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Whereas I hit a new bottom in my House and Senate predictions

by: DCCyclone

Tue Oct 05, 2010 at 10:53 PM EDT


Tonight I am coming to grips with what I think is the emerging reality of what we face on November 2nd, and it's a little uglier than what I previously envisioned.
DCCyclone :: Whereas I hit a new bottom in my House and Senate predictions
First, the House:  I posted my diary using a rudimentary Cook-based model to "predict" a net loss of 49 seats.  Until tonight I have spent the last month in rising hope that maybe we could buck the tide just enough to keep the House by the skin of our teeth.  But further readings and taking a step back and considering the state of whatever House race polling we have, I am now surrendering once again my hope of keeping the House.  I'd hit a bottom on Labor Day weekend with all the rock-bottom generic ballot numbers that popped up around then.  But then September gave us more positive information, and things started to look better.  But going through StephenCLE's diary tonight left me resigned.  He pegs our net losses in the mid-30s, and I count several more losses that he sees still ending up our way.  I now think also our pickups, to offset GOP gains, will be limited to the Big 4 of beating Cao and Djou and taking DE-AL and IL-10.  I don't completely write off the possibility of one or two upsets somewhere by Garcia or Bera or Goyle or someone else, but the odds are long at this point, I think.  Garcia is our best bet, I still give him a 50-50 shot, but I suspect the bad economy tips the scale against us.  That Sink has fallen behind Scott, and Rubio has taken firm command of the Senate race, both hurt him.  All this is to say that while I have been saying the odds of a GOP takeover are "just" 55-60%, I now push those odds all the way up to 80%.

Now, the Senate:  this is where depression is kicking in more heavily tonight.  I've conceded for awhile 2 separate tiers of 3 seats each.  Tier I is ND, AR, and IN.  Tier II is CO, WI, and PA.  But I now am counting a couple Tier III seats, WV and IL, as losses.  Even in IL, Obama's job approval has slipped to mere mortal levels.  Yes I see Brady has gained ground and Alexi is still in a legitimate pure tossup and it's a Democratic state and the Chicago machine still can come through.  I don't write off IL, nor do I write off Manchin's chances of turning around WV.  And PPP today gave us hope in CO.  But all that said, if I have to make bottom-line predictions, I now have to call all these seats losses in a very strong anti-Democratic wave.  If we're really going to lose more than 40 House seats, then it's likely the Senate seats, too, will be on the higher side of what's realistically possible rather than the lower side.  So I'm now seeing a loss of 8 Senate seats, with no takeovers.

My one Senate wildcard:  I now think our best chance of a takeover is actually AK.  The major party candidates are little-known, it's a late-developing race, and it's a complicated 3-way where voter preference can change quickly and unpredictably.  That contrasts to ALL other races where we're fighting for our lives; in all other hardly-fought races, there has been a lot of heavy campaigning by both sides for a long time, and voters are pretty familiar with the candidates and just not likely to shift our way in just the last month absent some unexpected external event driving them.

It's going to be a tough night, and I don't write off the possibility that things could be better than this.  But I'm bracing emotionally for a depressing night.  The only positive takeaways I forsee is that still barely holding the Senate and controlling the floor is worth A LOT and nothing I take for granted, and that Obama's reelection chances really will be enhanced by voters having gotten their pound of flesh and finally settling down.  There's something to be said for the argument that if we hang on to both the House and Senate, we're still tagged with all the blame for whatever follows, and voters will feel they weren't heard by our retaining our majorities and might take it out on us even more strongly in 2012.

There really is an emerging Democratic majority, but it's emerging slowly.  I think a lot of us let 2008 mislead us because Obama effectively accelerated, through the power of his own persona, a process of changing the electorate that otherwise would happen naturally only much more slowly.  The 2008 electorate was what we'd see in 2016 or 2020 if it wasn't for Obama.  We might see no growth in Democratic-favoring demographic groups in the electorate in 2016, as Obama is succeeded probably (not necessarily but the odds support this) by a white male as the Democratic Presidential nominee.  For this year, we're going to see any natural uptick in Democratic-favoring turnout from demographic change over the past 4 years offset, and perhaps more than offset, by depressed turnout from the unfavorable environment and lack of urgency among key voters.

