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IN-Gov: Bayh Won't Run

by: DavidNYC

Sun Dec 12, 2010 at 12:12 PM EST


Via the Fix:

Indiana Democratic Sen. Evan Bayh has decided against a run for governor in 2012, robbing Democrats of their top recruit in the Hoosier State.

"After careful consideration, I have concluded that the appropriate decision is not to be a candidate for governor of Indiana in 2012," Bayh said in a statement released to the Fix. ""The principle reason for my decision is the welfare of my twin sons."

Bayh's decision leaves the Democratic field wide open. Reps. Brad Ellsworth and Baron Hill, both of whom lost races this fall, are likely to consider the Bayh-less contest. Others mentioned include Rep. Joe Donnelly, Evansville Mayor Jonathan Weinzapfel and former state House Speaker John Gregg.
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What a wanker
Now he has no excuse for sitting on those millions (if I recall, upward of $10 million) during this past election season.

What a jerk.

Why Should He?
Senator Bayh showed no interest in helping out the team by keeping a red state in the Dem column by retiring. He showed no interest in helping the new Dem nominee retain the seat during the campaign. Why in the world should he feel obligated to donate his $10 million to anyone?
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Bayh's a dick
The sun is hot, water is wet.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
Donnelly
He's likely to be drawn out of the House (or at least forced into a primary with Visclosky), and he's moderate enough to win statewide. Wouldn't be surprised to se him enter the race.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08
I'm inclined to agree
If Indiana looks like a swing state in 2012, it's hard to see Rep. Pence winning statewide, but if it reverts to its old red ways as it did this year, well...

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native
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Not true, Daniels won a blowout on the same day Obama won the state......
Yes Pence is to Daniels' right, but that doesn't bother most Indianans.  Pence is no bombthrower like Bachmann or Steve King, he's a bit more rhetorically disciplined than that.

Voters will have no problem splitting their ticket there.

The one thing we have going for us in IN-Gov is that it's at least an open seat, we're not running against an incumbent.  But Democrats in Indiana can't win statewide without a good candidate who runs a good campaign, and that wasn't there in 2006 IN-Gov.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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2008 IN-Gov?


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
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Oop, yah, I meant 2008! (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10
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Here's the difference, though...
Gov. Daniels isn't an overt theocrat. Rep. Pence is. They represent completely different wings of the party.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native
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Plus, Pence is supposedly a legitimate moron
if Matt Yglesias can be believed. He's said that he's actually had a somewhat lengthy conversation with the man and found him to be genuinely stupid, which is a fairly big thing for someone who isn't usually a bomb thrower in the blogosphere. I wonder if his supposed stupidity manifests itself when he's running for some higher office.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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He'd be one possible candidate
Others could be Baron Hill or Brad Ellsworth, if they want to get back in the game.  Another name that always gets tossed around that I've mentioned several times is former House Speaker John Gregg.  He's very folksy and down-to-earth, from the SW part of the state (where Dems got absolutely killed last month), and there's some indication he might want to get back into electoral politics.

The two questions we need to wait to see answered before all this will shake out are: 1) Does it look like Mike Pence is going to really run for Gov, and 2) What exactly will redistricting look like.

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well said
Donnelly is the guy I think of when I see how a dem wins statewide in 2012. And he'd help Obama in Indiana imo.

