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SSP Daily Digest: 1/25

by: Crisitunity

Tue Jan 25, 2011 at 3:48 PM EST


CT-Sen: Murphmentum! Rep. Chris Murphy, in the race to replace Joe Lieberman, seems to have a sizable early edge in both the primary and general elections, at least according to his internal poll from the Gotham Research Group (with a Jan. 3-5 sample period, so pre-Murphy's campaign launch and pre-Lieberman's retirement). In the primary, he leads a two-way race against Susan Bysiewicz, 40-31. In the general, he leads Linda McMahon 54-35 and leads Rob Simmons 46-34 (which is quite the testament to McMahon's toxicity). The spread on the primary numbers is close to the 47-35 mystery poll that was widely mentioned on Murphy's announcement day, although the Murphy campaign reiterates that that poll wasn't theirs.

MN-Sen: Norm Coleman (currently heading American Action Network, who were big players on the dark money front in 2010) is saying that he's not ruling out another run for office, although couching that by saying he's enjoying being out of the news on a regular basis. No indication what he wants to run for, though.

MO-Sen: Here's one more name to add to the list for Missouri... or to add back to the list, after briefly being off the list while the pursued the chairmanship of the RNC. Ann Wagner, a former ambassador to Luxembourg, former RNC vice-chair, and former campaign manager to Roy Blunt (can't get much more GOP establishment than that resume), is publicly weighing the race again. (She says she'd defer to Jim Talent, though, but that's looking less likely.) And here's an early endorsement for Ed Martin, the former MO-03 candidate who's emerging as something of the tea party favorite in the field, if he decides to run; he got the endorsement of Phyllis Schlafly, Missouri-based 80s right-wing icon who still has a lot of pull in social conservative circles.

OH-Sen: Rep. Jim Jordan is back in the news for saying that he's "leaning against" a run against Sherrod Brown. If I recall correctly, he's been "leaning against" the race for months, so things don't seem to have changed much here.

LA-Gov: Louisiana Democrats seem to be turning their attention toward something that's previously eluded them: a potentially willing candidate to go up against Bobby Jindal. Former SoS Al Ater, well-regarded for getting the state electoral system back in gear after Hurricane Katrina in 2005, still sounds pretty noncommittal, perhaps most about the idea of spending his own money on the race (self-financing seems to be the Dems' main criteria for the race, and while Ater has money, he doesn't sound happy about spending much of it).

IA-03: Christie Vilsack is seemingly moving toward a run for the House in 2012, meeting with donors and labor leaders to lay some groundwork. This seems strange, though, because all three of the state's House Dems say they're running for re-election, including 77-year-old Leonard Boswell. (Vilsack would be likeliest to run in the 3rd, or whatever the Des Moines-area district will be called once redistricting happens.) She won't make a formal decision until April, when the new four-district redistricting maps will be unveiled, but for now it looks like, unless she's going to run against Steve King, there's a collision course with an existing Dem.

Chicago mayor: Fresh off a surprising setback in the Illinois Appellate Court, which reversed lower court rulings that he was a Chicago resident and eligible to become mayor, Rahm Emanuel has appealed to the state Supreme Court; they've announced they'll hear the case on an expedited basis, with no oral arguments, so we should be out of limbo pretty soon. There was a brief period where it looked like the city was going to go ahead and start printing ballots without Emanuel's name (which would basically be the kiss of death), but also today, a stay was ordered that pushes back the ballot printing until the case is fully decided. Also, in case you though this was all just about a legitimate case of differences in statutory interpretation, with grownups disagreeing about what an inadequately-specific law means, guess again. (Forget it, Jake. It's Chicago.) It turns out that two of the three Appellate Court judges on the case were slated by the 14th district Alderman Edward Burke, a local powerbroker who's a staunch Emanuel rival and a key Gery Chico backer. This leads to the question of whether supreme court justice Anne Burke, who may have a certain loyalty to Edward seeing as how she's married to him, will recuse herself from the Emanuel case.

Omaha mayor: There's one special election on tap today: a recall election in Omaha, against mayor Jim Suttle. There's no scandal or malfeasance alleged, just anger about over usual teabagger grievances like "excessive taxes, broken promises, and union deals," as well as the unspoken obvious: while it's an ostensibly nonpartisan job, Suttle's a Democrat. (Omaha seems particularly trigger-happy about recalls; Mike Boyle was successfully recalled in 1987.)

Senate: Somehow it doesn't seem unusual, but what George Allen is attempting (and what Jim Talent could attempt, too) is, in fact, highly unusual. Only five Senators have lost re-election and then come back to the Senate... but most of them (Slade Gorton most recently) were elected to their state's other Senate seat. What Allen is doing is even more unusual: defeating the guy who beat you six years ago in order to reclaim your seat seems to have happened all of once in history. Thanks to UMN's Smart Politics, it looks like the one time was in 1934, when Rhode Island Democrat Peter Gerry (the great-grandson of Elbridge Gerry, in case you're wondering) beat one-term Republican Felix Hebert, who had knocked him out in the GOP tsunami of 1928.

DGA: The Democratic Governor's Association announced its new hires for the cycle, including the Patriot Majority's Dan Sena as its political director. We're especially happy to see their new hire for communication director: friend-to-the-site Lis Smith, last seen on Ted Strickland's campaign.

Redistricting: There's some redistricting-related drama looming in New York, where the Senate Republicans are backing away from promises of a non-partisan redistricting map. Andrew Cuomo has signaled that he'd veto any map that wasn't non-partisan, but is now suggesting he can negotiate on that, in exchange for other priorities. There was also a smaller battle in Georgia, won by Lt. Gov. Casey Cagle (who, in his role as Senate president, got to reassert his authority over the process), where the stakes are lower since the GOP controls the trifecta. The battle was against Senate president pro tem Tommie Williams... Williams is from the south (unlike Nathan Deal, Cagle, and the House speaker, all from the north) and has a stake in keeping the underpopulated southern part of the state's interests represented at the table.

One of the big question marks for redistricting is Florida, where the initiative that passed, limiting gerrymandering, still has to run the gauntlet in the courts; the GOP in the state House are joining the suit against the initiative that was filed jointly by Mario Diaz-Balart and Corrine Brown (not surprising that they'd support it, since the GOP controls the trifecta and the legislature would get to resume gerrymandering if it's struck down). Finally, the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette takes a look at Pennsylvania redistricting prospects, concluding (rightly, in my estimation) that the axe is likely to fall in the southwest corner of the state because of its stagnant population, and suggesting that the likeliest removal from the House will be the loser of a Jason Altmire/Mark Critz mashup.

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WV-Sen: Manchin leads Capito 50-41.
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

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So little time, so much to know!


That might be tempting
Since his approval numbers are more likely to go down than hers. But probably not.

[ Parent ]
WV's 2:1 Dem registration advantage
Helps Manchin defeat Capito despite the fact they are equally popular.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
WV-Gov numbers are coming out tomorrow
(mentioned in the comments)

[ Parent ]
NH-Sen
Does Shaheen vs. Sununu count for a rematch, or not because it was an open seat the first time?

