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PA-Sen: Casey in Command (For Now)

by: Crisitunity

Fri Jan 07, 2011 at 1:10 PM EST


Public Policy Polling (1/3-5, Pennsylvania voters):

Bob Casey, Jr. (D-inc): 51
Charlie Dent (R): 31
Undecided: 18

Bob Casey, Jr. (D-inc): 49
Jim Gerlach (R): 33
Undecided: 18

Bob Casey, Jr. (D-inc): 48
Rick Santorum (R): 41
Undecided: 10

Bob Casey, Jr. (D-inc): 47
Mark Schweiker (R): 34
Undecided: 18

Bob Casey, Jr. (D-inc): 50
Marc Scaringi (R): 27
Undecided: 22
(MoE: ±4.2%)

PPP's first look at the 2012 Pennsylvania Senate race finds Bob Casey Jr. in, superficially, very good shape, leading most of his potential challengers by substantial double digits. He also sports a robust 41/29 approval rating (the best rating for any of the statewide politicians polled). I say "superficially," though, because his mondo leads seem to be based mostly on the sheer unknown-ness of most of his opposition and the fact that he's still only hanging around the 50% mark. Charlie Dent and Jim Gerlach, for instance, seem little known outside their districts and aren't getting the benefit of the doubt from those who don't know them, sporting 6/18 and 9/17 favorables respectively.

I'd expect those numbers to tighten quite a bit over the course of a real campaign, if only because the one candidate Casey isn't dominating is probably the weakest candidate the GOP could put up against him but is, if nothing else, the best-known option: Rick Santorum, who lost to Casey 59-41 in 2006 and hasn't done anything to rehabilitate his image since then. The numbers against Santorum seem consistent with the ones Quinnipiac found a month ago running Casey against Generic R (where Casey won 43-35, based on 39/29 approval). At any rate, even before this poll it seemed highly unlikely that Santorum, Dent, or Gerlach runs... not that there'd be much utility right now in polling somebody like state Sen. Jake Corman who'll probably wind up the eventual candidate but for now is utterly unknown (as seen in the numbers for Marc Scaringi, a former Santorum aide who's the only announced candidate so far).

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So far, so good?
I hope so. I'm just hoping Sestak coming close last year is a good sign for '12.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


Casey & Sestak
These numbers look very good for Casey at this point, especially with the stink of 2010 not that far behind him.  Like you said, so far so good.

What's next for Sestak?  His loss was a real blow I think...he would have been a great senator.

Male, 23, NJ-12


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I wouldn't
want to speculate about a run for any particular office, but I doubt he would struggle if he really wanted it, at least based on his performance this past cycle. He lost by two points in an absolutely awful climate for Democrats, even in center-left states like Pennsylvania. I've read that some party activists in the state aren't keen on him, so maybe that will hold him back, but I doubt his loss last year will.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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FWIW, Casey
posted a huge vote total the last time he ran in a Presidential year.

He could lose, but if he doesn't we have much bigger things to worry about (i.e., Republicans in more complete control of the U.S. government than in 100 years).


Patty Murray
Has to be smiling at this one, she's had precious little good news thus far besides this and MN for incumbents and even the NV release yesterday isn't really good news. Have to figure the incumbents odds in FL, MO, MT, VA, OH & MI are 50/50 at best. On the plus side for her if Dems can keep 3 of those 6 (and not lose ND or WI if they come open) she only needs to pick up 1 GOP seat (MA or slightly less likely NV) to guarantee a majority.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


Don't forget about Nebraska
Nelson is in trouble.

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Ugh
How could I forget Nelson, personally I think he's already in Blanche Lincoln territory.

That does screw up my math a bit. Basically Murray must win 5 of 7 races I judge to be toss-ups plus one for each of Nevada and/or Massachusetts if she can make those picked up. If I was ranking the 10 most vulnerable seats I'd go with;

1. Nebraska (Nelson)
2. Nevada (if Ensign, drop to 10 if Heller)
3. Michigan (Stabenow)
4. Montana
5. Ohio
6. Missouri
7. Massachusetts
8. Virginia
9. Florida
10. Maine  

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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FL, VA, and OH are better-than-even
In my view, if Obama is winning, Democrats only lose Nebraska.  