22, male, VA-10
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Maybe.
Though Daniels may not eliminate his district, it's not impossible. If he does then it's a possibility. Donnelly did run for AG before, very unsuccessfully though. I don't see him running for Governor. Man I'd love to see Donnelly take out Visclosky in a primary. He is not much farther to the right than Visclosky and would, without a doubt, move left in a safe district.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Not Much Farther to the Right?
That might be his personal feeling, but it's not how he votes. Donnelly's voting record is steadfastly anti-choice, while Visclosky is pro-choice. Donnelly's ratings from the Chamber of Commerce are more than twice Visclosky's, while his Human Rights Campaign rating is less than half of Visclosky's. Visclosky might have personal issues, but in terms of his vote, I'd much rather have him around than Donnelly.
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Sometimes a moderate is better than a corrupt incumbent.
nt

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26
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We can't allow basic decency to trump politics!
hehe

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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Look
at actual votes. Cap and trade, both no. Financial regulation, Donnelly yes, Visclosky no. Both voted against the DREAM act. Both voted for bailouts, stimulus and HCR. Donnelly is anti choice but you have to remember he represents a very Catholic area, he'd be DOA otherwise. However give him a safer district I promise he'd move to the left on most issues. Look at his voting record in an R+2, and look and  Visclosky's in a very safe district. Plus Visclosky has corruption issues as well. In all reality they have very similar voting records but Donnelly's is amazing considering he is in a R+2, while Visclosky's indicates he's a dick. Donnelly would likely move to the left in a safer district, Visclosky has a safe district and is corrupt and an unreliable vote, with no excuse for being such. I'd take Donnelly.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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If the GOP ...
....  goes for the North/South division in Northern Indiana, the Northern district (assuming it runs along Lake Michigan and the state border from South Bend to Gary/Hammond) will be Democratic enough that it will elect someone to the left of both Donnelly and Visclosky -- but I do agree with you I'd take Donnelly if the choice was between the two of them.
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Looking at All Actual Votes
Okay, let's talk about a measure that looks at all their votes. When we do, there's a chasm between their voting records. For the 111th Congress Visclosky's NOMINATE score is -.449 while Donnelly's is -.072. That puts Visclosky's voting record (the thing that actually affects me and other Americans; not that I condone corruption, but if someone is making a little on the side I care about that less than the national effect of his votes) basically in line with that of Rosa DeLauro, John Larson, and Andre Carson, while Donnelly is similar to Brad Ellsworth and Heath Shuler. Maybe Donnelly would move somewhat to the left in a new district. But it's exceedingly unusual (hardly ever happens) for a member of Congress' voting record to shift that much, even if their constituency changes.
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Not
to be rude but I do not know what nominate is nor care what it says, when I look at actual votes they are about the same, with Donnelly, naturally, being a bit more moderate but not much more so. I mean name a key vote in the last Congress, not a score, that they differ on. Stupak is about all I can come up with. And even if Visclosky is a whole bunch more liberal, not convinced he is, then you still have to factor in corruption, that is very important. A good example of constituency change is Kirsten Gillibrand, who I think would have voted against the stimulus and HCR had she stayed in Congress yet is now VERY liberal.  
   

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
With all due respect ...
... any measure or analysis or scoring system that puts Pete Visclosky and Andre Carson "in line" with each other is seriously off -- they represent very different districts, and are from very different factions of the Democratic Party.  
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You have a really valid point
Their voting records on big issues are not that different.

Just looking at the time both were in Congress, both voted against the clean energy bill and the DREAM Act. Both voted for SCHIP, fair pay, the stimulus, the save homes bill, the credit card bill, student loan reform, HCR (excluding Stupak), and Wall Street reform (Visclosky actually voted against it the first time, so Donnelly beats him there).

Their records differ on FISA (from 2008), TARP, hate crimes (LGBT being the key issue), Stupak, and DADT repeal, for which Donnelly voted "wrong".

Visclosky voted "wrong" on Wall Street reform (the first vote) and the recent tax plan. Looking at prior years, he did vote against the Patriot Act, the Iraq war, and the Federal marriage Amendment, all of which I'm sure Donnelly would have voted for.

Visclosky is in D+8, Donnelly in R+2.  Their records are fairly different but not as much as they should be.  

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Agree
Though Donnelly voted for TARP.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Correct.
I said their records differed on that.  Donnelly voted for it, Visclosky against.

Donnelly has a pretty shitty civil rights record. He and Visclosky can both slip into oblivion for all I care.

