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SSP Daily Digest: 11/23

by: Crisitunity

Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 6:20 PM EST


AK-Sen: There's yet another lawsuit coming out of the Joe Miller camp, this one filed in state court. It essentially rehashes claims he's already made at the federal level, but adds two new allegations: voters without identification were allowed to take ballots in some precincts, and that in a few precincts handwriting samples suggest that the same person completed multiple ballots. Miller's ultimate goal is a hand count of the entire race, which could delay Lisa Murkowski's swearing-in past January. The question, however, is starting to arise: who's paying for all this? None of Miller's former friends seem interested any more: the NRSC has gone silent, and the Tea Party Express still offers verbal support but isn't ponying up any money. Only Jim DeMint continues to offer any financial support (with a Joe Miller fundraising button on his Senate Conservatives website).

MT-Sen: This could complicates matters for Denny Rehberg, turning this primary into an establishment vs. teabagger duel. Two right-wing groups, Concerned Women PAC and Gun Owners of America, have already lent their support to businessman Steve Daines, who has already announced his bid for the GOP nod here.

NY-Sen: Kirsten Gillibrand has to do it all over again in 2012 (this one was just a special election), and rumors are that former Bush administration official Dan Senor, who spurned a run this time, is interested in a run next time. It's hard to imagine, if Gillibrand could top 60% in a year as bad as this, that Senor could somehow overperform that in a presidential year.

MN-Gov: The recount is officially on. The State Canvassing Board, whom you all got to know really well in early 2009, ruled that the 8,770 vote lead for Mark Dayton is less than one-half of a percentage point and that an automatic recount is triggered. The count starts on Monday and should end in mid-December, allowing time for swearing in on Jan. 3 (unless things really go haywire). This comes after a variety of legal maneuvering from both sides, including a fast Minnesota Supreme Court ruling against Tom Emmer, in response to his desire to force counties to comb through voter rolls and eliminate votes that were "excessively cast." No word yet on whether the Board will honor Dayton's request for ways to streamline the process (and minimize Emmer's chances for challenges).

MT-Gov: There had been rumors that Democratic ex-Rep. Pat Williams would seek the Dem gubernatorial nomination (potentially setting up a match with his successor, ex-Rep. Rick Hill), despite being 72 years old. He's now saying that he won't. Williams is so old-school that he used to represent MT-01, before the state got smooshed together into one at-large district.

CT-05: Random rich guy Mark Greenberg, who finished third in the GOP primary in the 5th this year (although with nearly 30% of the vote), says he'll be running again in 2012. Added incentive: he says he expects this to be an open seat as Chris Murphy runs for Senate.

FL-17: Newly elected Frederica Wilson is already challenging the old ways of the House... going after the long-standing prohibition against wearing hats on the House floor. She says it's "sexist," saying that women's indoor hat use is different from men's. Wilson owns at least 300 hats, she says. (If Regina Thomas ever makes it to the House, maybe the Hat Caucus can gain some momentum.)

MD-01: Recently-defeated Frank Kratovil seems like one of the likeliest losses to run again in 2012, especially since the Dem-controlled Maryland legislature is likely to serve him up a much Dem-friendlier district (as many of our in-house mapmakers have suggested). He isn't saying yes yet, but says he will "consider" it.

NH-02: Another possible re-run is Ann McLane Kuster, who performed pretty well in a narrow loss to Charlie Bass in the open 2nd. There have been lots of Beltway rumors that her run is imminent, and some are pointing to encouragement straight from the White House for her to try again.

NY-01: We've essentially finished the absentee ballot count, and the news is very good here: Tim Bishop, after leading by only 15 last night, is now leading by a comparatively-gargantuan 235 with all absentees counted. However, we're nowhere near a resolution, as attention now turns to the court battle over 2,000 challenged ballots (Randy Altschuler has challenged 1,261, while Bishop has challenged 790). Still, Bishop's spokesperson is saying they're "very confident" that they've won this one.

NY-23: Yeesh, Bill Owens is actually saying he might vote for John Boehner for Speaker or abstain instead of Nancy Pelosi when it comes to a floor vote, saying Pelosi is too liberal. (This despite saying he voted for her, rather than Heath Shuler, in the caucus vote.) Also, not that it matters at this point, but this race wound up being closer than the Election Day count indicated: Matt Doheny picked up 1,982 previously-unknown votes in the recanvass of Fulton County, taking Owens' margin down to 1,795 overall, and making it all the clearer that we owe this victory entirely to 3rd-party bearer-of-cat-fud Doug Hoffman.

Odds and ends: The Fix has a massive list of people considering rematches in 2012, most of which we've already dealt with before (including Kuster and Kratovil, above). Other names that we haven't listed include Brad Ellsworth (either for Gov, Senate, or his old IN-08), Christine O'Donnell in Delaware (not unexpected, since she runs every 2 years anyway), Glenn Nye, and Allen Boyd (despite his losing very thoroughly to Steve Southerland).

AL-St. House: The inevitable realignment at the legislative level in Alabama finally happened, and happened all at once instead of slow drips. Four conservative Democrats in the state House changed to the GOP, bringing the GOP numbers up to not just a majority but a supermajority in one fell swoop. The Madison County (Huntsville) Clerk also announced her switch, too.

CA-AG: At this point, it's all over but the shouting in the AG race, as Kamala Harris now leads Steve Cooley by 43,000 votes (with 500K votes still left to count). While the AP hasn't called it, LA Weekly has decided it's a done deal.

Chicago mayor: Roland Burris has aparently thrown his well-traveled hat into the ring for the Chicago mayoral race, as he'll need a new job in a week or so. Supporters filed his candidate paperwork yesterday, the deadline for filing (although he has yet to officially say that he's running). Somehow, I can only see this helping Rahm Emanuel, by further splitting the African-American vote (already divided between Danny Davis and another ex-Senator, Carol Mosely Braun).

Redistricting: There's been some sudden buzz about switching North Carolina to an independent redistricting commission (which, of course, has to do with the GOP seizing control of the state legislature). In what is not a surprise, though, the GOP has no interest in giving up its newfound power, saying that (despite a recent PPP poll showing wide support for such a commission) there isn't any time to move on the constitutional amendment that would create a commission (something that they generally supported up until, y'know, this month). Also on the redistricting front, check out the Fix's latest installment in its state-by-state series, focusing today on Indiana, where GOP control over the trifecta is likely to make things worse for IN-02's Joe Donnelly (just how much worse, we have yet to find out)... and, if they wanted to experiment with dummymanders, possibly IN-07's Andre Carson, too.

Demographics: Here's some interesting demographic slice-and-dice from the Washington Post: Dems increased their vote share in big counties (500K+) from 49% in 1994 to 54% this year, but lost even further in smaller counties, from 43% in 1994 to 39% this year. The districts the GOP won were disproportionately older, whiter, and less educated. And on a related note, check out these maps and the interesting ways they represent population density around the U.S. Note any similarities between these maps and where Democratic votes are concentrated?

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Hopefully, Kratovil doesn't run or loses the primary.


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Why?
I like Kratovil a lot. He was fairly conservative, but hardly the most conservative Democrat, and was a quite pragmatic figure. Maryland is a state, that should, in my opinion, be represented by 6 liberals, 1 conservative, and one moderate. There are no more moderate Republicans anymore, so Kratovil is the best person to fill in that void.  

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Given GOP control over Redistricting Country-wide
I'm not willing to sacrifice the chance at an eight strong liberal delegation based on some subjective assessment of what Maryland's representation "should" look like. As far as I'm concerned, the correct number of Republicans and Blue Dogs in Maryland "should" be 0.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Hear, hear.


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It's not fricking subjective
It's electorally correct, and even heavily biased towards Dems as it is. I'm sorry if I don't believe in the complete disenfranchisement of the 30% of Maryland's electorate that is conservative, I can't make myself do that. At a certain point I try to hold myself to a higher standard than Republicans. That means I fight hard, work hard for Democrats, take no BS, am a proud liberal, but I have standards that I'm not willing to compromise just because the other side does. And I think that in itself is a positive electoral strategy if Democrats knew how to market it harder.  

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Great response
n/t

30, male, MI-11 (previously VA-08). Evangelical, postconservative, green.

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I get where you are coming from.
Half of me wants to agree with you, but the other half says that the Republicans will be screwing us at every opportunity when it comes to redistricting, so we shouldn't help them by forcing on us a more conservative Democrat than is necessary. I'm not sure which part will win out in the end.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Success is the best revenge
I don't think Republicans can really gerrymander themselves to House control.

They controlled or got an even shake in the redistricting of 2001/02 just about everywhere between New York State, Florida, and California.  They added in the one worthwhile place where they were truly thwarted- Texas- in 2003.  They still lost badly in 2006 and 2008.  In 2010 the electorate is also substantially more- and more solidly- liberal Democratic and Modern than it was in 2000.

Republicans always make their dramatic House gains in midterm elections, probably because their voters are more evenly distributed across districts.  The Presidential election that follows they tend to lose the lucky or accidental or otherwise excessive House seats in Blue territory and pick up a couple swing or Red district ones they missed.  They make additional gains in Senate seats in those Presidential elections, though.

I think it's fairly predictable that there will be another Democratic 'wave' election in 2014 with followup in 2016.  The present bunch of elected Republicans seems perfectly willing to burn through their support at a record rate.  If it weren't for the relatively copious amount of stupidityfuel to burn built up in their focus area, economic policy, I'd say they'd be voted out in '12.    


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You don't
think it's possible that they could take back the House in 2012? I admit, it's pretty daunting, but I wonder if the Democrats will be held back because the things that will likely help Obama (a growing economy, or at least a better trajectory) will probably help incumbents as well. Then again, if the Democrats win 25 seats and still fall short, I am not sure if they can really be unhappy. I guess I'd rather more solid candidates who can win election even in tough circumstances if it takes two or three cycles, to whatever extent that is possible.

Of course, if Obama isn't fighting for his life, and his fund raising potential is strong, I hope he focuses on expanding the map by registering new voters and working on ground games in new states. That should help Democrats in a variety of ways. I'm not sure how likely it is that he'll have the electoral prowess to make this happen. I was talking to a friend at work today--an ABD in political science, not just some random schmuck--who among other things thinks that a lot of black voters will stay home after voting for Obama already and that the Republicans will have a significant fund raising advantage, but I am trying to be confident and hopeful. If nothing else, I suspect a lot of people that are disappointed with Obama now will come around once the Republican nominee starts saying all sorts of crazy and nonsensical things.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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I'm not buying blacks not voting
The evidence suggests his approval with AA voters is sky high and if anything they are pissed about how he is being treated. Not sure about fundraising. I guess outside groups will give them a lift but I doubt any advantage would be significant.

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Might there be some
falling off from the levels he reached in 2008? Sure. But that assumes that he's not able to bring new people into the process, or change some of the relatively unchanged minds from last time.

As far as fund raising, I was speaking about his own ability to raise money for his own campaign. As far as I understand it, the vast majority of the money he raised last time came from small donors. I don't know if he will have the same ability to raise money this time like he did in the last election, although I tend to be optimistic about this because his donor list is probably composed of base voters who aren't going to abandon him like some other groups. While there's no guarantee that all of them wil contribute with such force, he's got a lot of room to raise a lot of money from a relatively small number of people. Plus, there's always the possibility of attracting new donors.