It doesn't count under the definition provided......
They looked at comebacks, not just any rematch.  Shaheen wasn't a defeated incumbent, so it wasn't a comeback when she won in '08.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Florida Republicans must really think fair maps will work against them
When Florida Republicans and Corrine Brown team up, it's a sign of desperation for both of the sides involved.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

they're right
The map they have right now is the ultimate gerrymander. 14 of its 25 seats have PVIs between R+1 and R+9. 1 seat (West's) is between D+1 and D+9, and it's a D+1 that was drawn as a Republican seat but has shifted left.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
I wouldn't say it's
shifted left; it's one of the few seats in the country outside the Appalachian arc where Obama underperformed Gore (it was D+4 prior to the post-2008 PVI revisions). Still, it was designed as the most-Republican seat possible on the Gold Coast, in order to try to help Clay Shaw hold on for a while longer.

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I don't know that area well
But is it possible that Obama underperformed Gore b/c of Jewish support for Joe Lieberman? It seems like the kind of area where that could be the case.

Male, VA-08

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age
I suspect it's age. Obama did relatively worse than Kerry also. Obama won it by 4 (7 nationally) and Kerry won it by 2 (lost by 2 nationally). It was D+2 in 00 and 04 and then R+1 in 08.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
52-48 seems to be the result for that district
in every prez election heh.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

[ Parent ]
Brown needs to withdraw.
She's making a fool of herself for opposing fairer districts and misinterpreting the props.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
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[ Parent ]
She's one of the Congresscritters
I like least.  I bet she was plenty glad to see Gainesville get thrown into her district, even though it screwed over the Dem incumbent there.

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She's one of the members of congress that is all about "Me, me, me"
Fair districts are always a threat to politicians like Brown and many of the Republicans she's siding with.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Obama job approval in NC at 49/44.
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...

Also:

Mitt Romney comes the closest to Obama this time, trailing 47-44. Mike Huckabee is next, with a 49-45 deficit. Newt Gingrich is down 50-44 and and Sarah Palin as usual fares the weakest of the GOP hopefuls trailing Obama by nine points at 50-41.


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I don't like
the idea of us benefitting from religious bigotry, but unfortunately, it's supposed to be a factor. So I have to ask, how many people are aware of Romney's Mormon background? My impression is that North Carolina isn't as extreme when it comes to this stuff as other states near it are, but just a small negative effect could mean some fairly big things when it comes to the overall results.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Romney and Huckabee
I think they have a big problem with either. Romney in the South, Huckabee out West.

[ Parent ]
Just like 4 years ago.
And I assume rightwing talk radio won't be timid about "informing" Repub primary voters about Romney's faith.

And few fundamentalists  would outright say it affects their vote, but I wonder if pollsters may not uncover a kind of religion "Bradley effect".


[ Parent ]
They all have serious flaws
But much can change. It already has in just the last month.

[ Parent ]
What is Huck's problem out West?
It seems to me he could have more appeal to Hispanics in the southwest due to his moderate stances on immigration and occasionally populist economic leanings.

Male, VA-08

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The very things that will likely stop his nomination
The PPP NV numbers had him on a par with Palin and Gingrich.

[ Parent ]
Oh, you were talking about the primary
I agree with you there. I was talking about the general.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
No you were right the first time
I was just pointing out I don't think it matters.

[ Parent ]
unknown if Huck / Romney is the nominee
would it affect R turnout in their respective weak areas.

aka -- if Romney is the nominee, would that solidify VA, NC, FL, and open up opportunity in GA

or -- if Huck is the nominee, would that solidify CO, NM, NV, while opening up opportunity in AZ and MT


[ Parent ]
The effect in NC may be smaller
Because Romney's better performance in the research triangle offsets his weakness among evangelicals, but in other states like Texas (where Romney only led by 7 in PPP's poll a couple weeks ago despite GOP senate candidates winning by double digits in the same poll) the ugly factor of anti-Mormonism is going to be a big problem for Romney. That's why I voted for PPP to poll SC next, as I'd like to see if that hurts him there as much as it did in TX. If so, states like Georgia and South Carolina could maybe be competitive against him.  

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
I really don't think Mormonism would be a big handicap...
... in a general election. In a primary, sure. But general election's are polarizing affairs, and by the end of them the candidates are so exposed that even opponents mostly stop viewing them in terms of identity. If Romney were the Republican nominee, he might have more trouble in rural parts of the South, but those states would mostly go against him anyway, and ultimately the battleground would remain where it always is: suburbs.  

[ Parent ]
Perhaps
But it is pretty clear at least for now that Romney polls better out West and Huckabee in the South.

[ Parent ]
Maybe
But that number in TX really seems to say otherwise to me. And that's only right now, before a bruising primary where Romney is going to be hammered for Romneycare, his flip-flopping on abortion, etc. If there's tea party discontent with Romney, it will come from the SoCon/evangelical fundamentalist part of the GOP. Most of these people will probably come home and vote for him anyway, but some might vote for Ron Paul or some other third party candidate or just stay home. This group definitely would not represent the majority of evangelical voters, but in a state like VA or NC that is bound to be close it could be enough to tank Romney.

Male, VA-08

[ Parent ]
PPP made
a similar point today: it's not clear who can bridge the gap between the Independent and centrist voters the Republicans needs to win the general and the conservatives and Teabaggers the Republican needs to win the primary. If someone runs as a third party candidate and shaves just a few points off the Republican candidate's total, it basically takes away any chance of that person winning.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Yeah, he'd hold the South, of course
but I don't think Pat Buchanan would unleash his doorknocking hordes on behalf of Mitt Romney. Evangelicals would either stay home or hold their nose, insuring Romney would still win states like South Carolina, but they might not do much else, i.e. fundraise, donate, and volunteer.  

NY-01/NY-19

[ Parent ]
Yeah, I meant 49/47
Misread it.

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[ Parent ]
Cook's early state Prez ratings are junk......
He's simply assuming the 2000/2004 map, that's obvious from looking at his list.  He's assuming the 2008 map won't hold.  He's already been proven wrong.  Obama's appeal in places like NC and VA is a personal one and very strong, there is not going to be a snap-back as Cook assumes.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Off topic
Have you noticed how the PPP job approval anomaly now extends to national polls?

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Yes I have and I'm glad you brought it up!!!......
It's amazing, PPP now is one of the only pollsters left who find Obama underwater nationally!

And what's ironic is that PPP's state-level polls now are showing Obama doing well.

That's a real disconnect and speaks to sampling problems.  I recall the first DailyKos/PPP national poll appended an explanation that indicated they were using registration-based sampling, which is uncommon; the norm is random digit dialing.  Beyond that, I don't know what methodological issues they could have.  But PPP's national poll now ironically is the outlier, even moreso than Rasmussen who had an "oh shit!" moment upon realizing everyone was showing Obama improving.

I'm glad there are a lot of polls out there, because the vagaries of polling just underscore the importance of the totalility of polling rule.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I'm sometimes amazed...
... at how little pundits actually know or understand about political history. Now, in fairness to Cook, he's often quite good and he saw the Republican wave far earlier than any of us. But things like this election map are crazy. Pundits are constantly claiming that this is going to be a close election and that Obama won't be able to win as big as in '08. Maybe that'll happen, but there's no reason to assert that, when it's actually far likelier that Obama, if he wins, will win by a greater margin than in '08. Every second-term president exc. Woodrow Wilson has done so, and Wilson's was a special case because of the three-way nature of his 1912 win.

Now I'm not suggesting that Obama's a shoo-in. He could easily lose. And yes, it's possible that he could win reelection by a tight margin. But prognostication two years out needs to take into account all the possibilities. A truly reasonable electoral map at this stage would simply put every swing state Obama won, as well as a handful of other close states like MO, MT, AZ, and maybe GA and/or SC in the "competitive" category, with the "firewall" states in the solid category. That would indicate what the map will look like starting out, and obviously it'll shift and narrow from there based on conditions in 2012.  


