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Weak GOP gerrymander for PA - 13-5 in a good year

by: Englishlefty

Sun Nov 28, 2010 at 4:09 PM EST


Republicans had a great night in Pennsylvania this November, which makes drawing a decent map for them really hard.

The problem for them is, fundamentally, that they won in all the wrong places. They knocked off Carney and Kanjorski, whereas if they'd taken only one of them they could have packed the survivor's district and used the redder bits of his district to make Charlie Dent a little later. They held PA-6 and took back PA-7 and PA-8, meaning that it's that much harder to protect their representatives in the suburban Philadelphia area, whereas if the Dems had held one seat then it would have been possible to shift the other districts further from the city.

And they didn't knock off Critz or Altmire, meaning that they'll have to work a little harder to give them unwinnable districts.

All in all, they'd have a lot more options for the coming redistricting if they'd won a few less districts and if more of them had been in western PA.

But what's done is done. Republicans can enjoy their gains for now and they'll just have to work to try to keep them - because there's no way they'll willingly concede seats in the next redistricting.

This map is an attempt to strengthen the Republican freshmen and to eliminate the last two Democratic representative in western Pennsylvania outside Pittsburgh. By giving Tim Holden a reasonably strong Democratic district, it frees up enough red territory to give the Republicans a fighting chance of a 13-5 advantage out of the state.

But this is not without risk. McCain got beaten by ten points in Pennsylvania and five Republicans in this new map will represent districts he lost. If they all flipped, Democrats would have a 10-8 advantage out of the state. If Joe Pitts can't adapt to his new district, it could be as bad as 11-7.

On the other hand, it's almost impossible to defend all twelve Republican congressmen in the state effectively. This map improves the prospects of each Republican in a district Obama won by at least four points net. I won't pretend this map doesn't have weaknesses, but it's probably the best the Republicans can do.

As an added challenge, I endeavoured to keep townships together, as I don't think the advantage gained by splitting them outweighs the negative press received for doing so. This doesn't apply in Philadelphia, as the Republicans have no reason to care about a backlash there.

I would have like to be able to give Sestak-Toomey results, as it'd establish how safe these seats would be in a good year (i.e. if Joe Pitts' district would still have been a bit marginal this year then he might be in trouble either way), but sadly not all counties have put up results by precinct yet. Most have, but several important ones like Montgomery and Erie haven't, so sadly we lack that method of double-checking.

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Englishlefty :: Weak GOP gerrymander for PA - 13-5 in a good year
Philly close-up

PA-1
Incumbent: Bob Brady
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
684861 35 50 8 5

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 88 12
New lines 87 12
% change -1% +0%

Like I said, redistricting isn't going to be as much fun for the Republicans as it might have been. If they want to enjoy themselves, they'll have to make their own entertainment.

In this map I represented that by drawing the new PA-1 as minority-majority (which the Republicans would be mad not to try for, as with no retrogression they can create two Democratic vote sinks that will be almost impossible to eliminate).

I also noted that according to his candidate petitions Bob Brady lives in Ward 34 Precinct 34, which is on the very western edge of West Philadelphia. I therefore slipped it into Allyson Schwartz's district.

Now, Bob Brady is quite capable of moving a few blocks back into the district, assuming election law actually requires him to. And he's represented a minority-majority district for long enough that making it 50% black won't have him quaking in his boots. But still, Republicans have to get their giggles somehow. And spite is the gift that keeps on giving.

The district itself is somewhat less interesting. It keeps its strip through southern Delaware County to Chester, as well as the areas of Darby, Yeadon and Sharon Hill, and combines these these with south, west and central Philadelphia, together with portions of north Philly and much of Kensington.

PA-2
Incumbent: Chaka Fattah
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
685048 34 50 10 3

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 90 10
New lines 88 12
% change -2% +2%

Chaka Fattah is harder to draw out, so Republicans will have to settle for just giving him the biggest district in the state population-wise.

