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SSP Daily Digest: 1/11

by: Crisitunity

Tue Jan 11, 2011 at 4:35 PM EST


ME-Sen: The attempt to primary out Olympia Snowe by the state's various fractious Tea Party factions seems to be sputtering, partly for lack of a credible challenger to rally around (with Some Dude Scott D'Ambroise the only one officially in the race right now) but also as the various Judean People's Front and People's Front of Judea wings of the 'baggers start to increasingly turn their fire on each other rather than on Democrats and alleged RINOs.

MI-Sen: Joining a major law firm after an electoral loss isn't, in itself, dispositive of future political runs a few years down the line. But observers are taking the decision by former AG Mike Cox (who lost last year's GOP gubernatorial primary) to join a Detroit law firm as an indicator that he isn't considering the 2012 Senate race.

MO-Sen: There are increasing signals that Jim Talent may not run for Senate in 2012, after all. Dave Catanese talks to various Show Me State insiders who say that Talent hasn't been doing the behind-the-scenes reaching-out that one usually does at this point, and they point to him not only having got caught off guard by Sarah Steelman's abrupt early entry into the primary but also his close relationship with Mitt Romney. Talent is currently traveling with Romney in an advisory role in Afghanistan, and there's speculation his 2012 plans may involve hitching his wagon to Romney in the hopes that he's the next President and that a Cabinet role (SecDef?) may be in the offing.

OH-Sen: With Mike DeWine having passed on a rematch against Sherrod Brown, the speculation has turned to newly-elected Lt. Gov. and former Auditor Mary Taylor. It sounds like she's game; local insiders are saying she's at "90%" in terms of likelihood of running. She may not have the field to herself even if she does, though; another newly-elected statewide GOPer, 33-year-old state Treasurer Josh Mandel has been impressing the local GOP in his first week on the job and is starting to attract some buzz for a quick promotion.

WY-Sen: Wyoming promises to be the least dramatic state in the 2012 election, so PPP's decision to poll here this early seems a little odd. At any rate, they find Wyomingites love their politicians: outgoing Dem Gov. Dave Freudenthal gets a 71/18 approval, making him the nation's most popular governor, while the state's two GOP Senators, John Barrasso (69/25) and Mike Enzi (63/24) are the nation's two most popular Senators. Despite his popularity (and, well, despite the fact that he's never expressed any interest in running for federal office), Freudenthal loses a hypothetical 2012 matchup against Barrasso, 56-36, thanks to the GOP's huge registration advantage here.

RI-Gov: There's already one Dem reportedly gearing up for the 2014 Governor's race: state Treasurer Gina Raimondo, who's build a war chest and getting friendly with DC consultants. (Alternatively, she could also be running for Senate in 2014 instead, if Jack Reed isn't running again.) No mention of whether she'd be challenging new indie Gov. Lincoln Chafee (last seen more or less declaring war on local talk radio) from the left or the right (as Frank Caprio tried to do, and failed).

FL-14: With Rep. Connie Mack IV looking like one of the House's likeliest retirements right now (in order to pursue a Senate bid against Bill Nelson), speculation has already begun about who'll fill his seat. One thing is pretty predictable, given the Fort Myers-area district's R+11 bent and lack of any Dem tradition or bench: it'll be a Republican. GOP names to watch include ex-state Rep. Dudley Goodlette and Lee Co. Commissioner Ray Judah. The most prominent name, though, may be former Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp (though he might have trouble getting out of a GOP primary unless he can find a way to wash the stank of the Charlie Crist administration off his suit). State Sen. Garrett Richter (whose district closely overlaps the 14th) says no thanks to the race.

HI-01: GOP ex-Rep. Charles Djou, seeming a bit testy after the abrupt end to his very short tenure in the House, seems to have thrown all that feel-good ohana crap out the window in his exit press conference, blaming Dem successor Colleen Hanabusa in advance for expected future failures. He may feel free to speak his mind as he also says he has "no plans to run for any political office ever again."

NM-01: Rep. Martin Heinrich has already drawn some seemingly-credible Republican opposition for 2012, although he has the kind of district that seems much safer for a Dem in a presidential year than last year's narrow win. Republican Albuquerque city councilor Dan Lewis has formed an exploratory committee.

State legislatures: Two state House speaker elections are in the news today. The big one may be in Texas, where an expected coup from the right against GOP speaker Joe Straus didn't ever seem to materialize. He got the support of 70 of 100 GOP House members in a pre-vote caucus, and then was easily elected to another term by the whole House. Meanwhile, in Oregon, an unusual power-sharing arrangement was cobbled together with a surprising degree of civility and equanimity, as the parties figure out how to grapple with a never-before 30-30 tie. GOPer Bruce Hanna and Dem Arnie Roblan will be co-speakers, handing the gavel to each other on alternating days.

Special elections: Two southern states have special elections scheduled today, although there should be very little drama in any of the elections, as these are Republican-leaning districts replacing promoted Republican legislators in lightly-contested races (and icy conditions should reduce turnout to microscopic levels). In Mississippi, the races are to replace Alan Nunnelee in SD-6 and Steven Palazzo in HD-116. (With a recent party switch by state Sen. Cindy Hyde-Smith, the GOP is poised to tie the state Senate with today's election.) In Virginia, the races are to replace Robert Hurt in SD-19 and Morgan Griffith in HD-8.

Primaries: In a nice bit of symmetry, two states are going in very different directions with their primary election rules. In Idaho, where the GOP seems fearful of meddling in its primaries by the state's Democrat (I think his name is Jerry), the state GOP is pushing to change from open primaries to closed primaries. Meanwhile, in Louisiana, after a period of closed primaries for federal-level offices (which was extremely confusing, since they kept using open primaries for state offices), they're expecting federal approval of a switch back to all open primaries this month. The state legislature has already approved it, but as a VRA state, they're waiting for DOJ preclearance.

Redistricting: Finally, here's some redistricting news. Bob McDonnell has thrown a bone to fans of redistricting reform with the creation of a new redistricting commission with 11 members. It's not a very interesting bone, though, since the commission's role is purely advisory and the commission doesn't even have a budget. Meanwhile, the Hill looks at what might happen to the House districts in New Jersey, a state where the hard work is actually done by commission (which has traditionally focused on incumbent protection, but has to eliminate one seat this year). For now, everyone is waiting for more complete Census figures to see if the population stagnation was more concentrated in the state's north (which would probably hit the Dems) or the state's middle (which would hit the GOP).

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As
much as I love Bernie Sanders, sharing your thoughts about what happened in Arizona and at the same time asking for donations is not a smart move.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


State of the Nation Poll is back!
Kos has brought back the State of the Nation poll, this time done by PPP. Very happy about this - always enjoyed the old state of nation poll - it was probably the biggest disappointment of the R2K scandal for bringing it back.

The first results aren't too good, but I firmly believe it will get better. (and actually the approval/disapproval ratings for Dems are pretty close to the mark)

Anyway, don't know if he ever reads SSP, but thanks to Kos for bringing it back (I'm sure DavidNYC can pass on my good wishes if he doesn't).

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...


sorry, meant to say biggest disappointments of the R2K scandal that we lost it
n/t

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And also meant to say approval/disapproval ratings for Dems AND Reps
I'll try to take more time on my posts. Ugh.  