[ Parent ]
It may be too early
To say that Obama's appeal in VA and NC is a personal and strong one. The Democrats have done absolutely horrendously in Virginia since the moment he took office, nearly losing seats he carried with 65% of the vote in special elections, being exterminated in 2009, and they just lost a Senate Special election by 26 points that should at least have been far closer(bad republican, strong democrat, competitive district, they would have won it in 2005-2008). And this fall is unlikely to be much better. Arguably there has already been a snap-back not to 2004 but to 1998-2002.

NC is a bit of a different issue I agree, but the Democrats still did very poorly there in 2010. I would contrast both with states like Colorado and Nevada, where even at the worst of times Democrats did quite well, raising serious questions as to whether those states are starting to turn heavily blue.


26 Right-leaning, Euro-Conservative, Anti-Tea Party Independent


[ Parent ]
Dude, there's already been recent polling showing Obama winning VA and NC again......
PPP polled Virginia just after the midterms and found Obama at 50-45 job approval and beating all comers.

PPP had Obama doing a little worse in NC but still staying competitive when they polled the state for the final time last year, but they just polled again this month and found Obama's job approval above water and, like in VA, he now beats all comers in trial heats.

Even the 2009 VA-Gov exit poll showed Obama's job approval in the state not too far underwater, at 48-51.  That's pretty close to 50-50 in what was in the midst of his slide.

Obama's appeal in these states is personal, that is a truism.  Obama was the 2008 Democratic wannabe who polled well in these places and a few others like Indiana, North Dakota, and Montana.  There is something about him personally that a lot of normally-Republican voters like.  And that his appeal remains strong in VA and NC is supported by the data.  Granted, I'm talking in relative terms here, he's not "strong" the way he is in blue states or that any Republican would be in red states.  But he is polling well, as well as in '08 in these states.  And that's ominous for the GOP, they simply can't win if they have to fight for NC and VA.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
If President Obama is winning North Carolina...
It's over. Plenty of time before the election, but I can understand why his likely opponents are so reluctant to formally get in the race right now. Huge rebound from where the president's numbers were last summer.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Yeah they are all in Mario Cuomo wait and see mode


[ Parent ]
It's pretty
clear Romney is running. I'd same the same for Pawlenty.

The question is, what's the benefit of being the first to jump into the water? At this point, I don't see any. As far as I know, they are all following the legal requirements to raise money and doing the usual stuff, like promoting books and so on. But if they make it official, they not only get all of the advantages, but also get the disadvantages. Right now, the latter outweigh the former. By waiting, Romney and any others can get a better idea of which way to go when it comes to appealing to different sides.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
The last few cycles people were in by now
In both parties.

[ Parent ]
But what
steps, besides formally announcing, have people like Romney not taken?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Exploratory committees for one
Unless you include Herman Cain.

[ Parent ]
Does
have have to form a new one, or can he use a lot of the same organization he used last time?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
New one required every cycle......
In the case of a Presidential election, the cycle is 4 years instead of 2, but you need a new one.

But you can simply transfer the money and infrastructure from the previous one, so it's not a hurdle in any way.

Still, you can't raise new money until you file papers.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Romney can afford to wait
he has universal name recognition. Pawlenty, who I'm sure is tired of playing second fiddle to Huckabee, Romney, Palin, and Gingrich, has some incentive to announce first. It gets his name out there early and gives him plenty of much needed press/enthusiasm.  

NY-01/NY-19

[ Parent ]
That's a good point,
but like I said, they are doing all of the stuff that you normally do, but without actually making it official.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I have to wonder
if North Carolina has now become a swing state permanently.  

[ Parent ]
I think the days of the Republicans taking it for granted have passed...
If that qualifies, which I think it does.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
I'm not sure how they win
if they can't take North Carolina for granted. They'd have to pick off a Pennsylvania or Minnesota or Washington State.  

[ Parent ]
Maybe
But it also seems like Missouri is no longer a swing state.  Just as well.  NC is growing and MO is shrinking.

[ Parent ]
yeah I was going to say
North Carolina has more EV than Missouri.  

[ Parent ]
If Pennsylvania
is a swing state, Missouri is also one.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
It has, and it
will continue to be one in the future barring something unusual.

It was more a question of when it would happen, rather than whether it would happen. I'd argue that you could even see it in North Carolina as well as Virginia in 2004. And unless 2012 is a very bad year for Democrats, we'll likely see growth, if not outright wins, in Georgia and South Carolina and probably in Arizona and Texas, too.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
NC
If I'm not mistaken, North Carolina & Ohio were the only states where Kerry outperformed Gore in 2004. Some of that was due to Edwards, but Bush actually outperformed Kerry in MA, so it doesn't completely explain it.

I agree NC is going to be a battleground (if not THE battleground) for the next decade.  

33, male, Dem, OH-13


[ Parent ]
I'd be curious
to read a detailed account of the 2004 election. From what I remember seeing and reading, the Kerry campaign didn't completely abandon Virginia, for instance, but didn't put in nearly the same effort as Obama did. That certainly makes sense, but I wonder when, exactly, they stopped focusing on the state. Kerry did slightly better than Gore in the state, and there wasn't any sort of connection to it like there was with Edwards in North Carolina, so it's definitely a sign things were changing.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
A lot of states swung to Kerry
Including Maine, Oregon, Colorado, and of course New Hampshire.

[ Parent ]
Far more than that
Kerry outperformed Gore in Washington, Oregon, Nevada, Alaska, Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Colorado, North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Ohio, North Carolina, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and DC.

[ Parent ]
I think some of those might be owing to the Nader drop-off


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Talent out in MO
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

So does this open the floodgates? I just don't think Ann Wagner or Ed Martin has the firepower to beat Steelman, and there might be room for a bigger-name establishment type (Sam Graves?)

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


Why so much firepower?
Steelman is no juggernaut.

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[ Parent ]
Neither is Ed Martin or Ann Wagner
these to me seem like "B" list candidates (and that's being generous). Neither has been elected to anything, or even run statewide before. Even a high-profile state legislator would have more gravitas than those two.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Oh, I see what you mean.


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[ Parent ]
Republicans don't look for gravitas
They look for "enthusiasm".  

B-list candidates don't have the stigma in the GOP that they do in Dem primaries.

Wagner or Martin could easily defeat Steelman.


[ Parent ]
Not debating that
but only if there's not a better alternative. The field is ripe for an "A" list SoCon to come in. Somebody like Sam Graves would probably suck the oxygen out of those two and make it a one-on-one contest with Steelman.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
You said
"I just don't think Ann Wagner or Ed Martin has the firepower to beat Steelman"

I don't agree, largely because in the GOP you need no gravitas at all.

Sure Graves would be stronger, but that doesn't mean either of the other two couldn't easily defeat Steelman next year.


[ Parent ]
Point taken
What I'm trying to convey is that Steelman would be the prohibitive front-runner against either or both of them, unless something came along to truly shift the dynamic of the race.

I'm not saying one of them couldn't catch fire among the grass roots, but it would have to be from a convergence of personal strength, negative feelings toward Steelman, and national influence. We've seen that more than usual this year, but it is still the exception rather than the rule. Running a conventional primary, even on the R side, still requires some gravitas to get your campaign off the ground. And conventional primaries (which can still be ideological, mind you) still make up the vast majority of primaries. It's just that the nonconventional ones get the attention.