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I bet he primaries Obama
And I hope he does.  I'll vote for anyone over Obama.
You do realize that he's way to
Obama's right?

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)
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Even a centrist corporate hack like Bayh?
Seriously, I don't really understand why anyone would vote for Bayh over Obama. It's not like Obama isn't far enough to the right for everyone in the Democratic party left of the few remaining Southern DINOs.
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pretty sure gutter's a Republican
he asked about who to vote for in the VA-11 GOP primary earlier this year  
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Terrible, terrible topic for SSP
Shutting this sub-thread down now. Don't continue this here - anyone.
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Why?
Obama isn't perfect by any stretch, but unless you are a leftist that has unrealistic demands, a right-winger that doesn't have a natural place in the Democratic Party. or a one-issue voter that he's offended in some way, you don't really have a reason to be mad at him.

If Bayh primaries Obama, it only helps him. He's not going to win coming at Obama from the right, but he will make Obama seem more appealing, naturally, by doing nothing other than being someone other than Bayh to the base, all the while not doing anything with his standing amongst those from the center. In other words, if Bayh launches a primary challenge, it's more helpful to Obama than if Kucinich primaries him.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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So I guess the big question is
...will Pence run? And if he doesn't, who will? Marlin Stutzman has a job, Hostettler is probably out after two losses. Almost all Republican Congressmen are freshmen.
Dan Burton? His Wikipedia page reads like it has been subject of an edit war, so he seems to care for what people think about him- and he wouldn't need to if he was just going to sit in his safe seat until he retires.

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)
Or, of course,
does Lt. Gov. Stillman get the nod if no strong challenger emerges?

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)
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Or, of course,
does Lt. Gov. Stillman get the nod if no strong challenger emerges?

18- Hamburg, Germany (non-US-citizen)
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Skillman
will probably get it if Pence doesn't run.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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Skillman is next in line
In fact, I think Skillman may run even if Pence does. She's been getting ready for this race for a while.

None of the other Republican congressmen besides Pence are likely to get in. Buyer has some ethical problems and has bigger things to deal with than politics right now, Burton's old and a total joke in Hoosier politics, Souder is disgraced, and nobody else has the prominence to bother with a run.

Todd Rokita would have had a good shot. I'm honestly surprised he ran for Congress instead of waiting for a shot at governor.

Total conjecture, but perhaps Richard Mourdock might run if he doesn't make a stab at primarying Dick Lugar.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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I wonder if Rokita has an eye on House leadership
He considered a Senate run last year but decided on the House instead, and I remember him being very vocal during the mid-November period when the freshmen first arrived in DC. He's from a safe district (R+14) and only 40, so he could be around for a long time.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08
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I think so
He donated a lot to candidates and the NRCC after he won his primary.  
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Skillman
She's popular and has already begun raising money. Its not like there is no Republican bench.  
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I don't kow if I'd say she's popular
The Daniels Administration is popular, but I think she's still pretty unknown in her own right.  She's a veteran and qualified person, but was a very low-key if not respected member of the legislature, and as LG hasn't really done all that much (not that most LGs really do).  A friend of mine who used to work for the state said she basically rode around with the big sissors all day!

Don't get me wrong -- she's a top shelf candidate, and will benefit from Mitch's popularity (if that continues).  One downside is that she's REALLY, REALLY, REALLY boring as a public speaker.

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that's the problem with LG's running on the same ticket with the governors
it makes them SEEM like good candidates since they're statewide and have been in office for a long time, but in reality they may have never been tested.  the fix has more.  of all LG's in 2008 running for higher office (sen or gov), only Dennis Dauugard of SD won.