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Agree
Though I think Obama probably has to win MO for McCaskill to win.

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Not so sure
I think McCaskill probably gets a 3-5 point advantage over Obama. It is telling that Obama couldn't win MO in '08, though.  

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I just think more than any other race
Those two are tied in their fortunes. Pretty tough to split them on the same ballot in such a tight state. But it would help her not having the convention in St. Louis.

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Incumbents have been known to win
in far more precarious situations than hers. "Undecided" voters are, as a general proposition, idiots. I think she will find enough idiots willing to split their tickets for her to be OK.

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I hope so
I just think of the others mentioned MO would be most likely to go after NE. Tester's good favorables are encouraging. Same goes for Bill Nelson. And Strickland getting as close as he did in November gives me hope for Sherrod Brown. Allen isn't particularly formidable against Webb or Kaine. I don't see Debbie Stabenow losing if Obama carries Michigan. But most of this depends on the candidates and the nature of the presidential race.  

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One real irritant
is that we have almost no target opportunities for 2012. Last year was a really bad year for Democrats to have a bad cycle.  

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Yup
We are looking at a Kyl retirement or teabagger help to expand the map.

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That's
really a function of the fact that we hold so many of the seats that are up for reelection. But we should be able to have competitive races in Nevada and Massachusetts, at minimum, and certainly Maine if Snowe isn't on the ticket, and perhaps even Arizona and Indiana. And in what I am sure will come as a huge shock to anyone that reads my comments, I'd even make a case for Texas, if the Democrats can attract a good candidate, the party focuses on ground game, and the national Democrats back it up, possibly through contesting it at the presidential level. That's half of the seats that are currently up. And if you really wanted to stretch it, perhaps we could seriously contest the seats in Wyoming and Tennessee if Freudenthal and Bresden were our candidates.

Like I said, the absolute number of opportunities is low, but I'd much rather be a Democrat trying to cobble together a competent campaign in Texas or even Tennessee rather than a Republican trying to win a seat in New York or California.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Obama wasn't President before
and was probably at saturation level due to his fundraising.  He may have the money to make a run at Texas depending what type of year it is.

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Regarding Texas
Democrats have to be prepared to invest for the future there. Because I don't believe that even a perfect campaign would result in a statewide victory.

15 years from now, it would be very useful to have a turnout machine in place.  


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By contrast,
Florida has a ton of ripe targets, if we only make an effort. 2012 should be a great opportunity to grab some of the low-hanging fruit, especially because the Republicans will probably have to draw the house and senate districts with some more care and less artistic license.  

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Texas
In order for Dem to win the Texas seat they will need a perfect storm of problems from the Republicans

1. Obama is extremely popular and is favored into his reelection
2. Hutchison (or the republicans in general) faces a expensive and damaging primary
3. The Dem candidate must be a popular and well known person
(also he must be able to prove that he is a centrist and not a big city liberal)
4. Turnout of the Dems

I do have agree that Texas remains an hostile territory for the dems. I just have one question, what are your opinion of the likest dem candidate John Sharp?


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I agree about having
a campaign structure in place, but I think the chances of a victory are greater than you imagine. For one thing, there are a lot of minority voters and/or urban voters that aren't registered and/or don't turn out. And there's a bigger group of voters, most of whom are probably white, that never show up. Texas does usually have pretty terrible turn out rates.

It would certainly have to be a good year for the state to be worth targeting, but it's worth making plans in case it is a good year.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I am
pretty sure that the $625-650 million or so he raised and spent included spending on the primary. He won't have to compete in a primary in 2012, nor will he have to spend as much money building the infrastructure that he built last time. That alone might be enough to free up a significant sum of money to use in ways he didn't use last time.