I'm very interested in all of your thoughts on this subject.

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I think this looks about right
Conventional wisdom aside, there's no way Dems keep the House if they're behind in the generic ballot or even tied. Republican strength is just much more efficiently spread.

I think what will hurt the most in the Senate is losing Russ Feingold. To tell the truth, I don't always agree with him or even like him very much, but the symbolic power of that loss will be hard to overcome.  


I Usually Agree With Him and Like Him A Lot.....
...and it will be the worst symbollic defeat of the night by far.  No Democrat will dare to take an unpopular or risky stand on principle again for a generation if they claim Feingold's scalp.

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Not true.
Feingold has not run a terrific campaign (the gears are just getting going, after Ron Johnson ran Russ Feingold-1992 style ads the last two months). I remember in late August, the three seats that determined control (pre-O'Donnell) were CA, WA, and WI. A Democratic aide at the DSCC said Murray knew what she was doing, Boxer would pull away because of Fiorina's bad qualities, and Feingold was unaware he was running in 2010.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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What Part Is Not True?
That no Democrat will dare to take an unpopular stand on principle if Feingold is felled?  I guess I don't see how Murray and Boxer's recent uptick dispels that theory.

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That Feingold failing/falling does not mean
nobody will take an unpopular stand. Again, as we've seen this year, you have to act like you are campaigning. Feingold hasn't. (until very recently) He's pulled a mini-Sestak.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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Are you famliar with the Gallup / 538 Generic Poll Models?
I used to believe what you did w/r/t the generic ballot, based on our handicaps w/r/t VRA districts

until I read stuff from Nate and Gallup --

In essence, the party that's behind in the current house has to have a clear lead in the generic ballot to overcome the power of incumbency.

The Gallup model is here http://www.gallup.com/poll/124...

Their break even is at an R of +4, based on their generic ballot history, back to the 1940s, I think.

I now think that's too small, given the quality of our candidates. Sabato thinks that's too large, but even he acknowledges that Rs need at least a +2 in the generic ballot to take the House.

I wish I could find Nate's studies -- I think they're on the old 538 site somewhere. They go into quite a bit of detail on ballots back to the 1950s, if I remember right. His bottom like was like a break-even of R+6 for the current House.


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I've read a bunch about this stuff
Most of what I know I've learned from studying historical redistricting. It is absolutely true, no matter what anyone says, that the Democratic vote is spread inefficiently. But the caveat to that is that a) candidates matter, and b) a lot of the variation can be sort of random.

For example, John Kerry won more Congressional districts in Pennsylvania than Barack Obama, even though his statewide win was built on a far smaller margin. And if you look at several of the states Obama won by small margins, you'll see that he still won a minority of the districts (e.g., North Carolina, Florida, Ohio).


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Two bits
1) If the numbers were reversed -- and Rs had 257 seats in the House, Ds would need a higher percentage lead in the generic vote.

Base case -- The Gallup generic lead for Ds in '06 was 11%, and Ds had a smaller majority to overcome. Assuming the Gallup model of 11 seats per percent lead, the D generic vote lead to get to 218 in '06 was about 9-10%.

So yes, D votes are distributed inefficiently, but that brings us to point 2

2) Incumbency. Generic vote leads have to be substantial to overcome the power of incumbency.

(Presumption -- the generic vote is not the same as the actual vote, i.e. some significant number would vote one way generically, but not against their incumbent.)


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I think this is one of those years
where incumbency is less valuable than it has been recently. I do think there is something to your last parenthetical, though.  

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For the Senate
Here's my gone list:
1. North Dakota (duh)
2. Arkansas
3. Indiana
4. Pennsylvania (Joe Sestak, you suck. Really, you suck.)
5. Colorado
6. Wisconsin (Russ, read #4 please.)

West Virginia is dangerously close to being on that list, but i still have hope for Alexi in IL. So in all, not including WV, we lose 6 seats (53-47).

I'm not sure AK is a sure thing for us, its reliably Republican and im not sure there'll be enough Indies/Dems to push McAdams over the top, its kinda like Florida's senate race, only its waaay more Republican than Florida and the incumbent (Murkowski) had to run as a write-in rather than a nasty intraparty fight (ala, Crist)

16, Male, Democrat, CA-42/sometimes CA-32.