For example, I can only think of 4 2010 Senate primaries where the winner had as little gravitas as Wagner or Martin: UT, KY, AK, and DE. And all 4 of those were special circumstances due to that combination of factors I mentioned above. Ken Buck, Sharron Angle, Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, etc. all had significant gravitas.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
Sharron Angle had gravitas?
Please explain what you mean by that. I don't get it, because whatever "gravitas" she had didn't prevent her from being a national laughingstock.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
She was an elected state legislator
...as such, she had campaign experience, a core base, and a legislative record. That made her a serious candidate.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Your take on Angle is absurd......
Lyndon LaRouche, too, has campaign experience and a core base.  Angle, like LaRouche, is a complete crank.  Angle's followers are groupies, not a "base."

And not just any state legislative experience qualifies one as a "serious" candidate.  There are plenty of local cranks who get elected to state legislatures all over the country, and she is just that.  What you call her "legislative record" is a blank piece of paper, nothing on it.  She was a short-term state legislator who was on the outs with her own party, never accomplished anything in office, and earned no respect from anyone in state politics.  Not just any state legislator can be called "serious."

Wagner, for her part, has far more gravitas than Angle.  No, she doesn't have groupies like Angle, but she has respect.

And what last year proved is that respect from the party establishment still is necessary to win statewide in almost all cases.  The only winner last year in Senate races who didn't have his party's respect was Rand Paul, and his trump card was simply lineage; if he lived the exact same life with the same resume and same politics, but he was a nobody named Paul Rand, then Trey Greyson would've crushed him 90-10.  Rand Paul won simply because he has a politically prominent dad.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I asked this yesterday, but didn't get a response:
is the base in Missouri exactly the same as the Tea Party, or does a sizable establishment presence still exist? I ask because while I don't think Steelman is loathed buy the Teabaggers, I'm not sure she's loved. If that's the case, there looks to be an opening.

I'd imagine McCaskill's reelection gets a lot easier if she's up against someone she can easily paint as an extremist, particularly if this person is a man.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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MO
I don't know that much about MO, but Blunt is about as establishment as you can get and he beat back a tea party primary challenge by a ridiculous margin.

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
That tea-party challenge
never picked up steam like the main ones we saw.  I wouldn't even call it a "challenge".

[ Parent ]
$
Do you know of a good source for how much money was spent on campaigns? I think you can find how much was spent by candidates' own campaigns, but do they have the same data for outside groups?

41, Ind, CA-05

[ Parent ]
thanks!
nm

41, Ind, CA-05

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Steelman
The way I see it, Steelman is a purist fiscal conservative. I don't think she's particularly socially liberal, but she certainly isn't enthusiastic about social conservatism. Hence why she's loved by the CfG and other national fiscal-oriented groups. I imagine she's probably in the good graces of the tea party (using the narrow definition of it as hard-core fiscal conservatives) but not loved by the conservative grassroots at large because of her relative antipathy to SoCons. In retrospect it was probably a mistake for her not to challenge Blunt - she would've been perfect for this year's climate.

That's the way I see it. Anyone from MO have more info or clarification?

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


[ Parent ]
MO GOP'ers are very RW
There used to be a midwestern moderate-Republican strain in the state GOP. Think Jack Danforth and the Kit Bond of twenty years ago. But a lot of that was based out of the St. Louis area, which has swung strongly to Democrats in the past decade. Republicans now increasingly rely on votes from the fast-growing Southwest and formerly Dixiecrat rural parts of the state.

The result is that for the past ten years or so, MO Republicans have generally been very right-wing. And that may be a reason why Tea Party-dissatisfaction failed to upend that many establishment GOP'ers in the state. The Tea Party challenges mostly work when the rest of the GOP rank-and-file basically agrees that the local party candidates are too liberal. For the most part, I don't think most MO Republicans feel that way.  


[ Parent ]
Emerson in on MOSen?
http://hotlineoncall.nationalj...

Maybe she's not liking the idea of having to face off vs Carnahan for re-election?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Isn't she
pretty crummy at campaigning?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
Faux-moderate too
Ideal Teabagger target.

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Agreed
I've been thinking that if she gets thrown in with Carnahan she'll probably have the advantage (depending on how much of STL City and South STL county stays in the new 3rd, but a Jefferson County GOPer would have a huge advantage on either of them, but the teabagger from Jefferson county who lost to Carnahan last year is looking at the Senate race (or is making noise about it anyway).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Has she ever had to RUN a real campaign?
She inherited her seat from her husband and I don't think she's ever been challenged.

This sounds more like bluster to keep from getting challenged with a race vs Carnahan, what exactly does she bring to the table? I don't know how popular she is with the legislature, tons of her former staffers work for Fleishman-Hillard now and they can't STAND her.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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From the Hotline piece
I think the below quote is actually paraphrasing comments from her "political director" Steve Gordon.

"Emerson would count her sprawling southeastern district as her base and would make a strong appeal to the conservative rural areas of the state, which would be pivotal in a crowded GOP primary."

I think this premise is completely false, first of all in how strong her hold is on her district in a competitive primary, but also I find the thought of here having much appeal  to rural conservatives to be highly dubious.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Gotham
They were one of the few Dem internals that cut the mustard last year. Particularly when Merriman said Murphy was behind and on the way to losing.

What keeps Christie Vilsack
from running against King? The district will not be out of reach PVI wise.  

TX-13,22,Dem

The fact that she lives in Des Moines
Which will likely not be in King's district.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

[ Parent ]
That's hardly a handicap
scores of Reps have gotten around residency issues. But I think she's thinking she can force Boswell out with the threat of a stiff primary challenge.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Those scores of Reps probably lived close enough that it didn't matter
or where the PVI was at least favorable to them.  And hell, even when the PVI slightly favors you and you have a giant wave year at your back, people like David Harmer in CA-11 still couldn't make it happen.

[ Parent ]
Vilsack is a statewide figure though
so name recognition isn't a problem. My point is she could run against King and be viable. But I do agree she wouldn't want to because of the PVI of the district.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

[ Parent ]
Depends on the Map
If the population doesn't work out right for a very compact Des Moines + surrounding counties map, it's possible there would be a Des Moines to Council Bluffs district that it's plausible no incumbent other than Steve King would run in.

If the counties east/south of Des Moines get put in Loebsack's district, I don't think it's out of the question that Boswell runs there, he would have represented much of the district in the 90s.  And if there is a district that contains Sioux City and Fort Dodge (and presumably not Des Moines), I think Tom Latham definitely runs there.  And I would give Vilsack a good chance against King in any district containing Des Moines.


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The commission won't draw a DSM-to-CB map......
I might be confused, and maybe you're talking about a map for all (or almost all) counties west of Polk, but if you mean a district including both Des Moines and Council Bluffs, that very likely won't happen.  That would connote a four-quarters map, which is tough to draw with Polk because its population by itself is already one-half a district, and there's a limit to how many counties you can add to it.  If you throw Pottawatamie (Council Bluffs) in there, which itself is in the Top 10 in the state, then you've got even fewer rural counties to toss in.  It becomes a very weird map, without any real rhyme or reason, and thus one that a nonpartisan commission is very unlikely to draw.