Perhaps more than anything, will the Republican nominee experience the same level of fund raising prowess than Obama has? It's certainly possible, but I am not sure how likely. Will John Thune, Mitch Daniels, or Mitt Romney inspire the same sort of devotion that Obama inspires?

Outside groups will certainly play a role, but they aren't the same thing as a candidate being able to raise a lot of money quickly. Recall, for instance, that the Obama campaign raised a whopping $10 million in a 24-hour period following McCain picking Palin as his running mate. Plus, more and better independent groups are being worked on for the Democratic side for the next election. I don't know if they will exactly meet the Republican results, but they'll probably get a lot closer than they did in this last election.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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Obama needs to look like more of a leader
as I see it, more than money.  The voters he needs don't respond to the soft liberalism that defined his 2008 coalition anymore.  The standard he will be held to will be giving answers, not promises or excuses.

Obama coattails were limited in '08.  I think we can regain about ten House seats, depending on redistricting and candidates, in '12.  But Republicans will target the remaining Red district Blue Dogs- and they seem to have figured out the formula that will defeat most of them.  Can't say I like the picture in the Senate.

I think black voters are sticking by Obama and will show up for him again en masse in '12.  After that...I don't like what I'm seeing happen on dKos in the Obama Wars there.  People posting there who strike me as AA voters/activists are pretty uniformly coming down for Obama and pushing for a lowering of expectations in pursuing the Left-liberal Democratic agenda further.  Even a disinterest in that agenda.  They feel he's done enough and perhaps doesn't need to do much more than oppose the hardline Republicans  They've stopped quoting MLK.  There's a conservative current there that doesn't thrill me.


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You really think his coattails
were limited in 2008? Why do you say that? Do you feel that he helped few people, or that he didn't help enough? Remember that that was the second wave election in two cycles, so a lot of the low hanging fruit was already taken.

If you can, please elaborate more on the situation you are referring to regarding Daily Kos.

It could easily be hard to motivate black voters to vote for someone who isn't black in later years, but I am not really sure what to think. I know I'd like to bring as many new voters into the process while we still have a black guy at the top of the ticket so that we don't have to struggle as much in years when he's not there. They might not always come back, but it's probably easier to get them to be part of the process after they vote once.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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No Unilateral Disarmament
I can guarantee you that nobody drawing up this stuff in all the various Republican states talks like this.  

36, M, Democrat, MD-03

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Well, on the other hand,
just remember not to go so far as to create a dummymander.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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His behavior during the healthcare debacle is unforgiveable.
He and his ilk stalled a decent bill for weeks, voted against it when it finally came to the floor, then ran against it and their own party this campaign season.

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Is there anyway to block out someone's post on here?
I wish it were so.  

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Oh, please
Pelosi & Hoyer gave Kratovil a pass on health care. If they really needed his vote he would have been there, but there was no point in forcing him to cast a suicidal vote when it was passing anyway without his vote.

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I always felt that
Kratovil would vote more to the left if his district allowed it.  Remember, this was the Congressman that a small group of teabaggers hung in effigy back in Aug. 2009.  I hope to heck he makes a comeback in a more secure seat and finishes off Harris once and for all.

I think he'll run again after redistricting.  He and Hoyer apparently are friends (I think through Kratovil's father, a judge) and that's not going to evaporate.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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What If?
My next project when I have time, and finish my last one about the Baltimore States' Attorney election, is to go over the MD-01 election and see just how much the district would need to have changed to have changed the result. (The most obvious first add is the City of Annapolis; if Sarbanes needs more help after that, Cummings has a few heavily Democratic but non-majority-black precincts in either Baltimore or Columbia he can afford to part with.) Obviously that's going to involve some speculation as to what the replacement precincts would have done.

One challenge from a pragmatic point of view is not to create a situation where you have a super-polarized district, where the Democratic primary winner would tend to be rejected by a bloc of voters on the Shore who'd be willing to support some Democrats but not the sort of Democrat (be he or she black, white, or something else) who caters mostly to Baltimore City or Prince George's County voters.

Superficially if you're drawing these lines with the App...it may feel better to have that 58O-42M number when you finish your work. But that may not actually be optimal.


36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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It seems to me that the way to avoid
that danger is to not try to make a Democratic district out of the eastern shore. Rather, carve one out of Montgomery, Frederick, and Howard (for example).

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East, West, and Middle
If you're trying to draw a 7-1 map, there are three big obstacles.
a. Garrett, Allegany, and most of Washington and Frederick
b. Carroll, northern and northeast Baltimore County, central and northern Harford
c. The Eastern Shore

(St. Mary's and Calvert plus the further out corners of Charles County aren't great either, and neither are the coastal parts of Anne Arundel apart from Annapolis, but those are more easily dealt with.)

In the one district conceded you can either combine A and B or B and C. (I saw one map that combined A and C with a narrow strip along the PA border to connect them; not sure that makes any practical sense.)

The reason why so many of us are trying to attach the Shore to a Democratic district are twofold:
1. Frank Kratovil.
2. If you ignore the City of Frederick, Western Maryland is more hostile to Dems than the Shore. (And so are the most peripheral Baltimore exurbs in Zone B.)

36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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Indeed
Thus my proposal to sink the eastern shore within Baltimore, creating a majority black district. The numbers work!  

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I don't give a damn that he got a "free pass."
Plenty of other vulnerable Democrats (e.g. Grayson, Shea-Porter, Periello, etc.) stood up for the bill.  Do the right thing instead of trying to save your own ass.

And even if I did care how supposed free passes, Kratovil still ran against his party and its proposals.

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It's all that simple:
TheUnknown285 hates bitterly all "conservadems". Even if they are the only one who can wrest a seat from Republicans. He will better lose everything possible and some impossible too to Republicans (but preserve "ideological purity of the party") then vice versa))))

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As much as I disagree with user TheUnknown285
s/he's respectful of the rules here -- and of people here in general -- and is representative of a significant bloc of progressives. It is important to keep the reactions of such purists in mind.

Given a binary choice, I prefer reverse teabaggers like that user every time.


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Tha's your choice
I dislike any purists: both right-wing and left-wing. May be right-wing slightly more, but only slightly. In general they are mirror images of each other for me...

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That may be so
but keep in mind that right-wing purists are on average far more obnoxious in their beliefs and their methods.

(And I'm someone who actually likes conservadems, saying this.)

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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I wouldn't say that
It's more that right wing purists have a political influence that is about 1000 times greater than left wing purists.

Left wing purists are quite obnoxious, its just that nobody cares or notices them.


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Perhaps
because the dem party isn't stupid enough to listen to liberal purist like Republicans are with right wing purists. How did listening to conservative purist do ya in Colorado, Delaware, and Nevada?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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That's a bit shortsighted, isn't it?
The right wing has always wielded larger influence long before 2010. Take a look at how Harriett Miers went down, and how things like NAFTA and Bart Stupak's amendment and such go down.

I'm not sure what I think yet of Jim Demint and his philosophy. He takes it to an extreme, sure. I think a couple Senate seats in today's 60 vote environment don't particularly matter one way or another, and if that's the price they pay for a lesson in what type of candidate to run, then I guess they pay it.

I don't think Bush's 2004 coalition can work again. They obviously need to find a new strategy to win in some of these states.


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I'm
not denying purists have much more influence than dems, I'm just saying it's not a good thing for the Republican party. You don't go to many left leaning purist sites do you? Some of them (FDL) advocate impeaching Obama because he's not liberal enough. The dems (wisely) do not to listen to a whole lot of purist activist, there is a reason many netroots hate Obama. Some not all, there are still many sane dems in the blogosphere. The purist are only a small fraction. OK. Sure. If you think DeMint and Redstate are good for your party then good luck with that. I can't think of any specific example of specific races that dem purist have screwed up for us. The very active conservative purists have screwed up many races for many of you guys.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Insert
right wing between denying and purists  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I can think of one
Nancy Pelosi's speakership. There's a reason Tom Delay never became Speaker of the House. Obviously they just double downed on her.

Just ask Allen Boyd.

Boyd told The Hill that leaving Pelosi as the public face of the caucus would undermine candidate recruitment efforts in 2012.

"I don't know how you recruit for some of these seats," said Boyd. "How are you going to recruit somebody to run - a moderate, Blue Dog Democrat - to run down there? Can't do it."

Or Carol Shea Porter

In New Hampshire's 1st district, Rep. Carol Shea-Porter (D) lost a battle against Frank Guinta (R), who featured Pelosi in multiple attack ads.

"I am considering running again," she told Roll Call this week, confirming that President Barack Obama called her campaign shortly after the loss. She also allowed that Republicans effectively used Pelosi to beat Democrats in races across the Granite State.

Or Gene Taylor

Taylor, who rarely voted with Democrats on major issues, said he probably would not consider running again, in large part because of the potential drag of Pelosi and Obama.

"It was bad enough, and she wasn't even on the ballot," he said. "She was obviously a factor. I just don't think I want to be on the ballot with Barack Obama in Mississippi in 2012."

Or Brad Ellsworth

Unsuccessful Senate candidate Rep. Brad Ellsworth said Pelosi was absolutely a factor in his defeat, judging by the ads seeking to tie him to her. The Indiana Democrat said his decision to run for his old seat could also be affected by whether she stays or goes.

"You'd have to determine you could overcome that," he said.

Now I admit its not the same thing. Pelosi was chosen by some 110 or so liberal members of Congress and not the public at large.

Getting back to the original point, I don't think its necessarily a good thing, no. I do think though there is a lesson to be learned here. There is a reason why a bunch of the establishmentarian types won primaries (Ayotte, Blunt, Coats), and some did not (Castle). Tough to say what it is.

As long as the conservative base is mobilized by anger, well, there is going to be some friendly fire until people figure it out. I think the movement has peaked, though; I don't see as many people getting 'teabagged' in 2012, as you lefties put it.


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I agree actually.
Once people see how these "teabaggers" actually do in office, the movement might likely lose steam, so to speak. If they see that their taxes in fact did not go down and we have major gridlock or another 1995-style shutdown, then there might be some buyers' remorse come 2012. The voters that voted for the "teabaggers" might vote against them, and maybe Snowe, Lugar, Walter Jones, etc. might not have to sweat it out in primaries. I actually hope that is the case. Polarization has never helped regular people.

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Considering how many people think Obama
and the Democrats raised their taxes, when they actually significantly lowered them for everyone making less than $200,000, maybe all those ignorant, duped people will believe the Republicans lowered their taxes when they actually increased them. How many people do you think realized Reagan raised their taxes back in the 80s?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I
thought you said you think liberal purists had no power, now your saying they are responsible for Nancy Pelosi? First off, no plain and simply no there not. She was chosen by a coalition of moderate and conservative dems. I'll admit I want Pelosi gone but I don't think she played a very big role in the election. Of course losing candidates are going to look for someone to blame, not surprising in the slightest. Christine O'Donnell says her loss is because of moderate Republicans, losing candidates are always looking for someone to blame. We've got a pro-life moderate as Senate Majority Leader. We lost six Senate seats. Normal voters don't care about party leaders, though like I said I want a new minority leader.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Interesting
I looked up the vote, it looks like she beat Steny Hoyer back in 2001.

