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NC-02: Etheridge to Concede

by: Crisitunity

Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 1:48 PM EST


One more race down in the House, with NC-02 coming to a conclusion. The recount requested by Bobby Etheridge didn't seem to change the numbers much, if at all:
Democratic Rep. Bobby Etheridge will concede to Republican Renee Ellmers, a Democratic source confirms.

With local election officials completing their recount of votes cast in North Carolina's 2nd District race, Ellmers led Etheridge by 1,489 votes.

With Ellmers pretty clearly on the outs with the NRCC, the real question here for her survival in 2012 is how much the North Carolina legislature, under GOP control for the redistricting process, will reconfigure the Raleigh area lines in order to protect Ellmers. (You might remember that a similarly-configured 2nd also had a Republican Rep. for 2 years following the previous GOP wave in 1994, the long-forgotten David Funderburk, beaten in 1996 by Etheridge.) The current configuration of the district (which includes part of Raleigh proper) is swingy enough (R+2) that she could have a rough time in her first re-election... unless her district gets pushed further out into the exurbs and rural counties, and Brad Miller's NC-13 becomes more Raleigh-centric.

Of all the list of outstanding races, this was the one that seemed least likely to get reversed, given that the disparity was always in the four digits and the AP never un-called the race. That leaves only four House races left to resolve, including CA-11 and CA-20, where Dem victories seem very likely, meaning that NY-01 and NY-25 are the real question marks. (UPDATE: Make that five, as a recount is still pending in the likely loss in TX-27.)

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Not sure why Etheridge drew this out so long. The margin was pretty clear and the voters of the district rejected him. He has nobody to blame but himself for that.

Congrats to Congresswomen-Elect Renee Ellmers, I'm sure like all the other North Carolina Republicans in Congress she will be a solid NO vote on just about everything. I have a feeling her district will be redistricted just enough for her to win for the next decade.  


Maybe Now
Etheridge can pursue his real passion: as a bouncer in Raleigh's hottest nightclubs. That choke hold of his is sic!

The GOP can only do so much damage
in gerrymandering.  Currently, the 2nd has black parts of Raleigh and Fayetteville.  Take those out and those sections will likely be split between Miller (The Raleigh part) and either Kissell/McIntyre (the Fayetteville part).  There's not much other way around it.  So, they can either shore her up and let her continue to just be her awesome self or they can screw her by leaving the lines mostly untouched and in turn screw Kissell or McIntyre (very hard to do both).

28, male, NC-13 formerly NC-01, 04, 05, 07, 11

They can go after both Kissell and McIntyre while shoring up Ellmers
Here is what that map would look like:

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NC-01: 62% Obama-37% McCain
NC-02: 55% McCain-44% Obama
NC-03: 56% McCain-43% Obama
NC-04: 64% Obama-35% McCain
NC-05: 57% McCain-41% Obama
NC-06: 58% McCain-41% Obama
NC-07: 58% McCain-41% Obama
NC-08: 57% McCain-42% Obama
NC-09: 56% McCain-44% Obama
NC-10: 57% McCain-42% Obama
NC-11: 57% McCain-41% Obama
NC-12: 76% Obama-23% McCain
NC-13: 70% Obama-29% McCain

Basically in exchange for protecting Ellmers and getting rid of McIntyre, Kissell, and possibly Shuler, Brad Miller and David Price keep their seats (along with G.K. Butterfield and Mel Watt), mainly because this iteration of the 4th district is very different than the current one. The lines could be cleaned up a little but it is definitely possible for them to accomplish this goal. As I said on another thread, I think the GOP will go after McIntyre in order to help cement its state/local gains in Eastern NC, which has long been Democratic but where we lost a lot of state legislative seats in 2010, rather than going after Brad Miller.


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Nice Map
but is it possible to number your districts on the Map?  I'm not sure which number corresponds to which district.  

Also, is the dark green district not contiguous?