The $500 million question really is what counties will join Polk in a district.  That will decide each party's chances of winning the seat.  And I'm finding it harder and harder to see how Latham doesn't find himself in a pickle.  He can't win Polk, especially in a Presidential year, and against Boswell I think he'd have a hard time even keeping the margin down there.  So the surrounding counties are crucial.  And if they put counties like Story and Marshall in there but don't go any further north, and don't go west, then Latham likely is toast.  He lives in Ames nowadays and likely is stuck wherever Story goes, but Story most likely is going either with Polk or with the western counties--which King won't like, because he has no chance in a competitive district.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Why can't 4 quarters work?
To be fair, this is probably the best map I could draw for the Republicans (if you ignore Steve King).  Latham goes to the northwest district (which contains both Ames and much of his 1990s district) and wins easily.  King probably can't win the 4th, but some Republicans could; he might try to primary Latham.  Braley and Loebsack basically retain their districts, but Boswell could conceivably primary Loebsack or run in the western district.

Populations are within 2000 or so; I had it under 1000 but accidentally had a few split counties.  These are estimates anyhow so I'm not that worried.



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If you've got the population ratios as even as you say, then job well done......
I wouldn't have guessed a district with Polk and Pottawatamie could include that many rural counties.  That's 15 additional counties, 17 total.  As I said in my previous comment, Polk is about one-half a district by itself.

Steve King wouldn't like your map, he can't win a general in that NW district you've drawn with counties featuring Ames, Marshalltown, and Fort Dodge.  Story (Ames) and Marshall are my co-home counties growing up, with Story a decent Democratic lean, and Marshall firmly medium-purple; King being the extremist he is, can't win anyplace that's purple, especially where he's never before been on a ballot.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him retire if that's the map, and indeed the state GOP likely privately would pressure him to hang it up.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
An R+9 district
is not within reach for Vilsack, even if the incumbent is Bachmann like Steve King.

I miss SSP. Republican, IL-10

[ Parent ]
+9 is just slightly plausible, +9 and carpetbagging is not
She's gotta be aiming at Boswell, and he should smell the coffee and move on.

[ Parent ]
Big mistake to assume Vilsack would beat Boswell......
He's popular within the party and a proven vote-getter in Polk and other neighboring counties.  And this last win really enhances his electoral stature, surviving as he did in such a tough year against a guy who was stronger than many Republicans elsewhere in the country who did knock off Dem incumbents.

Regarding King, I'm increasingly convinced that Latham is going to get squeezed in a bad way in redistricting.  Even with a nonpartisan commission holding almost all the cards, it's hard to expand King's district, as is necessary, without giving him even more Republican counties that get taken from Latham.  Then the neighboring district is Polk-based, where Latham has never run.  But Boswell is known and liked in Polk.

The conventional wisdom has been that Latham would likely beat Boswell or any other Dem to force a 2-2 delegation, but I increasingly see that as unlikely.  Indeed, if I'm Latham, I'm probably rooting for Vilsack over Boswell in a primary, so at least I've got an opponent who Polk County voters have never seen on a ballot (even though they voted for her husband twice).

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
VA-Sen, How long will Webb dither on making his decison
whether to run or not?
Now that this campaign has officially kicked off with Allen's action, Webb's continuing uncertainty may start to be spun as weakness. Also, a long delay could impact getting our replacement candidate if he ultimately does decide to retire.

Earlier the better if he is calling it quits
If not then it helps to keep Allen guessing.

[ Parent ]
Webb's decision won't slow Allen down
If anything it will help his fundraising since many national donors will send checks to Allen if they think he's the strongest candidate to knock off the incumbent. They'll be much lessa enthusiastic about picking a horse pre-primary for an open seat.

If Webb doesn't start fundraising for a re-elect soon he risks getting swamped, he's not a great fundraiser anyway (or campaigner at all IMO) and certainly can't afford to let Allen get a big head start.

It also gives Allen an uncontested messaging period to work on redefining himself as anything other that the "Macaca" guy.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
When nobody is taking any notice?
Not sure about that. Though you may have a point on fundraising. Having said that as the incumbent he shouldn't have too much trouble raising the neccesary cash should he choose to run. And Allen's massive financial advantage didn't stop him losing last time.

[ Parent ]
Allen lost in '06
Because he never recovered from his Macaca flub. Call it arrogance or just disbelief they muddled there way through and never regained control of their message. Even with that and the worst atmosphere for the GOP since '74 and he still only lost by .3%.

I know I've already made my distain for Webb clear, the guy is a terrible Senator IMO, so I'll drop it.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Sen. Webb should retire...
And I don't care where he goes after that. He's not my first choice for Secretary of Defense, but I suppose he'd be better than, say, moving Secy. Clinton to that job.

Tom Perriello would make a great senator, and I do think he could win statewide. I do. He may be liberal, but he has an everyman profile and I've never seen anyone campaign harder.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


[ Parent ]
Agreed!
If Webb isn't willing to do constituency service, meet voters or raise money, what makes anyone think he should be the nominee? Outside of the very limited areas he's interested in Webb is a virtual non-entity as a Senator.

Better for him to quit now and we get a real campaign between Allen and someone who actually wants to be Virginia's sEnator like Perriello or Connolly (or Kaine if his non-announcement was a bluff to motivate Webb).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I thought you were going to drop it


[ Parent ]
Virginians don't agree
He has positive job approval numbers in the last two polls.  

[ Parent ]
Yup, fine if pj don't like him, but not fine to pretend that's widely shared...
...when it's clearly not.

Constituent service is important, but not very.  Most voters never need it and don't seek it, nor do they vote against someone for lack of it.

People like Webb, and they like his record.  It'll be a competitive race, but Webb has the edge and will win in an Obama coattails year.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Yup, it feels like user notpjorourke has set up his own personal
anti-Webb campaign.

Given the ease with which messages can be copied to different forums, blogs, etc. I wonder how difficult it would be to set up such a campaign, like the racist what's her name who set up the furor against the Muslim community center in Manhattan.

Just to be clear, I am --not-- accusing user notpjorourke of such.

But that kind of "campaign" over a bunch of different sites have been known to at least shift the window of perception. In fact, I think attempts as such happen relatively frequently with emails from Malkin, Limbaugh, etc. copied by right-wing bot users to different forums.


[ Parent ]
This might
just seem this way to me, but this poster reminds me a lot of the one who was banned for posting non-stop about how McCaskill was doomed and Missouri was a dead zone for the Democrats. notleeatwater was the name, I think.

I would easily be wrong about this, since I'm still pretty new to this blog and lots of people have been here for years, but the similarities are too great to go unmentioned.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Was that poster banned???......
I wonder what happened to him, didn't know he might have been banned, and was surprised he wasn't posting again whenever Mizzou has come up in recent weeks.  He claimed to have campaign experience on our side in Missouri over many years, but of course any of us can claim anything about ourselves on the internet.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
For instance
I'm a three term congressman from Indiana's Fifteenth Congressional District.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Nice work
Considering your socialist tendencies!

[ Parent ]
yup
within days of his first rant, if I remember right.  

[ Parent ]
I went back to look
and it seems Lee Atwater's cardinal sin was not endorsing a 50 state strategy. I'd bet he'd think better of cutting off Claire McCaskill with ND open...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I don't remember that guy
Apparently I missed out on some fun stuff when I went quiet after the midterm.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
He was clueless
Ohio and Florida are crucial states yet Virginia is gravy despite the fact the margin was larger in the latter.

