadline for all of the legislation. This is why he is caving on the bill.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Wow
So there was solid strategy on the part of the IN State House Dems.

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So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
For once.
Too bad they couldn't do this to stop the marriage amendment.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
He had rotator cuff surgery
Last week.  

[ Parent ]
@IN Dems here
Do you approve of their doing this?

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[ Parent ]
If I count as a Dem...
Absolutely.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
.
Counting as a dem has nothing to do with your opinion on public sector unions. The founding father of the modern Democratic coalition (FDR) did not extend his support to public sector unions and neither do I.  

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
...
I take it back. I have nothing wrong with what Indiana Dems have done, but am against the Wisconsin Dems.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
...
I have nothing against*

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Why do you support
one and not the other?

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Absolutely!


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Daniels caves
http://www.indystar.com/articl...

Has he just lost the nomination?


[ Parent ]
Methinks
he hates drama and controversy.

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[ Parent ]
This won't go over well
with the base. They want him to fight like Walker is fighting.  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Maybe it means
He doesn't want to fight his wife.

[ Parent ]
That too!
That seems to always be overlooked when talking about him as a possible candidate.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Makes sense


Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Walker isn't Daniels
Walker clearly has a chip on his shoulder.  Daniels is anti-drama.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
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[ Parent ]
I never said Daniels was like Walker.
I said the base won't like what he is doing and like Conspiracy said I'm taking it as a sign he's not running.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Yes.
"Daniels isn't a fighter for conservative principles" "He won't stand up to the unions" etc.


Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Yes
I almost went to Indy today but just could not do it.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Mitch Daniels asks IN GOP to shelve anti-union bill.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

He won't call on the state troopers to retrieve the State Reps.  He says that although he supports the bill, if it's going to cause such a ruckus and freeze the legislature, it isn't worth it.

Now, here's some fitting music:


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[ Parent ]
From the Indy Star:
Daniels told reporters this afternoon that he expects House Democrats will return to work if the bill dies. It would be unfortunate if other bills are caught up in the turmoil, he said.


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[ Parent ]
I'm taking it as a sign he isn't running


[ Parent ]
Perhaps, though I could see Daniels being one of the few GOP contenders to basically buck the Tea Party crowd
I still think he's at about 50/50 on this.  

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[ Parent ]
He's done enough to piss of the tea partiers...
... that his only chance to win the nomination anyway is to hope that Romney fades and the crazies split the vote. He could get the nomination by recreating McCain's coalition in '08.  

[ Parent ]
IN-State House: House Dems walk out
to deny quorum to anti-union legislation.  Glad to see this spreading.
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo...

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Gallup
"The poll found that 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to one being considered in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law."

http://www.usatoday.com/news/n...

No leading questions I would assume.


Overreach
I think Walker and the Wisconsin Repubs blew it with this one. I think some of these recalls may get traction.  

[ Parent ]
Incredibly, incredibly huge...
The teabagger attacks against healthcare in August of 2009 didn't gain any resonance until a gallup poll showed indies siding with the teabaggers... then everything nearly fell completely apart.

I never expected such positive numbers, and the media (try as their might), just won't be able to ignore them.

It's a huge shift... way better results than I expected!


[ Parent ]
Hopefully
the public is coming to the conclusion if the GOP successfully does away with collective bargaining, they can do away with worker protections and the minimum wage. You know since there are plenty of nuts out there who believe the minimum wage is a form of welfare....you know because you can sure support a family on $7.25 an hour!

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I would wager a guess
even if the public sees it, half of them still vote Republican.

Throughout the last two weeks I kept thinking of the Geraldine Ferraro visit to the Illinois auto plant during the 1984 campaign when she went there, talked to union workers about how Mondale will protect them and their rights and never let anything happen to them like what happened to the ATCs and the workers turned out and told her they were voting for Reagan because to vote him out would be projecting weakness to the Russians.

They voted against their own best interests. And you wonder why Democrats don't "fight?"  


[ Parent ]
The problem was that they didn't think their jobs were on the line...
...now, they have a much better idea that they are...

Now, don't get me wrong, there are plenty of self-hating unionists out there who will feel exactly the same regardless of what happens, but I think there will be less of them this time around.


[ Parent ]
When Reagan fired the ATCs
that didn't drop a clue?  

[ Parent ]
You'd think it would have...
But, some people are stupid.  Like I said below, we can nudge the needle a bit and that will be of great help.

