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KY-Sen: Rogue Ophthalmologist Rand Paul Goes Even Rogue-er

by: DavidNYC

Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 9:47 PM EDT


I guess it fits: Rogue ophthalmologist Rand Paul, who once set out to found a rival eye doctors' group, is also a member of a fringe conservative medical organization founded in opposition to the mainstream American Medical Association. The Courier-Journal does yeoman work in elucidating the views of the so-called Association of American Physicians and Surgeons. I suggest you read the whole article, but here are a few choice excerpts:

But the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons published an article in 2007 saying "both official reports and the peer-reviewed literature afford substantive grounds for doubting that HIV is the necessary and sufficient cause of AIDS and that anti-retroviral treatment is unambiguously beneficial."

On its Website, the AAPS included an article in October 2008 titled, "Is Obama a Brilliant Orator ... or a Hypnotist?" It cites an unsigned paper suggesting that Obama used hypnotic techniques and speech patterns in his 2008 campaign.

The paper claims to examine Obama's speeches "word by word, hand gesture by hand gesture, tone, pauses, body language, and proves his use of covert hypnosis intended only for licensed therapists on consenting patients."

The AAPS advances the claim that women who have abortions are at a higher risk for breast cancer, although the National Cancer Institute and the American Cancer Society say there is no such link.

And the group opposes mandatory vaccinations and promotes a now-discredited study linking thimerosal, a longtime component of many vaccines, to autism in children.

There's even a tie-in to Rand Paul's favorite hobbyhorse, the federally-funded Operation UNITE. The AAPS thinks that doctors who over-prescribe pain medications have been unfairly targeted; UNITE fired back, saying "If the (AAPS) truly cared about their profession they should champion enforcement efforts, encourage stiff penalties for those abusing their medical oath and save people's lives."

Of course, I'm sure this stuff - especially the Obama lunacy (read the article, there are more goodies) - will only make Rand Paul more appealing to his fellow Republicans.

UPDATE: Great reminder by atdleft:

As GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle attempts to parry charges from Harry Reid's campaign that she is "just too extreme," she is the headliner at an event Saturday promoted by a physician's group that is far out of the mainstream. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which is a major promoter of the Doctors Tea Party in San Diego on Saturday, has given voice to some bizarre theories, believes the advent of Medicare in 1965 was "evil" and "immoral" and once published a piece arguing HIV may not cause AIDS. There's more, too, with the group promoting one of Angle's previously expressed theories that abortion may cause breast cancer and it also once argued the FDA is unconstitutional.

As atd says, "I guess 'King Tea-nut' and 'Queen Tea-nut' have been reunited yet again!"

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I shake my head all this stuff hasn't hurt Paul more already......
You know it's a bad cycle for us when with all this crap that comes out, Paul remains ahead on all polling.  He has zero history of public service, and he's asking to be a U.S. Senator.  And his views are outrageous in a non-ideological way that should make it easy to draw white conservatives away from him.

In any other year, he'd be down 10 right now.  Of course, in any other year, he would've lost to Trey Grayson by 30, and Conway might still be down a few points, but against a stronger Republican.

I just keep hoping that eventually all this crap breaks through to the voters, and they realize this is just not a mainstream guy they can feel comfortable with no matter how much they dislike Democrats right now.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


I think moderation will carry the day
I think the clear-thinking folks in and around Louisville and Lexington will carry Conway to victory.

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If someone gave me two races that I could guarantee a victory for Team Blue in
It'd be Nevada and Kentucky, without a doubt. I don't want Rand Paul or Sharron Angle anywhere near power.

That's the really sad commentary on American politics, it's entirely plausible that both Sharron Angle and Rand Paul could be United States senators next year.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Between those two, beating Angle is clearly more important......
Angle is objectively worse than Paul.  Paul is awful, I'm not defending him at all, but he's at least an ivory tower libertarian and not driven exclusively by raw emotion, and he actually observes libertarian principles without regard to who it pisses off; he's simply lucked out to be running in the right year where people are willing to look past things about him that normally would be fatal.

Angle, though, is truly insane, driven entirely by demogoguery and possessing no intellect whatsoever.

Not to mention that saving Harry Reid is of much greater symblic and practical value for us than getting Conway over the hump.