He did spend about $8.5 million on ads in Texas, but it's not clear when and where he spent the money. And I don't know how much he spent on on his ground game, if anything. Regardless, he certainly didn't contest the state in the same way he contested Florida or Ohio. They, and other states, may be naturally friendlier, but there looks to be room for improvement just by competing in the state in the way we'd compete in Virginia or North Carolina.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I wouldn't read too much
into it. His margin of defeat, much like his margin of victory in North Carolina or Indiana, was so small that it's probably best to look at it like a tossup. Remember that McCain didn't exactly give up on Missouri. He spent only slight more money in Florida in total that he did in Missouri, which is about twice the size.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I personally think McCaskill is going to lose
But that's just my two year out prediction.  :)

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I hope that prediction is as successful
As your Franken call at a similar time in 2007! :)

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Why is that?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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50/50
Depends on who runs and who doesn't. Some of those are more likely Dem holds than others. Nelson in particular.

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Outside of
the polling in Nebraska and perhaps Ohio (and even that is a stretch), what's the bad news she's faced?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I would not be
Happy with the incumbents numbers in MO, MT, FL and certainly Michigan (another poll is just out from the Detroit News showing her with a 37% approval & a 23% re-elect. I personally consider Nelson of Nebraska a dead man walking, but that's just my take, I also think Webb would lose if he runs again, but I've beaten the Webb horse to death already.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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What polls
have shown bad news besides those for Nelson? Not that any of them have shown particularly good news, but in a lot of ways, flat is up. Few incumbents, anywhere, even recently reelected or newly-elected ones, are popular and/or up in polls.

As for that Detroit News polls, it's one poll, two years before the election, that shows almost a quarter of the state not registering an opinion on her, and a whopping 44 percent not registering an opinion on the race. Also, as the article andyroo312 provided says:

Bill Ballenger, editor of the Lansing-based newsletter Inside Michigan Politics, said Stabenow's weak showing in The News poll was due, at least in part, to her being pitched against a generic candidate at a time when voter approval of Congress is at an all-time low.

"Approval of Congress is in the teens, a historic low," Ballenger said. "So putting her up against an 'anybody' shows that yes, she could be facing a tough election. But once you put up a specific candidate, minds do change."

I'm not saying she's definitely safe, but let's not make one poll against a generic candidate more than it is.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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1?
PPPollings numbers for Stabenow were pretty bad too. I'm not saying she's toast, not by a long shot, but I believe in casting a wide net when looking at vulnerable incumbents/seats and I think every one of FL, VA, OH, MI, MO, MT & NE are vulnerable (ND & WI too if they are open seats).

More to the point I would NOT include PA or MN in that category, though Feingold is a perfect lesson in how fast a race can change dynamics.

"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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They weren't that bad
Even approvals, pretty similar to this new one, and leading every match-up. But sure she is vulnerable.

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PPPolling
From 12/8/10

Do you approve or disapprove of Senator
Debbie Stabenow's job performance?
Approve 41%
Disapprove 40%
Not Sure 19%

I don't go by ballot test this far out, but Stabenow's range is pretty consistent (45/45/47/43 vs the 4 most likely challengers) and pretty far below 50%. Definetly highly vulnerable.


"Earnestness is stupidity sent to college"
P. J. O'Rourke


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That poll was commissioned weeks after our midterm thrashing
It's one poll, two years out, weeks after the worst beating Democrats have taken in years. Unless Romney is the nominee, I have trouble believing that, no matter how poorly he is performing, Obama won't carry Michigan. The only guarantees we have at this point are that the president will be atop the ballot and the state's powerful Democratic machine will be in motion, both big pluses for Stabenow. That said, the Republicans have built up a strong bench in Michigan lately, and the economy and unemployment rate are worse there than in most places. I want to see more polling in Michigan, but at this point I disagree that it's in the NRSC's top three or even five pickup opportunities.  

NY-01/NY-19

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I glad of see the challengers as far

This are better results than the results of J Ensign, D Heller of S Brown for NV and MA.

With this numbers it is not likely the strongest challengers jump to this race. Then R Casey can be so safe.


or S Brown

for NV and MA.

Casey is a lifer
There is no reason to think he won't be reelected in 2012. And 2018. And 2024. And 2030. And 2036.

And probably 2636 too


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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I doubt he'll stay in the Senate for life, though
He would rather be Governor. He'll probably run in 2018 when it's time for the governor's mansion to switch back to the Democrats.

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