[ Parent ]
A lot of people mistakenly viewed PATCO as isolated because...
...the law prohibited them from striking, they struck anyway, and lo and behold they got fired.  A lot of people, union workers and others, narrowly viewed PATCO as having misplayed their hand, and interpreted through the lens of catastrophic strategic error, rather than through a lens of broader damage to union labor.

That's why the PATCO disaster wasn't taken as "a clue" by very many at the time.  Only over subsequent years did it sink in that it was a turning point for unions more broadly.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Let me add also...
...that the view that PATCO disastrously erred isn't wrong.  They did, they shouldn't have gone on strike, at least not at that point in the chess match.  It's just that so many people at the time errantly concluded that was the whole story, missing the meta ramifications.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
I think they erred badly as well
Unions would have declined in this country in any event (the switch to a service economy guaranteed that), but I always wonder if the decline would have been as fast or as precipitous without the air controller strike.  

[ Parent ]
Aren't there service industry unions?


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Typically, it's about 40%...
...which sucks.  Last year was lower, but fewer union folk turned out.  Maybe next year, it will drop to 1/3rd with higher turnout.  That'as about as good as we can expect with this group.

[ Parent ]
This is ridiculous
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

Our last two weekly national surveys for Daily Kos have found Obama back with slightly negative approval numbers. This week he's at 46/49 and last week he was at 47/48. The main reason he's down from his high water mark of 50/45 in late January? Independents have turned back against him. At that point he had a 53/41 approval with them. Now it's back to being almost the inverse of that at 43/51.

we can't govern the country with a group of people this fickle. In a month they turned that drastically? WTF?


...
In the month between December and January they turned that drastically towards him. Who says that it won't happen again over the next month? Besides, PPP tends to show lower approval than other pollsters. Pollster's trend still shows him at a positive spread.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Approval Ratings
PPP tends to show lower approval than other pollsters

Not lower than Rasmussen :-)

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
That would be a statistical impossibility


[ Parent ]
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I don't look as Rasmussen Polling for approval ratings. They filter approval through a likely voter screen... which inherently isn't an approval rating.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
the operative word here being "pollsters"...


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
On a serious note
this is absolutely correct, looking at RCP poll track;

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...

For some reason they don't include pppolling in their to totals, but pppolling & Ras are the only two showing Obama in negative territory w/ Gallup at +1, CBS, Democracy Corp at +7, Fox (which is Ras too, right?) at +8 and Reuters at +1.

Overall average (which BTW is pretty much statistical cat fud) is 48.5 positive and 45.7 negative (net +2.8)

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
FOX is now split between a Dem and GOP firm


[ Parent ]
BTW
I normally don't like using RCP polltrack average since there is no statistical advantage to averaging unlike polls. In this case you have different pollsters using Adults (Gallup, CBS & Reuters) RVs (Fox) LVs (Democracy Corp & Ras) and People Who've Never Been in My Kitchen (CNN).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I'd say from totality
He is net positive but probably a hair under 50.

[ Parent ]
Usually wild swings in poll numbers like this
correspond to something, but there's no explanation. Indys approved of everything Obama's done in the past month. WTH?  

[ Parent ]
Newsweek is 50-44
http://www.thedailybeast.com/b...

Not too reliable in the past but I'm not sure the ubiquitous Doug Schoen was involved before. The pirates at ARG meanwhile say 48-48.


[ Parent ]
I've commented on their blog about that
They are falling into the trap of taking their own numbers as gospel. The other polls cited are a stretch - Gallup was 51-42 the other day after being 46-46 last week, CBS is not statistically much different and the non-Kos PPP national poll was 49-46 approve last weekend. Nobody should take Rasmussen seriously. That being said the bounce may well have receeded a little but these things usually down come down a little. The bouncing ball analogy.

[ Parent ]
They fell into that trap a long time ago, nothing new......
The PPP guys always overinterpret their own numbers.  I don't know if it's sincere irrational exuberance, or calculated spin to sell their product...or perhaps a little of both.  But yes they comment on their own polling results with negligent disregard toward basic principles of survey interpretation.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
..
You have to give them credit for more often bringing in supporting evidence from other polling companies recently.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Absolutely
They are the very best at that.

[ Parent ]
Oops misread
Thought you were talking about disclosure of crosstabs.

[ Parent ]
...
Well, now that you bring it up: they do that very well as well.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Explain this line:
"But yes they comment on their own polling results with negligent disregard toward basic principles of survey interpretation."