This is from an article 9 years ago. Strangely prophetic

http://articles.sfgate.com/200...

Pelosi won the job of Democratic whip by a 118-95 vote this morning over Maryland Rep. Steny Hoyer.

Hoyer, her opponent, had expressed concern that a San Francisco Democrat would have a hard time appealing to moderate and rural voters across the country.

Asked whether her election might send out a message that the party was too liberal, Pelosi brandished her new whip with a smile.

"I don't know why you say that," she said. Pelosi went on to say that the liberal-conservative divide was an old formula that overlooked the Bay Area's entrepreneurial spirit.

"It's in the air we breathe. It's in the water we drink." Pelosi said.

Democratic Leader Dick Gephardt, D-Missouri, who stood by Pelosi's side, said said it was a misunderstanding to think of the House Democrats as dominated by liberals.

He noted that Pelosi won this morning's election with the support of centrist Democrats from across the country, and said that "with her leadership and help, we will win back the House."

Among Pelosi's key moderate supporters was Rep. Gary Condit, who was a founder of the centrist Blue Dog coalition inside the House.

"This is not a philosophical vote for Nancy," said Condit, who was wearing a red "Nancy" button on his lapel. "She knows how to run the place."

That was, of course, Bush's 90% approval days. She did a really good job at pre-empting the San Francisco liberal angle for a few years.


[ Parent ]
You
never answered my question last question, please do so.

I thought you said you think liberal purists had no power, now your saying they are responsible for Nancy Pelosi?

Now let me provide you what would have been said of a Speaker Hoyer. "A liberal thug from the DC suburbs way away from the heartland of middle America" You'd still see the fire Hoyer bus and here how Congressman so and so votes with Hoyer 95% of the time. People voted GOP because of economic and other woes, not Nancy Pelosi. We would have lost the same number of seats with just as liberal Hoyer, you have no evidence to prove otherwise and the GOP would have done to Hoyer exactly what they did to Pelosi.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


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Having
Having the power to elect a speaker of the House isn't the same thing as having the power to enact that agenda. I didn't say they had 0 power, just that they had less power.

That's why the Stupak guys make a fuss. That's why the public option dies. That's why the Bush tax cuts, like them or not, are almost certain to be extended for some duration, imo. That's why Guantanemo Bay is open and the Patriot Act endures.

I only provide my own opinion, and the opinion of all the losers involved above. Mike Fitzpatrick basically put up 1 ad: Murphy, Pelosi, liberal. Pat Meehan had the same ad. Jon Runyan had the same ad. Pat Toomey had the same ad. If you keep her around, those ads are going to be recycled.

Hoyer is simply not as wooden or dislikeable when he talks. He's not as liberal, and because he's a man, he wouldn't have been inherently as famous.


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Here's a Meehan Ad
I've seen this 100 times or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Obama and Biden were both in town fundraising around that time. They're barely mentioned.


[ Parent ]
Here's a Meehan Ad
I've seen this 100 times or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Obama and Biden were both in town fundraising around that time. They're barely mentioned.


[ Parent ]
And also
using Nancy Pelosi to scare off rural moderates and conservatives? Just ask Congressman Tim Burns how well that worked.

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About the same as how well it worked
Running against scary Republicans that the electorate like even less than Democrats. It was the economy. And it IS getting better.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/2...


[ Parent ]
Close to the magic 400k mark
cited by user DCCyclone as a leading indicator of true progress on unemployment.

Sounds like optimism w/r/t black Friday to me, assuming the numbers are "seasonally adjusted".


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it worked well in a lot of districts
Nobody claimed that the anti Pelosi message had a 1.000 batting average.

But I think if you look at the 80 or so competitive districts it did work in quite a few of them.

Mike Fitzpatrick used it pretty well in SE PA.


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Shrug
A lot of Democratic soon to be former Congressmen think it worked.

There's no denying that Pelosi is a bigger target than Steny Hoyer.


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Why do you think Hoyer
wouldn't have been just as vilified by the Republicans?

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Because
He's not from San Francisco.

And I don't think he would say stuff like this:

"But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it"

If Boehner learns one thing from Gingrich and Pelosi, hopefully, its to keep his trap shut.


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Remember Wright?
He was from Texas, and he was vilified hard by the Republicans. Before the corruption charges came out.

Also, that quote is taken out of context, as you probably know.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Of course it is
Quotes are often taken out of context in political campaigns. Just ask Alan Grayson.

I'm too young to remember Jim Wright, but I remember Hastert and Delay. Nobody talked about Hastert much because he never did anything, and Delay, of course, wasn't speaker.


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I have to think
that anyone who really makes a decision based on what Nancy Pelosi says or does is probably not going to vote for a Democrat anyway. Sure, it could make a difference as far as turnout, but was Nancy Pelosi really the reason that Republican turnout was so great this year? Was Obama? Maybe that was part of it, but I think Jesus Christ himself would have been made into a caricature of a legislator by the Republicans, especially if he were effective. And it's not like she has done anything unethical, let alone illegal.

If there were someone who promised to be as effective as she has been but wouldn't have the same negatives, I'd certainly go along with a change. But that is far from clear.



"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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the new york times
says the following. Hard to disagree.

Ms. Pelosi announced on Friday that she would seek the post of House minority leader. That job is not a good match for her abilities in maneuvering legislation and trading votes, since Democrats will no longer be passing bills in the House. What they need is what Ms. Pelosi has been unable to provide: a clear and convincing voice to help Americans understand that Democratic policies are not bankrupting the country, advancing socialism or destroying freedom.

If Ms. Pelosi had been a more persuasive communicator, she could have batted away the ludicrous caricature of her painted by Republicans across the country as some kind of fur-hatted commissar jamming her diktats down the public's throat. Both Ms. Pelosi and Harry Reid, the Senate majority leader, are inside players who seem to visibly shrink on camera when defending their policies, rarely connecting with the skeptical independent voters who raged so loudly on Tuesday.

The reason for high turnout is frustration with the current economic state and the perception of big government liberal policies over the past year. Pelosi is the face of that, like it or not.

She's less popular than Dick Cheney for a reason.


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She's less popular
than Dick Cheney because nobody has relentlessly attacked Dick Cheney for months on end. Also, Dick Cheney isn't in office any more, so he's rarely in the news.

I'm curious, exactly what could Pelosi have done to beat back the messaging about her considering the economic climate we are in? And if it hadn't been her, but someone else, say from Missouri or Connecticut, would it make made much of a difference? If so, why?

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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moved to a different district
Other than that, nothing. She doesn't have the personality for it. Dick Cheney was never able to shed his Sith Lord persona.

Interesting you mention Missouri, because Gephardt was from there. And he made some decent strides in trying to show and claim that the Democrats were not a liberal party.

There are certain things that happen in the Bay area that conservative and lean conservative people hate. At the top of the list for me are those Berkeley school protests over tuition hikes. I don't think its a good idea to behave like the Greeks as the Greeks are going bankrupt.

Things like this simply feed conservative turnout, imo. I did not vote in 2006 myself.


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I actually
thought of Gephardt the other day and how he'd be handling all of this.

Anyway, I agree that the San Fran label makes her an easy target, but they'd find a way to attack anyone who takes that job. Would things be that drastically different if Pelosi had the same exact ideology but lived in Colorado? I don't think so.

And she doesn't have the personality for what? For going against her image? Or something else? I'm not sure of what your point is here.

I think part of Dick Cheney's appeal was that he never appeared to be the absolute monster a lot of people, like me, sometimes think he is. I remember someone saying before his debate with John Edwards that as long as he doesn't come out on stage and eat a live baby, he'll be fine. Which is kind of what happened, because whatever you think of the ideas he expressed, he didn't come across terribly. He looked more or less normal, which wasn't what a lot of people might have expected based on what was being said.

On related note, I'm almost want her to stay as minority leader because it'd finally be a way for the Democrats to beat back the outrageous accusations that because she's from a big city on the coast, she's somehow less American than someone else. Her values aren't really any better or worse than those of someone living in a rural area in Texas or Oklahoma, despite what some want you to believe; they are just different. I realize life isn't fair, but it really, really isn't fair that people claim they are purer and more patriotic than her just because they believe in certain ideals and get away with it.

I have very, very few things that are nice to say about any of the current Republican leaders or those of the recent past. I think their priorities are messed up. I loathe their style of campaigning. I think they are hypocrites to an absurd degree. And an astonishing number of them are unethical, if not outright corrupt in their practices. But I don't think they hate their country, unlike what a lot of conservatives think about people like me.

Anyway, why are you mentioning tuition hikes and protests? What does that have to do with anything?  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


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a few things
This is probably my last post on this, but:

Gephardt was always a more conservative political type than Pelosi is. He voted in favor the  Reagan tax cuts, and was once pro-life. What did he do in 2002 after the poor Democratic midterm showing? He resigned his spot.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb...

"But I decided yesterday that I needed to change -- that I needed to change what I was doing -- change is good, it's positive, it's energizing -- and the caucus needed change; they needed new leadership to bring new slants and new views on issues. I think it's going to be good for everybody and I'm excited about what I'm doing."

IMO, the way Pelosi talks just sounds a lot less genuine than your average joe or even average politician. A lot of Congressmen have this problem. She doesn't appear as friendly like Tip O'neill. Tip, by the way, was also targeted by Republicans, but held a 60% approval rating when he left even while the Democrats were getting shellacked in Presidential elections. So its not always the case that liberal Speakers will get effectively targeted.

I mention tuition hike protests because it feeds the negative thinking conservatives have of the San Francisco Area. Pelosi also says a lot of things that feedback any negative perceptions of her being a latte liberal. Things like calling birth control stimulus.

I found this interesting, though.

"On related note, I'm almost want her to stay as minority leader because it'd finally be a way for the Democrats to beat back the outrageous accusations that because she's from a big city on the coast, she's somehow less American than someone else."

I'm not sure why you'd want this. I see the gain for Pelosi and her ego. I don't see the gain for Obama or the Democratic party or liberalism as a whole. There are ~150 safe Democratic Congressmen who could also serve as party leader.


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Tip O'Neill existed in a less partisan time
And using Gephardt as an example is ridiculous given that he ran for president immediately after resigning as minority leader, his call for "change" was basically a crock.

And no one who is a persuadable voter is voting based on who the House (or Senate) Leader of either party is. The ones who give a damn are already voting for or against the Democrat running). The ones who keep saying that Nancy Pelosi is an electoral liability are the ones who frankly don't have a clue about real electoral politics.

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Your description was hilariously done on SNL a week ago
What I will say on the subject of Pelosi is that she was so easy to vilify because the House was the only apparatus doing what it should be doing.  The Senate and WH were both complete failures in messaging and accomplishments.  She is easy to attack because she the only who did her job and when you get left out the in cold by Reid and Obama, it makes her the scapegoat for things like Cap and Trade.  She pumped out the bills like she should have and then we let them all get filibustered in the Senate without raising a huff.

If everyone had worked as hard as the House did, we would have been in a lot better shape right now and people would have seen us getting stuff done instead of endless debate about issues on tv.  The House got HCR done by early fall and it took the Senate till winter, unacceptable.


[ Parent ]
Let me ask you this:
how were the Democrats able to gain so many seats in 2006 and 2008 with Pelosi as their leader, if she's so deadly to their chances?