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Here are the district numbers
NC-01: Dark Blue (Northeastern NC)
NC-02: Dark Green (Triangle area)
NC-03: Purple (Eastern NC)
NC-04: Red (Greensboro, Triangle, Fayetteville)
NC-05: Yellow (Piedmont, Foothills, Western NC)
NC-06: Teal (Piedmont)
NC-07: Gray (Eastern NC)
NC-08: Bluish Purple (Charlotte, Piedmont, Fayetteville)
NC-09: Cyan (Charlotte)
NC-10: Magenta (Foothills, Charlotte)
NC-11: Light Green (Western NC, Foothills)
NC-12: Lavender (Charlotte, Piedmont, Winston-Salem, Greensboro)
NC-13: Tan (Triangle)

There is touch-point contiguity between districts 2 and 4 at that one point in Lee County so that Ellmers does not get some Democratic areas in Chatham County. This is legally acceptable in NC and the current map has touch-point contiguity between districts 6 and 13 in Guilford County.


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I'm skeptical
That that map will pass muster.  Our 1992 maps did not pass (ones we drew) because blacks were packed in too much (64% in the first and 70% in the 12th).  Aside, there is the whole contiguous aspect.  At one point back then, the 12th was only as wide as I-85 and went from Gastonia to Durham; The first went from the VA border all the way to Wilmington and Fayetteville.

28, male, NC-13 formerly NC-01, 04, 05, 07, 11

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This map is very similar to the current one in the Voting Rights Act aspects
This district 1 is plurality black (49%), while district 12 is 51% black. Under the current map with the 2000 population stats, district 1 is 51% black while district 12 is 45% black. The lines I drew are very similar to the current minority-majority districts that survived a whole decade without being found unconstitutional. The lines back then were ridiculous, I agree, here is a link to a map: http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/GI...

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Wow!
The memories of that are incredible, haha.  I don't quibble with your VRA districts - there's really not much that can be done with those.  When I post my maps, the only thing different I did was take the 1st through Granville County to Durham.  That brings it up to 53% and I have my 12th in the 48-49% range.  Its really almost impossible to truly pack them in while staying away from 92-era maps.

I think some of the other stuff you did, with all respect of course, just won't fly.  You can see it in some of what we did in the early 1990s in the way we took the 5th over to Morganton and the 10th towards Asheville.  The GOP will be very sensitive to the compact/contiguous thing since they got better districts (which they just won in) out of the 2003 lawsuit.

What part of the state are you in? I remember you saying at one point you were a North Carolinian!  There's a few of us on here.

28, male, NC-13 formerly NC-01, 04, 05, 07, 11


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With the 1992 plan
In Western NC it was drawn to protect long-time Democratic 5th district incumbent Steven Neal and weaken freshman 11th district Republican incumbent Charles Taylor. I actually used Dave's App to redraw those old districts and McCain won 52% in the 5th and 11th districts under that map. I don't think the litigation was over the partisan nature of those districts, it's just that by the time the NC legislature was tasked with redrawing the districts in 1997/98, Charles Taylor and Richard Burr had become entrenched incumbents and I don't think they cared that much anymore about trying to gerrymander them into competitive districts. In terms of the county splitting, there are now restraints on state legislative redistricting doing that but not necessarily congressional redistricting as a result of the 2003 state supreme court case. The Republicans should be more sensitive, but based on their track record so far in abandoning the idea of a nonpartisan commission earlier this week I doubt that they will be beacons of compassion when it comes to that.

I'm from Wake County, I assume you're in Watauga County based on your name? It's definitely good to meet another North Carolinian on here!


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Good points
Good point about Neal.  Didn't matter much - he ended up retiring and I heard is kind of an oddball now.

I think they can't do much to weaken Shuler, either.  Even if they put in Mitchell/Avery, he still would have won this year.

As soon as we get some leadership figured out in the legislature, as the minority, we need to file bills about the independent redistricting - an idea they've pushed now for years but claim there's no time for.  We've got alot of Democrats that weren't around during the last redistricting and signed on to that idea.  Couple that with the fact that the GOP says they will (supposedly) hear Democratic bills and we could have an issue to pounce on.

Unfortunately I'm in Wake now too :( I'm not much for urban/suburban life, but I'm on the fringes of the county and its not too bad.  I'm in NC-13.  My poor liberal brother, he's in NC-02!

28, male, NC-13 formerly NC-01, 04, 05, 07, 11


[ Parent ]
Helpful Info on NC Redistricting for Anyone Interested
http://www.ncleg.net/GIS/RandR...