Perhaps my own bias is showing through, but I've always found their comments to be enlightening and sensible.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Example 1: treating their own crosstabs as reliable......
Their tweeted on their most recent NC poll that Obama's job approval went from positive to underwater with indies, and remarked on it as if that was gospel.  This with no acknowledgement that the small subsample of indies has a high margin of error, so that the swing their polling showed isn't trustworthy.

Another example is treating their polling as gospel on elections far ahead, like when they polled 2012 matchups last year.

They never qualify what they or others might be tempted to read into their poll numbers.  But the qualifications necessarily are many.

I suppose offering caveats to their own numbers might come off like dissing their own product, since their audience for these public polls isn't a private client who can be educated on what a poll the client paid for really does and doesn't inform.  Reading more into a poll instead of less serves as a tease for the broader audience of political junkies who by and large don't have a sophisticated understanding of polling.  Thus, I suspect there's a fair amount of spin in their own tweets and polling memo narratives.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
So your issue is with how they report on their own
polling more than it is with how accurate they are?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Correct, it's not the data I'm talking about, although I have a problem there, too, with...
...their favorability/job approval numbers for most of their tested subjects.  This actually applies to elected officials and candidates in both parties, PPP consistently has everyone with much poorer numbers than almost everyone else.  The classic exmaple I like to use is PPP's Ohio poll about a year ago that had George Voinovich underwater.  That made no sense on its face, as Voinovich was a personally well-liked uncontroversial longtime pol who was retiring and had done nothing to piss off anyone in the previous recent past.  And Quinnipiac consistently had Voinovich in positive territory in their regular Ohio polling.

But aside from implausibly finding everyone way more disliked than I think they really are, PPP's data is pretty good.

But yeah, my point in this subthread has regarded their spin, rather than their data.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Nothing has changed, small subsample means high volatility......
I've said it before, I'll say it again:  crosstabs are unreliable.  These subsamples are too small, with margins of error too high, to read anything into week-to-week fluctuations.  The smaller a subsample, the larger the fluctuation that comes with mere statistical noise.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
PA St-Sen
Here, yeah, but we have cheap TV. I know in the two recent special elections, the major candidates all ran multiple ads on TV.  

MO State Senate election?
Hey, does anyone have any details on the state senate election in Kansas City that Johnny Longtorso was talking about? I did some Googlin' but came up empty. Oh wait, nevermind. Thanks, Robin Carnahan!

http://www.sos.mo.gov/election...

It would appear that Ms. Shalonn "Kiki" Curls will be the next state senator from the heavily-Democratic District 9.  

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


FL-Sen
Bill Nelsons vulnerably overrated?

http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)


Yeah, probably.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Definitely
Rep. Mack won't survive the primary. You heard it here first. The guy has broken with Republican orthodoxy too many times; Haridopolis and LeMieux (who, if he runs, will be eager to show his party loyalty after being linked to Crist) will paste him on all of his departures from the party line.

And Haridopolis and LeMieux can't beat Sen. Bill Nelson if President Obama is carrying Florida. If Obama isn't carrying Florida, Nelson is probably still favored, but it could be a bad day for Democrats in general.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
It begins. Fox accuses Daniels of "caving."
http://nation.foxnews.com/unio...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Ho ho ho
Called it.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Brilliant piece of political strategery on the part of the Indiana House Dems
They forced Gov. Daniels to choose between the kind of ineffectual ideological purity that wins national primaries and the kind of pragmatic flexibility that leads to successful governing, and he showed what kind of a man he is: one who would rather govern Indiana than try to out-firebreathe a crowd of lunatics in Iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, Florida, and Nevada.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
.
Thank God. The past three days has seen the only three effectual Republican candidates basically evaporate: Huckabee, Thune, and Daniels.

Palin also basically melted, but she wasn't someone to be scared of.

That leaves Barbour, Gingrich, and Romney.

A point that should be made is that none of these candidates is a really good fit for Iowan conservatism. I've been skeptical forever of Pawlenty's chances in the Republican primary electorate, but he arguable could win Iowa (and find a path to the nomination) if the four main candidates are him and those three.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.


[ Parent ]
why will Iowa Repub caucus be anymore
important than it was last time in picking the nom.

[ Parent ]
...
Usually its a hell of alot better than it was in '08. Remember that McCain was completely broke at that point.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
Don't forget Huntsman... n/t


[ Parent ]
Who has about as much of a shot as The Donald
It's just not a good year for the ambassador to run.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
He may manage to just squeak through...
I mean look at the field right now... they all majorly suck...