The link below is pretty old, but it sums up what I believe is still the case: about half the country doesn't really have an opinion on her (or Reid, for that matter). (If you've got newer numbers, please share them). Simply put, I find it hard to believe that she's a lead weight for the Democrats when half the country doesn't register an opinion on her.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-50...

I will say she is a motivating force for some voters, but those voters--hardcore conservatives--would be motivated to vote against any Democrat who is at the top of the Democratic party. Their time honored strategy of relentlessly attacking whomever is a Democratic leader to put a face on all of the alleged socialism the Democrats are responsible for in order to motivate Republicans would have happened regardless of whom was Speaker when the Democrats controlled the House. She could have cured cancer and they would have tried to destroy her.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I totally agree: Pelosi is not the problem.
The Republican leadership are the problem, because they will simply throw shit at whoever is a convenient Democratic leader to cover in shit.

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I somehow doubt
conservatives who weren't going to turnout will suddenly do so because they dislike the Bay Area.

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And at least in California
Republicans are even less liked than "San Francisco liberals"!

"Controversial liberal icons like Jerry Brown, Barbara Boxer and Gavin Newsom all winning decisively [and also Kamala Harris narrowly prevailing] - that's remarkable," the GOP consultant says. "These are not generic Democrats. They're prickly Bay Area liberals.

"Being a liberal from San Francisco is not a negative anymore. Being a Republican is a greater liability."



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[ Parent ]
Well,
there's also anti-purist purism.  In my opinion it's just as obnoxious and dreary.  And possibly even less productive.  Just sayin'.

[ Parent ]
Well. i have a lot of arguments
why any purism is bad, but we are here not to discuss politics per se, but do the horseracing, don't we?? So i will simoly say that you are as entitled (and, probably, correct) to your opinion as i am to mine...

[ Parent ]
Really?
Can you link to that set of rules? Respectful of others? Yeah, profanity laced messages really shows a respect for others.

The other purists on this site can at least offer something other than a f-bomb every other sentence.


[ Parent ]
Errr
That should say "the other purists on this site can at least offer an opinion by using something other than a f-bomb every other sentence".

I might disagree with TheUnknown, but he does offer some analysis. Sometimes it not the message, it's how it is presented.


[ Parent ]
"F-bombs" have different meanings
I note the moderators here are more active than any other site I know. If s/he had violated any of the --unwritten-- rules severely, I'm sure user TheUnknown285 would no longer be a member here. (I do wish the people who run this site would put their rules in writing.)

As for the "F-bomb" question, it's something that certainly would be disrespectful in some audiences. But I dare say that it's --relatively-- "common usage" with many who post here, and as such, is --just-- a way they make their points.


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LOL.
You see, we "purists" actually give a fuck about policy and aren't interested in playing superficial, partisan games and treating elections as a substitute for fantasy football.  A so-called "Democrat" that votes for homophobic discrimination or against universal healthcare is no better than a Republican.  I'd much rather have the face of homophobia or misanthropy be a conservative, Republican face.

The kowtowing to a mythical "center" has done nothing but make the Democratic Party into a spineless mass of protoplasm afraid to offer up any real change from the status quo and even more afraid to pass it.  And the so-called "big tent" has made the Democratic Party into a circus, unable to put forth a message and unable to pass an agenda.

The silver lining to the clusterfuck that was this whole meeting of Congress and its subsequent election is that the Republicans took out most of our garbage.  Hopefully, the Democrats will learn from our mistakes and quit offering up a circus, complete with a "big tent."

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[ Parent ]
"treating elections as a substitute for fantasy football."
But that's one of the most fun parts of it!

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[ Parent ]
Why do you even come here then?
Let alone post. SSP is ALL about what you rail against. And frankly it is offensive for you to suggest people don't care about issues - we just try to stick to strict site policy as closely as possible and not discuss such things.

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Open Question
Which GOP incumbent won with the highest percentage in a district that Obama won (shouldn't include, being unopposed), is it longtime Rep. Tom Petri (R-WI-6) that won with 71% of the vote?

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

Speaking of Petri
With the departure of Mike Castle, is Petri the most liberal Republican left in Congress?

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Most liberal
According to Progressive Punch, the most liberal Republican in the House for the current session is Walter Jones of North Carolina.  Jones cast a "progressive" vote 25.41% of the time in crucial situations.  Ron Paul has the highest lifetime score for a House Republican (24.91).  That comes from votes on civil liberties and war.

Petri ranks 15th lifetime and is not in the top 20 for the past session.

For the past session the top 5 are: Jones, Vern Ehlers, Ron Paul, Tim Johnson and Joe Cao.  Ehlers is retiring and Djou was defeated this month.

The highest Progressive Punch score for a Republican belongs to Susan Collins, albeit in the Senate, at 26.02.

The most conservative Democrat, Bobby Bright, has a 19.67 score,  He was defeated for re-election.

In each of the past three elections, Republicans lost 6 or 7 of their 20 most moderate House members.  Unfortunately, favorites like Sherwood Boehlert and Jim Leach are gone and getting less plausible with each election cycle.


[ Parent ]
"In each of the past three elections, Republicans lost 6 or 7 of their 20 most moderate House members."
This is something you should stress when you're talking to your moderate but on-the-fence or unmotivated-to-vote friends.

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[ Parent ]
I wouldn't be surprised to see Jones get teabagged.


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He'd switch to the Democratic party
where he used to be, where his dad was, and win that district easily.

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He could never win a Democratic primary


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Elaborate please.
when I lived in that district (NC-03), the D establishment never seemed especially liberal. And if I remember right, Jones does make a pro-Environment vote now and then, to respect the coastal areas.

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Jones is a true Southern gentleman
A survey of Hill staffers for Washingtonian magazine named him as the second nicest Member of Congress--#1 was Lois Capps (D, CA-23). Being a nice guy, though, doesn't make him a Democrat. Since he changed parties the first time after losing the Democratic primary in NC-01 in 1992, he has cast hundreds of votes that would be fatal to him in a Democratic primary--to start with, he voted to impeach President Clinton and he voted against Health Care Reform.

He knows that becoming a Democrat isn't an option.


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I don't think any of those votes would stop Ds from voting for him
given his political heroism on Iraq -- and the relatively moderate nature of the Ds in the district.

But that's just a guess.


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VT state house rep wins recount
by one vote.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress...

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.


Democrats held out pretty well there
I'm surprised an incumbent GOPer lost though. Surprising. I thought the last few cycles had brought them down to just their core districts; to lose one of them in this kind of environment...

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Just wondering
 Off the top of your head, are there any elections that were officially tied (excluding a city race with populations less than 150,000?) State legislature seats, regardless of size count though.  

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AZ
There was a state legislative race in Arizona that was tied and eventually decided by a poker hand back in the 90s. The winner was Richard Kyle if I'm not mistaken.

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Hilarious
881-880! Can my apartment building in NYC get an assemblyman....?

22, Male, Conservative Republican, anti-teabag, NY-8

[ Parent ]
Move to New Hampshire
Some NYC apartment buildings might get two General Court members. :)

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Check out her website
http://votesarahbuxton.com/

At the bottom is a picture of her in a field with a rainbow in the background (for real, not photoshop).

Yeah, anyway, it seems that VT had a realignment of its own.  And to think, it was considered controversial there once when Gov. Dean made it the first state to recognize same-sex civil unions.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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She also supports single payer.
^_^

So does Shumlin.  VT is on its way to good times.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Shumlin's created an interesting potential problem
that your comment kind of signifies.  the base wants single payer.  he ran on single payer, in both the primary and the GENERAL which is pretty amazing.  if he doesn't try to pass it, it's likely that a Progressive will challenge him.  if does pass it, there could be a reaction from the moderates and conservatives in 2012 or, more likely 2014 or 2016.  finally, if he tries to pass it, but fails, things could be as bad for him as they were for obama, except he'd be on the ballot.

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Well, I'm sure
the legislature with their lopsided majorities will only be too happy to pass it.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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maybe
but i'm skeptical.  for one, there's the question of whether they're even allowed too.  two, this would be a MAJOR change that a lot of them probably wouldn't ant to force on the state at once.  three, the economy and the budget are the big issues right now, so they may be focused on that.  four, shumlin has been bringing in econ moderates to his team, so that might have other signals.  finally, if he does pass it, it'll be a make or break moment for single payers.  if it doesn't work, that failure, boosted by the media machine will probably make single payer in the US, even in other states, next to, if not impossible.

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Yes, ERISA might sue.
That's what's been preventing the implementation of single payer in the past.  However, the health care law will give states ERISA waivers starting in early 2016 if they need them (Wyden and Scott Brown want to pass an amendment to move it from 2016 to 2014).

Or they could stand up to ERISA and try to win.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
This issue is overblown...
San Francisco has Single Payer and no one has even tried an ERISA lawsuit.  Single payer would only violate ERISA if the state tried to somehow invervene directly with employee benefits.  As long as the state does not interfere with and employer trying to provide health benefits to an employee, then there really isn't a legal issue.

[ Parent ]
If the Brown-Wyden bill passes
I think single payer will probably work in Vermont. The federal funding is what will do it, since the lack of that has pretty much been the only thing holding Medicaid back. As long as it brings down costs, it'll help Shumlin, and it will be a big boost to the single payer movement. If it's projected that it won't bring down costs (unlikely, especially in a relatively well off state like Vermont), the law says they can't pass it anyway.

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[ Parent ]
still all of the cost cutting claims
are in theory, just like the theories on how cutting the deficit will bring in jobs.  i'll believe it when i see it.  to keep this on elections, if, as shumlin's critics claim, single payer passes and is paid for through raised taxes, this could erode his moderate support.  he doesn't need much (about 1/3) but it could be enough to lose, when it comes into effect.

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[ Parent ]
calling "cutting the deficit will bring in jobs" a theory is being too kind
Nothing more than dumb right-wing nonsense.

[ Parent ]
Yeeeaaah.
Watch this "theory" be "put to the test" here in Texas as the legislature has fun closing the $25 billion shortfall.

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[ Parent ]
If that doesn't help
TX Dems swing back after this cycle, nothing will.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
You're right on that
Shumlin made this simple ad making it clear what he supported:

LOL, he can't draw an arrow.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I was just also wondering
from reading your comments below, you seem like a fairly Democratically inclined person, so I was simply curious why you were such an active volunteer and supporter of Brian Dubie? I ask this because my impression of him hasn't been of a milquetoast moderate, like Jim Douglas, (who is fairly conservative as successful Vermont Republicans go, and showed his true collars a bit more in battles with the state legislature once he announced he wasn't running for reelection), but as a rather conservative Republican, even if he still is lackluster and soft-spoken.  

[ Parent ]
I'mcloser to a republican in VT
and nationally an indie or dem.  dems here are more economically liberal than I am and since no republican would be able to make the laws more socially conservative (i'm fairly socially liberal) I'm closer to VT republicans.  I'm skeptical of single payer, not sure on the merits of shumlin's pre-k idea or adding more to the education bill when it's already the largest chunk of the budget by far and I think the taxes here should be lowered.  figuring dubie would wisely steer clear of social issues, I thought he would move the size and range of Vermont's government closer to my median than shumlin would.  

Nationally, I could probably be a republican IF two things happened.  the tea party went away, or at least had a smarter argument and the anti-gay, "oh noes a mosque", let's vote for bristol on DWTS wing went away.