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Very depressing numbers, and the only silver lining is...
...this is the worst poll for Obama and Dems in quite awhile, and considerably worse than PPP's own recent state-level polls.

Even Rasmussen today had Obama's job approval at 49-51, and they've had him no worse than 48 approval for quite a few days in a row now.

Gallup has had Obama's job approval in positive territory for all but a day or two this month, and 49-43 today.

So today's 45-51 in PPP is a downer.

A couple things about the sample, neither of which proves anything.  First, the sample is only 12% liberal compared to 51% moderate, both of which are way off from what exit polls and other polling always says.  In reality liberals orbit 20% ("orbit" meaning give or take a few points), while moderates normally are in the 40s.  That they have conservatives at 51% makes sense.  But on the flip side they've got a mere 70% white sample, which is a bit low.  Yes the nonwhite vote share is in linear growth, but it went from 23% to 26% per exit polls from 2004 to 2008, and it seems a stretch that it would climb to 30% so quickly.  This actually contradicts the ideological breakdown, as whites are much more conservative than minorities, so it's a curious contradiction.

One more thing, the polling explanation makes clear they used registration-based sampling (RBS).  That's very uncommon, most polling is done with random digit dialing (RDD).  SUSA used RBS at least for its discreted VA-05 polling last year, and it skewed Republican.  One commenter here asserted that RBS is poor methodology because the voter lists available to draw from are out-of-date and miss voters who skew Democratic.  I have no idea if the argument has merit, but no doubt SUSA blew it in VA-05 all the way through.

One last thing, I don't buy the numbers at all for "comprehensive immigration reform."  The description of comprehensive immigration reform is skewed in a way that would make anti-immigration respondents happy, and it's simply not an honest picture of what the political debate looks like.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Typo in second paragraph......
I should have proofread.

Where I said "That they have conservatives at 51% makes sense," that should have been 37%, not 51%.  And yes it makes sense, it's within the range polling normally shows over many years now.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Agree on immigration
The question wording is very poor. Though I don't think a 45% approval rating is incompatible with their state polling. 50 in NV, 51 in NJ, 46 in PA, 46 in NC, 45 in FL. Similar ballpark.

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Well, let DKos take a little reality pill


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Your analysis suggests a simple explanation:
its an outlier.

BTW, I don't really understand why Kos is doing polling again. The only way it would be useful if he could provide a kind of liberal Rasmussen. Otherwise, its kind of useless.

WA-07, 34 years old


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I really think he wanted to be the liberal Rasmussen
and he got burned.

Rasmussen has, or had in the last cycle, been a trend setter. If he showed a Republican leading or Democrat struggling in a district or state where people would be surprised s/he was leading or struggling, it created a narrative, it helped that GOP candidate fund raise.

I think kos tried to do that, especially with Halter in Arkansas, and R2000 did what it did to try and keep a client happy.  


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It's a way of drawing eyeballs to the site...
And if Dem fortunes improve, hopefully helping to shape the political narrative.

I think the real question isn't whether Kos wanted to be the "liberal Rasmussen" - he obviously just wanted a pollster who could deliver results. But R2K probably wanted that title, and was willing to tweak its results to get it. I don't think you can blame Kos for what R2K did - he had no reason to know the pollster was a shyster.  


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Markos does NOT want to be a "liberal Rasmussen," just the opposite...
...he is looking for a sharp contrast to Rasmussen in the form of transparent and honest polling.  Markos makes a HUGE deal out of transparency, he did with R2K and now even more so by going a step further on raw data.

And yes it's to draw more eyeballs to the site, but that's the angle he's pursuing, contrast to Rasmussen, not liberal parallel.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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At the moment
I'm just enjoying PPP flooding the zone. Makes a nice change!

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Bravo to my home state of Oregon
Sure, Arnie Roblan (the Democratic half of the co-Speaker of the House power-sharing arrangement) may have ended his first speech of the new session with "may the Force be with all of us", but that's forgivable.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

Heh I think thats better the
the cheezy god bless Oregon haha allthough he was obviously caving to the swing star wars segment of voters.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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The redistricting of Oregon can be very interesting too

Do you know the process?

I read what if the state legislature fail drawing a map the issue goes to the Secretary of State (democrat).

http://www.statesmanjournal.co...

I would like to see a 5-0 map for Oregon. But still I'm not sure if the republicans can block it in the State House.


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5-0 might be a dummymander.
Has the east side of OR been where pop. has stagnated the most?  Also, they would be much wiser to shore up all 4 Dems to avoid future scares like Schrader (who is in a D+1 district).

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Is that even possible?
Has anyone drawn a map that would be able to oust Walden? If so, I'd be interested in seeing it

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

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5-0
You could probably draw a really abusive map with 5 D+X districts that all radiate out from Portland and take in areas east of the Cascades, but it would be a dummymander subject to going 5-0 red in a big Reep wave year. The state as a whole is only D+4. (If not for the VRA, you could probably draw 18 D+X districts in Illinois that all radiate out from Chicago.)

41, Ind, CA-05

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mm

Very difficult to see a 5-0 red in D+4 districts (57% Obama). The current OR-04 and OR-05 are D+2 and D+1 and the democrats win both even in a republican wave year. Then D+4 seats would be safer than the current D+2 and D+1.

I think it is in the limits for safe seats but can work in a state like Oregon. Like you see in my bids for other states like Iowa I want not always to leave in 0 to the republicans, only where I think they are enough strength for it.

What would be the interest of keep safe G Walden? No-one. If the republicans can not stop it in the state house he should run the next time in a D+4 district.


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Based on a 5-0 map where everything is D+4
In a hypothetical midterm of a Hillary administration, assuming a working-class agenda that's relatively unfriendly to the educated and less religious,

I could see several OR districts turning red.

In addition, I believe some level of "communities of interest" make for better representation of the diversity of the US.  


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several, well

We see LA-02 becoming red, HI-01 becoming red, but if the people work well these would be enough safe.

Still a republican or maybe two, two years, in a D+4 seat is less bad than a republican for the entire life in a R+10 district (like is now).


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Can't be done...
As far as I know. 5-0 is just a bridge too far.

Besides, state law prohibits splitting up communities of interest for political reasons.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native


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Yeah.
OR isn't MD.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Also, partisanship can't be taken into account when drawing the map.


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Just Oregon has one of the more pro-republican maps in all the bluest states.

I create the RGR (Republican Gerrymander Redistricting) rate for try see what states have worse redistricting for democrats. In a 0.000-1.000 scale with 1.000 as absolute republican gerrymander redistricting:

RGR=0.487 D+05 Michigan
RGR=0.369 D+07 New Jersey
RGR=0.368 D+09 Illinois
RGR=0.360 D+08 California
RGR=0.325 D+03 Minnesota
RGR=0.300 D+04 Oregon
RGR=0.259 D+12 New York
RGR=0.250 D+03 Wisconsin
RGR=0.250 D+09 Maryland
RGR=0.247 D+02 Pennsylvania
RGR=0.222 D+04 Washington
RGR=0.133 D+02 Nevada
RGR=0.100 D+06 Maine
RGR=0.086 D+00 Colorado
RGR=0.060 D+07 Connecticut
RGR=0.033 D+02 New Mexico
RGR=0.000 D+01 Iowa
RGR=0.000 D+01 New Hampshire
RGR=0.000 D+12 Massachusetts
RGR=0.000 D+07 Delaware
RGR=0.000 D+11 Rhode Island
RGR=0.000 D+13 Hawaii
RGR=0.000 D+13 Vermont


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What is RGR?
It's a new concept to me.

