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PA Redistricting: GOPmander

by: MikeFL

Mon Dec 13, 2010 at 2:28 AM EST


The GOP again has control of the redistricting trifecta in Pennsylvania.  Last time, it didn't go as well as planned, as its intended 13 R & 6 D delegation (12 R + ousting Tim Holden) ended up a dummymander by 2008 (12 D & 7 R representatives).

This time around, the Republicans have the challenge of shoring up regained seats around the state, in addition to the probable elimination of one of the Democratic delegation.  My goal here was to accomplish that, in addition to a couple of other curve balls:

All of the districts are within +/- 650 people, based on 2008 population estimates.  And without further wait, let's start!

Northwest PA:

PA-3: Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Butler)
         93% White, 4% Black, 3% Other
         52% McCain, 47% Obama, (49% McCain, 49% Obama)

PA-3 shifts a few points to the right, as PA-5 takes eastern Erie county in exchange for more rural precincts.  With the old PVI R+5.2 in addition to the rightward shift in the district, Kelly should be safe in most years.

PA-4 : OPEN; potentially Rep. Jason Altmire (D-McCandless)
         93% White, 4% Black, 3% Other
         53% McCain, 46% Obama, (no shift)

Surprisingly, it is fairly easy to remove Rep. Jason Altmire out of PA-4 by combining McCandless (his residency) with Mike Doyle in PA-14 in exchange for more Republican parts of Allegheny County.  If he doesn't decide to move within the district, this would probably be an GOP gain as the area is trending Republican with most of the state reps & senators being GOP members.  On the other hand, if Altmire sees the primary with Doyle as unfeasible (likely) and doesn't decide to retire, PA-4 could be the successor to the current PA-17 (Dem incumbent too personally popular to be unseated).

PA-5: Rep. Glenn Thompson (R-Howard)
         96% White, 4% Other
         54% McCain, 44% Obama, (55% McCain, 44% Obama)

Thompson's district moves westward and southward, taking parts of Allegheny and Erie county in order to shore up other less safe districts.  Nothing too exciting here.

Southwest PA:

PA-9: Rep. Bill Shuster (R-Hollidaysburg) vs. Rep Mark Critz (D-Johnstown)
         93% White, 3% Black, 3% Other
         55% McCain, 43% Obama, (63% McCain, 36% Obama)

Sorry, Mark Critz, but you're most likely going to be out of office come 2012.  The new PA-9 takes part of the former Murthamander of PA-12, including Critz' home base of Johnstown.  At a 55% McCain district with a non-Tim Burns opponent, he'll need the stars to align in order to beat Shuster.  Other than that, PA-9 shifts westward.

PA-12: Rep. Tim Murphy (R-Upper St. Clair), formerly PA-18
         95% White, 3% Black, 2% Other
         55% McCain, 44% Obama

Murphy snatches most of the rest of PA-12 along with the former PA-18, as southwest PA is where population growth is the lowest.  The McCain-Obama margin stays about the same as it was in the old PA-18.

PA-14: Rep. Mike Doyle (D-Forest Hills)
         72% White, 21% Black, 3% Asian, 4% Other
         67% Obama, 32% McCain ,(70% Obama, 29% McCain)

Mike Doyle's district, still centered around Pittsburgh) becomes slightly less Democratic with the addition of Altmire's base of McCandless.  Doyle probably doesn't have to worry about a primary from his right, so he should be in the clear.

Northeast PA:

PA-10: Rep. Tom Marino (R-Lycoming)
         93% White, 3% Black, 4% Other
         51% McCain, 48% Obama, (54% McCain, 45% Obama)

It is really difficult to make all the Republicans in Eastern PA safe, as Tim Holden's district can only hold so much population.  Neither Lou Barletta nor Tom Marino are strong candidates, so I had to choose one of them to shore up more.  As you can see, Marino took the hit (aka Scranton).  Carney would probably be good for a comeback here in a good Dem year, as Marino probably won't be the most ethical congressman.  However, Lackawanna County isn't trending Democratic at the federal level (Obama vs McCain margins were about the same as Gore vs Bush, a substantially more Republican year), so even if Marino were to lose, a better candidate could probably have at least an even chance of regaining the seat.