There's very little to say about this district. It narrowly remains above 50% black and takes in the rest of Philadelphia, bar small portions of the Northeast and Northwest. Much of it is new to Fattah, but I can't imagine him facing too many problems with it.

PA-3 (was PA-13)
Incumbent: Allyson Schwartz, Bob Brady, Patrick Murphy
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
681192 83 8 3 4

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 59 41
New lines 64 35
% change +5% -6%

It'd be much easier to pack the Democratic vote if the Philadelphia suburbs hadn't elected so many Republicans this year. As a result, the task is largely left to Schwartz, who gets a district that's absolutely safe in the hope she doesn't get ideas like running for governor any time soon.

I've renumbered the districts, because if you're going to gerrymander you should at least care enough to cover your tracks by numbering the districts in a vaguely logical order (even if my order does involve flying betwen north and south Pennsylvania like a fairground ride.)

The district keeps its core in southern Montgomery County and Northeast Philadelphia, although much of northern Montgomery is moved elsewhere. To this it adds Northwest Philadelphia west of Wissahickon Creek and north of Cresheim Creek, plus Bensalem southern parts of Levitttown in Bucks County. In doing so, it also mops up the home of Patrick Murphy, in an attempt to keep him out of Fitzpatrick's hair.

SE PA close-up

PA-4 (was PA-8)
Incumbent: Mike Fitzpatrick
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
682279 92 2 2 2

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 54 45
New lines 52 47
% change -2% +2%

Fitzpatrick's district is improved by four points net and Murphy is removed from his district. That said, it's not all smiles for him.

Swapping southern Bucks for reddish or marginal parts of eastern and northern Montgomery helps him a little. On the other hand, he could be helped a lot more if the last 35,000 of his population requirement didn't have to be filled by taking Easton off Charlie Dent's hands.

This district is slightly more Republican than the nation as a whole, and if Fitzpatrick endears himself to his constituents he could well survive. On the other hand, he has to be hoping Sarah Palin gets nowhere near the Republican nomination. The last thing he needs in 2012 is a combination of presidential year turnout and a candidate guaranteed to drive suburban voters into voting for Democrats.

PA-5 (was PA-6)
Incumbent: Jim Gerlach, Manan Trivedi
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
680512 90 3 3 3

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 58 41
New lines 53 46
% change -5% +5%

Jim Gerlach is never going to be entirely safe, but this district might give him a bit of extra comfort for a couple of cycles.

Like Fitzpatrick, he has to help Dent out in the Lehigh Valley, in Gerlach's case grabbing Bethlehem plus southern portions of Lehigh and Northampton counties. Nevertheless, these areas aren't overwhelmingly blue and in all other cases boundary changes are in his favour.

He gives up much of Chester County to let the new PA-6 through and abandons Reading and its most Democratic suburbs to Tim Holden.

In return, he picks up absolutely blood-red, 70-30 McCain areas in northwest Berks and northeast Lancaster, which are less likely to turn blue suddenly than his current suburban turf.

PA-6 (was PA-7)
Incumbent: Pat Meehan
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
679961 90 5 2 3

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 56 43
New lines 51 48
% change -5% +5%

Pat Meehan is probably the big winner on this map, which is largely accidental, as I figured that if there had to be a Republican casualty in the southeast, he'd be first in line as a freshman who hadn't previously served in Congress.

His district moves a net ten points towards Republicans. Well, I say his district. Rather than being centred on Delaware County, it now draws less than 250,000 from that source. In the process, it has offloaded the homes of Sestak and Bryan Lentz to Joe Pitts' district.

It makes up for this by heading west through the central parts of Chester county, turning northwestwards and heading through Lancaster county into southern Lebanon county and eastern Dauphine county, finishing up in the outer suburbs of Harrisburg.

With no part of the district outside Delaware County large enough to provide a base for primary challengers and with a lot of new turf that won't turn blue in a hurry, Pat Meehan can afford to feel very pleased with himself.

Until he realises that Obama still won this district, so he can't feel entirely comfortable.