And if it's as you say, Ds at 4-1 do pretty well with it. Why rock the boat? (Why risk perhaps 3 D seats for the possibility of winning 1 more?)


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it is a rate what I create for try to see the deviation of the current maps in favour of the republicans since a numeric point

It is not something what you can find in other places.

It give me these results.


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Please tell me what can not be split

This law seems favoring to the republicans.

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It's "Gina" Raimondo in RI
Not Lisa. But I'll bet she thinks Gov. Raimondo or Sen. Raimondo will do just fine. :)

Yeah, I was about to say
the article also mentions that she might go for the Senate in 2014 if Jack Reed isn't around. If that option is open to her it certainly seems easier than going against Chafee (although that depends on how popular he is), especially because she strikes me as pretty liberal.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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FL-14
is all the more interesting because it will probably be two open seats in 2012 rather than one. Does anyone know how much pull the potential candidates have with the legislature? There is considerable leeway to create two tailor-made seats for whoever the legislature favors.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

Kottkamp
Fmr. Lt. Gov. Jeff Kottkamp is done politically. He has allegations of using the state's jets way too often and for non governmental purposes (Kenny Loggins concerts). He is like a lot of Florida Republican office holders of the past decade; experienced in the private sector but with flaws. Since its inevitable Republicans win in the districts they draw its all establishment even with the Tea Party.

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Idaho
"In Idaho, where the GOP seems fearful of meddling in its primaries by the state's Democrat (I think his name is Jerry)..."

His name is Walt. Come on, the election wasn't that long ago.

41, Ind, CA-05


There
are Democrats in Idaho. sarcasm

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Absolutely there are
Their names are Larry, Cecil, and Walt. :)

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


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Talent as Romney's Secretary of Defense?
That seems a weird fit, even if he did represent one of the Boening states. Given what he was most active on in Congress I'd think he'd be more interested in CoS, AG, or an economic job (or, of course, Veep). Have to think him skipping the race (should that happen) is helpful to the Democrats.

What's
so special about Talent? I know he endorsed Romney but I don't see how that makes him SoD material.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Is there
any chance that Freudenthal would challenge Cynthia Loomis, Wyoming's Representative? If so, would he be any more successful in this race than if he were to challenge Barrasso?

OH-Sen: Is there any chance of these guys beating the crap out of each other in a primary? And does either Taylor or Mandel have any sort of geographic advantage like Brown supposedly has?

HI-01: This would amusing if it weren't so pathetic. Which party is likely to be a stick in the mud when it comes to infrastructure investment? Here's a hint: it's not the one Hanabusa belongs to.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


WY-AL
In small states it sorta doesn't appear to matter too much what they run statewide for. If its a state government race they represent the Democratic Party of their state, if its a federal race they represent the national Democratic Party. Something a bit untenable for a popular red-state Democrat to put himself up as a sacrificial lamb, maybe getting 45% in a good year.
Barbara Cubin was a bad candidate and stepped down after under performing, thus the possibility that the At-Large district looked winnable.

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Freudenthal might have been able to make a go of it in '08
before Barasso got firmly established. But he would have had to face the odd question of running against a guy he had just appointed.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

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I think
he had to pick one of the three people the state Republicans gave him.

That's a pretty big deficit to make up. I wonder, though, whether those numbers would move at all if Freudenthal started campaigning against Barrasso.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I know he only had 3 options, but it still would've been awkward.
I just feel like the question "why did you pick him if you think he's a bad senator" would be a tough one for DF to answer. I don't think that would have been anywhere near impossible for him to get around, but it would've been an extra hurdle for him to jump over.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)

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He
could have said he'd appoint whoever promised not to run in the special. Or he could have done what I wanted him to do and run for the CD. He would have won that I think and could have even held on this year.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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OH-Sen
Both Mandel and Taylor are from NE Ohio, Mandel from suburban Cuyahoga and Taylor from the Akron area. I don't know how brutal the two would be to each other in a primary, but obviously it's better for Brown if his opponent doesn't run unopposed.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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Does
that mean that they have some sort of advantage like Brown because of his rural connections? That's what I was trying to ask.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I think Mandel
Is a tough campaigner, and he would probably go nuclear on Taylor. He'd probably outraise her big time too.  

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Giffords
Unrelated, but Giffords is already moving her arms! She's like Bruce Willis' character in "Unbreakable".

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

41, Ind, CA-05


Amazing
If she recovers well enough to return to Congress, she and Jackie Speier can form the Congressional Badass Caucus.

22, Democrat, AZ-01
Peace. Love. Gabby.


[ Parent ]
Random thought of the day.
Crist running  for Governor on the Dem side in 2014. I think thats likely to play out anyone else from Florida think its possible? I know hes joining a law firm but honestly M&M might be one of the few law firms that has a good reputation in central FLA. I don't think its a negative and also it's 4 years out so he could leave after 2 years or so.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

There
was a suggestion being floated that Obama would appoint him as vice president on the ticket for 2012 in order to attract centrist and right-leaning voters. That was smacked down for how ridiculous it was.

But him running for governor? I'm not sure how likely that is, but it seems less ridiculous that what I just described. Still, while I don't know how deep the bench is in the state, it'd probably have to be pretty damn thin before he'd be considered.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Virginia special election results
Senate results here, House results here.

No surprise that the Republicans are winning these, but Democrats did at least field a decent candidate for the Senate seat.


Trying to decide...
Which is a better surname: Habeeb or Mumpower.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

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All I really care about is...
...finding a way to hold the state Senate this fall, and beating Comstock in the HD-34.  Those 2 things, plus the standard Dem victories in Fairfax County, will make me happy.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Is Comstock a real idiot?
nt

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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She's very conservative, in a district with a clear Dem lean......
I won't impugn her intellect or whatnot because I don't know much about her personally.

But she unquestionably is VERY conservative and a clearly bad fit for HD-34, which votes mostly Democrat.  It's not that liberal a district,  but it voted for Kerry and Obama, for all the Dem statewides in 2005, and against the gay marriage ban that year.  Even in last year's disaster Steve Shannon for A.G. carried it, while Wagner lost L.G. by just 3 and even Deeds lost by just 7.

But Comstock is as conservative as anyone in a downstate rural district.

The one thing is that she is a workhorse, she knows she's in seat that's an extremely tough hold for her, and that she won last time only because of McDonnell coattails and Deeds being such a disaster.  So she's not an easy out.  We need a good candidate.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Good luck
I feel for you. I'm in Old Town Alexandria and I very likely only have to worry about which Democrat replaces Patsy Ticer who is likely to retire.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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I think redistricting will kill Comstock
HD-34 is about 11% below target (the 2nd most below target in NoVA), while the districts just across the LouCo line are wayy above pop target. It seems like the natural thing to do would be to expand 34 across the Loudoun border into Sterling a little, which would probably take out Comstock as Sterling is one of the most Democratic areas of Loudoun and Comstock only won by a couple hundred votes last time.

Male, VA-08

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Thanks, I didn't realize that about the census results. The only way to save Comstock...
...as I understand it is to take Republican voters away from another more senior Republican Delegate's (Hurt's?) district, which would endanger that Republican.