[ Parent ]
If by "fun" you mean
entirely subjective, unsubstantiated claims being trolled around as commentary, then yes, you missed a lot of fun.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Eventually you have to find the comedy in it
Or you'll go insane. Or... just not care that much, I guess.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

[ Parent ]
Thanks, I missed that, and it tells me how time flies......
I didn't remember him from as long ago as early December, but then I'm having a hard time getting my head around it that the year is now 2011!  I still remember Y2K crash fears like they were a couple years ago!

I had missed entirely that particular exchange you linked, and I concur with another comment in this subthread that the guy was clueless.  Anyone who doesn't realize 2008 was an expanded map with a lot of different routes to Obama's victory is not a campaign junkie at all.  Indeed, a lot of people, myself included, thought he easily might end up getting elected while losing FL and OH.  The true firewall was in the West, with CO, NV, and NM joining VA as an alternative.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
I promised I'd drop it
But just to be clear, I actually kind of like Webb as a person, I'm just very VERY dissapointed with the way he treats the office of Senator. I think he would make an excellent SecDef, even more so than Ray Mabus (though I love the Mabus idea because it hopefully would mean Gene Taylor as SecNav which would be a godsend).

It's one thing for a guy like former House Intel Committee chair Porter Goss who was only worried about his issues and basically ignored the rest of the duties of his office. Fine he's a congressman, one of 435, not 1 of 100.

Porter Goss by the way once missed a floor vote, while he was on the floor. Just couldn't be bothered to lean forward and put his card in the slot. Amazing.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
BTW
Job Approval and Being a good Senator are not the same thing.  I'm sure there are tons of Senators on both sides who'd electorate adore them who are in fact terrible at their jobs. I've bashed enough elected officials this week so I won't name names, but I bet each of you could think of more than 1 guy who fits that bill.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
One is your opinion
The other is the opinion of the people that actually matter should he choose to run again.

[ Parent ]
Very True
But I think you'd agree that what makes one popular with your states electorate and what makes you good at your job are not necessarily the same thing. Assuming of course you also agree that there is more to being Senator than winning elections.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
In a Democracy
Not really.

[ Parent ]
To me, the concept of constituency service
reminds me of the Russian concept of an apparatchik.

While it does make a difference at the margins of an election, I believe constituency service is perhaps the --least-- relevant qualification.

I'd rather have someone who understands the issues first, agrees with me on the issues second, and is willing to study the issues in more depth third.


[ Parent ]
This conversation is bizarre
Somebody doesn't think Webb does a very good job for his constituents yet a clear plurality of his constituents approve of the job he is doing. I think that says it all.

[ Parent ]
Sorta reminds me of celebrity gossip
especially how some right-wingers overreact to any celebrity with a hint of left of center political leanings.

[ Parent ]
Post-Citizens United, candidate fundraising doesn't really matter anymore.


[ Parent ]
I don't know
if I agree with that. I'd say it probably matters less, but not mattering at all?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
On the contrary, it matters more than ever before......
The key to winning is to control the message.  A candidate can't count on outside forces to put together a winning message, the candidate's own campaign must lead.  And outside groups want candidates to lead where they have the resources to do so in competitive races.

Outside groups will have more influence than in the past, but candidates and campaigns still overwhelm them.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Someone on BlueVA said
that Webb is expected to announce at an event called the "JJ Dinner."  Link: http://www.bluevirginia.us/sho...

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
If he's announcing at the dinner
Then there is no way in hell he's announcing retirement.

[ Parent ]
Well, that's hearsay.
I think that commenter works with a Dem committee and I have no corroboration.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
You wouldn't have thought so
But nothing concrete from what I can tell.

[ Parent ]
Yeah
Just as reliable as the Sec.Def. rumor for now.

[ Parent ]
In reply to LookingOver


[ Parent ]
he won't annouce anything
Until he knows what Obama is going to do after Gates departure, that shoe should drop soon, though Gates may be waiting till the Defense Appropriations are settled.
 

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
If this rumor is so well known
Why has the media not reported it?

[ Parent ]
I've heard several mentions
NJ had a mention a few days ago and lots of VA blogs have mentioned it. Toughest part for reporters is that the WH and DoD won't comment since they don't want to undercut Gates in his last few months.

I'm sure Gates has told Obama when he'll leave, but I'm also sure they number of people with that info can be counted on one hand.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I'm on mobile
I'll pull it up from work tomorrow.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Here's one
http://www.novacommonsense.com...

One other interesting thought, if the vacancy occurs withing 120 days of the next general election the special election would take place until next year.

I doubt the WH really cares if the VASen race is a open seat race in '11 or '12, but why give McDonnell the power over who is VA's junior Senator for an extra 12 months?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Thanks
As I said the other day they should care.

[ Parent ]
Unless the White House really wants Sen. Webb...
I don't see the logic here. Gov. McDonnell has already indicated he won't play ball on appointing Webb's anointed successor, according to a couple people with inside knowledge who have reported back here and elsewhere. I know the consensus is that this Congress isn't going to be able to do anything too partisan, but why give the Republicans an extra senator for any length of time considering there are a slew of other candidates who would be competent Pentagon chiefs? There's Gen. Odierno, Undersecy. Flournoy, Chuck Hagel, Susan Eisenhower, Secy. Shinseki, Joe Sestak, Secy. McHugh, Richard Danzig, John Hamre, Sen. Reed, Director Panetta, Sam Nunn...and none of them would instantly put a 48th Republican in the Senate.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Yup
A Republican appointee in VA gives them an advantage in holding the seat on the same day the GOP probably wins seats in NE and ND. That is 50-50 right there before you even get to MO, MT, FL, MI and any other Dem open seats that may be still to come. Webb may want it and may well retire whatever but the WH would be crazy to play ball.  

[ Parent ]
My most basic point
Is I'm not convinced that Webb, despite being the incumbent, would be the best Dem candidate for '12.

For instance, what chance would the GOP have had in '10 with Voinovich or Bunning or Martinez as their standard bearer in OH, KY & FL? I'd ballpark each of them at around 0% had they run again. Ditto for the Dems in CT where Dodd was dead meat, and I think the LG in Arkansas would have done much better than Lincoln had he won the primary.

Incumbency in and of itself is not Aegis and I could argue (but I won't - this horse is dead) that Perriello, Connolly or Kaine would be better choices than Webb.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Voinovich?
Nah he was safe. I'll give u Bunning but he had awful job approval numbers. Martinez is debatable and so is the Webb versus someone else argument.

[ Parent ]
Isn't debate the point?
I disagree on Voinovich (who would have been teabagged anyway), and I very much disagree on Martinez (whom I worked for at HUD BTW) who had about as much chance (even in the '10 atmosphere) of wining as I do of being miss america.

I think Webb is much better suited for a cabninet post and would do an excellent job, if he isn't willing to campaign the way he should (before you attack me on this, remember how much grief every here gave Feingold for not going "all out" in the opinion of many here), then the best chance of keeping George Allen from returning to the Senate may well be a different candidate. It's not like there aren't other candidates on the Dem bench.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
I'm not attacking you
I am, as you mentioned, debating with you. Though I would remind you that Republican candidates worse than Martinez won last year because of the environment including Rick Scott.

[ Parent ]
Terry Schaivo
Can you imagine the campaign spots pointing out how Martinez' office authored a memo talking up the political advantages of exploiting Terry Schaivo's death? Eeek, it would have been ugly. Add to that he hated fundraising, couldn't stay on message to save his life and had alienated every constituency group, including Cubans.