PA-7 (was PA-16)
Incumbent: Joe Pitts, Joe Sestak, Bryan Lentz
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
681623 91 4 3 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 48 51
New lines 49 51
% change +1% +0%

Although he represents the first district we've yet seen that McCain won, Joe Pitts is probably the biggest Republican loser on this map.

It's not drastic in terms of pure partisanship. Obama improves by only 1% compared to the old lines. But whilst he's dropped Reading and Lancaster and picked up reliably red turf in southern York County, he's also absorbed a little over 200,000 new largely Democratic voters in Delaware County.

If he's ready to adapt himself to a more suburban audience, he'll do fine. McCain won the new district and it's likely Bush did so with huge margins. But if he can't do that and if Joe Sestak fancies running for Congress again, there could be problems for Pennsylvania Republicans.

PA-8 (was PA-17)
Incumbent: Tim Holden
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
683263 77 9 10 2

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 48 51
New lines 56 43
% change +8% -8%

This isn't, I will admit, a pretty district, but it's a functional one. The cities of Lancaster, Harrisburg, Lebanon, Pottsville and Reading are joined by stretches of extremely red countryside, forming the semblance of an M, then parts of central Schuykill are shoved in to make sure Holden runs here.

A community of interest district of south-eastern Pennsylvanian cities that don't simply look to Philadelphia is created, Tim Holden gets a much safer district, but a progressive enough one for him to be troubled in the primary and Republicans get to take vast red areas from his current district, as well not having to face up to him in the general election. Everybody wins, except the 30% Obama areas that get their voting preferences drowned out by the cities.

PA-9 (was PA-15)
Incumbent: Charlie Dent
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
681623 88 3 7 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 56 43
New lines 54 45
% change -2% +2%

This district isn't as much as an improvement as some, but Charlie Dent won't be too disappointed. His new territory in the Poconos went for Obama, but Pat Toomey won it by over 5,000 votes and the Coal County portions of the district went narrowly for McCain.

In the old core of the district, meanwhile, his margins are hardly hurt by exchanging Easton and Bethlehem (and his last challenger) for red bits of north Berkshire County is hardly going to hurt.

Of course, Dent has always won fairly easily by keeping his head down and he might suffer some backlash from this fairly deliberate attempt to carve up the Lehigh Valley. But I doubt that'll do him enough damage to cancel out the four-point net Republican improvement in this district.

PA-10 (was PA-11)
Incumbent: Lou Barletta
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
680221 97 1 1 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 57 42
New lines 52 47
% change -5% +5%

Let's be honest here - Paul Kanjorski was a terrible candidate. He nearly lost a district that Obama won by fifteen points in 2008, and followed that up by a ten-point defeat against the same opponent in 2010, whilst Joe Sestak carried the district by four points.

Given a better year for Democrats and a better candidate like Corey O'Brien, Barletta could be in real trouble. The district is therefore heavily reconfigured. Swingy Carbon and Monroe Counties are given to Dent, whilst in Lackawanna County it abandons Scranton (and O'Brien's residence in Moosic) to the 11th, whilst absorbing most of the 11th (old 10th)'s portions of Lackawanna County, as well as the entirety of Wyoming County.

In the south-west of the district, it expands to take in much of the Coal Region, including the entirety of Northumberland and Montour counties, northern Dauphin and northwest Schuykill.

It's still a district Obama won, although the margin is slightly less than he managed nationally. But without the Democratic juggernaught of Scranton and with downscale and monolithically white coal counties which ought to be sympathetic to his immigrant-baiting populism, Barletta might just have a chance of holding on past 2012.

PA-11 (was PA-10)
Incumbent: Tom Marino, Chris Carney, Corey O'Brien
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
680774 94 2 1 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 45 54
New lines 46 53
% change +1% -1%

Chris Carney performed very strongly in his portion of Lackawanna County, but he got beaten by at least ten points everywhere else. There's no great shame in that, as they're all red counties and he outperformed Joe Sestak by at least 5% in every single one of them, but he did lose pretty big.