And they won't do that, seniority will prevail.

Absent that, Comstock gets stuck with more Democrats.

But she is a workhorse as I said before, and absent an anti-GOP wave it still will require a good candidate to beat her.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Er, by "Hurt" I meant "Rust." VA-05 too much on the brain the past year! (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
There are a few precincts in Loudoun that could be added that wouldn't hurt Comstock too much
The Lowes Island/Sugarland precincts are pretty much 50/50.

Also, state legislative districts don't have to be as even in population as Congressional districts do. I believe there's usually a 5-10% variance that's allowed, as long as the variances aren't based on disadvantaging a protected class.


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MN-08
The presumptive front-runner for the DFL nod in MN-08, Tony Sertich, looks like he won't be running.

http://www.minnesotabrown.com/...

St. Paul- Governor Mark Dayton today announced the appointment of Representative Tony Sertich as Commissioner of the Iron Range Resources and Rehabilitation Board (IRRRB). Sertich, who hails from Chisholm, will lead the Board in its important mission to diversify the economy of the Iron Range. Representative Sertich was the youngest Majority Leader in Minnesota's history.  A fourth generation Iron Ranger, Sertich is a member of both the Hibbing and Chisholm Chambers of Commerce, and was previously the Business Manager for Longyear, Inc.

I doubt he would have taken the IRRRB job if he planned to run for Congress. The State House is a much easier place from which to run.

One person who is interested in a run is Al Franken staffer Daniel Fanning.

http://www.minnpost.com/maryla...

Democrats I've spoken with are interested in Sen. Al Franken staffer Daniel Fanning.  The Iraqi War veteran attended Gov. Dayton's inaugural ball this weekend and told me he is considering a run against Congressman Chip Cravaack.


"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

that's really bad
we'll see what OGGoldy has to say, but if Cravaack's moderate enough, he could hold on

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

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This is quite shocking
I will be making phone calls to some people that still know what's going on, but as of yet, I have not. Fortunately the Iron Range is insanely deep in terms of bench. There are a lot of old timers in the legislature (Including my old boss), but there are some of the younger generation. Tony Loury isn't all that old. Lt. Governor Prettner-Solon's replacement in the senate quite young, but he is a newly elected Senator, and only did two years in the House before moving up. Now I am wondering if Mayor Don Ness (Duluth) is looking for a promotion. I have no idea who this Fanning fellow is, but a Franken associate might not be the best for the Iron Range, as he underperformed Obama by a wide margin up there on the same ballot. A Dayton associate, or better yet, a local official would be better, IMO.

On a personal note, I am very disappointed that Sertich will not be the next congressman from MN-8, but with a brand new wife at home, I understand. He is young, and has a future in politics if he wants it.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
What
about Lt. Governor Prettner-Solon?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
She will be 66 in 2012
Probably a little to old to make your first run for Congress.  

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

[ Parent ]
Not
necessarily. I can think of some. Wilson this year and Griffith last Congress. I'm sure there are more, that's just off the top of my head. Your probably right that she won't want to leave her new job so quick though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Diane Watson in 2000


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New Democrat!


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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Doubt it
as MinnesotaMike said, she is not a spring chicken, and her Lt. Governor stint is probably her crowning achievement en route to retirement in either 2014 or 2018. I don't see her leaving her job to become a freshman congresswoman. Although she wouldn't have to give up her day job, even if it isn't a job that requires a whole lot of work, to run.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
Would being a Franken staffer really matter that much???......
I tend to dismiss resume-based associations as a factor in voting behavior.  Much like my dismissal of the effect of Mitch Daniels' ties to Dubya if Daniels is the GOP Prez nominee, I tend to think as a rule voters don't hold it against a candidate for past employment with someone voters might not like.  I think voters form separate opinions of candidates themselves.

But I can imagine is Franken is truly disliked, and Fanning has such close ties that it's easy to morph them, then it could hurt.

But is Franken really still so disliked?  He's worked hard on being a good Senator.  The only controversy he's been involved in that I know of was when he got into an argument with T. Boone Pickett at a Senators' meeting with him on energy policy.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
He
mocked Mitch McConnell on the Senate floor.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I
agree with your overall point though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Really? When?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
During
the Kagen nomination. See my link below.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Thanks, now that you mention it I have a vague recollection, but very vague......
Can you refresh us on what the details were?

In any case, these two things are not the sort of things ordinary voters care about.  I think if Franken has an image problem, it's left over from before he got elected.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Here is a link
Not too bad but not good.

http://thehill.com/homenews/se...

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


[ Parent ]
He also had that confrontation with Lieberman
It was amusing, but hardly senatorial. Minnesota has a fetish for cycling out senators every 6 years or so. I think Klobuchar will beat that streak, but I am not sure Franken would be so lucky running for reelection. And to your point, general election voters probably don't care. But the caucus goers and primary voters (Yes, Minnesota has both) that pick the candidates would be more likely to care.  

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
You obviously
know your state better than I do, but as long as those are things of the past, are they likely to sink him? Even if it was viewed in the state as far worse than I imagine it would be, he has a long time to make up for it.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
He does
And he does have advantages of incumbency, name recognition, friendly political lean of the state and all that jazz. Predicting 1 year ahead is dangers in politics, and 4 years is stupid. He very well could win reelection, but he certainly has work to do to be taken serious. That is the general consensus with him is that his is amateurish, and not a serious senator. Those scuffles reinforced that ideas. Can he make up for those things? Absolutely. Will he? Who knows. Get back to me in late 2013 and we may know more.

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
I wonder
what the response of his Democratic colleagues was. Hopefully, there's someone telling him that he's not doing himself any favors by acting like that in the chamber.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I think "cycling out" is misleading and not quite accurate......
First, Wellstone won reelection, and that's the same seat Franken holds, so there's already a precedent for an incumbent winning.

Second, Grams winning and then losing reflected not any cycle in Minnesota, but rather the sporadic national occurrence of a wave election sweeping into office some people who can't win in a normal year, followed by those same people getting swept out in a normal year.  That's why the 1980 GOP landslide was followed by Dems taking back the Senate in 1986, and why the 1994 GOP wave was followed by Dems picking up 6 GOP-held seats, 5 net since one Dem-held seat went GOP, in 2000.  Grams was part of that 1994-2000 swing.

Third, before Grams and Wellstone won in the early 90s, Boschwitz and Durenberger both had been able to win reelection.

Minnesota doesn't have a pattern of incumbents having frequent party switches in top offices as one sees in PA-Gov or NC-Sen.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Which one, where he objected to Lieberman making more remarks as acting president?
If that's what you're talking about, I can't imagine anyone except for absolute political junkies (who already have their minds made up anyways) will give a damn about it. Hell, Franken was acting under orders from leadership to keep the HCR bill on track, it was the same thing that Begich did.

To your second point, who's going to challenge Franken in a primary or caucus in the first place? Franken's challengers in 2008 weren't exactly top notch, and that was when Al Franken was a comedian. Why anyone of any stature challenge him now?

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Special Election Date
Representative Sertich will resign his House Seat on Thursday, January 13th. Governor Dayton will call a special election, as statute requires, and the special primary will occur on February 1st and the special election will be held on February 15th.

This should be safe Dem territory but weird things can happen in special elections.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan


Damn
Should have been a reply to my above post.