But I care about both of these, enough that I gave $250 to each Reid and Conway this year.  Theirs are the only Senate races to which I've contributed this cycle, and that tells you how much I hate the Republicans in those races.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Hypothetical
Suppose of the three Paul, Angle, and O'Donnell, you have to choose one to win, and the other two to lose.  Which one would you pick?


38, male, conservative Republican, TX-3 currently (IL-13)

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I'd choose O'Donnell b/c the seat is up again sooner, in 2014......
The others are good to 2016.  So we deal with the crazy for a shorter time.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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O'Donnell is the worst of the three
and that's saying something.

38, male, conservative Republican, TX-3 currently (IL-13)

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Same here, though grudgingly
I know we'd have the last laugh, but still the crowing of the teabaggers about winning Biden's senate seat would be very close to unbearable for me...

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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I'm surprised
I would think Paul would be the most palatable--he seems less loopy than the other two (and yes, I'm damning him with faint praise.) Then again, Paul is in the reddest state by far so he would have the easiest time becoming entrenched.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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Rand Paul is almost making me wish that Jim Bunning wasn't retiring nm


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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Well
If Jim Bunning was the candidate you guys would probably have this one in the bag!

Bunning might be a good example of how someone like O'Donnell would be as a Senator because he clearly has no idea what he's doing.  

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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We thought that with Rand Paul too, now look where we are! n/t


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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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Not sure about that
Bunning would have been a known and palatable candidate for those wanting to vote against the Democrats in Washington.  

Democrat: TN-8

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I'd agree for that reason
As well as because O'Donnell is probably the most likely of the three to be an incompetent, ineffective legislator that accomplishes precisely zero percent of what she sets out to do, although that's not a great distinction from the other two.

I'm personally curious to see how long it'll be until somebody finds O'Donnell's misusing campaign funds for personal expenses... again...

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09


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O'Donnell.
She'd only serve two-thirds of a term and would likely be voted out by blue Delaware, compared to red Kentucky and purple Nevada.

Follow the elections in Georgia at the 2010 Georgia Race Tracker.

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Huh
I would choose Rand easily. Kentucky is a much more conservative state than Delaware, which means that Coons and Reid could actually vote like Democrats, rather than southern Democrats (though I do respect Conway, I just think he wouldn't be as safe voting like a liberal Democrat like the other two). So, I think Paul would be the best. Plus, on some issues, I imagine he will vote our way like his father.  

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Angle, no question
Getting a new majority leader who would support majority-voting rules is worth at least 5 Senate seats.  And I don't think we can count on Democratic Senators to ditch Reid, no matter how many seats he loses.

The Crolian Progressive: as great an adventure as ever I heard of...

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Paul
Paul is a very easy choice. While I don't agree with much of what Paul has said his voting really wouldn't be all that much different then Jim Bunning. He will also be a pain in the rear to the GOP Leadership which will be amusing to see. As said I don't really agree with many of his views but I give him credit for at least saying what he believes in, which I think that he really believes in. Angle and O'Donnell would be replacing Democrats. Angle would be a disaster as she would constantly put blanket holds on things just to do it. O'Donnell I just think will be too clueless to do a lot and would be voted out in 4 years.  

28, Male, Democrat VA-08  

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I'd choose Pa and Ky
Angle is a loon, not really dangerous.  And losing Reid might be addition by subtraction. I might even choose Fla over Ky because Paul might be a thorn in the sides of the GOP caucus on occasion.  

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I think Paul will be elected...
if it at all looks like the GOP has a real shot at taking the Senate.  However if Dems could seal up enough races so that the Senate is secured, I think moderates/centrists might give Conway a longer look.  

Voters don't think that way.
    Have you knocked on a door and asked a committed voter how they made their decision?  Aside from partisanship, you are treated to the most asinine reasons ever.  No one decides to vote for a Democrat because the Democrats will continue to control the Senate.
  My personal favorite was an independent who had decided to vote for McCain because Bill Clinton killed Vince Foster.

24, Male, GA-05

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Haha
I do think that there is some strategic voting--if it looks like the Senate could come down to one seat, I could see some disaffected Republicans holding their nose and voting for Paul to regain the majority. This is more likely to happen in a Democratic-held seat that is a candidate for the "10th takeover" though, and could perhaps benefit an unsavory candidate like Angle or Fiorina.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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I really don't think
that average voters are checking out 538 or Pollster.com to see how the Senate races are playing out in a dozen other states.