Carney initially won by the simple expedient of running in a very strong Democratic year and facing an incumbent who choked his mistress. He retained his position in 2008 by maintaining a very conservative voting record. But this isn't a very Democratic district and Marino ought to be able to hold on here with ease.

I therefore didn't feel any great need to concentrate on making Marino too safe. I gave him the rest of Lycoming County to build his base and he also picked up Perry, Juniata and Mifflin counties, which whilst small are also the most Republican in Pennsylvania. These advantages, however, are more than outweighed by the loss of Wyoming County, the addition of a section of Centre County (including State College) that went for Obama by 15 points and Scranton.

Obama won the Lackawanna parts of the district by 32 points. McCain won the rest by 13 points. So it's not like my attempts at diluting Scranton's votes are subtle. But it ought to work, especially since Carney's path to a rematch is likely to be blocked by a primary with a Lackawanna Democrat and since many of the primary voters will be further to the left than the Blue Dog Carney.

PA-12 (was PA-19)
Incumbent: Todd Russell Platts
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
682014 92 3 3 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 43 56
New lines 41 58
% change -2% +2%

I didn't set out to strengthen Platts, but given the strength of the red turf around him it was hard not to. His district loses much of York County to give Joe Pitts a chance and compensates by grabbing the rest of Cumberland County plus Franklin County.

Except for York and a very few Harrisburg suburbs, there's pretty much no Democratic strength in the district.

That said, it's neither an overly cohesive nor a pretty-looking district. Franklin County doesn't really belong in s South Central Pennsylvania district and the lines in York are as bad as they are because I had to preserve Platts' home in the district.

If Republicans pick a more cautious option, expect them to concede a seat in the Delaware County area and combine Pitts with Platts. Platts' occasional outbursts of sanity would surely doom him in the primary and it'd be possible to draw much neater lines.

For that matter, I wouldn't be shocked if Republicans drew Platts out of here anyway and replaced him with somebody more reliably obstructive.

SW PA close-up

PA-13 (was PA-9)
Incumbent: Bill Shuster, Mark Critz
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
680879 96 2 1 0

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 35 63
New lines 42 57
% change +7% -6%

Removing Mark Critz really isn't that difficult. He lives in Johnstown and derives his margin of victory from parts of Cambria County plus the towns along the Monongahela River.

By throwing all of Cambria County into the new 13th, which otherwise takes only a few small and red-leaning parts of Armstrong and Indiana from the old 12th, he's left with a district a net fourteen points more Republican than the one he currently has. Meantime, Shuster keeps all his old base.

Otherwise, this district is basically just a much less ugly version of the old 9th. County fragments are reduced, with the district no longer taking in any of Fayette or heading north-west through the Appalachians towards Harrisburg. Spurs towards the Allegheny Plateau and Pittsburgh make it a little less compact than it might otherwise have been, but it's a long way from the worst district on this map.

In the process, it goes from being a 35% Obama to a 42% Obama district, but there's really not much need for an R+17 district in Pennsylvania. R+10 or so is fine.

PA-14 (was PA-5)
Incumbent: G. T. Thompson, Kathy Dahlkemper
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
683996 95 3 1 0

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 44 55
New lines 46 52
% change +2% -3%

The most populous district designed for a Republican, this district remains broadly similar to the old 5th, it just shifts a county or so north-west.

In the process, the city of Erie is drawn into the district. Without Erie, the district is actually even more Republican than before (the removal of State College to the 11th helps). With it, the district moves towards the blue team, although as there's a lack of Democratic strength anywhere in it outside the north-west of the district, it shouldn't be overly vulnerable.

Kathy Dahlkemper lives here, but most of the district is new to her and the rest of the district could be won by just about any Democrat, so there's no reason to assume she'd be the obvious 2012 challenger.