I read your analysis on Cook's rankings
What I found interesting about it was how many seats that Cook thought were gone for the R's in 2006 that actually stayed alive, seats in the top 20 even as rated by national journal.  If that holds up this year, we could have some real surprises on election night as people like say, Stephanie Moore, Mary Kilroy, and Tom Perriello end up winning, while complete shocks like Scott Murphy, Jim Matheson, or Mike Ross end up losing.  

Again, admittedly I've been a more optimistic viewer of the elections so far, and it's been mostly due to my belief that the democrats have advantages in local politics and organization that can't be discounted.  (I also included money as a dem advantage intially, but with republican 527's and groups moneybombing all over the place that's not really true at this point)

Going back to our numbers, you've got 49 flipping and I have 36.  The difference is the amount of seats I have in my toss Up/Tilt D column.  For those of you who didn't see my diary this afternoon, those seats were the following:

Toss Up/Tilt Democratic - 13 seats:
California-11 (McNerney)
Florida-22 (Klein)
Florida-25 (Open)
Indiana-9 (Hill)
Iowa-3 (Boswell)
Missouri-4 (Skelton)
Nevada-3 (Titus)
New Hampshire-1 (Shea-Porter)
New Mexico-2 (Teague)
New York-1 (Bishop)
New York-24 (Arcuri)
Washington-2 (Larsen)
Wisconsin-8 (Kagen)

Now the ironic thing is, had I waited until tonight to post my diary, I would've had 1 more seat in the R column, that being Harry Teague's seat, with polling showing him down by 1 measly point.  But when you really come down to it, these seats are all close.  We're in a situation now where the smallest changes in campaigns, the national ballot, and even people's general mood can make a big difference.  

Here's the funny part.  If I could choose between dropping 36-37 seats and ending up 220-215 or 219-216, or dropping 49 seats and ending up 207-228, I'm not sure which one I'd pick.  In the former situation, you're at the mercy of the conservadems, and you'd either have a few flip parties or worse, initiate a battle over the speakership and force Pelosi out in favor of somebody more "independent", a battle that could potentially tear apart the democratic party.  There's going to be a lot of drama over the next month.

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


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The myth
of conservative democrats not voting for Pelosi should be put to a rest. If they can survive 2010 with Roby, Labrador, the guy in OK-02, and Morgan whatever in UT-02 comparing them to Pelosi, they are going to vote for her.

Since 2001 when she became leader, only Gene Taylor has cast a protest vote against her. Chet Edwards didn't (though he has more of a close relationship with Pelosi, and he's promising to vote against her right now), and Heath Shuler didn't.  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


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You're completely right. If we win 218 seats, Pelosi will remain Speaker. And...
...there won't be any controversy about it.

I think the example of Parker Griffith combined with the reality of 2012 offering a very different and much more Democratic-friendly electorate is going to prevent any party-switching, too.  It's easy for our conservative members to look ahead and see their future isn't really any brighter on the other side of the aisle.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Having the majority is better, it's not a close call. The majority means...
...we control the floor.  Even if we control nothing else, controlling the floor, controlling what comes for a vote and what doesn't, is enormous power.  That's true in the House even more than the Senate, and it's plenty powerful enough a tool in the Senate.

We'd have a drastically altered agenda, to be sure.  But it really wouldn't matter because Pelosi would make sure the Senate takes the lead on everything except appropriations and then noncontroversial or truly bipartisan matters.  If the Senate can pass something with 60, Pelosi will be able to cobble together 218 for a House equivalent.  At some point the Republicans will get called out by the public for obstruction, so they can't keep doing it without penalty.  Our "party of no" cry didn't work this time because our majorities are too large for people to buy it that Republican obstruction was a problem.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I
do not blame Sestak. He is running the best campaign he can. I think the mood is what's holding him down. Toomey is not that bad of candidate. Now Feingold, yeah I'm with you on that one he has ran a sucky campaign.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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...
 "Yes I see Brady has gained ground"

Typo?

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


Yes a typo AND DAMMIT I KEEP DOING THAT!!! Of course I meant Quinn! (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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dems
I don't think he is saying Alaska-Sen is a "likely" pickup, I think the point is that it is the likeliest of unlikelies.  Why not gamble on something new when the writing is pretty much on the wall on the others that have been tried?  Why will hitting Blunt for his lobbyist ties work now if it didn't the last 1000 times?