[ Parent ]
It's process of elimination, though
I don't see Ambassador Huntsman placing first in any of the early contests. Romney has a huge leg up in New Hampshire and Nevada as well as a decent shot at Iowa; Huntsman isn't even going to come close in Iowa or South Carolina.

I suspect it'll come down to Romney, Pawlenty, and Palin, or Romney, Pawlenty, Gov. Barbour, and Gingrich if Palin doesn't run (I'm about 50-50 on Palin running, while I'd be very surprised to see Huckabee pull a reversal after his near-endorsement of Barbour and public pessimism about Republicans' chances in the presidential election). And that split really depends on Pawlenty either winning Iowa outright or coming very close, and then placing at least second or maybe a very close third in New Hampshire. If Palin or Gingrich wins Iowa and Pawlenty's showing is unimpressive, he's toast. If Romney somehow wins Iowa, it's all over, because he's going to win New Hampshire and Nevada as well.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
Yeah, but its early
Christie is still a possibility, IMO - I still think there is a chance he runs.

WA-07, 34 years old

[ Parent ]
I doubt it...
He's not finished ruining New Jersey, yet...

[ Parent ]
At what point does Christie enter the race?
I can't say I am familiar with the rigors of running a presidential campaign, but it's supposed to be fairly complicated and pretty damn expensive even if you don't have a day job. For first timers like Christie, it's supposed to be worse. The contests are still about a year or more away, but after a certain point, it probably becomes harder and harder. I guess it's possible to decide in late August and launch a campaign in September, but you'd have to focus exclusively on the early states and spend a lot of time playing catch up with fund raising.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Yeah, I would think Christie enters around September
By then, we'll have seen the debates, and we'll probably know what the verdict is on how poisonous health care reform will be for Romney. If it does prove toxic, and if the Pawlenty/Daniels dark horse crowd doesn't catch fire, he might well be pulled in. This may sound a tad crazy, but I think he also needs for Giuliani not to run, because if Romney does tank, Giuliani will be there to suck-up some of the moderate vote.  

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[ Parent ]
Do you think Giuliani
will run? I don't, but I kind of hope he does, because I think he'd be destroyed.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Giuliani
He would have no chance at all. He went nowhere in 08, and since then the party has completely deemphasized foreign policy and moved far to the right on social and economic issues.  

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
I think there's about a 30% chance he runs, which is probably more than Palin
The thing is, I think a lot of Giuliani's '08 downfall was less him being an atrocious candidate than him running an atrocious campaign. There is a difference. I think Giuliani could play very well in New Hampshire if he actually tried. He'd need to win there, of course, but if he did, I think he'd find love in Florida, perhaps even Michigan, and then he'd do very well in some of the big Super Tuesday states.

Of course, all of this is still long-shot. He openly flirted with challenging Gillibrand, too, and that went nowhere. I think he believes he can beat Obama, the question is whether he can compete in the primaries. His second-place finish in that recent NH poll which bothered to test him probably provides at least a little incentive to mull things over.

Giuliani has been on record, though, saying that he probably won't run unless Palin does. So, there.  

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[ Parent ]
I kinda wonder if the stars are aligning for Pawlenty
If Daniels doesn't run, then there will be a choice between Romney, Barbour, Gingrich, and Pawlenty. If Romney fades, then Pawlenty could well be the beneficiary of Gingrich and Barbour's perceived unelectability.

Which is all for the best, because while Pawlenty is a plausible nominee, I suspect he'd be pretty weak barring a spectacular collapse in Obama's numbers.  


[ Parent ]
High floor, low ceiling?
As is the case with a lot of these people, I suspect that that they wouldn't absolutely collapse to the point where Obama would be competitive in Idaho, but that they wouldn't fly so high as to put New Jersey or Connecticut into play. And unless there's a third party candidate that creates a chance for someone to sneak in with 48 percent of the vote, that's a problem.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Barbour Viewed as Unelectable by GOP?
I'm not sure this is true, while many outside of the South and outside the GOP can't envision a fat (though he is slimming down) Mississippi good-old-boy with a thick draaaawwwllll becoming President I don't know if the GOP primary electorate would think that way, many might find his southern charm thing endearing and view him as the ultimate Anti-Obama...we shall see....but I definitely don't think the Primary Electorate will shoot him down on electability concerns...unless they are hyper-sensative to the racial history issue (which keeps coming up...so maybe)...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
He has always been my darkhorse
Plus he would make an excellent VP for Romney.

[ Parent ]
Barbout was my choice for McCain's VP
If he'd decided to try to bridge the Maverick to Establishment gap it would have made perfect sense.