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Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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I like the way
LA, CA, SC, TX, and a few other states do it. Lt. Gov is elected separately, just like if they were AG  
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i do too, but
I wonder how effective it really is?  In Vermont we elect our LG's separately and they almost never win.  Whether they run against the incumbent gov, or an open seat, whether it's a dem or a Rep it doesn't seem to matter, they always lose.  how effective a springboard is LG in the states you mentioned (electorally, not in terms of succession, because that's just luck).  

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.
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No idea
I think it depends on how much you want the governor's seat. Gray Davis was the lieutenant governor before winning governor's seat in 1998. But on the other hand, John Garamendi briefly ran for lieutenant governor but his bid wasn't going anywhere so he dropped down and went to Congress where I think he'll stay for a long time, hopefully. When Jerry Brown either is termed out or retires, you can be Gavin Newsom will jump into the race. But the main problem surrounding lieutenant governor's is they basically do nothing. They may chair a few committees there, a few red ribbon boards like here in California, but they aren't that noteworthy.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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I think it has something to do with their visibility
and you can bet someone like Gavin Newsome will stay visible.  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
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Not in TX
IDK specifics, but TX's Lt. Gov is called the most powerful Lt. Gov in America. Some people say the Lt. Gov has more responsibility than the Gov in TX. I have no idea what he does.  
[ Parent ]
Howard Dean was Lieutenant Governor too, not?

I think yes.
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but he didn't win election as governor
he won RE-election.  becoming governor b/c snelling died and then getting re-elected as an incumbent governor is not the same as getting elected governor as a sitting LG.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.
[ Parent ]
Yeah, I think RI might be similar
Our Lt. Gov ran against our Republican Gov in 2006 and lost. 2006! of all the years to lose to a conservative Republican in RI. he was so close too. sigh. thanks for having failtastic statewide candidates RIDP. Our current lt. governor was talked up for governor this year but ran for re-election

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
[ Parent ]
Lt. Governor -> Governor
The discussion made me curious, so here's the current list:

Sean Parnell
Jodi Rell
Pat Quinn
Mark Parkinson
Dave Heineman
David Paterson
Bev Perdue
Jack Dalrymple
Rick Perry
Gary Herbert

And Daugaard is incoming.

Of that list, only Perdue and Daugaard were elected in their own right. All the others succeeded Governors that left office early.

And of the current members, the only two sitting Lt. Governors elected to the Senate are John Kerry and Jim Risch. In the House, it's John Garamendi, Denny Rehberg, and Mary Fallin.

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Actually, scratch Rehberg.

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Yeah
she's nothing special. She could be a GREAT candidate or she could be a horrible one, we really don't know as she's never proven herself. Plus no one knows who she is. Another downside is she doesn't have a college degree.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
Strike that,
 she got an associate degree last year.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
From Ivy Tech?


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
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Indiana Wesleyan


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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You would think a member of the state
government would use the state funded and supported school.  

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
[ Parent ]
My big question is
What in the world was Bayh thinking?

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01
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My guess would be
he thinks Indiana will still be tough for Dems in 2012. He's not a profile in courage.
[ Parent ]
Would
explain his sudden retirement this year. Bayh doesn't like to run in tough races anymore.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
[ Parent ]
If that is the case, then this primary
talk would make zero sense. That would be the epitome of a tough race.

19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
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I agree, Bayh is not a courageous candidate

But I understand too. He can be looking to 2016, and a competitive race against M Pence with decent risk of lose would not be the best for him. I think not he will run against Obama for 2012, but he can be thinking in 2016.

His campaign for governor would not go in the same way than Obama, and this is not very good for him and for Obama.

Now, I think this race will not be very competitive. M Pence seems too strong for the other democrats at this point.

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I don't think Pence is running for Governor
Based on his rhetoric lately (which is much more national than Hoosier), he's running for President. Or Vice-President, to be precise.
[ Parent ]
I think he has nothing to do in the national level

but some national profile and prominence will help him for run for governor.

I think if Bayh would think Pence will not run he would not rule out a gubernatorial bid.