As to the "emerging dem majority" part, I think it is better described as "emerged dem majority" and the next thing to discover is the "emerging GOP majority."  The conditions that created the now-ascendant dem coalition (regardless of this likely impending electoral setback) will not last forever.  Coalitions fall apart and in ways that are not anticipated.  

Coalitions have problems with becoming victims of their own success.  The idea of the GOP being a victim of its own success may seem laughable at present, but you will find a lot more voters that think reducing taxes from 70% to 33% is reasonable than "Fair tax" supporters, more welfare reformers than social security reformers, etc.  The Dems will quickly have the same problems--see health care reform.  Plus, the focus is on who is in, not who is out.  Being a dem for many of the newer to the coalition in the 2010s meant "not a Bush-style Republican," not a true believer.  


Correct on AK, I consider AK and KY the only takeaways worth pursuing now. Regarding the emerging Dem majority...
...it IS still "emerging," not emerged, and it's based on the growth of people of color in the national and state-by-state vote share.  That is a LASTING problem for your party and there's not going to be any change "not anticipated" until your party sheds its racism and xenophobia.  It's very clear in the Obama era that bigotry remains strong among a significant share of conservatives and Republicans, and that the remainder of conservatives and Republicans are happy to take advantage of bigotry for political benefit.

This is a reality your side completely denies, but most people of color see plain as day.

Locking down conservative whites gave your party an advantage for a couple generations while the non-white population was too small to be a decisive factor in most places or nationally.  Now it's starting to bite your asses.

And this trend isn't going to simply stop to reestablish any kind of partisan balance.  Republicans and conservatives have to actively work to attract people of color, which your side is not willing to do because it automatically means marginalizing some of your strongest supporters.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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The people affected by pessimism, please

Please read today the result of the last PPP poll for Colorado.

I'm Not Sold On The Conventional Wisdom That Things Are Improving.....
I'm sure I'll be excoriated for Eeyore-ism but the only would-be wave election that defied expectations that I know of was 1948.  The conditions that breed wave elections rarely reverse themselves in the final weeks of a campaign, despite the biennial media chatter and hype from the endangered party that always materialized between Labor Day and Election Day that "we dodged a bullet there".

There will more than likely be some Democratic equivalents of 2006 Jim Gerlach and Heather Wilson this year....incumbents thought dead that survived.  But I expect there will also be some Jeb Bradleys and Jim Ryuns, caught completely off-guard and washed away with the tide.  I had a list of three completely under the radar Democratic incumbents who I suspected could end up being in trouble.  Just this week I got confirmation on my suspicion of one of them....Jim Oberstar of MN-08.  My other two possible sleeper predictions....none other than progressive heroes Dennis Kucinich and Anthony Weiner.


Suburban NYC and Philly seats are going to
be trouble. Some members of the professional class that have been voting for Dems for 10-15 years have suddenly decided that Obama is spending too much money, and they want to rein him in.  

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Any Buzz On Steve Israel or Nita Lowey?
Or Allison Schwartz for that matter?  Those races have been under the radar but looking at PA-08 and NY-19 polls should be cause for concern for those in closer-ring suburbs.

I'm shocked that Michael McMahon isn't getting destroyed.


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Steve Israel is running like he has a race
Nobody but the statewides can afford NYC broadcast TV, but he has several new ads up on youtube, and my best is that he's in heavy rotation on cable (which is essentially universal in his district).

I don't know anything specific about Lowey or Schwartz, but I do know from experience that Schwartz is a strong campaigner who lets you know what she's done for you lately.  


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Lowey's district
I don't know much about it, but it also has a high number of minorities.

The thing about Schwartz's district is it includes some areas like Northeast Philadelphia that have become much less white, even in the last 10 years. So some of the demographic data is likely inaccurate.  

WA-07, 34 years old


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Good point about NE Philly
It is still kind of a wasteland up there, but I think it's also much more latino. I hope Schwartz is doing some spanish language outreach.  