PA-15 (was PA-3)
Incumbent: Mike Kelly
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
681691 94 4 1 0

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 49 49
New lines 47 51
% change -2% +2%

I know almost nothing about Mike Kelly, so if he's a complete nutter then you might need to give him a safer district. If he's at least somewhat sub-Bachmann, however, this district, which maintains the core of the old 3rd, ought to be defensible by him.

Residual Democratic strength in Lawrence and Beaver Counties might cause him a little problem initially, but at least on a presidential level Democratic strength is already limited to the areas bordering the Ohio, Beaver and Shenango rivers, and if he's still around by the end of the decade then Democratic strength in western PA may be a bygone memory.

PA-16 (was PA-4)
Incumbent: Jason Altmire, Keith Rothfus
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
682825 96 2 1 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 44 55
New lines 42 57
% change -2% +2%

Altmire just hung on this year, but the unwinding of Democratic strength in the west will make his job a little harder everyday. This map just aims to make it that little bit harder.

Beaver and Lawrence counties, which still vote Democratic downticket, are replaced by large chunks the considerably more Republican Westmoreland County. Of the seven state representatives representing Westmoreland-based districts in the general assembly, Democrats hold two that was uncontested and one that was contested this year, Republicans hold three (including one gain), whilst the seventh representative was nominated by both parties, so the downticket trend is clearly well-advanced there.

In Allegheny, most of the land north of Pittsburgh and the rivers is taken, except for a small area in the north-east that I dumped into the 13th. South of the Ohio, a thin line of swingy tonwships is also taken to help out Tim Murphy.

This might not finish off Altmire entirely - you'd need to dissect his base and doing so could endanger somebody else - but it'll make his life more difficult and make him that much more vulnerable to bad Democratic years.

His 2010 challenger, Keith Rothfus, remains in the district, but other and more intimidating candidates might emerge.

PA-17 (was PA-14)
Incumbent: Mike Doyle
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
684659 74 21 1 2

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 70 29
New lines 69 30
% change -1% +1%

Doyle's district maintains its original core of the city of Pittsburgh and some close suburbs, but to achieve population equality and to screw over Mark Critz whilst protecting Tim Murphy, it then heads down the Monongahela valley, taking in parts of Allegany, Washington, Westmoreland, Fayette and Green counties and reaching almost to the West Virginia border. No townships are split, which is the reason the district becomes slightly less Democratic.

The district remains entirely safe, and the other half of Mark Critz's base is securely esconced in a Democratic district.

PA-18
Incumbent: Tim Murphy
Population White Black Hispanic Asian
683653 95 2 1 1

Obama % McCain %
Old lines 44 55
New lines 46 53
% change +2% -2%

Murphy takes, somewhat obviously, everything that's left. This basically consists of non-riverine portions of Fayette, Greene and Washington, south-east Westmoreland and much of south and south-west Allegheny.

Whilst it does get a little more Democratic, Murphy has represented most of this area for long enough not to face too many problems.

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I think it will have become clear by now where the major weaknesses with the map lie. How long can the GOP hold on to suburban Philadelphia seats that are trending against them, and would it be smarter just to give them up? How do you get three Republicans out of the Lehigh Valley and the north-east without making yourself very vulnerable to waves? Is it safe to split Erie County? How much do you have to weaken Altmire to guarantee his defeat? How much duct tape will be needed to shut up Joe Pitts?

I'd guess that at some point towards 2020 this map will be 10-8 Republican at best. It could get even worse. But I can't see them abandoning any of their incumbents, so they have relatively little choice.

Suggestions as to how they can do this better are, of course, gratefully received

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I like this, and I think it's fairly plausible
I grew up in your new 3rd. What's really impressive to me is that it could possibly be a Democratic vote sink--though the numbers make it clear that it is. It combines the WASPY Main Line (of Philadelphia Story fame) with white ethnic northeast Philadelphia (and similar downscale white portions of Bucks county). From 100 yards away, therefore, it seems very much like the 13th district it replaces (which was intended in 2002 to be a swing district).

