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Safe 11-5 GOP in Ohio

by: jncca

Wed Feb 02, 2011 at 7:56 PM EST


I have done a couple things I've never seen anywhere else in an Ohio map.  I'm not sure if it's good or bad.

Here's the state:
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Let's start in the Southwest

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1st-yellow: Steve Chabot

Chabot loses some bluer precincts to the east and expands into the suburbs, probably making this Likely R rather than Toss-Up.  Lean R in a bad year like '08.  

2nd-green: Jean Schmidt

Schmidt's district is safe for anybody but her.  I don't really think any Democrat could hold it, so if she goes down and is replaced by someone with the same voting record but not as crazy, the GOP shouldn't mind.  They will hold this 8 of the 10 years, at least.  Plus, endangering her is the only way to make Chabot safe.

3rd-tan: Mike Turner

Turner loses a rural county and adds some suburbs.  If anything, it gets a little bit safer.

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8th-red: John Boehner

The Speaker must take on some new territory.  He might live out of the district, in which case he can swap a bit of territory with Chabot for no partisan effect.  Anyone worried about a defeat, incumbents don't lose in R+10 districts without a huge scandal or gaffe (see Sali, Bill)

4th-yellow: Jim Jordan

The RSC chair swaps some rural counties.  That's basically it.  Except he doesn't really live in the district.  I should have looked into that before I drew the map.  However, who is going to challenge him and win?  He can run in the 4th anyways.

5th-turquoise: Bob Latta

Latta takes on the (swingy? lean r? someone from ohio inform me) Toledo suburbs and some other swingy areas.  It's probably only Lean R rather than Likely, but it would be an uphill climb for any Democrat.

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I created the Columbus Dem vote sink many people agree should exist, most likely eliminating Steve Stivers, the most moderate Ohio GOPer anyways.

7th: Steve Austria-gray

Austria takes on more of the Columbus suburbs and the whiter parts of Columbus.  He's still safe.

15th: Columbus--area Democrat--salmon

It's safe for our side, and makes the surrounding districts safe as well.

12th: Pat Tiberi-light blue

Tiberi's district gets much safer.  He could face a primary challenge I guess, or he'll tack right a bit.

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Then there's the 6th: Bill Johnson-pink in zoomed in maps, blue in statewide map

Johnson gets much safer with the elimination of the rest of Mahoning County.  He still has Athens in the district, though.

16th: Jim Renacci-orange

Renacci loses inner-city Canton, something else I've never seen.  This should make him safe, with an already R-tilting district.

This sets up the incredibly ugly:
13th: Tim Ryan-bright green

Taking in industrial areas along Lake Erie, Democratic Mahoning and Warren Counties, inner-city Canton, Alliance, and the most populated parts of Portage County, Ryan has an incredible gerrymander going for him.  It's ugly, but makes Kucinich's elimination possible and makes Renacci safe.

14th: Steven LaTourette-brick

I'd be concerned about replacing him in a completely 50 50 district.  He's probably safe, but a successor might not be.

How was this all possible?

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By using water contiguity in Lake Erie.

9th: Marcy Kaptur-gold

Taking in Toledo, Lorain County, and Western Cuyahoga, Kaptur's new district is an uber-Dem vote sink.  She could be primaried by Kucinich, as this district is more liberal with less of a Toledo influence in the Democratic primary, and he probably doesn't have anywhere else to go.

10th: Betty Sutton-pale pink

Sutton takes in much of Kucinich's Cleveland Suburbs, the Democratic parts of Summit County, and some exurbs in between for a safe district that is shaped similarly to her own but contains some new territory.

11th: Marcia Fudge-puke

A fitting color for a representative who tried to weaken ethics laws.  Fudge's district is slightly under 50% Black, which could be tweaked if it looked uglier (possibly)

And there you have it!

jncca :: Safe 11-5 GOP in Ohio
Poll
Who would be eliminated in this map?
Marcia Fudge
Dennis Kucinich
Betty Sutton
Marcy Kaptur

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Lake Erie.....
Damn, that's creative. And brilliant.

I'm not sure Latta will be thrilled, and you'll probably see Tiberi, Stivers, and Gibbs all duking it out for one seat, but the other 9 Republicans will be very happy with this. Jordan probably wouldn't care about moving to accomodate Boehner, and Renacci and Johnson are a lot safer.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


i am now scared
if the ohio GOP uses this, i will feel like shit for ruining chances for my party. but thanks for the compliment

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

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Rather than water contiguity
Why not just include a thin strip along the shoreline?

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Toledo-Cleveland
This district is the one I think is least likely to happen. Most creative, but I think residents from both would be upset at being put with the other.

I think the Columbus district is conceivable
Republicans will have to eliminate one of their own to avoid a dummymander and Columbus is the most sensible place to do that.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

there are actually 3 incumbents eliminated
gibbs, one dem, and stivers. however, since the GOP took everything it could last election, this is the only safe way for them

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

[ Parent ]
The alternative to an inside-I-270 district
is to do a black-majority Cincinnati-to-Dayton-to-Columbus district, such as the following, from a diary Possumtracker1991 did here:



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Would that be VRA-Kosher?
it certainly doesn't feel like it.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

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Good question
According to Possumtracker, the stats are: 53% black, 42% white, 2% other, 1% Asian, 1% Hispanic.

I guess they'd have to argue that it is a partisan gerrymander, not a racial one.


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If you build it
the way the Democrats built NC-12 ten years ago (i.e., based primarily on political data) it's probably Constitutional. The VRA would probably be irrelevant, though.  

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Thoughts on NE Ohio districts
Creative map...two quick thoughts.