PA-11: Rep. Lou Barletta (R-Hazletown)
         94% White, 3% Hispanic, 3% Other
         53% McCain, 46% Obama, (57% Obama, 42% McCain)

Lou Barletta is the beneficiary of the Scranton switch, going from a 57% to 46% Obama district.  His district drastically shifts southwest, taking in the majority of the old PA-17, minus Schuylkill county, and eastern parts of PA-9.  He should be in pretty good condition here.

PA-15: Rep. Charlie Dent (R-Allentown)
         81% White, 12% Hispanic, 4% Black, 3% Other
         55% Obama, 43% McCain, (56% Obama, 43% McCain)

It is possible to make Charlie Dent theoretically safer by taking parts of Allentown or Bethlehem into PA-17 while grabbing more McCain-friendly precincts.  However, it would probably backfire on the Republicans, as it would remain an Obama district (52 or 53%).  Additionally, it would break up the Lehigh Valley, which historically has voted for a Republican for all but 6 years since the 1970s and has been in only one district for even longer.  Cracking Allentown would probably harm Dent more than help, as the "communities of interest" would potentially be an issue.  As a result, it only becomes slightly more Republican, taking in more conservative parts of the Valley.

PA-17: Rep. Tim Holden (D-St. Clair)
         78% White, 12% Hispanic, 6% Black, 3% Asian, 1% Other
         56% Obama, 43% McCain, (51% McCain, 49% Obama)

This district took quite a bit of effort and I'm not sure if it would hold up or not.  Basically, it makes Tim Holden safe, along with shoring up other suburban GOP reps.  With the most conservative part being his base, Holden takes in Reading, most of Monroe County, and chunks of Carbon & Montgomery Counties (PA-13 alone can't shore up all of the southeastern Republican seats).  Basically, it becomes a Democratic vote sink.  There could possibly be a chance that Holden moves westward in Schuylkill and takes on Gerlach or Barletta if he fears a primary challenge in a more Dem-friendly district.  However, their districts are more conservative than the previous PA-17 so he'd probably have a better shot in this district.

Southeast PA (Philly Suburbs):

PA-6: Rep. Jim Gerlach (R-West Pikeland)
         90% White, 4% Black, 3% Hispanic, 3% Other
         52% McCain, 47% Obama, (58% Obama, 41% McCain)

From D+5 to R+6, how things change for Jim Gerlach.  PA-6 becomes a lot more rural, stretching westward out from the suburbs in addition to giving Reading over to Tim Holden in exchange for much of the old PA-17.  Gerlach has repeatedly shown a knack for survival, hanging on in great Dem years like 2006 & 2008, so he should be safe in this district.  Even if he tries again for higher office, a moderate-conservative Republican should be able to hold on to the new PA-6 fairly easily.

PA-7: Rep. Pat Meehan (R-Drexel Hill)
         89% White, 4% Black, 4% Asian, 3% Other
         51% Obama, 48% McCain, (56% Obama, 43% McCain)

With Allyson Schwartz's district becoming a more Democratic vote-sink, PA-7 reddens a good deal.  Meehan's new district picks up parts of Pitts' and Gerlach's old districts while dropping more Dem-heavy precincts to the Philly districts.  Overall, this should help Meehan to entrench himself in the district more than before.

PA-8: Rep. Mike Fitzpatrick (R-Levittown)
         88% White, 4% Black, 4% Asian, 3% Hispanic, 1% Other
         53% Obama, 46% McCain, (54% Obama, 45% McCain)

There isn't a whole lot that can be done for Mike Fitzpatrick either, other than shifting the margin to what Obama won by nationally.  In 2006, a good Democratic year, Patrick Murphy only beat him by 1500-some votes, a margin that the switch of precincts with Allyson Schwartz would probably have eliminated.  PA-8, basically, remains a swing district, but leaves Fitzpatrick in a slightly stronger position.

PA-16:  Rep. Joe Pitts (R-Kennett Square)
         85% White, 8% Hispanic, 5% Black, 2% Other
         53% McCain, 46% Obama, (51% McCain, 48% Obama)

Joe Pitts' Lancaster-based district moves somewhat westward out of the suburbs, thus becoming slightly safer for him.  Still, if current trends hold, all of the Philadelphia suburban districts are going to end up places where the GOP will have to sweat, regardless of this round of redistricting.  Pitts will probably need to tone down his anti-choice rhetoric or even moderate somewhat in order to keep the district in the mid-long term.