George H. W. Bush probably won this district as drawn in 1988, and so did many other regional and statewide Republicans.

Overall, I would say that the Republican districts you've drawn are probably safer for Republicans in the SE than they appear, and riskier in the SW than they appear. Moreover, if the Republicans had drawn a map like this in 2002, they would likely have preserved more of their territory in 2006.


Which ones in the SW are particularly risky?
I could see Altmire surviving if the Democrats don't have a bad year until about 2018, by which time he's heading towards a committee chairmanship and has a large enough personal vote to make him impregnable. But I can't see Murphy facing trouble either way - he represents much of the district at the moment and he's never faced a particularly tough re-election battle. Fayette and Greene are bluer than they seem, but surely not by enough to give him major headaches?

Or do you mean my northwestern districts?


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It is conceivable, though not probable
That Critz could survive in your 13th. It is probably even likely that Altmire will win the district you've given him.

As for Murphy, his district has clearly trended redder over the years, but it's never been totally out of reach for Democrats. And the right Democrat could win it.

Consider the open seat race for Auditor in 2004. Or the Republicans's worst nightmare, Treasurer in 2004. Likewise, Senator in 2006.

Obviously you can't gerrymander to protect against the worst case scenario, but I don't think your SW accounts for a fairly frequent scenario.  


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I've got my doubts Critz could survive
The new district is very much redder and is much more like Shuster's than his.

But yes, I'd agree it's not absolutely disaster-proof.

Still, given that Murphy's never been held below 58%, I'm inclined to say it makes sense for Republicans to take a risk. If Pennsylvania rejects them that much, they'll lose seats whatever they do.


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Very interesting Map
If I was the head GOP guy in PA I would take just a slightly different approach.

I would not concede a seat to Holden.  Nope would not do it.  

I would attach Lancaster county (all it) plus lebanon county then snake into Schuykill and grab Holden home and his hometown plus most of the democrats that breathing.

I would attach York and Adams county to Southern Dauphin plus all of Harrisburg

Republican oriented Northern Dauphin plus the balance of Shyhyll would be attached to Shuster's 9th

The 6th comes out and gets Most of Berks plus Dent gets the NW corner of Berks with PA8 getting the balance.

That's a rough draft and you make PA11 & PA10 more GOP by moving west.  


That won't really work
There's basically no way to go after Holden while also protecting the other Republican reps in the Philly burbs. In order to go after Holden and not force an incumbent to walk the plank. If you disagree I highly encourage you to post a map that does so.

25, Democrat, male, Currently living and voting in PA-2, originally form OK-1

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to lazy do to a map as
I prefer to deal with general theories at this point.  I might do some maps once we get the 2010 census sorted out.  I fully admit to being an armchair observor at this point.

English lefty shows the problem the GOP faces and I just offered a different  solution.  Districts 1-2-6-7-8-13 which are the six Philly and Philly suburbs seats are basically some 350K short of people to meet population standards.

English lefty had Gerlach's district go across Berks county into Lehigh county plus Meehan's old 7th district cuts through Berks and other counties heading west.

I just purpose moves into Berks instead of the tangents that hardlefty suggests.

My basic for seat elimination is this: If you are going to eliminate a seat from the other political party try to eliminate the seat that is strongest for your party.

So in PA it would be suicide for the GOP to eliminate PA13.  Does PA6 or PA7 or PA8 gain partisan strength from any territory in PA13?

PA17-Holden's seat is quite republican other then Harrisburg.  So you just have to finesse Harrisburg (placed in a safe GOP seat) plus Holden's home county which I would divide and place in two other safe GOP seats.  

At this point I suggest the ideas and let others if interestedlook at the details.  

What will the GOP in PA do?  Not sure but I am dead certain they are thinking real hard about how to chop up Holden's seat.  The westward movement that is required in PA forces one to ponder that situation.  


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If you do that, Joe Pitts loses
The only way this map is even remotely tenable is by using very red bits of Lancaster, and to a lesser extent Berks and York, to firm up the Republican districts around Philadelphia.