1) Kucinich would still likely primary Sutton on this map, as the Sutton district includes Parma and looks to run close to Kucinich's home in Lakewood area.  His brand is known in the Cleveland media market (for better or worse), so there is no reason for him to pitch himself in the Toldeo area.

2) It seems that you create much the same district for Kaptur if you took out the swingy western Cuyahoga parts of the district and instead included the shoreline counties like Erie.  This way you don't need to use the lake, and can still create a dem vote sink that includes inner city Toledo and Lorain.  You could then put Western Cuyahoga into the Renacci district, and give Latta Wayne County.  With a little shuffling in southern Summit, the population numbers would likely work in this swap without changing the PVI of any of the districts too greatly.


i didnt know
anything about pvi within cuyahoga county except cleveland is very dem, the suburbs less so as you extend outward. lorain county is more dem than the other two lakefront ones, albeit only by a couple points, so i gave those to kaptur instead

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

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Nice map
First some things I definitely agree with: The Columbus Dem sink is 100% necessary. Franklin is blue and getting bluer and can't be cracked anymore without major risk. And the water contiguity for the 9th is a great move to free it up to take in more NE Ohio liberals. It makes me puke a little inside (which is my personal litmus test for a good gerrymander, haha.)

Now my big beef with this: I don't see why 4 Dem districts are needed in the Northeast. I'm pretty sure the outer suburbs of Cuyahoga County are swingy to lean R, and really should be given to Renacci and LaTourette. Ashtabula should be kept with LaT - it's a D-leaning county but he's represented it for a while, and his district can still be R+3 or so with it in. And Columbiana is pretty bright red. I think McCain won it with around 60%. There's really no reason to split it up.

So what I think is that Kaptur's eastern portion should suck up both inner-city Elyria and Lorain, and then continue to the inner-ring suburbs in the current 10th (Lakewood, Brooklyn, maybe Parma) with the outer-ring suburbs and all of Medina going to the 16th. Then Ryan gets a nice Youngstown-to-Akron barbell.

I also ultimately think they're going to go after Schmidt. She's the weakest incumbent in the delegation by far, and can be eliminated nicely if Boehner's willing to take on some new territory (he'll still have a safe district, and it's not like he's going to have trouble with name recognition.)

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


Another thing I like
is that you took Canton out of Renacci's district. But ultimately I don't think it's big or liberal enough to merit being put in a Dem vote sink... therefore it'd be better to crack it (probably between Johnson and Gibbs).

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

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I'd like to think you can get away with 3 in NE Ohio
But there are too many Democratic cities: Toledo, Cleveland, Akron, Youngstown, Lorain. And Cleveland is still big enough that you need at least 1 and a half Democratic districts there.

I have an Ohio map that will eventually get posted at RRH, and it puts one more option on the table for 12-4. But I think 11-5, however they slice it, is more likely to happen.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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It's a tight fit
...I guess the big question that I don't know is the suburban Summit County and Lorain County voting patterns: places like Cuyahoga Falls, Green twp., Avon, etc. If those are solid D areas it's definitely not possible. But if D strength in Summit and Lorain is concentrated in the cities (as I think it is) 3D is doable. Do you have any info about that?

It's definitely possible to put Youngstown, Warren, and Akron, along with Kent and Ravenna, and some inner suburbs of those areas, in a single barbell. Likewise, you can run a narrow district from Toledo to Elyria/Lorain and the inner West suburbs of Cleveland. And by nibbling off some white precincts from the east side of the 11th you can put all of Cleveland city and some eastern suburbs in a single district.

Like I said, this is all a tight fit. You wind up with 3 districts that are overwhelmingly urban and overwhelmingly D. The question is whether all the Dems that need to be packed can fit in there.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


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RRH
FWIW, there was an interesting 12R-4D map recently on RRH.

I still
think the GOP will split Franklin county three ways and do Lucas county along the coast to Lorain.  Then Sutton & Dennis K and then put Jordan and CD18 together.  That's my best guess.  You could do CD16 into Cuyahago but its too risky in my opinion.

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13-3 GOP
Honestly, if the GOP controls the redistricting process why would they choose to eliminate 2 of their members and keep all democrats intact? I mean c'mon be realistic, the Ohio GOP will never use this map.

Because that would be impossible.
It would create a dummymander.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Well, not impossible
If you did some abgin-style baconmandering and drew crazy disricts like the Cincinnati-Dayton-Columbus monstrosity above, you might be able to pull a 13-3 map.  

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
This guy is a serious a-whole (banhammer?)
I remember seeing him make another asinine comment on another diary and decided to check on his other comments. Other than his universally acclaimed totally objective Oregon Republican gerrymander, his only other contribution consists of comments such as this gem posted on a diary that had been dead for two weeks before he rode onto the scene to personally attack the diarist: "yeah dude you were an idiot proposing this map."

Banhammer times should be quickly approaching if this keeps up.

25, Democrat, male, Currently living and voting in PA-2, originally form OK-1


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Oops - I meant a-hole, not a-whole, all else still applies


25, Democrat, male, Currently living and voting in PA-2, originally form OK-1

[ Parent ]
What's with all the trolls lately?
both Republican and just in general. But especially Republican trolls. The creation of Red Racing Horses was supposed to give them something better to do.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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We do not cater to trolls
Republicans, yes, trolls, no. They are just as annoying to us as they are to you. I feel for the mods here, who have a much higher volume of users (and trolls) to manage.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

[ Parent ]
When you start to
get a high volume of trolls, you will know you are doing something good, because more people will have visited your site. It's a contrary indicator of sorts.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Sorry, let me clarify...
I meant people who feel the need to go around posting Republican talking points on this Democratic site. I assume Republican talking points are apropos on RRH.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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