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My guess
is that once he finally acknowledged that he'll never be President or Vice President that he decided it was time to make some money.
[ Parent ]
...
The Lt. Gov. Rebecca Stillmen is a prime candidate  
I don't think I've ever ...
heard anyone call her "Rebecca," and her last name is Skillman.
[ Parent ]
It's ok, we may not have Birch Bayh III anymore
but we still have Joseph Donnelly Sr.!

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
[ Parent ]
Brad Ellsworth would be the best choice
He's run statewide already and seems to be a likable candidate. With Democrats turning out in the Presidential race, he'd have a good groundswell of support and have room to focus on swing voters at the state level.  

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.
Maybe, but I'm not so sure
In retrospect, no Democrat was going to be Dan Coats (or probably any other Republican) here statewide this time around.  But Ellsworth's campaign was pretty non-existent.  So we don't really have a sense of how good or bad of a candidate he is.  One positive thing was that while losing the statewide race by 15 points, he won Marion County by 12 points (and winning Marion County was something Bill Clinton even never did).
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Yep
 Ellsworth was also supposed to be a more rural candidate and unpopular in the urban areas. His Marion County percentage was 17 of Obama while his statewide percentage was 16 of Obama's. Pretty similar so I think it means that either Ellsworth has some appeal to the Indianappolis area or Marion County is trending Democratic overall.  

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17, CA-06,  

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I do not know why
There are strikethroughs there.  

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17, CA-06,  

[ Parent ]
Because if you use two dashes
... it strikes out anything between them. I wish there was a way to fix that, though it may just be a problem inherent in HTML coding.  
[ Parent ]
Is Bayh pronounced BAY or BI?

BI


NY-01/NY-19
[ Parent ]
Wesley Willis has a song for Bayh:

Anywho, we all thought DE-Sen was as good as gone when Beau Biden chose not to run, but we were proven wrong in the end.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!

Well, we also thought
a whole bunch of other things that didn't pan out, such as Mike Bennet being toast, Bob Bennett being conservative enough, and Dan Coats being unelectable.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01
[ Parent ]
We
can beat Skillman without Bayh. Now Pence, well that's another story.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
Pence
I know he is a very strong candidate, and you always talk about how good he is. Do you think, if he ran for President, he would have a reasonable shot to win the nomination? Also, what do you think he's running for?  
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Probably not, no body knows who he is
I don't think he can ran on a "I'm not a right wing loon" slogan. he'll probably be competing with Romney for the competence vote and since Romney is better known and can raise more money Pence probably can't out do him with that alone.  
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No clue.
Honestly he has a good resume for President in an R primary anway and if you all just run the same retreads then maybe. Still Congressman to President is very rare, he would be an underdog. My guess, a pure guess, he runs for Prez, fizzles early and runs for Governor and tries again for prez in four years.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
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VEEP?
if a social conservative like huckabee (I know huck dissed pence for his "we shouldn't focus on social issues" line, but candidates have chosen rivals before), or gingrich gets the nomination and they need a quasi-establishment fiscal conservative, it seems like hed be a good choice.  house to veep (or at least VEEP nominee) isn't TOO rare.  ferraro, kemp, arguably cheney, if you only count electoral experience, bush sr under the same arguments as cheney.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.
[ Parent ]
Mitch Daniels was the one who talked about moving away from social issues
Pence is a pretty doctrinaire social conservative, I believe.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09
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After 2008
I vaguely recall Mike Pence writing something in Human Events about how the GOP should regroup by hating gays more. so he's probably a big enough douchenozzle for Huck.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
[ Parent ]
Generally speaking
U.S. House is not a big enough platform from which to launch a Presidential bid.  The last sitting Congressman to win a Presidential primary was Dick Gephardt in 1988.  Only three sitting Congressmen have run for President during the past decade: Ron Paul in 2008, Dick Gephardt in 2004, and John Kasich in 2000.  Gephardt did the best, but he'd been Minority Leader for a decade and had a substantial national profile before making the run.  Similarly, Ron Paul was a national figure because of his libertarian connections.  Kasich, who was the most similar to Pence -- a bright up-and-comer from the right end of the Republican spectrum -- completely fizzled.  During the previous decade, the only Congressman to make the race was the hapless "B-1 Bob" Dornan.