Give them to Holden and Gerlach and Meehan have districts no better than before (perhaps a little worse in Meehan's case) and there's no way to give Pitts a district McCain won. And he doesn't have the bipartisan appeal to survive that.


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Here's the issue:
Obama had a somewhat unusual pattern of strength. In particular, even for a winning Democrat, he did better in Dauphin and Lancaster than would have been expected given his statewide score.

I don't think the Harrisburg/Lancaster region is nearly as Democratic as Obama/McCain makes it out to be. At the very least, we need another election to confirm the results there.

For building a gerrymander, I think that Bush/Kerry (or even Sestak/Toomey) is simply a better starting point.


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Certainly Sestak/Toomey
Not so sure about Bush/Kerry - it makes them look safer in SE PA than they are, whilst it promotes caution in the SW, which is the one reason where they can overreach and still have a hope of gaining the areas back by the end of the decade anyway.

If Montgomery and Erie produce precinct results relatively soon, I'll run the Sestak-Toomey numbers, as they seem fairly standard bar quite a lot of strength in Lackawanna for Sestak and a slight home advantage in the Lehigh Valley for Toomey.

Still, whether or not Obama overperformed in Lancaster Co., its the red bits of that county that save Meehan and Pitts. And either way, the city of Lancaster is blue enough to be bad for either of them.


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I think Sestak/Toomey is near-baseline
with the exception of the Lehigh Valley. In my view--and I haven't done the math--Toomey's old district saved him from a near-loss.

Lackawanna is really hard to predict. AG 2004, for example is sort of difficult to explain.  


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Toomey's margin out of Lehigh and Northampton is around 10,000
He won the state by about 75,000. Surely a baseline Democratic victory wouldn't have a 65,000 margin of victory out of these two counties?

Or did Toomey's PA-15 use to be much larger than Dent's?


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Hmm, looking at some past results
I think you're right. I think in a normal election about 15-20k votes would have shifted from Toomey to Sestak in the Lehigh valley.  

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Impressive job
I like this map, although I still think they're going to try for a more reasonable 12-6, just getting rid of Critz.  As much as Democrat-Democrat primary matchups are the usual story when it comes to getting rid of an incumbent from the out party when partisan redistricting occurs, it is far easier to let Critz die in Shuster's territory.  As you say, there's no need for a heavily McCain district when a R+10 will do just fine.

I still think, though, that they'd try a bit harder to give Holden a more reliably Democratic district than a 56% Obama district.  And if they decide they have to sacrifice a Republican, might they choose Barlatta instead of Meehan?  Pennsylvania locals correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there still some semblance of a Delaware County GOP machine, particularly down-ballot?  Also, as the former U.S. attorney for SE PA, I would think that Meehan would be a formidable incumbent for the Democrats to dislodge, especially if he adopts a centrist voting record.  I would also caution that given Joe Pitts' social conservatism, you really cannot draw him into pro-choice suburban Phily like you have.  This area famously sat on its hands in 2000 when the Democrats nominated an anti-choice congressman from Western PA against Santorum.  Pitts would be an utter anathema to moderates in the region and might further accentuate the partisan shifts that have been occurring in Delaware County since Bush I carried it back in 1988....


Good point about Pitts
except that I think this district as drawn went overwhelmingly for Bush over Kerry in 2004, when the contrast on abortion rights could not have been clearer.  

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possibly
I'd have to see closeups of Delaware County to be sure, though.  

Does anyone know who, specifically, among Republicans in the state legislature, will be primarily drawing district lines?  Like in 2002, when both Murphy and Gerlach drew their way into congress, I wouldn't be all that surprised to see one or two aspiring state legislators try to personally aggrandize themselves.