PA-18:  Rep. Todd Platts (R-York)
         82% White, 9% Black, 6% Hispanic, 3% Other
         52% McCain, 47% Obama, (56% McCain, 43% Obama)

I had to put Harrisburg somewhere, and unfortunately for Todd Platts, it gets thrown into his district.  Putting Harrisburg in any other district presents a higher risk to the GOP, as Joe Pitts and Jim Gerlach both have to worry about further Democratization of the Philly suburbs.  The district is still fairly Republican, so Platts should be pretty safe.

Philadelphia:

PA-1: Rep. Robert Brady (D-Philadelphia)
         46% Black, 41% White, 7% Asian, 4% Hispanic, 2% Other  
         83% Obama, 16% McCain, (88% Obama, 12% McCain)

Majority-minority district for Brady.  It just stretches out more along the Delaware River than before, nothing too drastic.

PA-2: Rep. Chaka Fattah (D-Philadelphia)
         53% Black, 23% White, 18% Hispanic, 4% Asian, 1% Other
         91% Obama, 8% McCain, (90% Obama, 10% McCain)

It is possible: Chaka Fattah's district can become even more Democratic, albeit slightly.  It also becomes a lot more compact while remaining VRA at 53% black & only 23% white.  It also sheds some precincts to PA-13.

PA-13: Rep. Allyson Schwartz (D-Jenkintown)
         79% White, 9% Black, 6% Asian, 5% Hispanic, 1% Other
         64% Obama, 36% McCain, (59% Obama, 41% McCain)

PA-13 gains a lot more Dem voters and in the process makes the rest of the Republican suburbs safer.  It basically switches parts of Montgomery county with other districts in order to grab all of the 60%+ Obama precincts.  Allyson Schwartz, winning by a 13% margin in 2010, is there for as long as she wants to be in Congress.

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Overall, I think the Republicans will go for a map somewhat like this.  They might go with a Dem-vote sink in NW PA with Altmire by combining PA-4 with Erie, but I don't think they're going to cede to Altmire that easily.  Another option would be for Holden to take Scranton and drop some of SE Pennsylvania, but a similar district failed to pass last round I believe.  GOP wins in PA-10 & 11 this year complicated things for them, as the legislature is foremost going to try for R-incumbent protection.

So any thoughts?  I'm not from PA (no Florida precinct information on Dave's app yet :( ), so I'd be curious to see if anyone from there would think this would hold up.

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I don't know enough about PA to comment but
Mike Doyle is most certainly D-Forest Hills. :P

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Yeah my bad :P
Long night haha.

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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Hi, I'm from PA and I guess whatever the Republicans want will be held up
They have the trifecta (executive, legislative, and judicial).  I'm not sure what the rules are in our state but I imagine that Republicans will get a map that favors them.  If Republicans used Dave's Redistricting App, they could create horrendously gerrymandered districts but they could squeeze every Democrat into about probably a few mega-Democratic districts, place incumbent Democrats like Altmire and Holden into new Republican districts, and make the districts of Kelly, Marino, Barletta, and Meehan safer.  PA-8 and PA-15 I don't think will change that much.  Both Fitzpatrick and Dent can survive in those.  I think that obviously the Philadelphia districts will get even more Democratic and Allyson Schwartz will get a much safer district.  Amish Country will remain Republican.  I don't know if there is a trend there towards the Democrats.  Was that just an Obama thing or is that the younger voters moving away from the Republicans as a permanent trend?  Hmm curious.  Also the Pittsburgh area is not that Democratic anymore, Republicans can completely throw every Democratic precinct into Mike Doyle's district and try their best to dump Jason Altmire.  My prediction is that in the next Democratic wave year (I don't think it will be as big as this years) but that whenever Democrats have a really good year I think that you could see Gerlach, Barletta, Meehan, Dent, and Fitzpatrick lose.  It's going to be harder to knock out Marino and Kelly.

oh yes and A great job - PA takes a lonngggggg time to color


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Thanks & yeah
It's taken me awhile to get it all together since finals and stuff came up.  I had to toy with a bunch of the districts to get them like how they are, but giving State College to PA-9 solves a lot of problems for the GOP in western PA since PA-5 can help shore up Kelly instead of giving Altmire a safer district.  I've spent all night doing the write up and etc.