BTW I worked on an Inaugural Conference in '09 with a woman who did strategery for McCain, she had some intersting info on McCain's decision making process on selecting a VP. Apparenlty McCain had a short list that got thrown out a couple days before the selection was made (I have no idea who was on that list) and his advisors came back with two "resume" candidates, Palin & Pawlenty - these were based on being Governors who had never served in Washington since they thought the outsider angle was key. McCain liked Pawlenty, but his advisors talked him into a "Hail Mary" with Palin since she could supposedly fire up the base and change the dynamic of the election...how right they were - in all the wrong ways...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
In the absence
of all possible information, it's hard to say exactly what would have happened. Did she prevent a bad situation from getting worse? In other words, without Palin, would he have lost by a bigger margin? I could see that happening.

I kind of wonder what would have happened if he had picked someone a little less...volatile, or perhaps fiesty is the word I am looking for...for his running mate. If he had picked some fairly obscure (to the general public, anyway) congresswoman that was solidly conservative on almost everything but could have fired up the base with a speech or two, might he have done better? Who could have fulfilled that role? I'm thinking of someone like Bachmann, who is from a supposed swing state, who has her conservative credentials down but who isn't nuts.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
.
I'd take Palin over Bachmann any day. Bachmann is the definition of nuts.

21, Conservative Gay Democrat, NM-2 (Childhood) TX-10 (Home) TX-23 (School);   DKos: wwmiv.

[ Parent ]
The way I understood it
Was that he really wanted Lieberman but his people put the kibosh on it to avoiding blowing up the convention.

[ Parent ]
That's what a real maverick would have done.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Of all of McCain's failings
His lack of Presidential temperment is, in my opinion, the most damning. His whole self image is based on being an iconoclast, but what happens when you ARE the establishment? Insanity. Made double worse by his lack of any dissernable or consistent political philosophy.

Good thing he wasn't the GOP nominee in '00, he would have beaten Gore handily, but then would have nuked Afghanistan on 9/12 - and then probably France too, just to show how Maverick he really is.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
He's
probably more consistent than a lot of us imagine, but in a way that's not compatible with most of his party. He epoused the idea of wage insurance during one of the debates, for instance. Granted, it's possible he was just shooting off at the mouth--he also claimed he would balance the budget, raise defense spending, and cut taxes, or something similar, all within four years, which is a completely ludicrous claim.

But then, is he willing to throw out those beliefs for a cheap and temporary advantage? I think so.

My guess is, he's just in love with himself and the idea of being a sensible statesman. There's nothing wrong with that, of course, except if you aren't up to the job, which as you and I would probably agree, he isn't.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
A real maverick with political courage
While I do not doubt McCain's courage during his wartime service,

I think McCain has no political courage.


[ Parent ]
Sure, if one defines "maverick" as jumping off a cliff......
The McCain campaign was unbelievably laughable.

McCain's aides were 100% correct to put the kibosh on Lieberman.  It would've destroyed the convention and the rest of McCain's campaign would've been much worse than it was.  In all seriousness, GOP turnout might have been depressed enough to let Obama win a LBJ-level landslide.

And yet, those same aides, Schmidt in particular, insisted on Sarah!  That was equally dumb.

Ultimately the running mate didn't matter, McCain himself was too childishly impulsive to be a competent nominee.  That's one of those things you don't know until you know.  He sure looked like the "grown-up" compared to Dubya in 2000, and yet we now know that was never true.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Were Palin's flaws obvious
when she was picked? In fairness to Schmidt, et al, I doubt it.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I'm sure they were obvious with proper vetting, which is the very problem......
There very obviously was no proper vetting.

Palin is obviously a dunce.  This comes through quite clearly and quickly.  She doesn't bother to hide anything about herself.  All this being the case, proper vetting would have ensured she was never picked.

It's clear the Palin pick was very impulsive and made in a panic.  And that is just remarkable.  McCain himself, we know he's an impulsive guy, he showed that.  But that his campaign emulated him in such an important decision as picking the running mate is remarkable to me.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
For once I agree with pj......
Barbour is a joke vs. Obama, but Republicans have regressed to where they're clearly not smart enough to realize that.

Remember, this is the same crew that decided Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, Joe Miller, and Ken Buck are good nominees.  And in U.S. House races they pulled the same shit many more times over, with much greater success since voters pay hardly any attention to individual candidates that far downballot, especially in a wave election where they're simply mad at one party.