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Schwarz's district is much more liberal than PA-8.
 I grew up in Schwarz's district, which as a result of redistricting, became more liberal in 2000. But even before, it was more liberal than PA-8.

It includes significant parts of Philadelphia County and  a good number of minorities. The suburban parts of the district tend to be old school liberal Republican areas, with a lot of Jewish voters thrown in.

PA-08 is basically Bucks County, which is quite sprawly and exurban for the most part. Lower Bucks is basically white working class. Much less of a old-school liberal Republican feel than the suburban areas in Schwarz's district, with less of Jewish and minority population.  

WA-07, 34 years old


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The 13th is strange
It was actually rigged in 2002 to be split between Rockefeller Republicans and white ethnics. Bob Borski retired rather than run a primary against Joe Hoeffel. Borski would likely have won that primary (more Dem primary votes in the Philly half of the district), but he would have lost in the GE.

As it stands, Hoeffel barely won in 2002. Schwartz had a much better showing on her first run and thereafter.  


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Demographic change?
Like I said, Northeast Philly has changed quite along since I was kid (1990 or so). Even some suburban areas close in like Abington.

I actually thought Cheltenham township was in the district. Somewhat ridiculous it isn't - seems like a GOP gerrymander?

WA-07, 34 years old


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It is a GOP gerrymander!
It went all the way up to the Supreme Court.

The old 13th was basically all of MontCo. See here.


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I think there are 2 things about the "improvement" for us......
First, the improvement is real.  We're in better shape today compared to Labor Day, we would lose fewer House seats today than we would've lost on Labor Day.

But second, I think the nonpartisan analysts are scoffing at "improvement" because this is simply what's expected this time of year, and it's already built into their analysis and predictions.  In other words, they dismissed the dire state of polling around Labor Day, and expected the final result to include some improvement from that time, but still leave the Democrats losing 6-10 Senate seats and a net 40something House seats.

Some of us want to believe that the very real improvement the past month is something more than what nonpartisan analysts had anticipated.  I've vacillated on that the past few weeks but on balance think we're screwed.  But there's a plausible chance we're recovering slightly more than Cook, Rothenberg, and others expected.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Dude, you're smart.
Seriously.

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One key factor: The Millennials
"a process of changing the electorate that otherwise would happen naturally only much more slowly" ... i bet you had race in mind here. But i think the factor that no one is talking about is young people. They're the wild card.

1982-1995 marked a new American baby boom that brought us the Millennials, who outnumber the Baby Boomers, have shown a marked interest in volunteerism and civic engagement, and came to the polls in record numbers in 2008. But the thing about young people is that once they register and vote for the first time, they're dramatically more likely to continue voting. And unlike a lot of parts of the Democratic coalition (cough*gays*cough), young people have gotten a LOT of what they wanted--cheaper student loans, more Pell Grants, tougher restrictions on predatory credit card lenders and a softer line on drugs, an end to the Iraq war, and even access to their parents' healthcare in time for the election. And all but the tail end of the boom is now eligible to vote, and a huge chunk have voted before. I mean, heck, SSP is practically a frat in terms of demographics.

Yes, young people have an awful record of voting in midterms, and I'm sure their percentage of the electorate will be lower than it was in 2008. But every pollster already factors that in--and some have shown ridiculously low numbers in their projections. And don't even get me started on SUSA and its findings of young people in love with Republicans. Even a modest uptick in under-30 turnout could be huge because there are a hell of a lot of them/us and no one expects us to show.

In other words, chillax, dude, we got your back.

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


How many Americans
do you think there are who believe, as you claim, that the Iraq War is over? Right now, I imagine Iraq is very much a subsidiary issue in people's minds, but the war there is not over, and if something really bad that involves U.S. troops happens there, it could affect the election results.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Okay, "over" may be the wrong word
Yes, you're right. It's not over to the mostly young people who are still getting deployed. But Obama essentially lived up to his promises, more or less, on a phased withdrawal from Iraq and I do strongly believe that it is winding down.

So, yes, that war is still winding down, but I think most young people, like most (well....a majority of) Americans more generally, believe Obama has been pretty good about that specific issue in terms of living up to his campaign promises. And after the fiasco of Iraq, it would take a catastrophe beyond measure for foreign policy to swing votes in a year when it's all about the economy....