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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Thanks for Posting the map
Very interesting

The big question perhaps the only question in PAis to whether to slice and dice Holden's seat or to pack it with democratic voter you can find.  An alternative would be to run it North to Scranton through Wilkes Barre but that does split Baretta's district. Then you have to give the Montco precincts you have given Holden to CD6-CD7-CD8.

I think the GOP could live with this Map if you could find a few more % for Dent.  


If the Republicans try to go after Tim Holden, they are idiots
and looking at Dummymander v2.0. I think they'll let him be.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Like working out a puzzle
I have gone back and forth on it.

You could use the current 19 to grab most of Lebanon & take in Holden's home area of Schuykil.Then use current #16 to take in Harrisburg.Then #9 take in upper Dauphin.
Then move 6-7-8-15 into Berks county.  That would leave CD10 & CD11 to deal with issues. This map, however, shows how CD9 could be used to wipe out Critz and that is appealing to the GOP.  You can't use it to accomplish too much.  

You can look at my comments on NC & Utah.  I am wishy washy on taking out Shuler or Matheston.  I don't think the GOP would be wise to take outrageous measures to take them out and have come close to thinking the same is true with Holden.  

There's a lot to be said for locking up a certain number of safe or near safe party seats in a state.  In addition from the GOP standpoint Holden/Shuler/Matheson vote with them 95% of the time on major issues.  Plus if they retire or try for higher office the GOP would have a chance to win in NC & UT.  This configuration would be certain for Holden or some democrat.  


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#9 will probably have its hands full eating #12
and using PA-16 to absorb Harrisburg? are you serious? that district only voted 51-48 McCain. Republicans would be playing with fire.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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I got my
district numbers mixed up.

#16-Lancaster &  Lebanon counties plus 80K in Schukill would be about right for a district in 2012.  The 80K would include Holden's home and the stronger D areas. This district without the Chester portion will be heavily R.

Then #19 would be Adams and York counties plus 80K or so in Dauphin county.  That Southern portion of Dauphin plus a good bit of Harrisburg would be in there.  This district would clearly be republican.    


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PA-16 eats into Dem parts of Berks County
someone has to take those and if it's PA-06, 07, 08, or 15, that means those districts probably won't become more Republican.

I tried to draw your proposed PA-19 successor and it comes out to about 52-47 McCain. That's like the very lower limit of acceptable McCain % for a Republican district IMO.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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That does sound kinda iffy
and that's certainly one reason to think Holden's seat will not be eliminated.  

My suggestion does look better in light of 2010 election results where Toomey won 68% in both Adams & York county.  I might add that Toomey also won 68 & 70% in Lebanon and Lancaster counties.  The question often arises here what is the best baseline for judging a district-2008 or 2004 or 2010. Frankly I don't have that answer.

I can see, however, that turning Holden's seat into a democratic powerhouse would have a lot of appeal for GOP congressman in 16th 19th 10th 11th 15th 6th 7th and 8th.  No one wants to run against him and they either need a stronger district or don't want a weaker one.  

So perhaps the puzzle only has one solution.  Holden needs a seat and then the question becomes how it configured.  


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Holden's going to be safe
Barring a mental lapse in the state GOP, they aren't going to repeat the dummymander, which failed in getting rid of Holden.  He still won by double digits this year in a McCain district, so he's fairly entrenched.

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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Isn't Platts Fairly Moderate?
At least I've heard talk about wingnuts wanting to primary Platts and read somewhere that he was being considered for some post with the Obama administration, though admittedly that's a pretty low bar for "moderate."  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03

He's definitely moderate for his district
by current standards. All I can recall off the top of my head is voting for stem cell research, but he's definitely a step up from Generic R.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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I'm probably thinking of someone else
Is it Joe Pitts that's more conservative than his district should probably allow?

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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You're Thinking Of Pitts...
At least by 2008 standards, that district did quite a bit of blue-shifting over the decade, though not enough to help Democrats much.