"Where free Unions and collective bargaining is forbidden, freedom is lost." - Ronald Reagan

[ Parent ]
Special elections can be weird
But I may very well have a coronary if a Republican comes within 20 points here. knock on wood

26 White Male. Born and raised in MN-8, currently living in MN-5.

"A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything."


[ Parent ]
...
ME-Sen: Any tea-bagger will do, as Christine O'Donnell and Sharon Angle have shown.
OH-Sen: Go to Mandel's Wiki page and try to tell me he doesnt look like a wax figure in that picture.

They changed it recently
It used to be a normal pic. Now, he looks like wax.  

[ Parent ]
Just Curious
Whatever happened to Ryan in DelCo? Was he banned for good? What was his final offense?

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem

he went
WAY into policy. i think he had a big argument too.  i don't remember with who.

but he's certainly gone.  him and NewMex9999

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)


[ Parent ]
Ya, I had an argument with him about unemployment benifits
and he said some nasty stuff about the Democratic leadership, I think.

BTW(unrelated), Just something I came across, PPP pegged Christie's approval rating at 48-45, which I guess is fine but the level of hype he's getting, that seems rather low, especially since it'll probably go down farther the more cuts he has to make. Christie,I think, is the most overrated candidate of the cycle. He also loses NJ to Obama pretty badly, so he  brings nothing to the table.


[ Parent ]
I wonder
how much Christie's standing would be improved if he fashioned a compromise that actually satisfied all sides, or at least made them all not particularly unhappy. If he, you know, actually governed to improve the state, then'd be seriously competitive if he wanted to run for president. Maybe someone that knows New Jersey politics better than me can tell me otherwise, but his strategy seems to be bashing those that are influenced by state spending, then something, to be followed by victory--in other words, something resembling the Underpants Gnomes from "South Park."  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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It is New Jersey
And Christie is not governing like he wants to be Governor of New Jersey. He's governing like he wants to be president. There is a well-worn path for successful New Jersey Republican governors - that followed by Kean and Whitman. Christie is not following it, and has really been creating enemies needlessly in the interest of elevating his national brand and making himself a more attractive national contender. It's for that reason that I think he is very unlikely to win re-election, and might even forgo a 2013 campaign to focus on 2016.

When you consider all that with the fact that Generic R approval in NJ is probably in the low 40s, 48% approval seems surprisingly high to me.

Moderate Libertarian Republican, MA-8 (college) / MD-7 (hometown)


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actually on the low end...
He's 53/36 in the new FDU poll.  I disagree about the way he's governing though.  He doesn't throw Red Meat to the kook base, even when he can.  He endorsed Castle and said that "Delaware lost a chance to have a great Senator..." on MTP.  Plus he's very quiet on national issues, and when he speaks, he's not a 100% Conservative.  He supports a path to citizenship for undocumented Americans and more gun control.  He didn't want Palin near him, and he wouldn't campaign for R candidates in the "South".  As a Democrat, I'm not a fan of him, but his decisions seem to be those of someone who wants to be Governor, and not someone that wants to run in a Republican Primary.  It's hilarious that Rush and his ilk love his Teacher's Union and State Worker rhetoric and show it as proof of some kind of super-Conservative.  I just think he's doing that because that's what Republicans in NJ want to hear, and what he thinks he needs to do to save the state.  He has an obnoxious, in your face attitude, but I don't think that means he wants to be President any time soon.

[ Parent ]
He could
also be a smart enough person to know that he has to show some sort of results before he can be taken seriously.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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McDonnell's commission is a joke
Had he any real interest in nonpartisan or bipartisan redistricting, he could have said or done something about it last year. Now that it's too late to actually change the system, he creates a sham commission that won't have any effect on the final result.

Correct, but I don't fault him for it. Why would he do anything more...
...than that?  Partisan redistricting is the norm.  McDonnell is a smart politician, he knows how to control his public image and look less conservative than he really is.  That's not a crime, it's a lesson plan for anyone running for office who doesn't perfectly fit their electorate.  So this is yet one more bit of window dressing by McDonnell.

Chuck Todd fell for it if his Twitter post on it was any indication.  He referred to McDonnell creating this redistricting commission seemingly buying it as substantive, and I replied to his tweet that it's purely advisory, and what matters is how the state legislative chambers react to it.  This commission is supposed to offer its own maps, but we'll see if that really happens, and if its maps are anything but buried.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Nonpartisan is not the same as Bipartisan
Bipartisan usually means incumbent protection deals.

[ Parent ]
Eh if we end up with 8-3 GOP
redistricting after Obama carried the state by 7 then Virginia will almost be as bad as Florida is today almost.  

CO-02 (college)/FL-15 (home).  

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Vicky Kennedy not running
http://www.politico.com/blogs/...

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem

Someone
needs to push Marty Meehan.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
The most important thing will be a clear field
Give the Democratic machine in MA eighteen months of all-out attack on Scott Brown and it'll do wonders.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Will they start to do that in a couple of months?
They need to hit the ground running.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I would imagine now
it's more subtle than anything else. They'll drop a comment or two in the media, but they won't launch attack ads. I'm about as obsessed a person with the horse race and other political things as you'll find, but even I don't want to see attack ads right now.

I hope they are, however, keeping a close eye on what he's doing and making sure that any sort of outrageous votes are brought back to haunt him.

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
That's What I'm Afraid Of
Voters hate the machine. It's part of the reason Massachusetts ended up with Scott Brown in the first place. This is just the first time since that voters were annoyed enough with the machine that they decided that voting Republican to DC was preferable to sending the next hack in line to the U.S. Senate.  

Deval Patrick won in large part because he appeared to represent something fundamentally different from the usual Beacon Hill cliques.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


[ Parent ]
Martha Coakley is a hack?
I can understand her being a bad campaigner, but I have seen nothing from her to be labeled a hack. She was just reelected Attorney General.  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
so, what now?
i imagine this adds a whole lot of air to the primary field as she was the frontrunner.  who gets her support?  marty meehan, who i think was in second?  deval patrick who is probably the best known, least liked potential candidate, who won't run and has a last name for a first name and first name for a last name?  barney frank, who's also well known, probably won't run and if he did is an almost sure fire loser?  is there anyone else thinking of running?

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
best bet...
I think Brown is favored in this race, but to win, we need to nominate someone who won't make any mistakes or say anything stupid.  The race has to be like Whitehouse v. Chafee.  Just go around meeting as many people as possible, and reminding them you will not vote to support Republicans on a national level.  Barney Frank and Deval Patrick (not running) are both unnecessarily polarizing.  They will both bring very little to the D column while scaring away Indies.  Find someone squeaky clean with no record of raising taxes or cheating on their spouse and let them smile and wave.  I think an all out attack on Brown will backfire, and the best way to win is to keep the race low profile, fly under the radar, and let the 2012 Obama turnout do its work.  You still might not win, but there's no reason to get into a food fight with Brown.  That's the sure way to lose.

[ Parent ]
But there's
a difference between a food fight and a thoughtful, steady series of attacks that tie him to the national Republicans is probably key. After all, isn't part of his appeal that he's supposedly not like that?

I wonder if there's some sort of gender gap to be exploited. That wasn't enough to work last time, but perhaps it could work this time.