Kansan by birth, Californian by choice, and Gay by the grace of God.


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I think race is THE factor that matter, and "young people" actually incorporates that reality......
One primary reason why "young" voters are more Democratic than middle-aged and older voters is that a much larger percentage of them are non-white than their generational elders.  I bet that accounts for a significant amount of the difference.

It's true that 2008 exit polling showed whites under 30 heavily favoring Obama over McCain, and that's unprecedented in Presidential exit polling as whites under 30 historically still have favored Republicans over Democrats even if by a smaller margin than older whites.

But I think young whites ultimately are pretty swingy and their margins can be easily moved in the short-run.

Young minorities are a different story because they have a more complex issue set that affects their voting and makes them much more inelastic and unresponsive to Republicans.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I am not an expert pollwatcher by any means,
but I do think your house predictions are pessimistic. I think we are likely to hold the house. My 4 reasons for optimism:

1. The DNC's huge money advantage over the RNC which is allowing them to put together the largest GOTV operation ever for midterms. I don't think the Dems have ever had this kind of field operation in place for midterms. The RNC, on the other hand, has seen it's GOTV operations fall apart due to lack of funding. While Rove's group can help out the GOP with GOTV efforts, they can't coordinate with the party and just won't be as effective.

2. The lack of conservative ballot initiatives in key states. There aren't any gay marriage or anti-choice initatives on the books to drive up the conservative vote. There are however liberal ballot initiatives that will drive up youth votes. For example, Marijuana(California, Madison, Massachusetts, Oregon) 21-only bar ordinance in Johnson County, Iowa.

3. Increased use of early voting/no excuse absentee voting. More states have made it easier to vote which helps our infrequent voters to vote. The early voting #s in Iowa and Ohio so far have been very promising for Democrats.

4. Lack of scandals for Democratic house incumbents facing GOP candidates with ethical issues. Part of what drove the GOP wave in 1994 was the house being plagued by scandals. Outside of Conyers and Waters, our candidates are pretty much scandal free. The same can't be said for the GOP challengers.  


On point #2
I agree with you to an extent, but in Washington state, there are a ton of anti-tax type initiatives on the ballot. There is one liberal initiative that is probably the most high-profile of all, however - to introduce an income tax on earners over $200,000 and cut property taxes, backed by Bill Gates' dad.


WA-07, 34 years old

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Good point about the taxing the rich
initiative.  

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I'm skeptical on your points #2 and #4......
I, for one, don't think conservative ballot initiatives mattered much or at all in past elections.  That's a hypothesis I've always dismissed.

And I'm skeptical that scandals were THAT big a factor in voting behvior in 1994.  I think the perception of poor governance was the driver.  We were done in by the failed attempt at health care reform; the failed attempt at a stimulus; the early move to lift the ban on gays in the military at a time when the country was more responsive to cultural hot buttons, only to retreat to a compromise that everyone hated; the assault weapons ban that alienated certain blocs of voters without helping with other blocs were were indifferent to the issue; and the deficit reduction budget which was truly courageous and great policy but instituted a modest tax hike after the country had entered its most tax-averse era.  All that added up to depressing base Democrats and pissing off swing voters.

I agree with you on points #1 and #3, and in reality they are part of the SAME thing and not really separate.  Good GOTV these days necessarily includes pushing sporadic voters to vote early.  And yes we have field and the Republicans don't.

Ben Smith at Politico linked to an old Time article from 2006 on the GOP's then-vaunted GOTV program as the party's saving grace, and he cited it as evidence of desperation and denial.

But Smith was wrong in two important ways.

First, the GOP field effort that year combined with other strong campaigning by some incumbents and open seat candidates really DID save a bunch of highly vulnerable seats.  My comment yesterday detailing all the GOP seats that did NOT switch from National Journal's election eve Top 40 list illustrates that point.  I remember, too, James Carville publicly complaining after the 2006 election that we didnt' make as many gains as we should have.  The strong Repbublican campaigning that year really DID save a bunch of seats that should have gone our way, but it didn't matter because we needed only 15 and were on track to get more than double that absent the strong Republican effort the last month.

Second, unlike this year, the Democrats ALSO had a great field program in 2006 to compete with the GOP.  In contrast, the Republicans are a mess this year and are relying almost completely on organic base Republican interest and swing voter anti-Democratic sentiment.  So some of the closest races will go our way.