Key line: the Justice Dept removed their objection to the State Constitution's Whole County Provision a while back.  So, they try to follow that for Congressional districts even though it's not required.

28, male, NC-13 formerly NC-01, 04, 05, 07, 11


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The map is going to be a mess
The Republicans have their work cut out for them to sure up Ellmers and get rid of other Democrats. If Ellmers district is strengthened, McIntyre will probably end up safe.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

Regrets?
Now Ethridge probably wishes that he would have put that Andrew Breitbart disciple in a headlock just to embarrass him. Ellmers doesn't look like much of a savy politician and I can see her being disliked despite having  an R+5ish district. I could see a scenario where they create something like this and she loses in 2012 because she turns out to be a walking disaster. In 2014 a normal Republican takes back the seat and keeps it for several cycles. I could be wrong but color me as unimpressed with Ellmers and her asking of Anderson Cooper if he was anti-Christian.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

Susan B. Anthony List
They've got to be happy, as that's now four new pro-life women they endorsed in the House (Ellmers, Adams, Black, and Herrera) plus Ayotte in the Senate that will be added this year. Buerkle would be a fifth if she won.

It looks like the House lost two SBA Listers: Mary Fallin and Kathy Dahlkemper, whom the group supported in 2008 but ran against this year, as apparently her vote for HCR made her insufficiently anti-abortion. So the number will be either 12 or 13 depending on NY-25, plus Ayotte.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


At least per the GreenPapers
CA-11 and CA-20 have been called, both for the incumbents.

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


When do you call a race?
When it's improbably that the other person will win, or absolutely mathematically impossible?

Harmer could still win if he got a super high percentage of the remaining ballots (much higher than his current percentages in any county), or requested a recount and there turned out to be a tabulation error. So I guess it depends on what you think a good policy is.


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Probably the former
Given the history of bad calls.

Observe...

Election Night, 2010. The AP calls GA-02 for Mike Keown, repeatedly uncalls and recalls for him. Sanford Bishop eventually wins.

Super Tuesday, 2008. The AP calls Missouri for Hillary Clinton. As Kansas City and St. Louis start reporting, they uncall it. Obama eventually wins.

Election Night, 2000. Do I really have to say what happened here?

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Dewey Defeats Truman
Need I say more?

Actually I do. Observe 1960. And no, it's not Illinois. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


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Majority..
Republicans should end up with about 244 seats in the 112th and Democrats 191. I could have never imagine that we would see Democrats under 200 seats and yet we still have the same leadership. It's unconscionable. In any other country Pelosi would have not only resigned her Speaker-ship but also her seat.    

Unconscionable?
Bone up on your U.S. history.  While speaker, Sam Rayburn lost over 50 seats in 1942 and over 40 in 1946, and remained Democratic leader.  He remained leader after they lost the house in '46 and '52, and returned as speaker after both losses.  

Democrats will end up with no less than 192.  There are only two seats that are actually undecided, NY-1 and NY-25.  The others haven't been declared, but they're decided.


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You mean like Boehner and Cantor resigned after 2006?.......
Oh, no, they stayed in office.

And as the other comment noted, Rayburn never resigned.

This allowing of congratulating Republicans and denouncing Democrats on what is a Democratic site really brings down the quality of the site.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
What would that accomplish?


"I have never deliberately given anybody hell. I just tell the truth on the opposition-and they think it's hell."--President Harry Truman. President Obama, are you listening?

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I have a great idea for NC Democrats
Pass a bill during the lame duck session that gives the governor a veto over redistricting while Democrats are still in power.  I cant believe nobody has thought of this.  

Send the e-mail off to
NC Democratic state legislature leaders.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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I think this might require a consitutional amendment
The governor didn't even get a veto until about 10 years ago when the NC state constition was amended to allow a gubernatorial veto, and the state constitution explicitly says that the governor cannot veto a redistricting plan. So if they passed a law then it would have to be a constitutional amendment, which they don't have the votes to do right now, plus the voters have to approve it anyway before it takes effect. The Republicans in the legislature were arguing for a nonpartisan redistricting commission for years when they were in the minority, now that they can draw the maps they are saying that they are not going to do that and blaming the Democrats for not passing that bill earlier as a justification for their gerrymandering. So hypocritical...

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