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Webb to attend?
Politico says Webb isn't confirmed for this dinner, anyone able to confirm?

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
According to Open Secrets,
he's not exactly poor, if the actual amount of his personal wealth is closer to the higher figure than the lower figure. Is there any chance he'd pump some of his own money into the race so that he doesn't have to raise as much money?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Webb said to reporters today he'll decide "before the end of March"
He sounds completely undecided.
DSCC's Murray needs to organize a charm campaign on him to run again (ie calls from Warner, Clinton, Obama etc).
http://blogs.roanoke.com/polit...
   For me today is no different than yesterday when it comes to that issue. I'm having discussions with family to sort out the next step here, whichever way it'll go.
   For us this is an eight-year decision. I need to emphasize that. For a lot of people it's a one- or two-year decision. But really it's about the next eight years of my life and my life with my family.


[ Parent ]
"Dithering" doesn't start till at least June 1st, probably not till September 1st
The election is a lifetime from now.

[ Parent ]
I believe Webb said
that he would decide by the end of the first quarter this year. I have to think that even if he dragged it out until this summer, he'd be giving the candidate more than enough time to get up to speed.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I'm
not sure if it means anything but if you go to his website and click on his facebook link it goes to a "Jim Webb for Senate 2012" page  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  

[ Parent ]
Maybe I have Webb's campaign strategy all wrong
Read this piece from politico

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

I remember a part of Tip O'Neill's "All Politics is Local" where a guy comes in to Tip's office in Boston saing he's running against O'Neill & wants to challenge him to debates.

The Secretary blows him off saying, "no no if anything important was happening it would be on my schedule" they guy goes away crestfallen and no one registers to challenge him for re-election.

Maybe Webb figures if he just ignores Allen as a joke his whole campaign will implode and Webb will coast to victory. Stranger things have happened.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Rahm Emanuel's first campaign promise:
"If elected Mayor of Chicago, I will move here." http://twitter.com/#!/Borowitz...

Yesterday, Adam B on Dkos had a nice front page write-up on how silly the appellate court's "reasoning" was in kicking Emanuel off the ballot: So, why's Rahm off the ballot?


Congrats for finding the most hideous
Twitter wallpaper since Cillizza and The Fix!

[ Parent ]
I found that twitter extremely funny.
Even though Emanuel probably does live in Chicago.

http://mypolitikal.com/

[ Parent ]
How is that possible?
Critz lives all the way in Johnstown which is far from McCandless, where Altmire lives. That would be one horribly drawn district--not to say that Critz's current one is a nice and compact district, but I think it's one that would be hard to draw.

Plus, why not go after both of them? Getting rid of Critz is probably the easiest any GOP legislature could do. Attached Cambria County and some other parts of the current district to the blood red mountain areas, and the R+1 district turns into an R+10 district. Plus, no way he beats an incumbent on that turf, even though Shuster is not especially the strongest in the world.

As for Altmire, it's a little more complicated, but not by much. Throw some more precincts in Westmoreland County, giving Doyle the heavily Democratic parts of Beaver County. Altmire barely survived against a pretty lousy candidate and lost everywhere except Beaver.

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan


Critz could move
He didn't preform very strongly in Cambria County anyways.  

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Mods
Aren't we due a Senate Race Ratings chart? I see the 2010 version went up two years ago today!

I too would love to see this


20, Male, Democrat, CA-44 (home) CA-12 (college)

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VERY close recall race in Omaha
133 out of 284 precincts in and no leads by 2 votes.  Next results expected at 10:15 central time (they seem to be coming in 45 minute intervals).

Good place to follow results: http://livewire.ketv.com/Event...

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



Looks like the mayor will remain in office
It's 51-49 for No with 263 precincts in.

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Hooray!
I was worried about this little one and that it would start a domino effect or something.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
This is what the teabaggers have wrought
You can't govern responsibly, if it means raising taxes to close a budget deficit. They won't even wait until the next election to try and vote you out, they'll use something that's meant for serious offenses in office to get rid of you.

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So is Suttle safe?
I know he was narrowly leading on the night of the recall, but that was without absentees and early votes.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Suttle claimed victory
The final totals were:

Yes  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .    37,198   48.92
No.  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .  .    38,841   51.08

It seems highly unlikely that absentees and early votes would reverse the result.


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Phew.
Still, close enough to fear for the country. Or at least Omaha.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Paul Ryan
What did people think of his response to the state of the union?

Personally, I thought it was pretty meh.  People on the right talk about what a visionary he is.  Frankly, his speech offered nothing new or all that interesting.  Seems like he's over-hyped.


In the interest
of saving myself a few minutes, I'll post what I wrote on another blog:

First, it's incredibly irritating, from both a political and intellectual level, to deal with Ryan using figures in the way he did. Take this line, for instance: ""Since taking office, President Obama has signed into law spending increases of nearly 25% for domestic government agencies - an 84% increase when you include the failed stimulus." I'm sure that isn't simply made up, but it's so horribly skewed that it should make anyone not creating propaganda blush. There's using numbers and percentages to make a point, and then there's this.

Second, why oh why did he have to invoke Greece and the other countries? That's the sort of rhetoric that is bound to do more harm than good.

Third, maybe it's me, but Ryan gives off the aura of a creepy cult leader. I know that isn't a nice thing to say, but I kept on feeling like I was about to be asked to put on a white robe and drink some special punch.

Fourth, while Obama's speech wasn't heavy on details, as a political move, it was good, possibly even great. Just count how many times people refer to his ideas as moderate or centrist in the next few days.

Also, there's this from Sen. Scott Brown: "It wasn't a ra-ra speech but it was balanced and it hit on a lot of good points...As a Republican I'm looking forward to working with him and finding some common ground to move our country forward." Compare that to this from Sen. John Cornyn on Twitter: "In Texas we prefer straight talk and promises kept, over grandiose pledges and zero results." Something tells me someone realizes he might be in for some trouble in 2012.

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Paul Broun
of Georgia wrote on his Twitter feed:

"Mr. President, you don't believe in the Constitution. You believe in socialism."

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


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As much as I would
like for him to confront the Republicans head on--in particular, to use the line "party before country" to refer to what they are doing--he was absolutely right not to do so tonight.

Anyway, for once, possibly perhaps ever, most of the comments on a Politico blog post are spot on. Broun is indeed a moron and an asshole. Maybe he will be ripe for a challenge soon.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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what's sad
is that when he was elected in the special election of 2007, he was considered the "liberal" alternative to the other republican who made the runoff.  I can't tell if he's really like this, or if he's just really overcompensating.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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I don't think Broun was considered more liberal
if anything, what's-his-face was more liberal, but he pissed off all the liberals by taking potshots at Athens.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
It was more than just taking potshots
He made comments to the effect that it would be a good thing if the terrorists bombed the place and the only thing worth saving was the football team.

If someone was making comments like that about my hometown, you'd bet I'd vote for his opponent, regardless of how much of a whacko he was.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08


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Two Things
1) Broun's father was a prominent and long serving Democratic state legislator. He was adamantly pro-choice, and I could be wrong but I think he was fairly liberal overall. That might of had something to do with that label, though....

2) Broun benefited from crossover votes because the district is so red, the Democrat had no shot and also Whitehead said some nasty things about UGA, which made the Athens crowd angry.

Broun had run for office a few times before, and he was not known as a "liberal alternative" by any means.


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The scary thing is that Paul Broun is an MD
You'd think he'd be a little bit brighter.