I also have to wonder if the nominee will benefit because the Democrats haven't fully exploited their turnout machine in the state. Aside from 1996, when was the last time there was a competitive Senate race in the state during a presidential year? And when was the last time the Democrats really had to worry about Massachusetts? There's also a substantial portion of black, Hispanic, and Asian voters that could be registered.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
didn't they work GOTV
during the gubernatorial elections?  between mr. patrick's (his name sounds stupid to say) close re-election and the steady stream of narrowly elected republican governors why wouldn't democrats get out the vote for that?

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

[ Parent ]
MS Specials
Surprise..... GOP holds both, senate seat outright, house seat will be a runoff between two GOPers. So senate is a tie, with Lt. Gov. it's a majority. First time since...

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

First time since 2007.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
The last time
the GOP had the St. Senate majority (although this time by Lt. Gov., last time it was an outright majority) was before the 2007 elections.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
This
ain't one of these "chamber hasn't flipped since Reconstruction" situations this time.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
WTF is Djou's problem?
Did he really think he could hold onto a D+11 district in a 1-on-1 race?

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


In the aftermath of the attempted assassination of Rep. Giffords
there seems to be some dangerous infighting in the Arizona Republican Party.

Gabrielle Giffords' Arizona shooting prompts resignations

A nasty battle between factions of Legislative District 20 Republicans and fears that it could turn violent in the wake of what happened in Tucson on Saturday prompted District Chairman Anthony Miller and several others to resign.

Miller, a 43-year-old Ahwatukee Foothills resident and former campaign worker for U.S. Sen. John McCain, was re-elected to a second one-year term last month. He said constant verbal attacks after that election and Internet blog posts by some local members with Tea Party ties made him worry about his family's safety.

In an e-mail sent a few hours after Saturday's massacre in Tucson that killed six and injured 13, including U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords, Miller told state Republican Party Chairman Randy Pullen he was quitting: "Today my wife of 20 yrs ask (sic) me do I think that my PCs (Precinct Committee members) will shoot at our home? So with this being said I am stepping down from LD20GOP Chairman...I will make a full statement on Monday."[...]

Hat tip to Kristina40's diary at DailyKos for informing me about this ugliness.

To what extent is this violence and intimidation right now localized in Arizona, and to what extent is it a national problem? How badly will our politics get distorted by a minority of angry people who engage in violent acts or threats in order to try to win what they couldn't win by a majority vote at the ballot box?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


Ex AG Mike Cox - Michigan
Mike Cox was through the minute Geoffrey Fieger revealed Cox's extra-marital affair.  And if that didn't do it, ties (never proven, to be clear) to disgraced Detroit Mayor Kwame Kipatrick finished off whatever chance he ever had of being elected state-wide again for any office, thank god.  

He truly is one of the most slimey, shaddy politicians in the state, and his slimey tactics in the gubernatorial race -- which netted him an embarrassing third place after being a major front-runner for the nomination -- only reinforced that.


Obama approval up to 53% according to AP
See Political Wire.

Will there be a bump after
President Obama speaks in Tuscon, later today?

[ Parent ]
I think it will change significantly after the Tuscon speech
The question is whether it will be up or down.

My gut is that President Obama is going to have to show a --bit-- of emotion, and talk about being kind to neighbors, political opponents, etc, perhaps in a biblical "swords into plowshares" sense.  


[ Parent ]
He always hits it out the park
No worries on that score. Dunno about much change but I do think something is happening. Hell, he has been at at least 48 for the last six days according to Rasmussen.

[ Parent ]
On Rasmussen
One interesting thing to watch during the coming two years is whether Scotty tweaks his poll to make it less biased. Although there seems no doubt where his political sentiments lie, it still must have smarted to see the potshots people like Nate Silver were taking at him this year.

Another question - not for me, but for the moderators - how do you treat Rasmussen polls, given their bias was proven the last election (something I don't feel was true before). Do you still carve out an area at the end of the digests (which gives them a hint of legitimacy), or do you treat them as internal polls?  


[ Parent ]
This is a risky
thing to say, but I'll say it anyway: if he's able to use this tragedy as a way to remind people of why they like him, even if they aren't thrilled with everything he's done, it'll be a good moment to him. It would obviously be better if this never happened at all and he didn't have to fly to Tuscon to make this speech, but it did and he does. And since it's almost certainly likely to factor in to the State of the Union, where he's supposedly going to focus mostly on jobs and economic recovery, it'll work to punch his lottery ticket twice. Roughly speaking, it wouldn't surprise me if the reaction from most people was along the lines of, "I like Obama and like what he's saying. He's right about changing the tone*, and it seems like he's going to be more focused on job creation. This is really, really good."

*Speaking of which, for better or worse, he has tried to change the tone. There will always be a few poor choices of words, like when he referred to congressional Republicans as enemies before the election, but anyone speaking on his behalf can point to any number of things he's done to seem not hostile to Republicans. He won't say this, of course, but those speaking on his behalf can drop hints, and his unaffiliated supporters can certainly mention it.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
A historical perspective
I recommend that you read http://www.theatlantic.com/pol...

aka, will President Obama be more like Reagan, Clinton, W, or LBJ in response to a moment of national grief?


[ Parent ]
Nice
That made my morning.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
PA-Sen: Republicans overwhelmingly want Santorum as Senate nominee
And
Santorum overwhelmingly does NOT want to be the sacrificial lamb in a virtually hopeless senate rematch with Casey.

He's auditioning for VP or a high profile cabinet spot if a GOPer wins in '12.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
A cabinet spot
I could see (at least in a general sense; I am not sure what the hell Santorum is qualified for, if anything), but the vice presidency? He was defeated by a humiliating 18 points. He wasn't just a casualty of a wave. He was soundly rejected.

Is there more of a historical precedent for this than I realize? Or is Santorum unusual delusional?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
Look at who the Prez-nom might be
If its someone with no coservative credentials, it could make sense, though I agree he isn't "qualified".  Is he delusional, maybe, but so aren't most pols.

At this point the GOP probably thinks somehow PA will be in play in 2012 and Santorum might help boost turnout in West PA and the "T" area, but he won't...and PA will be solidly Dem in 2012 for Prez, Sen and we'll flip some house seats too :-)


[ Parent ]
But what does he bring to the
table that, say, DeMint doesn't? It really doesn't make sense.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Oh I agree on the credentials
But see my point re:Pennsylvania, Demint can't help him carry SC (whoever is GOP-nom should have SC) but in imagination-land Santorum could help in PA.


[ Parent ]
Conservative credentials
If they are looking for that, they will pick someone better than Santorum. Paul Ryan, Rick Perry, Bobby Jindal, etc come to mind.  

[ Parent ]
Ridge
I'm surprised no one tested Ridge vs Casey, in my mind he's the only person with the background & ability (but of course no desire) to beat Casey. It would be a decent test of what Casey's minimum is, if Casey is at or above 50% vs Ridge you can probably warm up the fat lady unless Obama goes into complete collapse.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
NJ-Sen
Menendez approval 37-38, leads Kean by 2, Guadagno by 15 but in mid-forties.

http://publicpolicypolling.blo...


Redistricting
Could play a huge role on who the GOP nominates. If Lance gets thrown into a district with Holt he might think his chances are better statewide.

The GOP bench just doesn't seem strong enough to take advantage of Mendendez weak numbers, especially in a presidential year.  Clearly if he had been up in '10 it would have been a whole different story...