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May have seen this already...
But the Deseret News in Utah did a story talking about how some transplants to Utah became Democrats just because of how far right the Republicans in Utah are compared to elsewhere.

http://www.deseretnews.com/art...

I don't consider myself THAT liberal, but I honestly can't see myself moving anywhere in the country where Dems would be too far to the left for me. I'd be more upset by local corruption and dominance like you see in places like Gary and New Orleans then anything else, but since Republicans aren't much better in most those places its a wash.

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[ Parent ]
There's (Possibly) a 1-Vote Race in the MA State House
Incumbent Democrat Gerardo Alicea (D-Charlton) appears to lead GOP challenger Peter Durant by a single vote in the 6th Worcester (that's the county; none of the city of that name is here) District.  

Blue Mass group article on the subject.

It's an interesting district from an observer's point of view. It's the whole city of Southbridge, the whole towns of Charlton and East Brookfield, half of Spencer, and a third of Oxford. Essentially it's a collection of the some of the most Republican towns in the state plus heavily Democratic Southbridge. I don't know Alicea's background but Southbridge has a sizable Hispanic population and I bet Alicea's name helps him there, even though he lives in Charlton.

The Republicans picked up three nearby seats and already held two others. Of six seats to cover areas south of Worcester, there's actually only one Democrat left, from Milford. Map drawers in the Bay State are used to "cracking" Republicans; I wonder if they'll concede seats and opt to "pack" some of Republican towns together and try to string together some of the more Democratic towns down there.    

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[ Parent ]
I don't know why
people are still talking about the GOP going crazy and trying to mess with IN-07. Mitch Daniels already all but excluded that possibility in his statement that he wants redistricting to be done fairly and transparently. I'm not even sure Republicans will radically alter IN-02, they may just slip it around IN-01 and have it take in Terre Haute, which would help them hold onto IN-08 more easily.

Anyway, what's the deal with strange, big vote fluctuations in NY? First Bishop leads by 4000+ on election night only to have that completely wiped out by some weird tabulation error or lost votes, now nearly 2000 are added onto Doheny's total?

I still take the NY-23 results as encouraging. Previously Republicans like Doheny, quiet, moderately conservative, intelligent, business conservatives, won this district quite easily. The fact that even in this environment, Doheny couldn't do it says a lot. Though I'm of course of the opinion that most of Hoffman's voters would have abstained had he not been on the ballot. I do believe 47% still represents that strongest general election total ever for a Democrat in this district.  


Doheny
Would have done it if it were not for Hoffman. Owens has been elected twice with a few pts less than 50%, so that is not a sign this district is moving Dem.  

[ Parent ]
glad doheny lost
had to listen to his commercials because they bleed into the burlington media market.  "why don't we have a citizen's legislature (occupied by millionares, because most citizens are millionares right)?"  "Why don't we kick out house members just as they're getting experienced?"  "Let's make politicians pay so low only lawyers, businessman and sociopaths run for office."

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[ Parent ]
Just because he didn't hit 50 either time
Does not mean there isn't a trend there.

[ Parent ]
I just dont get why those three northern counties
that vote very reliably Democratic dont anchor this seat down a bit more.  Classic Rockefeller Republicans, but they voted for Gore, Kerry, and Obama and I bet Clinton as well but I'm too lazy to look that up.

Old habits die hard and in politics, nothing is really that logical to begin with.


[ Parent ]
They all voted for Clinton in 96.
Clinton lost Clinton County (funny that) in 92 but won Franklin and St. Lawrence.

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Partially because of Plattsburgh AFB
which closed in '95 (in Clinton County)

Bill Owens would likely never have moved to Plattsburgh without the resulting redevelopment commission. (The resulting jobs were perhaps his key cred during the '09 campaign.)

Before that time, NY-23 was anchored by PAFB and Ft. Drum (near Watertown), making it a pro-defense R district. It only started to change after PAFB closed.

But the redevelopment issues (and the gay R Plattsburgh Mayor) helped push Clinton County left, and there is gratitude towards Ds in St. Lawrence Co (Ft Drum would never have opened without Daniel Patrick Moynihan).


[ Parent ]
In 1996
Clinton-Gore won every one of New York's then-31 Congressional districts.

[ Parent ]
I don't think you can blame those counties too much.
Although Obama won the district, Kerry didn't.

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[ Parent ]
Yup, they're ancesterally R
but fortunately did not snap back like some of the suburban counties in the Northeast did this year.

[ Parent ]
What I meant...
...was that they can only go so far.  They run the risk of being offset by more Republican-leaning areas.

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[ Parent ]
He got 49% in the special election
and Hoffman got 45%. The remaining votes went to Scozzafava, and obviously without her on the ballot Owens would have broken 50% that time.  

[ Parent ]
Owens got
48 to Hoffman's 46. Had she never been in the race, Hoffman would have won.  

[ Parent ]
I think that is an
indefensible statement, especially seeing as how most of Scozzafava's supporters were moderates and how Hoffman is intensely dislike by the northern end of the district.  

[ Parent ]
I disagree
While you might be right, user GOPVOTER's statements are defensible for the following reasons:

1) Most of Scozzafava's supporters were Republicans. When Scozzafava withdrew, many, I think most, felt faced with a conundrum. Many of them ended up supporting Hoffman, even though they knew they could be teabagged later. I point to Janet Duprey and Donald Kaspersak as specific examples -- moderate Rs, pro-gay rights, who ended up supporting Hoffman after Scozzafava withdrew.

2) I see no evidence that Hoffman was --intensely-- disliked in any significant part of the district. People in the north country defend others who are from the same part of NY. AFAIK, it's sorta like Michigan UPers in that respect.  


[ Parent ]
Yoopers...
Will almost always vote for the Yooper candidate in a race, but in Michigan's 1st, even though the U.P. makes up like 60-70% of it's land, makes up only a fair part of its population. Yoopers are divided by region, too; Gary McDowell, who represented the Straits, which is, culturally and politically, more like Northern Michigan then the Western U.P., which is more like the Iron Range or northern Wisconsin, lost to Dan Benishek in all but the most labor-heavy or most liberal counties in the normally heavily Democratic west (where, for comparison, Virg Bernero did better then he did in Oakland or Macomb Counties), mostly because Benishek is from Iron River in Iron County, the only real swing county in the west. Bart Stupak always had challengers from the west, where he's from, and is lucky a strong Republican from Chippewa or Mackinac never opposed him.

It's obviously more complicated then this, but of the last four congressman, its alternated between someone from the straits and someone from the west; Benishek is the first westerner to succeed another one since the 60's. I honestly have no idea what would happen if two Northern Michigan politicians were the nominees.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Stupak
Do you think he wins in 2010 if he ran?

[ Parent ]
Definitely. Probably. Maybe? Aw, who knows.
I think people overestimate Stupak's electoral prowess and underestimate Democratic strength in the 1st based on Bush's showings in 2000 and 2004, but Benishek did end up crushing McDowell in Northern Michigan, especially in the suburbs of Bay County and in Joel Sheltrown's rural 101st house district (where even GORE won in 2000, and Obama dominated in 2008), swing areas Stupak's always won comfortably. Stupak probably would've eked out a win based on his strength in Menominee (where McDowell lost), and definitely would've done better then McDowell in Alpena(though probably less well in the Straits) and carried several of the western U.P. counties Benishek won. But Northern Michigan is tough for Democrats even in a good year, and Democrats have to face the fact that the U.P. is hemorrhaging population faster then any other area of the state, and increasing margins in counties like Marquette and Menominee can't change those fact. I never thought Republicans would win Obey or Oberstar's districts either, but they did, and Stupak's is even more conservative and less ancestrally Democratic then theirs.

It's too bad Stupak pulled out of the campaign so fast after the health care vote; I would've liked to see some polls of the race between him and Benishek. Still wished Stupak would've run for governor, he would've made an interesting contrast with Snyder and maybe might have had some coattails in the U.P, though I don't think he would've won.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
The hatred of moderates
Came from Scozzafava's supporters after she had to drop out because of Hoffman. If she had never run, this would not have happened.  

[ Parent ]
Nobody can know that for certain
I'll give you Doheny. Probably. But the fact Owens got 48% even this year suggests he may well have won the special anyway.

[ Parent ]
Redistricngn
will take care of Owens.  

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[ Parent ]
Oops.
Redistricting. Sorry watching Toy Story 3 with family who's staying with me while I write this. Gotta love the holidays.  

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[ Parent ]
That
giant baby is freaky.  

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[ Parent ]
good movie though
pixar knows how to tug at your heartstrings.  anyone have thoughts on cars 2?  it looks silly (the previews have them as accidental spys or something).  I swear pixar deliberately makes it harder for themselves.  

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[ Parent ]
Great movie.
I'm really enjoying it. A movie for the whole family to enjoy.

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[ Parent ]
The
great thing about Pixar is, even their worst movies are superior to anything Dreamworks or the other 3D studios put out. They are truly the gold standard when it comes to 3D movies.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Never liked Toy Story
Problem with DreamWorks, (off topic briefly here), is that they tend to substitute quality stories for tons of big stars, like with Megamind or Kung fu Panda. The one time they didn't, and made a genuinely great movie, How to Train Your Dragon, which had a relatively ordinary cast, it really payed dividends for them.  

[ Parent ]
I
kind of like the abundance of celebrities. It provides conversation. "Is that Whoopi Goldberg? I think that's the guy for Cheers." I'm constantly checking  on IMDB to see for certain. Just my view.  

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[ Parent ]
Being a voice for an animated
character has to be the easiest job in the world, particularly if you are a big celebrity like Tom Hanks or Cameron Diaz. You get paid very handsomely for a week or two's work.

On a mostly unrelated note, I was doing a birthday party tour for kid's once at a restaurant. I took them in the back to show them everything and brought them by the dish area where Andres, a big, hulking guy from Mexico who looked like a grandfather (probably because he was 60-something and possibly one), was working, and as a joke, told all of the kids and parents he was the inspiration for Shrek. (We used to joke that he looked like him, because he did, and because he had a very jolly personality.) The kids laughed at it, but one of the mothers came up to me and said, "Are you serious?" I was honestly unsure of how to respond to such a ridiculous question.

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[ Parent ]
Republican or bust for Lieberman?
http://www.politico.com/news/s...
Lieberman's allies are saying his only option to win in 2012 is become a Republican.  

He won't win a Republican primary
Why would the GOP nominate someone who has been an Independent caucusing with Democrats for the past 6 years?

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
I can't see how that'd work
tea partiers went after people far more conservative than him.  what's lieberman going to do when they ask why he didn't stop HCR?  finreg, the stimulus?  he could have stopped all of them (as could any senator) yet he didn't.  he'd be the only republican candidate in the country who could have stopped those bills, but didn't.

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[ Parent ]
should say
any dem sen could have stopped the bill.

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[ Parent ]
Dumb quote
"It's the politics that's in his way, not the people."