It's a combination of the bluing of Philadelphia suburbs (though there's not that much in this district that's especially metropolitan) and the influx of Hispanic residents into agricultural areas and the City of Lancaster. At the very least, it makes the GOP strategy tougher since he's ill-equipped to help out other Republicans by taking in more Democratic voters.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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Altmire would probably win your new 4th
It has a good amount of overlap with his current district and any attempt to label him as a carpetbagger would likely backfire, since removing his house from the district in this fashion is such a transparent gerrymander.

28, Unenrolled, MA-08

Yeah I know there's a pretty good chance
But I think that the GOP is going to attempt to mess with Altmire somehow, and I would bet that McCandless was probably the reason a narrow victory this year didn't turn into a narrow loss.  So if he decides to run in the new 4th, in a neutral-good year for the Dems he'll probably win.  But another year like this & he won't probably hold on if he has a competent challenger.  

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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spot on
that Altmire's home precincts will be placed in PA14.

Its an effortless more for the GOP.

I have mentioned before that ambitious legislators often have an impact on CD lines.  If there was a GOP senator or state rep from that part of Butler or Allegany county it could move lines around a bit.

These lines are so smooth/compact as to be an almost certain 1st sketch.  


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If the GOP places Altmire's home in PA-14,
they have had a brain collapse. He will easily win the new PA-04.  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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I don't know
I just think it depends on what the GOP actually wants to do because they can make Mike Kelly really safe by giving Erie to Altmire and moving Kelly's district more centered on Butler.  And it's not like eastern PA, where cracking Holden will endanger the rest; Kelly's district moved to the right while drawing Altmire out and keeping the same margin, at least in this scenario.  I assume they definitely toy with the idea, at minimum.

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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Uh... to say McCandless was what saved Altmire from losing is not true.
Altmire won because of traditional Democratic areas like Hermitage, Beaver Falls, and New Castle!  He lost his home county.

In his home city, he lost 53-47. Granted, that was better than most Democrats, but that doesn't come close to being a decider.


28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


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Yeah I sort of overgeneralized
I meant that him being from McCandless probably saved himself from at least being in recount territory, as he outperformed the Obama/McCain margin by 6% or so.  That with switching in more unfriendly Allegheny precincts might have done him in.  Pure speculation though. Regardless, if he's drawn out of PA-4 and it isn't another horrible year for the Dems he should be okay running in the district unless one of the state reps is someone compelling that I haven't heard of.

20, Ind, Fl-13 & Fl-6 (college)

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I tend to agree
that Altmire certainly outperformed in his home area.  Its mighty rare for any congressman to not do well with friends-neighbors.  So many of the democratic precincts are loaded into PA14 so Altmire to be close in Allegany is a testimony to his campaigning. No doubt losing his home area would be a negative for him.  Legally he does not even have to move into PA4 to run.  

There will certainly be a tussle for Butler county area between PA3 & PA4.  That may be key to this map for 2012.

I defer to others-who know better-but by most account Keith Rothfus was cosidered a weak candidate in 2010. That may have helped Altmire win?  The political climate for 2012 is uncertain so I would think PA4 will a highly contested seat but its way too early to  spectulate.



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Re: CD-9
I'm not entirely sure that if I'm the GOP that I want to take the risk of putting both Johnstown and State College into the 9th; Bill Shuster's completely untested in a non-lock Republican district, and he had a heck of a time inheriting his seat from Daddy Shuster in '01.

I'm also convinced that the Presidential vote lies a fair bit about exactly how Democratic the district would be on the Congressional level. Throw in the fact that Johnstown is likely to block vote for Critz against Shuster, and add a big turnout out of State College in a Presidential year and you could be looking at Holden v. Gekas 2.0.

Generally, the GOP would be better off letting Altmire be, and packing the West into two solid Dem districts. They'll lose a lot less sleep over it. I also think you're right that they're going to have to choose between Barletta and Marino (and that's an underwhelming barrel to be pulling from).  


Concur
I think Altmire wins that 4th CD anyway, absent the combo of a strong GOP candidate and a strong GOP year.

Someone else had the idea of drawing that district up to Erie and moving Kelly into Allegany and perhaps Westmoreland....

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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