Really, Pence would be much better served running for Governor this cycle and then President in four years.  Up against people like Palin, Romney, and Huckabee, he's just not going to get any airtime as a sitting Congressman.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...

[ Parent ]
Duncan Hunter Sr. (CA-52) ran in 2008 also.


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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)
[ Parent ]
and Tancredo


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
[ Parent ]
and Kucinich
in 2008 also.

Male, 23, NJ-12
[ Parent ]
oh true, and 2004.


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
[ Parent ]
still

I agree with the comment of Nonpartisan. He is right.
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Me too...
Jumping from the House to the presidency is typically a long shot as mentioned.  However, Pence could probably successfully angle for the VP slot depending who the nominee is.

Male, 23, NJ-12
[ Parent ]
You're all right
What a collection of losers, though!  Anyone remember Duncan Hunter walking onto a live taping of Morning Joe to complain that he'd won a single delegate and they weren't covering it?



The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...

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No, but that's hilarious.


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/
[ Parent ]
Yeah except
Except that Beau Biden didn't hoard like $10 million in campaign cash totally unnecessarily, depriving his party of the resources they needed to prevent an out-and-out slaughter.  ....and Biden actually ran for something (re-election as AG) and Biden didn't wait until the very, very last minute to opt out. He made his decision with a reasonable amount of time to recruit the next-best candidate (Coons) and give him a decent shot to mount a campaign.

Seriously, Bayh, you fucking fuckface asshole motherfucker! Why on earth would you hoard cash if you weren't going to run again?  Man, between him and Joe Lieberman, I'm not sure who I want to kick in the balls more.

Apologies on the salty language. I blame Rahm Emanuel.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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Was
Coons the next best candidate? I thought it went: Biden, Carney, Kauffman, Denn and then Coons.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  
[ Parent ]
That's what I find so weird.
Even if the base in your state party is different than the base nationwide, you have to think there's someone in your inner circle that would be telling you if you were making a poor decision. Bayh might just be the exception to that rule.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?
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Thank you Alex Pareene
Salon.com's Alex Pareene just managed to perfect capture the essence of Evan Bayh while simultaneously skewer Bloomberg's new presidential vehicle "No Labels" Party...the italicized part in the middle is where I'm quoting Pareene quoting Dave Weigel...

Evan Bayh is the perfect embodiment of the fetishization of bipartisanship for the sake of bipartisanship. In his time in the Senate, he never stood up for anything, right or wrong. Looking back on his tenure, he recalls periods of awful nationwide crises with great fondness.

Bayh, a former Indiana governor who retired from the Senate after two terms, said he had seen the Senate behave in a bipartisan fashion only a handful of times, such as after the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks.

"It may take that kind of exogenous event, that kind of forcing event, to make it happen" again, Bayh said.

Only when America faces an existential threat can both parties put aside their differences and ... do horrible, horrible things like pass the USA Patriot Act, decide to topple the government of Iraq, and use billions of taxpayer dollars to bail out the institutions that caused the worst global financial meltdown in generations, thus consolidating even more money and power into even fewer and more systemically connected mega-banks.

However, the best Pareene quip is this:

[Joe] Scarborough and Bayh are self-righteous and sanctimonious enough to make the most dedicated centrist long for the company of Barney Frank and Jim DeMint.

Hell to the yes. Well done, Pareene.

Source: http://www.salon.com/news/joe_...