[ Parent ]
Lieberman's problem
He pretty much pissed the bases of both parties off during the healthcare debate--the Democrats because of his role in watering down and threatening to vote against the bill, and the Republicans because of his ultimately voting for it. I think he will just form another 3rd party and his only hope is to win a three-way race as an independent. The fact that in such a terrible year for Democrats, the GOP still came up short in Connecticut in the governor's race, the senate race, and CT-04/CT-05 does not bode well for any Republican running statewide in 2012. If Lieberman stays independent then some Democrats that would not vote for him if he was a Republican might vote for him, while he might still get some GOP support, especially if the Republicans in the state dissuade stronger candidates from trying to enter the race recognizing that the GOP cannot probably win a three-way race with Lieberman. Also, who knows if the GOP primary voters would really accept him into the Republican Party after 30 years in statewide office as a non-Republican (a la Arlen Specter's loss to Sestak in the PA-Sen primary after switching). A three-way race between Jodi Rell, Joe Lieberman, and Chris Murphy would be really interesting.

[ Parent ]
Yeeeahhh...he'll never survive a GOP primary
Unless, somehow, Cornyn is able to clear the field, and that surely ain't happening. It's not that I think Lieberman can necessarily win the Democratic nod either (unless, again, the field is randomly cleared), but if it were a head-to-head vs. Bysiewicz, I could at least see it being competitive. Any random Tea Partier - even Peter Schiff - could beat Lieberman.

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[ Parent ]
Ya, and Cornyn's assurances
about "cleared fields" aren't worth much: Crist, Ayotte, Castle, etc. This article reads like a GOP attempt to spin Lieberman to vote with the GOP for two years before ultimately losing. And Lieberman, as much as I hate to say it, is too smart to buy it.

[ Parent ]
I'm about 95% sure Rep. Chris Murphy will run...
Against Rep. Murphy in the Democratic primary, he would be destroyed. I don't even see him coming close to scrapping together a plurality of the vote in a three-way contest between, say, Murphy and Lieberman and Foley.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
If Murphy runs for Senate
Who do we have to step in for him in CT-05? And would he/she be strong enough to dispose of Greenberg?

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

Don't we have the redistricting trifecta in Connecticut?
Surely, there can be some shoring up of CT-02 and CT-05.

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[ Parent ]
CT-02?
It's already fairly reliably Democratic.  

[ Parent ]
I meant CT-04.


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[ Parent ]
I doubt it would be Greenberg
If this is an open seat, Sam Caligiuri would certainly be back since he came so close this year.  

[ Parent ]
Yeah...losing by a ten-point margin
while both McMahon and Foley are winning is coming so close. Chris Murphy is simply an incredible politician; a liberal who doesn't hold back any punches, and is respected and admired enough by moderates to get considerable crossover support.  

[ Parent ]
I could see Murphy becoming a brand in the Senate
He's progressive, charismatic, ambitious, and in a state where he shouldn't have much problems winning reelection. He's young enough that he could end up having a very long career and end up being as much a mainstay in the liberal vocabulary as someone like Ted Kennedy.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
Thats why it was good
Murphy is much stronger than Blumenthal or Malloy.  

[ Parent ]
Why not Roraback or someone like him?
This is, essentially, a moderate district, may be - very slightly left-of-center, especially - in Democratic year. Both Greenberg and Caligiuri are too conservative for it. Being "pro-life" (surely for Greenberg and, AFAIK, for Caligiuri too) doesn't help either. Why not run somebody with rather good moderate credentials?

[ Parent ]
Indiana
I really hope they don't try the dummymander.

Just put Gary and South Bend in the same district and leave the rest mostly alone.


Unlike DioGuardi, Senor is charasmatic, has plenty of GOP connections, and can fundraise
The problem? Also unlike DioGuardi, he won't be running in a GOP-favorable, anti-incumbent environment w/o President Obama atop the ticket. I guess having no Paladino atop the GOP ticket helps, though. Either way, Gillibrand will easily win (unless Pataki gets in, and she'd even beat him).

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If Gillibrand wins big in 2012
I think the presidential speculation will start early. You don't put forth results like she did in 2010 and then not get brought up in considerations for a national candidate.

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
A Senor-Gillibrand race
Would be O'Donnell-Coons on steroids. Obviously Senor was never an anti-masturbation activist and is generally seen as sane unlike O'Donnell. But it would still be a race that received an extremely high amount of attention and scrutiny but wasn't competitive.

[ Parent ]
You have to wonder
if Pataki would even survive a Republican primary at this point.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
I suspect he'd easily win the nod
Keep in mind, he's tacked even further to the right than Giuliani.

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[ Parent ]
In theory, Burris doesn't really HELP Emanuel
He just hurts Moseley-Braun and Davis, and perhaps helps Chico, as the black vote will be further splintered. No matter what, Emanuel probably won't cross the run-off mark.

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yeah
I don't see any non-Emanuel candidate really pulling a strong northside percentage either.

Is there some big aversion to Gery Chico that i'm missing here?


[ Parent ]
You know what they say
The worst thing to be is the frontrunner in a crowded primary. I think the more people in the race the worse it is for Rahm as they will likely all go nuclear on him weakening him for the runoff. Or I guess it could work the other way, they attack the person who's looking like they are going into second place if it's clear Rahm's a lock. If Obama endorses Rahm then game over Mr. Mayor.  


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[ Parent ]
hasn't he been endorsed
or isn't it implied?  like when hillary ran and it was obvious bill endorsed her?

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[ Parent ]
Let
 me rephrase. If Obama goes full force. Campaign commercial, stumping etc. If he doesn't even endorse him then he's screwed.  

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[ Parent ]
ah, gotcha
normally i don't obama would interfere in a primary (not telling local dems what to do about a nonfederal race) except it's rahm and he lives/lived there (i think), so technically he should have a say over his mayor.

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[ Parent ]
I suspect this is Obama's game plan on Chicago-Mayor...
A) Stump for Rahm in the primary if he looks poised to avoid the run-off and garner 50%. This is an unlikely scenario. B) If Rahm looks stuck in run-off territory, don't stump for him until after the run-off and only stump if Rahm has the clear advantage. I don't think Obama wants to try dragging Rahm across the finish line, over other Democratic candidates.

As far as the run-off goes, I have a hard time believing Rahm won't win, if only b/c the rest of the field is so flawed. Danny Davis doesn't have huge appeal outside the black community, but he's got a decent resume and lots of experience. Carol Moseley-Braun does have pull with Hispanics and white liberals, but her record is EXTREMELY flawed - imagine all the dirt Rahm would unleash on her. Gery Chico's a competent guy, but there's just no excitement there. James Meeks, Roland Burris, Miguel del Valle...they're not going anywhere. I think it's squarely a three-way among Davis, Moseley-Braun, and Chico for 2nd.

Right now, I'm thinking...

Emanuel - 32%
Moseley-Braun - 16%
Davis - 15%
Chico - 13%
Meeks - 8%
Burris - 6%
Del Valle - 4%
Others - 6%

Emanuel beats Moseley-Braun 56-44.

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[ Parent ]
this came at the end of thread yesterday
but what candidates of the opposite party (non-corruption issues) HAVE YOU, NOT WOULD YOU voted/vote for, or if u were too young, what local candidates would you have.

my list: arnold schwarzenegger (whom I still like) and that's all

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)


I couldn't ever vote Republican
in an election where candidates are running under party labels. The only situation I can think of is if it was a local nonpartisan election and both candidates were registered Republican. Other than that, I could only do it in situations like LA-02 where I want to get a corrupt bastard out. Coalitions are way too important to me to ever vote GOP

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

[ Parent ]
I voted against Rangel
but I couldn't bring myself to vote for his Republican opponent this year, with all the odious Tea Party candidates, etc.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
I never voted Republican
and have no plans to do so for the foreseeable future unless they do a complete 180 on their religion and science stances. I did call myself a Republican from 9/11 to summer 2002 but now I would never do so. I wish I could vote beyond just straight-ticket Dem, and probably would if there were some center-left indies, but the views of Republicans around here are just unacceptable to me.

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[ Parent ]
Dick Lugar
Hands down my favorite Republican. I'd vote for him over Baron Hill, Brad Ellsworth, of course Evan Bayh, and anyone else in Indiana. I have too much respect for him to vote against him.

Otherwise, I'd probably vote for Jon Huntsman if he ran for statewide office in Utah. I'd also vote for Michael Bloomberg in a mayoral election (but not as a third party POTUS candidate unless we ran Kucinich) and Lincoln Chafee for any open seat in Rhode Island. And anyone who runs against Alan Grayson.

That's it.

19, male, Dem, CT-04 (home) PA-02 (college and registered)


[ Parent ]
Party sampler here
Haven't gotten the opportunity to vote beyond this election. Thus far, I have voted for a collection of Libertarians at all the levels and one Democrat locally. I would have voted for Kinky Friedman in a heartbeat if he had won his tight primary for Ag Commissioner- what a waste of an easy pickup opportunity for the Texas Democratic Party!

19, Male, libertarian Republican, TX-14 and MN-04

[ Parent ]
From a former longtime NC State Senator
"A woman came up to me one time, a big Republican, and stuck her finger in my face and said 'You'd vote for the Devil himself if he were a Democrat.'  I thought about it for a second and answered 'not in the primary!'"

That about sums up my thoughts.  I've voted for some GOP folks in non-partisan races but I just can't bring myself to pick one in a partisan race!  I'm an old school member of the "Democrat Party" and consider myself to be a yellow dog who's more on the conservadem (GASP!) side.

28, male, NC-13 formerly NC-01, 04, 05, 07, 11


[ Parent ]
I live in New York,
in an area where the only competitive races (and some of them weren't that competitive) were for my state senate seat, attorney general, state comptroller, and maybe a few township seats. I haven't voted that many times, if only because I just turned 26, but for the first time that I can remember, I voted down the line for the Democrats, except for one race where I voted for the Independent who used to be a Democrat.

New York Republicans tend to be fairly reasonable, even the very conservative ones, and while I'm not as far to the left as some of my friends like to joke, I'm pretty partisan in my dislike for Republicans. I'm at the point where I refuse to do much of anything to give the national party any sort of extra strength through numbers. The person does matter, but unless he or she is really awful, I'm voting for the party. And based on the developments in the Republican party, I imagine I'll feel this way for a long, long time.  

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[ Parent ]
Haven't yet voted Republican
I continue to wait for a candidate I'd actually like to vote for.

And considering that our town is almost even on the local level, that's not something I'm likely to do on the local level.  We have a 5-4 majority on the town council, and that gives us the mayor's seat.

At the state level, I'm represented by an incumbent state rep who just won re-election 71-29 this year, after winning re-election in 2008 by 56-44.  He's not going anywhere anytime soon, and I hear he's generally a smooth and agreeable person which is why he's so popular, though I hear he hasn't really done much.  I'm also represented by a Dem state senator.

Now if I do sound like I'm giving the Dems too much of a pass, perhaps.  Though the fact that they give themselves this party label generally means that they will prefer policy objectives that I consider more important--such as environmental issues and caring about the socioeconomically little guy.  And if anyone should say that we're bad for business--well, our mayor recently did something that's great for both business AND the town's budget.

On the national level, as well as for the governorship, we start to get into the realm of nationally-known policy positions, which means that voting for a Republican, even if I might like them personally, is a bad idea due to the expectation of Republican lockstepness.  That, and no gubernatorial, senatorial, or representativorial (lol) Republican candidate has really impressed me anyway.

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[ Parent ]
Probably Jacob Javits
Great senator. He died before I had the right to vote.