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
As the article suggests
He probably would have pulled it out. Basically even approvals compared to Corzine who got close despite being heavily underwater. Bennet and Reid won with similar numbers and though their opponents were flawed Jersey is far more Democratic than either NV or CO.

[ Parent ]
I'm not so sure
Looking at Menendez numbers a couple things popped out at me, first of all his approval amoung hispanics is 15 (31/46 w/ 23% not sure) this is a key voter element for any Dem wanting to win statewide and not a group you can count on to automatically turn out. This translates to a far too narrow 4936 ballot test margin (vs Kean).

The fact that even after running for Senate 4 years ago (and being the son of a governor) Kean gets a not sure from 51% is not good (especially since it is pretty consistent across voters ages - so it's not like it just voters too young to remember his dad).


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


[ Parent ]
IL is another example
Look how close Giannoulias was to winning despite his terrible personal numbers. And Quinn did win. Similar states really. As Jensen says, an Dem incumbent has to have worse approvals than even to lose in a state like New Jersey.

[ Parent ]
I'm a little surprised Giannoulias DIDN'T win
Sure, he was a flawed candidate, but the Republican candidate (Kirk) was pretty flawed too. I'd think that in a Democratic state like IL, a flawed Democrat would beat a flawed Republican, even in a bad year.

And Quinn won, FWIW, though I realize that Brady was much more RW than Kirk.  


[ Parent ]
I was surprised at how little President Obama
helped Giannoulias. You would think he would do everything in his power to insure that his seat stayed in Democratic hands. Maybe he's waiting for someone better. Michele Obama! Kidding. I think.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

[ Parent ]
They
actually talked about Obama's seemingly disinterest in saving his own senate seat when they were talking about Obama probably not backing Emanuel in Chicago. I think they said that Obama didn't want to risk pissing off several powerful interests in the Illinois political universe by supporting Giannoulias to the level he did Specter before it was clear Specter was toast in the Dem primary. But I think Obama stayed away was because the WH knew Giannoulias was damaged goods....and that was before the Giannoulias family bank spectacularly collapsed.

Mark Kirk would of won by high single digits, maybe even 10 points if he wasn't exposed as a pathological liar during the summer. And if that had happened during the fall instead of the summer, Alexi would be sitting in the senate today. Shame, he and Sestak were part of my trio of senate candidates who I wanted to win. Luckily Bennet won so it wasn't a complete loss.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
That poll
uses a sample that is slightly older and far more conservative than the electorate might be in 2012. The CNN exit polls tell us that voters 45 to 64 made up 38 percent and voters 65 and older made up 15 percent, for a total of 53 percent of the electorate. PPP has 46 to 64 making up 37 percent but 65 and older making up 21 percent. The CNN exit polls also told us that liberals and conservatives make up 25 percent each, while moderates make up 50 percent of the electorate, while PPP tells us that liberals make up 18 percent, moderates make up 48 percent, and conservatives make up 34 percent.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
Still
Wouldn't change the big picture. Menendez is "meh" and will have work to do. But I have him in the same camp as Stabenow - it would take a big Obama defeat to lose.

[ Parent ]
Agreed, and barring a Menedez cluster-***
We should hoep for early polling showing it close.  NJ has always been fool's gold for the GOP, let them waste time and money in NJ in 2012 maybe it can help someone survive or make an unexpected challenge elsewhere.

[ Parent ]
Bench is different though
I think Stabenow is in big trouble, not just because of here own status, but because I think Terry Lynn Land or Bart Stupak would be very strong challengers.

The same can't be said for New Jersey, Kean already ran and lost once (granted it was '06, but it also wasn't close), has midling numbers himself considering his lineage and might not even make the race anyway...after Kean I hear nothing but crickets, maybe someone like Rep Lance gets in if his district dies in committee, but NJ is a very tough state for a GOPer to run statewide in from the House (just as Dick Zimmer).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Shit, brain fart
mixed up Bart Stupak and Pete Hoekstra. Frakin' DUH.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Hoekstra
I don't think he would do well against Stabenow. Social conservatives from the western part of the state usually do poorly statewide. The most recent exemple of this was in 2006 when the unpopular Granholm blew DeVos out by 14 points.

41, Ind, CA-05

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Kirk was a very strong challenger
Yes, he won, but barely. And Stabenow doesn't have Giannoulias negative numbers. Now, Michigan is less Democratic than either NJ or IL but according to PPP only Romney looks like making it anything like competitive. Besides, if Obama is in trouble in MI the Senate has already gone.

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And probably the White House too


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Why are you grouping
Terry Lynn Land and Bart Stupak together? Did Stupak change parties without me realizing it?

I agree with conspiracy: Stabenow might be vulnerable, but it would probably take a pretty big defeat for her to lose. Let's use Carl Levin in 2008 as a baseline. Assume there are five million votes cast and no third party candidates to make a significant difference. Let's say that instead  of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents making up 41, 30, and 29 percent of the electorate, they make up 37 percent, 33 percent, and 30 percent. Let's also say that instead of winning 95, 17, and 61 percent of Democrats, Republicans, and Independents like Levin did, Stabenow wins 90 percent, 10 percent, and 53 percent of such voters. Stabenow wins 1,665, 000 Democrats, 165,000 Republicans, and 795,000 Independents. She wins 2,625,000 votes, or with 52.5 percent.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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losing in NJ does not equal death sentence...
4 Governors in a row Kean (primary) / Florio / Whitman / McGreevey) lost statewide races before coming back to win a general.  Kean got something like 44% in '06, which was the strongest R in any D-held seat that year.  

Lance is going to run in whatever House district Hunterdon County lands in (they can't kill the whole county), and he'll have a good % of primary vote from there.  It could be with Mercer against Holt, or Warren against Garrett, or Somerset/Morris against Frelinghuysen, or a mixture/not with anyone.  All indications (and they were quasi-confirmed by the article posted today) are there's a 99% chance that he'll run in whatever House district he's in, with the support of the Hunterdon Republicans.  He'll be in decent shape too, because Somerset has no other incumbent to worry about, Mercer Republicans are in disarray and Smith's seat won't come North, and Lance served all of Warren in the State Assembly and Senate, so he has a base there too.  I really doubt the Morris/Hunterdon union, which would be the only real threat to him.  


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MI-Sen Terry Lynn Land
She was originally going to run for governor.  Then she bowed out to run for Lt. Gov -- on a ticket with the guy who came in a distant 4th in the primary.  That has to have tarnished her.  

She may still be among the strongest challengers, but that is just because she doesn't already have huge negatives.  What positives she has are mostly for an administrative role; it would be tough to translate them into a legislative role unless she could make a case that the other candidate was corrupt or extreme.  Being a generic R who largely doesn't offend probably won't be enough against Stabenow in a Presidential year.


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You don't
think it matters if the electorate is a full nine point more conservative than it was in 2008 and there's even less crossover support of Democrats? Maybe that wouldn't be enough to sink Menendez, but it would certainly hurt.

I agree that he does seemed to be viewed as "meh," but he's got a lot of room to grow, as seen by the people that don't register an opinion, and a lot of time to change minds.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Also a lot of time to lose them for good
If he hasn't won them over by now it's not like he can just go on the air and everyone will come home.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Worked for Gillibrand


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Maybe
Just shows need for a quality challenger, Gillibrand's number were middling for a long time, but it's easy to bring home your voters when there isn't anyone competing for their affection. If Rudy or Pataki had run it would not have been so automatic (and considering how the GOP did in congressional races who knows what might have happened).