Oh, and if you want to know why Evan Bayh is like Glenn Beck (but a wee bit worse, actually), don't miss this Dave Weigel column in Slate.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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MAYBE, just MAYBE
bayh'll run for senate in 2016, especially if coats retires.  If a dem can win the governor's mansion this year, then there might be better candidates, otherwise, Bayh is probably the only person who can win and he will still have his 10+ million warchest.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.
Naw
he's off to his cable gig on Fox News or Morning Joe where he can trash the Democratic party constantly. Thanks for nothing Bayh.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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well,
only twenty or thirty years until one of his sons gets elected senator then.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.
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And then they will be even more conservative then their father.


19, Self Appointed Chair of the SSP Gay Caucus (I claimed it first :p), male, Dem, IN-09 (College IN-09) (Raised IL-03, IL-09)
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Maybe a few generations from now it will come full circle
and Indiana will elect an anarcho-syndacalist Bayh.
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Ugh, misspelled "syndicalist"

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But only as a sort of executive officer for the week.
And all of his decisions will have to be ratified at a bi-weekly meeting, by a simple majority for purely internal affairs, but a two thirds majority in the case of more major decisions.
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Political Science, FTW
Anarcho-syndicalism Comprehension WIN Johnny! It really puts the cooperative back in co-op! But oddly, I could see that happening in some sort of post-industrial, post-apocalyptic Indiana, which, really, it doesn't have that far to go.  And Bayh has twins, so maybe they could be some sort of co-chair-ish entities.

Btw, Bayh's twins were born in 1995. Which would make them 15. I'm sorry, but that's right at the age where most teenage boys practically demand to see less of their fathers. Seriously, Evan, you missed basically the entirety of their childhood, so the "spend more time with my family" excuse is a canard, also.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.

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I learned it from Monty Python
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Come and see the violence inherent in the system!  

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Not that he wants to spend time with them
"the welfare of my twin sons."

The way I interpret that, he's headed off to K Street to make as much money as he possibly can.

überliberal Democrat, male, OH-12 (college), NJ-09 ("home"), Mets, Jets

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Indiana redistricting
This is somewhat tangential to the main point of this thread, but still Indiana-related, so I hope it's ok. I've started looking at Indiana in Dave's App, and I had a couple of questions for those who know the state better than I.

(1) Comparing Wikipedia's listing of their current residency to the lines in Dave's App, it looks to me like none of Rokita, Pence and Burton live in their districts. Is that true?

(2) Assuming that Pence makes the run for higher office that's expected, who is expected to want his seat? And do any of those potential candidates hold sway in/over the state legislature? (For example, similar to how then-state-senator Thad McCotter had Michigan's 11th district draw specifically for himself as a member of the 2000 redistricting committee.)


30, male, MI-11 (previously VA-08). Evangelical, postconservative, green.

Looks like Pence is barely in his district
Columbus is in the very southwest end of the district. It may even be split in two.

The other two live in Indianapolis, which, depending on your definition, could be the city proper or anywhere in Marion County, since the government is consolidated. The 4th and 5th both have some small outer edges of Marion County included, so they may or may not live in the district.

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Ellsworth considering gubernatorial run
Hmm
well he might be good. Ellsworth was screwed by the fact that Bayh dropped out so late he wasn't able to marshal a big enough war chest in order to compete with Coats, especially since Coats had plenty of friends he made while being a lobbyist to pour money into his campaign.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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And Citizens United helping with that bit.


party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01
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How fitting.
Mike Pence is advertising on this site.  Heh.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01
How long can Bayh keep his 10M hoard?
I don't think he can convert it for personal use....

But does he ever have to give it back to the donors, as long as it's in some legal campaign fund?

It's illegal to use it for personal use
Yes, he can give it back to donors, but he can also funnel it to campaign committees and groups.  He can also donate it to charity in accordance with FEC rules.  Or he can sit on it.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!
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He
can keep if for as long as he wants. I think Toricelli still has tons of money socked away for that reelection bid in 2002 that came to an abrupt end.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12
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