I almost did vote for Giuliani for reelection against Messinger and would have if the election had been close. I also voted for Bloomberg this year, but not on the Republican line. If lower state offices count, I voted for Ned Regan for Comptroller, who proved to be corrupt (or at least there were strong and odoriferous allegations), and also voted for Wilson, the Republican candidate for Comptroller this year. That may be the complete list.

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--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
PPP Taking Suggestions
http://publicpolicypolling.blo...
Where to poll and what to poll.  

My suggestions:
NE-Sen
MA-Sen
NV-Sen

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I think they should do Missouri.
I'm wondering how McCaskill is doing (I highly doubt good) and would like to see if Nixon can win reelection.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
Nixon's in good shape.
McCaskill has a good shot.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
I suspect most of you won't like this answer
But it's just too early to poll 2012 races. Any results now will mean very little.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


[ Parent ]
Liberals
liberals are gearing up for the air wars with the GOP leaning third party groups.

http://www.politico.com/news/s...


i'm sure it will be successful
just like air america was successful at taking on talk radio.  

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[ Parent ]
they
already got donors ready. It does depend on will Obama embrace the third party groups. He rejected them during 2008

[ Parent ]
some donors ready
isn't the same as being on par with the conservatives.  they could do as well, but i doubt it.

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[ Parent ]
Axelrod hinted they would
I read that on Greg Sargent or something.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
also
the chairwoman is Kathleen Kennedy Townsend. She is a Kennedy and she might be get some more donors in. But the only problem i have is that she lost a election in Maryland. She ran a terrible campaign.  

[ Parent ]
Apples to oranges
The reason for Air America's decline was that its biggest names (Maddow and Franken) dropped out for bigger and better things.

This is a 527 and/or 501(c)4 group in the works.  They just find the money (Soros, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, and other left-leaning rich people) and get them to donate big amounts to compete with Rove's group.

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So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
it seems like there are more rich reps than dems
plus rich donors try to back winners.  dems had a lot of wall street money in 2008 because they were in power and likely to stay there.  if obama is doing well come 2012, they'll probably back down, if not, they'll go for the juggular.  

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[ Parent ]
I wonder
what would happen if Obama pledged not to accept any money from any sort of political action committee associated with Wall Street leading into the 2012 election, vowing to limit himself only to contributions from individuals that work in the finance industry. I don't have an exact total, but a casual glance at links from a Google search suggests it's only a small amount of his overall haul, something that could be easily replaced from his base of small donors. Plus, there's the potential political value of such a move.  

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[ Parent ]
If
he does that then Wall Street bank roll against him and hard. Much more than what you saw spent by random billionaires this year. It's not an easy thing to pick fights with Wall Street. Not saying it's a bad idea necessarily but it could hurt other dems fundraising in 2012. IDK, the symbolism could be worth it.  

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[ Parent ]
Doesn't that
make it easy to paint his opponent as a pawn of Wall Street, since he or she would likely be getting what money Obama doesn't get?

Anyway, how much harder could the industry go against him? Did they take it easy on him this year? And which Democrats, besides ones in New York, New Jersey, and Connecticut are going to be that screwed from such a move? Maybe they could just propose something much more comprehensive than what was just passed in the financial reform bill but still take the PAC money if Wall Street wants to give it.

I could speculate about what would happen, but they should definitely look into doing something like this. He'll almost certainly have the luxury of simply refusing to accept this money if he wishes to do so but not having hurt him much, if at all.


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?


[ Parent ]
I'm
not saying it wouldn't be a good idea for dems to run on "fighters for main street not Wall Street" but it comes with consequences. Obama and other dems did get a lot of money from Wall Street in 08 and if we do this strategy this time then all that money (a lot, yes) would go against us. Plus if Obama tries to paint the GOP nominee as too Wall Street friendly then they can just point out that he didn't have a problem taking tons of money from them last election. Wall Street was very Obama friendly in 08, that would haunt him if he tried this strategy. It could be worth it, but there are certainly pros and cons.  

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[ Parent ]
This is all kind of moot
Obama and the Democrats dont need to say anything about money from corporations or third party sources as these people form their own political action committees and spend their money that way.  SEIU wont need Obama's permission to pour $100 million into his re-election, they'll do it anyway.

[ Parent ]
Say what you will,
but there's a difference, which is what we know where the SEIU is coming from: union members. I could go either way on limits to PACs and similar stuff, but disclosure shouldn't be an issue. As I said earlier, maybe that's all that Obama needs to do: insist upon disclosure, perhaps from every Democrat running.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
You make several
good points. I guess it's safe to say that if he did pursue a path like this, he'd have to tread very carefully.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

[ Parent ]
What's the deal with Glenn Nye?
How did he lose by a wider margin than someone like Tom Perriello? I'd like to chalk it up to Perriello standing up for his votes and his ideals, and that might explain some of it, but not all of it.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

I'd
say Perriello is just a better politician and more likeable than Nye.  

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[ Parent ]
^^
This. Nye was well....he told bloggers he liked the cap and trade bill but voted against it. You can't have your cake and eat it as well.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Maybe.
I mean, I guess I just have a fondness for the Virginia guys because it was like they manifested a fairly big state turning blue a lot quicker than other ones, at least before they were voted out of office.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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Maybe Perriello had a better "brand"?
No statewide races in Virginia, so the Reps had to drive turnout all by themselves...I can see how Perriello would turn out folks more than Glenn Nye. (Republicans, of course, were showing up regardless.)

27, Democratic, IL-01

[ Parent ]
More hardcore Republican district
is my guess.  Nye also ran right rather soon after his election in '08.  His district's Democrats probably got annoyed with him relatively early on and were probably relatively willing to let him go down in flames.

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Owens
won't be stupid enough to vote Boehner will he? He could just vote for someone else like Gene Taylor did couldn't he? He's being stupid as his district will likely be made safer, won't it. If he votes Boehner will he go the same route as Congressman tinfoil hat from Ohio? Stripped of all committees that is.  

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Trafi-can't also lost all seniority.
and why is he Congressman "tinfoil hat"?  I know he swung hard right after '94 and is sleazy and endeded up in jail, but that's it.

Anyway, yes, Owens can vote for someone else (as long as they are a Dem) or vote Present if he really wants to.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
He
used to wear a tinfoil hat on the house floor. Go to CSPAN and watch some videos of him.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Hmmmm
I will, but why did he do that?  Just to be different?

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He
was... uh well.... a special fellow.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Yeah, I just watched this
He's Congressman Alex Jones.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
is that a really bad rug??
or is his hair just like that?

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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It's a toupee...
When he was tried, Trafficant went au naturale...

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I
believe it's some sort of dead animal. Also check out his 2010 campaign site. He's gone full blown Paulist. How on earth was he ever a dem? Someone told be he even used to be a fairly traditional working class dem (socially conservative but ok on economics) back in the day, don't know whether that's true or not. He's an interesting guy. I mean anyone who wears tin foil hats and starts speeches on the House floor "beam me up Scotty" has to be interesting.  
http://www.jimtraficantforcong...

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His claim to fame...
....and the reason for his longevity in congress originated when Trafficant served as Sheriff of Mahoning County.  When the manufacturing economy started shrinking in earnest in the 1970's, he refused to evict foreclosure victims. He quickly became a populist hero. So, yes, at one time, he was a blue collar democrat, but that changed significantly over time.

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People
can change over time. I started out life as a conservative dem. I even somewhat, in the back of my mind, thought of changing parties at a point (my dad would have killed me). Then Bush came along. I am now as liberal as can be.  

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Heh....
Bush made me a raging liberal, too!  I was much more moderate in my youth.  Of course, so were Republicans.  Many of them actually had decent ideas not too long ago, but those folks have been driven out of the party.

[ Parent ]
Very True.
Winston Churchill once said if your younger and conservative then you don't have a heart, if your older and liberal you don't have a brain. Funny thing is people really do tend to move towards the center the older they get, while you and me have done the opposite.  

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Is that really demonstrable?
Not just anecdotal? My parents never moved to the right, but of course, that's anecdotal, too.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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I started out as a moderate Republican.
Thanks to Bush and company, I will not vote Republican for a very, very long time.

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I believe it.
Your not alone either. Bush really hurt the GOP.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Guess I'm just contrary
I started quite conservative then got really liberal and now I think I'm going conservative again.

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I was never very liberal and I've always been a fan of (some) conservative Democrats
However, I'm not voting Republican anytime soon, especially not on a national level.

This is because the Republican leadership, as far I can tell, is much more concerned with winning and issue-pushing than with actually governing.  And with this upside-down priority, it has no qualms about misleading people, demagoguery, and many other ethically questionable tactics.  Are such tactics only found on the Republican side?  No.  But they're practiced to a much greater scale and extent by the politicians and supporters of the Republican Party.

In short: On top of issue disagreements, I have an ethical problem with how the Republicans function these days.  So unless they fix that, I will rarely if ever warm up to them at all.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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Same here.
I'm more center-right on economic issues, but I am not voting for Republicans anytime soon until they not just drastically change their views on science and religion but also drastically change their campaign tactics, especially starting with dumping the McCarthyist paranoia. The Cold War ended almost 20 years ago.

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What about someone like
Arianna Huffington or David Brock? It's kind of hard to believe that Huffington used to be an ally of Newt Gingrich, for instance.  

"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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"Beam me up... I yield back the fact..."


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If he voted for Boehner...
AFTER winning a close reelection in the most Republic year since 1946 and being literally the deciding vote on health care, he'd go down in textbooks as possibly the stupidest politician ever, just for sheer pointlessness.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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He's
just building up mod cred. He reminds me of Joe Donnelly. Tries to sound like Bobby freaking Bright but votes straight D. Tarp, stimulus, cap and trade, HCR, financial regulation but then comes out with commercials running against the evil Pelosi and Obama. Seriously you should have heard Donnelly he kept calling himself one of the most conservative dem members of Congress. Yeah sure Joe you totally make Gene Taylor look like Barney Frank. Whatever you say. I'm not complaining though, it works for Donnelly and I'm fine with it. Getting back on track if Owens did vote Boehner than he is really stupid. He won't though, I would guess he'll put in a protest vote to IDK Ron Kind?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Don't have any problems with protest votes.
At least in minority. Even Gene Taylor fell in line in 2007, 2009. I'm actually fairly impressed with Donnely as a politician; wish we had someone like him up in Michigan's 6th to knock off Upton. Michigandia is turning Democratic faster then you can blink, but in a tough year Donnely ran an almost flawless campaign in my opinion. I know he voted for better fuel standards, but didn't he vote against Cap n' Trade?

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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Yeah
your right. Thought he did. Still he voted for the stimulus, tarp and HCR. That's something in an R+2.  

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That's quite a feat.
And fuel milleage standards are nothing to scoff at. John Dingell here in Michigan refused to endorse better mileage and pollution standards until he lost the Energy chairmanship and was humbled by the experience. I'm surprised every Democrat in Michigan voted for cap n' trade since, like Indiana, we use almost primarily coal for energy in a lot of the rural areas. Baron Hill really took one for the team on that piece of legislation; he was the only Democrat in Indiana to vote for it, right?

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


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Donnelly
He is one of three remaining Dems who kept their seats in R+X districts despite voting for all four of TARP, the stimulus, health reform, and bank reform.