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Maybe
But you don't need 62% of the vote to win either.

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But it will be 2012, not 2009 or 2010
Obama had a 600K vote maring in 2008, and Laugtenberg had a 490K vote margin (hence about 80% of Obama's margin).

In 2010, the GOP house congress candidates in Nj only outpolled Dems by less than 100K votes, in about the worst possible environment for Dems in god knows how long.  

Even if you think Obama carries NJ by oh say half what he did in 2008 (so 300K votes), how would whoever the GOP nominee is peal those Obama voters from menendez to the GOP?


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The same poll has Romney doing best
But still losing by 15. Same margin Obama beat McCain.

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300k ticket splitters?
I could see a decent GOP candidate overperforming the national candidate by 300k+. It certainly won't be easy (and given the cast of characters available, unlikely), but even with NJs blue nature, especially in presidential years, it's not mission impossible.

Now the path to victory vs Menendez is very narrow, but Menendez has certainly left the door open.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Don't disagree
Which is why I'm only pegging it at Leans Dem for now.

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Agreed
I have it as lean Dem myself, which is a dramatic move from the Safe Dem catagory I had put it in.

Too many seem to think he's still in for a cake walk, but IMO to not view Menendez as vulnerable at this point is to deny water is wet.


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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I don't
think he's in for a cakewalk, but I am not sure why so many act like putting himself into a strong spot so that he wins with closer to 60 percent rather than closer to 50 percent is that hard.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I surprised you would think that
Considering his approvals going back over the last year or so.

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I'm not really sure
what the point of a comment like that is.

I never indicated that he would have to take a few baby steps and do little else to bring himself to a better position. What I was trying to express was that he has a lot of time to try to change things. He's not in a really great position, but that could be said about pretty much every elected official in the country. Even if he's weaker than a lot of others, he's not that weak. It's not as if he's Roland Burris, who was thoroughly disliked by pretty much everyone. Even if more people were down on him, he still has time to change their minds. And as is the case with a lot of these allegedly vulnerable Democrats, a considerable chunk of the population doesn't even register an opinion. He has to move up just a little before the natural lean of his state probably brings him to a comfortable finish.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Menendez is the perfect candidate to poll "meh"
Or undecided or what not.

So long as people aren't tripping over themselves to hate him, he'll be fine.  Doubt he'll ever break 50% in any poll but he'll win comfortable so long as he polls even with his opponent, even if they each poll at 40%.  I'd imagine we'll see decently high undecideds through Sept/Oct 2012.

Its just the way NJ is.  It would take a "special" Republican or a "special" Democrat to really change the tilt of NJ.  Even Corzine put up a valiant fight even at a time when so many Dem's would have gotten walloped elsewhere.


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Playing Devil's Advocate
How much will Menendez have to spend? How much did Corzine spend to lose by 5%?

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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Millions
But Menendez is no slouch in the fundraising department.

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He'd better be
What are his fundraising numbers so far? If he's sitting on $12M you might be on to something, but NJ is among the most expensive states per voter.

Corzine won in '05 to a large extent by throwing around money in ways no one had ever seen before spending tens of millions of dollars funding local Dem candidates & organization, it was as close as you can come to putting brown paper bags of cash in voters hands, but without getting a jail term for your trouble.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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As of September
$2,270,508 CoH.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pol...

He raised nearly $12m in 2006.

http://www.opensecrets.org/pol...


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And that was before
He chaired the DSCC.  

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That was why he chaired the DSCC


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Wisconsin Election Registration
We usually figure Wisconsin will have higher turnout among Democratic-friendly demographics because the state allows same-day registration (potentially meaning the polls underestimate the amount of Dem support?).  That very well could change.  In addition to requiring photo ID at the polls (and, now, locking it into the Wisconsin constitution to prevent Dem from undoing the move), Republicans are starting to plan to end same-day registration:

Senate Majority Leader Scott Fitzgerald (R-Juneau), an avid supporter of the photo ID requirement, said lawmakers are debating whether to move quickly on photo ID or wait to develop a larger elections package that could include eliminating election day registration.

Wisconsin is one of a few states that allow voters to register at the polls, which observers credit with boosting voter turnout.

Momentum is building among Republicans to eliminate the practice. Leibham said he supports getting rid of the practice and Stone said he is open to the idea.

"Voting's a right, but there's also a responsibility to voting," Leibham said.

http://www.jsonline.com/news/s...


Quote
"Voting's a right, but there's also a responsibility to voting."

Yeah, don't want those non-white people voting. Now that would be irresponsible!


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If owning a gun is a right
then should it be a responsibility too?

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Of course not!


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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At least
they are doing this early. That way, we can figure out what steps we need to take in order to not have it matter that much.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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On the positive side
WI is a pretty white state so the usual problems with minorities isn't there.

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So we can put restrictions on voting, but not
on guns? What a wonderful time we live in.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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On that note...
In case you didn't know, the GOP legislature is planning on passing conceal-carry legislation this year as well.  So Wisconsin is almost certain to allow more guns and fewer Democratic voters, all in one year.  Also less (or no) stem cell research or domestic-partner benefits.

No offense to our more open-minded Alabama members, but will someone tell me when my state turned into North Alabama?


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Do you have any hope that Democrats will take back either the
state house or senate any time in the near future?

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)

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I don't know
if any of the current members can be defeated when they are up in 2012, because I don't know anything about how legislative districts are drawn or might be drawn, but it's definitely something worth looking into. I've heard conflicting stories about how much this was a focus in 2008, but regardless, it should be a focus in 2012.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Don't know
The Assembly will be tough with the large GOP margin, but some were likely close wins this year that could easily be reversed in a more-Dem-friendly year like 2012 will almost certainly be (Eau Claire's two Assembly flips come to mind).  If the GOP overreaches (they're setting themselves up for that) and if Obama can find the coalition that led him to a huge win in 2008 (combined with a polarizing Republican presidential candidate like a Palin or Gingrich), the coattails could drag a lot of Dems to victory.  State economic performance could be a factor;  if this state is sluggish, GOP (and by that, I mean Governor Walker's) promises of growth could blast the Republicans like the Obama administration's optimistic forecasts hurt them in 2010.

State Senate could flip in 2012, though there are fewer seats up for grabs than there will be in 2014.

The wild card?  Redistricting, which is controlled by the Republicans.  They might be able to re-draw enough districts to lock in control for the next decade.

Regardless of my state's genuine nature of being a swing state (and, in my opinion, near-likelihood of going for Obama in 2012), the Republicans are seemingly making a point of making their legislative majority semi-permanent through photo ID, eliminating same-day registration and redistricting (though we have yet to see what maps they come up with).  All three could very well have enough impact to prevent Dem gains in a marginally-Dem-favored year.


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One could argue that conceal-carry
is actually increased regulation in a way, as you are usually required to get a permit to do so. Currently I can open carry legally anyways so I don't really see why concealed carry is somehow a bad thing, about the only thing it does is allow people who are actually concerned with the law more freedom.

As for the republicans stupid plans on voter registration, stem cell research and domestic-partner benefits, those are all shining examples of why I hardly voted for any republicans last year.

20, male, independent, WI-07.


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