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A Couple Thoughts
It's gone mostly unnoticed, but Pitts' district has moved quite a bit underneath him; he's now a few clicks to the right of his current electorate. Obviously we know about Chester County, but even Lancaster County (check out the city of Lancaster) is not the far-right bastion it used to be, at least by 2008 numbers. Sending a guy like this not used to running competitive campaigns deep into unfamiliar territory in close-in Philly suburbs could be a recipe for trouble.

(And both things factor in. Giving an incumbent lots of new territory is a net negative for him or her, because in that area, the incumbency advantage is greatly diminished, particularly if they're unlikely to have heard of the incumbent.)

Of course the GOP is going to have to make a tradeoff somewhere. They may do this to shore up Meehan and/or Gerlach. I can guarantee you Pitts won't be happy about it.


36, M, Democrat, MD-03


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I think (and it would be better for Republicans & Meehan)
if Pitts retires.  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
I tried pretty hard with Holden
I can see the map dropping the lunge to Lancaster, and possibly Harrisburg too, and instead sending him north-east. But short of sending him right up to Scranton, which would really screw up the shapes of districts and which they couldn't pass in 2002, you aren't going to be able to give him a fantastically safe district. The territory between the cites is just too red.

Sacrificing Barletta would make more sense if he was closer to Philadelphia. As it is, making the sacrifice doesn't help Meehan at all, unless you respond by sending Holden in really close.

Think you might have a point about Pitts and Meehan. I'd have to redraw a lot to get round that, as the Republican strength in Meehan's district comes mostly from the northern bits he'd have to drop to take more suburbs, but there's a lot of truth to what you say there.

So if they're not aiming to eliminate Altmire, you think they'd give him Erie County and send Butler into Westmoreland? It'd certainly make sense, but they came so close to getting him this year that you can see why they'd be tempted to give him just a slightly harder bar to jump.


[ Parent ]
The republican redistricting of Pennsylvania will give a lot of swing districts

Sure.

I think we would be so happy with a map like this, because we expect worse things, and that mean this would be not enough for the republicans.

I think we will have only 4 D+ districts. I'm more pessimistic. The districts of Brady, Fattah, Doyle and Schwartz. And a lot of R+1 to R+5 districts.

Very nice work.


This PA-18 is more Democratic than it appears
It is very similar to the district that Republicans eliminated in 2002 to get rid of Frank Mascara.  The right Democrat could win this district.

Mascara's district was pretty marginal in the early 1990s
Democrats almost lost it in 1992, 1994 and 1996. And the area's much redder now.

That's not to say that the right Democrat couldn't win this district, but unless somebody is able to name somebody who'd make it a toss-up against Murphy, I don't see the need to worry too much about it. It's still a Republican-leaning district, which makes it much safer than most of this map.


[ Parent ]
Correction
For the PA-09 section I think you mean Berks County, since Berkshire County is on the western border of Massachusetts.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Tim Holden
Very nice map. Given how many gains the GOP had they are not going to try to "throw one of their own under the bus" and this is going to create a lot of swing districts. In a good year Dems could be looking at a 3-4 seat gain and in a great year 5-7 seats assuming a tidal wave hit PA.

One question that I had is with Tim Holden. Clearly, under this scenario his district would be much more Democratic friendly. In past redistricting experiences does someone like him who has a moderate voting record move significantly or slightly to the left to reflect his new district or do they remain about the same? I'd be curious to if there were any examples of this recently as I can't think of any off the top of my head from 2000 or even 1990.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  


I don't know about redistricting...
But take a look at Sen. Gillibrand's about-face on a few key issues upon going from upstate Blue Dog congresswoman to U.S. senator. She was a centrist in the House, but she's to the left of the Democratic caucus in the Senate.

20, center-left independent, Auckland Central resident, MD-05 voter, OR-01 native

[ Parent ]
MontCo
I have an Excel-formatted print-out of the voting data; feel free to send an e-mail and it will be provided as an attachment.

rsklaroff@comcast.net


Comment needed for Wall Street Journal article
Hey,

Could you contact me at danny.yadron@wsj.com for an article I'm working on.

Thanks much,
Danny



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