The other two are Jerry McNerney and Gabrielle Giffords. None of them won by more than a few points.

41, Ind, CA-05


[ Parent ]
Did the McNerney and Giffords
Survive only because of 3rd parties, or would they have even won 2 way races?  

[ Parent ]
There
is usually no real way of telling how a race would break without third parties. Many of those third party folks would not vote for anyone in a two party race or may surprise you. A mad dem might vote for a far right third party not knowing anything about the third party, just  a protest vote but may suck it up in a two way race. There will always be third party candidates and always people who just vote third parties. It is not accurate in the majority of cases just to lay a blanket statement that if it wasn't for third parties we would have won that seat. NY-23 is an exception of course.  

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[ Parent ]
That's a pretty sobering statistic.
Although, I don't know if this has anything to do with it, but Donnely and McNerney's districts did vote for Obama, while Giffords was one of McCain's weakest districts he won. How many other Dems in R+ Obama districts are there that voted for all four pieces of legislation?

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Obama would've won AZ-08
if McCain weren't from Arizona.

[ Parent ]
Owens
I think he just made it easier for Dems if they have to sacrifice someone in redistricting.  They could thrown him in with Gibson in NY-20.

What a putz.


[ Parent ]
Such things are reserved for actions
Not words.

[ Parent ]
Agreed.
Though I do think Owens is probably in the frame of mind of looking at all his other upstate Democratic colleauges be wiped out, and knowing that unlike in 2009, when it wasn't clear how liberal/conservative/other the group of die-hards who stayed with Scozzafazza were, in 2010 he pretty much owes his next two years in Congress to Doug Hoffman. I don't think he's stupid enough to go through with his threat, though.

MI-06 (home), MI-02 (college)

20, Democrat, Male, MI-06 (Home), MI-02 (College)


[ Parent ]
Frederica Wilson, up-and-coming gay icon
Dayum, Frederica Wilson, 300 hats! Including rhinestone-studded cowboy hats in every color of the rainbow! And she's demanding the right to wear them on the floor of the House of Representatives? Oh. Hell. Yes.

Seriously, I'm lovin' it. I mean, she's already vaulted into my top 5 Congresspersons list. She's currently at #4, behind Barney Frank (for the sass), Jared Polis (for the class) and Martin Heinrich (for the ass). I'm assuming she's pro-gay-marriage considering how blue that seat is, so I'm calling it now: Frederica Wilson, gay icon.  

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I
saw a pic of her wikipedia. I think she'll be fun.  

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Funny
thing about her. She succeeded Meek in the state house, then state senate and now Congress. She has a thing with succeeding him.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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I wonder how often this happens
I know in MA, the same man has succeeded Scott Brown as selectman, state rep, and in the state sen. Wilson is already one of my fav house Dems just for the hats!  

[ Parent ]
Richard Ross
Unfortunately, I have to say Ross is a long shot to succeed Brown in the Senate. Maybe if MA elects a Republican governor in 2014, and Brown either gets elected President, VP, or is appointed to the cabinet in 2016, the governor could appoint Ross as a temporary Senator!

And yeah, I rooted for Wilson in the primary for the hats alone. Hopefully Boehner will lighten up and let her wear them.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


[ Parent ]
Maybe she can wear them while Rep. Boehner is taking smoke breaks.


20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
I'm curious,
how do you know what Martin Heinrich's ass looks like?

Anyway, I forgot who Polis was, so I looked him up. It's nice that he won, but it'd be nice if Betsy Markey won as well. They would make a nice pair to point to when people claim the Democrats don't have any knowledge of working in the private sector.  

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[ Parent ]
NV-Sen results by CD
https://docs.google.com/viewer...

NV-1: Reid 60.1%, Angle 35.6%
NV-2: Reid 43.2%, Angle 50.2%
NV-3: Reid 51.3%, Angle 44.4%

21, male, CA-15 (home and voting there), LA-2 (college)



NV-3 is the bellwether once again


24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

[ Parent ]
Yet
Titus lost. Sigh....  

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[ Parent ]
sigh is right
Not nearly enough political scientist run for office.  (It's because they know better!)

She did do much better than what conventional wisdom would have expected considering her district and her 2008 freshman status.


[ Parent ]
Split decision and all that
The great oxymoron of this election cycle is that Republicans might have won the Senate without the Tea Party, but they probably wouldn't have won the House. The level of enthusiasm the Tea Party generated pushed up the vote share for Republicans on the generic ballot, but it resulted in horrible candidates winning primaries. A lot of House races, which generate less media attention and receive less interest from the average voter, were party-driven and not candidate-driven, so morons like Renee Ellmers, Joe Walsh, Michael Grimm, Allen West, Ben Quayle, David Rivera, and Blake Farenthold won election despite being as dumb as rocks. But candidates for Senate like Ken Buck, Sharron Angle, and Joe Miller wound up under a harsh spotlight, and they lost because they couldn't seal the deal with Republican-oriented voters who were happy to vote for whatever Republican was running in the House race but wanted nothing to do with sending a known dumbass to the Senate.

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How Dems did in 2010 vs. 2008
I just realized that this might be an interesting measure to gauge a candidate's strength and possibly future viability, at least in the same district.

For example, Bobby Bright won by 51-49 last time and now lost about 49-51, and Tom Perriello won 51-49 last time and now lost 47-51.  This is as opposed to, say, Alan Grayson who won 52-48 last time and lost 38-56 this time.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


Debbie Halvorson
won 58-35 in 2008, lost by double digits this year (43-57 I think? can't remember)

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[ Parent ]
Also Suzanne Kosmas
spanked Tom Feeney by almost 20 points in 2008, lost big this year.

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[ Parent ]
My diary and spreadsheet on this topic
are now up: http://swingstateproject.com/d...

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
North Carolina Redistricting Standards
As referred to in the article about NC redistricting, Republicans challenged the 2002 state legislative district maps in a case called Stephenson which went to the NC Supreme Court.

The court found the 2002 state legislative maps unconstitutional and set up guidelines for new maps to be drawn in 2003.  Non-VRA districts must be drawn by:

... combining or grouping the minimum number of whole, contiguous counties necessary to comply with the ... one-person, one- vote standard. Within any such contiguous multi- county grouping, compact districts shall be formed, consistent with the (one-person, one-vote) standard.

Finally, we direct that any new redistricting plans, including any proposed on remand in this case, shall depart from strict compliance with the legal requirements set forth herein only to the extent necessary to comply with federal law.

http://www.aoc.state.nc.us/www...

The criteria of respecting county boundaries, compactness and contiguity do not by themselves prevent the legislature from drawing a partisan plan, but they do hinder the most egregious gerrymandering schemes.

This could mean that North Carolina will be operating under many of the same guidelines that voters just approved in Florida.


Florida's new rules are more strict.
It makes a rule against partisan gerrymandering (i.e. in FL's case, boxing all Dems out as much as they possibly can while drawing GOP districts as friendly as possible).  Any violations will probably be taken to the state Supreme Court.  Obviously, there's an exception in order to comply with VRA so Corinne Brown need not worry.

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[ Parent ]
I think FL's new rules
would still allow gerrymandering, but nothing like the disgusting dummymandering employed by Jeb Bush et al in the 00's.  In other words, no more seats like FL-22 and many others that I can't think of off-hand and more seats where the Dems can be competitive.

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[ Parent ]
Well, that wasn't a dummymander
since it basically capped Florida Dem gains at like 3 seats or so.

However, I'd say anything is probably better than what we have now in Florida.

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[ Parent ]
I'm still a lexicon noob here.
I assumed a dummymander was a very obvious gerrymander.

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My understanding of "dummymander"
An attempt to overmaximize gains in redistricting, which might work in the short term.

Take state X, with 10 districts and an overall PVI of R+3. A pure dummymander would have all 10 districts at R+3, without consideration of current incumbents, state legislators who might want to move up, demographics, etc.


[ Parent ]
No, I thought a dummymander is more like this:
The intention isn't "stupid", the intention is "as much territory as [our side] can get".

So take state X with 10 districts and an overall PVI of R+3.  A "smartmander" for the Republicans might be to pack the Dems into, say, three districts centered on the urban areas and then make the rest of the state R+5 to R+10 or so.  A dummymander would be to crack everything so that every district has R+3 and thus R has something to hold or get anytime they have a good year.  However, that means that the R seats are all so weakly R that D could sweep a bunch of them in a good year for D.

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[ Parent ]
A dummymander is a gerrymander that backfires
Until this year, the best example of this was Pennsylvania. The GOP stretched themselves too thin in eastern PA and lost PA-07, PA-08, and PA-10. They also tried to draw Tim Holden out by throwing him into a conservative district with a longtime GOP incumbent, only to see Holden take their guy out and hold the seat to this day. But it's not that bad of a dummymander anymore, as Republicans gained back everything but PA-17 and also picked up PA-11, which  was drawn to favor Democrats.

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[ Parent ]
PA 2002 Reapportionment was not smart BUT
PA-10 wasn't the map makers' fault.  If Congressman Chokehold (Don Sherwood) didn't turn out to be what he was then the Republicans would never have lost the tenth even in 2006 or 2008.

Chris Carney barely won because Sherwood choked his mistress.


[ Parent ]
PA is dummymandered
When a party gerrymanders to max out gains, and it ends up backfiring, like PA did.  

[ Parent ]
I just skimmed through the case
It looks to me like it only applies to state legislative districts, not congressional ones.  

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I think NC Democrats would be wise to raise the premise, though
No doubt, the Republicans will try to gerrymander, but Democrats should at least raise a challenge. If the state legislative districts have to follow certain regulations, then the Democrats could argue the congressional districts should as well. If the argument is strong enough, it could save North Carolina Democrats some seats.

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Republican SSP
If there is anyone that did not e-mail me this weekend but is interested in helping out with the Republican SSP, e-mail me at jmlee0695@hotmail.com. We will be having a group chat today at 2 CST. I need your e-mails for you to join though. If you already e-mailed me, check your e-mail shortly before 2 to find the invitation for the chat.  

Creating links within Swingstate?
Whenever I try to post a link in a comment to another diary or comment on Swingstate, it fails.

For example, I tried to post a link to DCal's comment above on the new North Carolina redistricting standards over in SaoMagnifico's Wyoming-rule thread on North Carolina. I created the link by switching to wysiwyg, highlighting the word "here" in my comment, and clicking the little link icon, and then pasting the URL I get when I click on the time stamp on DCal's comment into the appropriate field.

However, when you actually click on the link in my comment over in SaoMagnifico's diary, it tries to open it up within the diary. Somehow "/diary/8070" got added to my link.

This has happened to me a number of times now. What am I doing wrong?

30, male, MI-11 (previously VA-08). Evangelical, postconservative, green.


Just copy and paste
I don't know how to name the link, but I just copy and paste the full URL.

[ Parent ]
Try the following
Substituting "[" and "]" for "{" and "}".

{Link Description http://www.heresthelink.com/}


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CA-AG race is OVER: Kamala Harris wins!!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/...

Indepedent/Lean D. Dude.
All 5s (now TX-5; frmly VA-5 and CA-5)  


WOOHOO!!!!!


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[ Parent ]
Cooley wasn't even at his own concession announcement
He left it up to his campaign manager. That sure looked bitter.

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