The problem I see is that ultimately it comes down to numbers, and we just have too many seats that are already gone or on the cusp of gone to save the House, in all likelihood.

The key issue is whether the barrage of Repbulican attack ads this last month turn the election back toward the GOP like analysts expect.  We dominated the airwaves in September and otherwise campaigned hard, that's why we recovered.  All the pundits are saying that was before the Republicans unloaded on us, and that unloading will do us in.  They could very well be right.  Our hope is that somehow the new round of attacks don't move numbers back their way enough.  We'll find out in a few weeks.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Is it true
that Republicans held off most of their attack ads? I just haven't seen that. Another commenter today posted a table of expenditures by the DCCC vs. RCCC, and the latter outnumbered the former by like 2:1, even though the DCCC has more COH. So I think we have plenty of money left for the final stretch. Plus, now there are some outside Dem-leaning groups (e.g. NEA with $15M) that may close the gap, if only a little, in outside expenditures.

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DCCC has held back, to the ire of a lot of House incumbents! But incumbents have spent wildly and...
...their allies, to the limited extent Dems are getting outside help, are spending some, too, in key races.

This is why Suzanne Kosmas had recovered some in September, why Titus went from trailing to leading, why other Democratic incumbents were doing better.

The DCCC must have reasoned candidates will need more help later when their funds are depleted, so the DCCC would go in then.  But I read something this week that said there are incumbents who wanted the help in September and are pissed they didn't get it.  It's illegal to coordinate, so they can't directly communicate their needs and wishes to each other.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I'd rather they hold off
until the final few weeks than not be able to compete with the coming onslaught. I think that's a smart move, could minimize the disparity in advertising for the final stretch.

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Could also be a challenge to the candidates:
"You start your race, see how your messages play, and then we'll make our decisions on spending based on how you're doing at that time. If you're falling flat, we won't help you big. If you're in contention, we will."

Of course, without any coordination. ;-)

PS. I didn't realize the campaigns couldn't coordinate with the party committees. I thought coordination was only forbidden with outside groups.


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Advertising cannot be coordinated. But the party committee...
...can give other kinds of direct help, including advice.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Right now
I have it at as a 42 seat loss in the house and 7 in the senate.

I think 80% is too high for the house.  I'd put it at 65%.


80% is way too high
I too agree that the Dems have a better chance at retaining the House.  I think it's probably between a 50-60% chance that they will lose the house.  80% is way to pessimistic.  I don't understand the gloom and doom.

Sometimes people get a "paralysis by analysis".  I don't lose sleep on what will happen in November because I know we will come back and kick ass at a later date.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


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33 still though that could change


The
bright side is I think there will be a lot of one term wonders this cycle. I think (kind of early but oh well) we have 50-50 shot of regaining the House in 2012. It all depends on the number of seats we lose now. Don't get me wrong I would like to keep the majority but a divided Gov't could help Obama in 2012. I'm just glad we got the big stuff done already while he had the huge majorities. Although wouldn't it be something if we got back the House but lost the Senate in 2012? We'll cross that bridge when we get to it I suppose.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

that applies in Iowa
If Boswell loses to Zaun in IA-03, Zaun will probably lose to Latham in the GOP primary for the redrawn IA-03 in 2012. I believe that Latham will move if he has to to avoid a primary against Steve King.

If Mariannette Miller-Meeks beats Dave Loebsack in IA-02, or Ben Lange beats Bruce Braley in IA-01, they'll end up casting a lot of votes in lockstep with House GOP leaders that will not go over well with their Dem-leaning districts. We have decent benches in both of those districts as well.

We're going to lose the Senate in 2012. The playing field is terrible. If we could come out of this election with 54 or 55 seats, we'd have a fighting chance to keep the chamber in 2012, but that's obviously not going to happen.


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It's really hazardous to prophesize so far in advance
If Obama is reelected with a big majority in 2012, the Democrats might gain seats, even with the nasty-looking playing field. Let's remember that in the first few months after President Obama won in 2008, some people were predicting increased Democratic majorities in both Houses in the 2010 midterm elections. We do not know what will happen in the next 2 years.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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