That success in getting so many teabaggers elected downballot is going to play a big role in their wanting to overreach in the Prez primaries next year.  There's still a plausible chance they'll wisen up and go the more electable route, but it's going to be very hard for them to come to seeing Barbour as having an electability problem when the Beltway political media themselves, who Rethugs believe to be so liberal, foolishly take him so more seriously than the general electorate ever would.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
WATN: Chris Dodd going to head the MPAA
former DE gov. russell peterson has died
http://www.delawareonline.com/...

he was a real environmental hero

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)


Sarah Palin was operating a sock puppet on Fbook
http://wonkette.com/438825/is-...

unbelievable

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)


Her political career has more lives than Prometheus
You'd think this would be it for her presidential aspirations, but somehow...

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Thoughts.
CT Sen- Sounds like a winner.
IN Sen- He's also a class A jackass. Go Lugar!
MA Sen- I hope he doesn't run. We can do better.
NV Sen- Anyone but Cortez Masto, she is awful.
RI Sen- I really don't get all the attention this race has gotten.
VA Sen- I really didn't expect him to. Though he would be a good backup if Kaine bows out.
WI Sen- I don't think he could do much anyhow.
IN Gov- Too bad I like Ellsworth and would prefer him to Gregg.
NY 10- Fun.
PA ST House- Am I missing something? State house candiates advertise all the time on tv in my area.
WATN- Love Specter, the best of luck to him. I really like Sestak and pulled hard for him but he should probably focus on the private sector.
Polltopia- Anyone who likes Rasmussen is just ignorant.
Redistricting- Oh NY, what could have been.....
Census- Looking forward to it.
Daves App- I really need to start using that.
SE- Should be fun. What about Chicago? Go Rahm!  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

RI-Sen
Whitehouse 49-38 approve, leads Avedisian 47-37, Carcieri 54-37, Robitaille 49-38 and Loughlin 51-34. Likely D.

http://publicpolicypolling.blo...


Avedisian does the best against him
even though he is probably the least known (he has been around longer than Robitaille and Loughlin, but he is the mayor of just one city and didn't run in 1/2 the state or statewide). It's probably because Avedisian is also the only one who even has a whiff of moderateness about him, whereas RIers probably recognize the other three enough to know that they are too far to the right.

In other words, basically squares with what I've been saying this whole time. Self-aggrandizement, yes, but at least now we can kill the "Carcieri could make RI-Sen competitive" meme.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Why can't you see Joe Sestak as Governor material?
Do you realize the incredible amount of administrative experience a three star admiral requires?

In all fairness, if Sestak couldn't beat Toomey, he's probably not defeating Corbett
I mean, Sestak is surely among the state's most statewide-electable Democrats, but he does strike me as more congressional material than executive-worthy. His resume says otherwise, but he's demeanor isn't necessarily that of tough leader.

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[ Parent ]
What does his demeanor
have to do with his ability to compete against Corbett?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
For the most part, Sestak refused to take Toomey to take over his right-wing ideology
Sestak will not defeat Corbett by running another "we're running against each other, but let's make this respectable 'cuz you're my swell pal" race.

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Huh?
That doesn't really answer my question. I won't pretend to know the specifics of that race. I seem to remember a lot of ads about outsourcing and Social Security privatization, although those could easily have been DSCC ads on Sestak's behalf. Regardless, the point you originally made was saying that Sestak's attitude made him better suited to be a legislator than an executive. That could be true, but it's not clear how that's true from the fact that he supposedly wasn't willing to go after Toomey because of his ideology.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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2014
That's only true if 2014 is about as bad for Dems as 2010 was. The electorate will probably be about the same as in 2010, but there won't be nearly as much generalized anger at Dems unless both (a) the Dems control all three of the House, Senate, and presidency again and (b) we have another severe recession.

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Corbett and several others should be easy to beat in 2014
If the economy does not improve, I would not want to be a governor elected in 2010 running in 2014.  Of all the politicians in the country, these folks will be lightniing rods for disappointment if things are not better than now, and if they are worse, they will be toast.

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Are you familiar with Adm. Sestak's reputation as an administrator?
I like Sestak as a legislator.

But besides his "poor command climate" as an Admiral, people left his congressional staff more quickly than those who worked for David Wu.

The consequences of those kinds of resignations under a presumed Gov Sestak -- would make life rather difficult for the PA D party.


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NY-26 Special
Does anyone know if Jane Corwin will have the conservative party line in the special election? Getting on the ballot in NYS is extremely difficult so without a readily available ballot position I don't see a challenge from the right getting off the ground.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke



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