Although, to be fair I know quite a few smart-stupid people. You know, people who are smart but then assume that they arrogantly know everything. Too smart to know what they don't know.  


[ Parent ]
Too smart to know what they don't know...
...like the definition of "socialism."

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Broun
doubles down:

BROUN: The Republican Party is the party of K-N-O-W. We know how to lower the cost of health care. We know how to take care of the uninsurable. We know how to put patients in charge of their health care and have a market-based, patient centered health care system that's not going to kill jobs like ObamaCare is going to do. And we know how to stimulate the economy. We know how to create jobs in the private sector. We know how to prevent this huge government take over of health care as well as all of society.

But we are the party of N-O against socialism and that's what Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid and Barack Obama have been proposing is a greater take over of everything in human endeavor in America.

http://thinkprogress.org/2011/...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
That's funny.
I seem to remember their party being in control over the government just recently. I wonder why none of this was accomplished then.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
i didn't watch much of ryan's speech
because he just seemed, well, boring (which i categorize a level or two below meh).  anyone else get that feeling?  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
Greece
The reference to Europe was bizarre. He seemed to be saying drastic cuts are necessary now to avoid them later.

[ Parent ]
No one does well in a SOTU response...
It's very difficult to pull off.  But, you are right, Ryan isn't anything special.  He's just a GOP's version of a nerd, which makes him well regarded, but not so exciting on the telly.

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Now that I think about it, I
wonder if that was the point.

I watched a lot of the post-speech coverage on PBS and I think it was Al Hunt who made the very good point that not one spending cut was mentioned. Knowing how the Republicans operate, it wasn't surprising to me, but it's still insane that it's allowed to go on. They've run on this idea of cutting spending for months on end, and a lot of the people who have been pushing it have been in congress for years, but they can't name one thing they'd cut?

The thing is, not everyone is like you and me and follows this stuff regularly. A lot of people probably put the election behind them, so it wouldn't hurt the Republicans to provide a contrast, such as it is, with the Democrats.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I thought Ryan gave a pretty decent response, surely better than Jindal's, at least
FWIW, I didn't think Obama's address was necessarily hot stuff, either. On the whole, it was a pretty underwhelming rhetorical night. (Oh, and Bachmann's response was, no surprise, a flaming travesty.)

For daily political commentary, visit me at http://polibeast.blogspot.com/ and http://twitter.com/polibeast

[ Parent ]
Wow, low bar on that one!


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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I feel the same way about
a lot of these speeches as I do about most of the meals that I eat: they usually end up being fine, but they are nothing special. I guess you say I am usually indifferent. For instance, I didn't think his speech last year was anything special, but I don't think it was bad.

The thing is, I am not the target audience, and you aren't, mostly likely, either. It seems to be playing pretty well in the rest of the country, which is exactly what he should want.

Like others have suggested, the fact that there was less energy in the room made it harder for him to get worked up. His response seemed a little more somber than usual, but that was probably appropriate.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
what about michelle bachman?
did she end the socialistic commune of socialism and social justice that america has become?

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

I dunno about you guys...
But I busted a gut laughing as soon as I saw the Iwo Jima photo behind her. The whole time it was like Crazy Train, and then when that happened, the train just went off the rails completely and crashed down the mountainside.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
Michele
I live in Minnesota.  Michele has the ability to get press and she has the ability to keep moving with her agenda no matter what the facts are.  It seems she is like one of those comic book villians--the more radiation directed at her, the stronger she becomes.  I am certain that the hard right and T-Party folks will love her more no matter how ridiculous her statements are.

[ Parent ]
It's only funny
when you forget that 100,000 people chose her to represent them in the United States Government.  

[ Parent ]
IL-Sen
If this has been previsouly posted, I apologize.  I was one of the people that thought the Illinois Senate race could have been close enough that there'd be a split decision, sending one of the candidates to the Senate for the lame duck, and one for the six years.  It obviously didn't happen, but I found it difficult to get separate results on election night, and I was curious about how close it was:
Special-
Kirk - 1677729 (47.31%)
Alexi- 1641486 (46.29%)
Margin- 36243

General-
Kirk - 1778698 (+100969)(48.01%)
Alexi- 1719478 (+ 77992)(46.42%)
Margin- 59220

While it wasn't really "close" to happening, the Special was 40% closer than the General.  I just found it interesting, and figured a January open thread would be a good time to post.  If the race was even close to MN-Sen '08, I wonder if they would have fought over both races.  Maybe if Franken was going to only win the Special, and wanted the honor of being a Senator for a couple of days, but what if the lame duck had already expired!?  


Curious
I wonder if this has more to do with the standard error rate on ballots though? As we saw in FL in '00 a lot of people just screw up when voting (though apparently not when writing in candidates in Alaska, thank god).

Did a certain percentage not understand that there were two elections and just ignore the special or just not take as much care on a 2 month appointment as they did on the 6 year term?

I wonder if anyone has ever done a serious study on voter interaction with their ballots?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Chicago-Mayor: Congressional Black Caucus to fundraise for Moseley Braun
IA-Pres: House Majority Leader Linda Upmeyer will endorse Gingrich if he runs
From the least favorite D Senate candidate
http://www.bostonherald.com/ne...

Noting she had been re-elected in November and sworn in last week, Coakley quipped that "twice now in the past year, the voters have said they want me to stay as attorney general."



What a crock
Coakley's problem boils down to ego. It always has.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
It sounds like
she was joking, along the lines of a losing congressman saying "My constituents clearly feel I should return to the private sector."

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Martha
stay the fuck away from any other race except attorney general forever please. We don't need you screwing up another governor or senate race in your lifetime. (Plus Massachusetts AG's can't seem to get to higher office like how NYC mayors are cursed to be NYC mayors forever.)

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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FL-25: FL Democrats already recruiting.
In case Rivera has to step down.  Even GOPers are preparing for that possibility.
http://www.politico.com/news/s...


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Unfortunately, the Cuban districts always seem to end up being fools' gold for the Dems
It looked like Mario Diaz-Balart was going down in '08, but he held on, and Rivera actually won pretty comfortably.

Not saying don't contest it, but I wouldn't get my hopes up.


[ Parent ]
Curious
When do new districts take effect?  Is it possible if he steps down next eyar that a special election would be held in a newly configured district, or do new districts only take effect during regularly scheduled elections?

[ Parent ]
Old
The old districts stay in effect until there are new ones. Once the new map is law they would be the district used for any special election.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Strong numbers for Capito and Tomblin
I have a hard time believing any other GOP would beat Tomblin in '11 and she sounds adamant about not running in a special.

Can anyone think of a tactical reason for her to pass on the special but then run in the regular general election in '12? She might assume having Obama atop the ballot would help her, but I have a tough time believing anyone would bank on that (no matter their state's electoral history) without knowing who the GOP nominee will be. Anyway that would explain why she might want to be ont the ballot in '12, but not why she wouldn't want a "free shot" at Governor in '11 (ie not risking her house seat).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
Gov. Christie will run for president
if the prediction of this slobbering, sloppy wet kiss of an opinion piece comes true. Seriously, what a piece of junk. The ridiculous assertion that Obama is responsible for tripling the national debt is probably the least outrageous part of Noemie Emery's column.

http://washingtonexaminer.com/...

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


I think I threw up in my mouth a little
while reading that junk.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
Fat jokes and Springsteen references in my Chris Christie-boosting editorial?
It's more likely than you think!

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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