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Thank you for the dose of reality, James. That's correct, people don't vote like that......
Paul already has consolidated the Republican vote, there are no more than the normal number of Republican crossovers for Conway.  This race is decided by white moderate and conservative Democrats and Dem-leaning indies, that's where Conway has to improve his margins.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Probably right
But there is the media narrative to consider--if enough races are close, the "Will the GOP take the Senate?" narrative will be all over the news that final week.

What I actually base this hypothesis on is Obama's incredible performance in California, where he won or ran close in several reliably Republican counties and congressional districts. One theory, which may or may not hold water, is that conservatives in these areas saw the early returns from the East when they got home from work, felt demoralized, and didn't even bother with voting.

You are right though--Kentucky voters aren't really going to care what's going on in Wisconsin, Florida, and Nevada.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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I would buy this
What I actually base this hypothesis on is Obama's incredible performance in California, where he won or ran close in several reliably Republican counties and congressional districts. One theory, which may or may not hold water, is that conservatives in these areas saw the early returns from the East when they got home from work, felt demoralized, and didn't even bother with voting.

except for one reason, Proposition 8.  Conservatives and Republicans knew that it was close, and they came out and voted.  And it wasn't clear that Obama was going to win until Ohio was called for him, and that was around 10 central time.  This argument was made in 1980 that Ds in the West didn't show after Carter's early concession.

38, male, conservative Republican, TX-3 currently (IL-13)


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That didn't happen...
One theory, which may or may not hold water, is that conservatives in these areas saw the early returns from the East when they got home from work, felt demoralized, and didn't even bother with voting.

They definitely voted, and that's why Dan Lungren (CA-03), Ken Calvert (CA-44), Mary Bono Mack (CA-45), and Brian Bilbray (CA-50) all won despite Obama carrying their districts. In fact, most of those hard-core Reeps had already voted by mail.

James is right. Most voters don't read SSP, and they probably don't know who Nate Silver is. They will have likely made up their minds by Election Day, and many of them will have probably already voted BEFORE Election Day. (Btw, that's how Boxer and Reid are especially immune to some last minute media hyperventilation over some "GOP surge".)

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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What is early voting like in Nevada?
Not to get too far away from Kentucky, but it's a pretty important question since Reid is going to have the superior ground game.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

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Two options...
Either absentee ballot (mail) or in person (at a designated mall/community center, or roving station at the local supermarket/library).

Usually more Republicans vote absentee, but usually (especially these last couple cycles) Democrats dominate in-person early voting. The state Dems are working overtime to prepare for early voting GOTV next month, just like they did for Obama in 2008. And just like 2008, it looks like the state GOP is clueless and hoping Karl Rove will be doing all the work for them. There's no question Reid has the superior ground game, so it's all a matter of getting as many Dems to vote and vote early as humanly possible.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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And btw, unlike California...
Where up to 33% of voters now do so by mail, Nevada's absentee ballot program is much more limited. Usually, more voters opt to just vote early in person. So most often, the key to a sure Dem win is in running up the margin in early voting.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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Arguable for Angle
I think most Republicans are solidly behind Fiorina.

38, male, conservative Republican, TX-3 currently (IL-13)

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Nope...
The vast majority of Angle voters will support her no matter what, and the vast majority of Reid voters will support him no matter what. There aren't that many undecided voters left here, and I doubt any Beltway chatter over last minute "momentum" will be what sways them. Most likely, it will be something closer to home that's more relevant to day-to-day life.

And again, early voting starts in less than two weeks. It's quite possible that half or more of all the votes cast this fall will be done before Halloween.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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I can think of one example where that happened
RI-Sen '06.

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That's a bad example because...
...Whitehouse ran explicitly against Chafee's vote for McConnell for Majority Leader.  No Republicans are doing that, and certainly not Paul.

But even then, that normally NEVER moves votes, and actually it's unclear it moved any votes in that race, either.

More likely I think, people voted against Chafee simply because he was a Republican and they'd had it with Republicans, without regard to what party actually controlled the Senate.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Your last point seems to me
like a distinction without a difference.

As to Republicans not running that race, well--there's still plenty of election left.  


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Way different though
Rhode Island is a lot more reflexively Democratic than Kentucky is Republican.

And there's a big difference between voting for, what is essentially, Generic Democrat in a heavily Democratic state against a popular Republican senator and voting for someone who has an ideology that is completely out of whack for a state like Kentucky.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


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I read the whole article.
That so-called "medical organization" is even into 9/11 World Trade Center conspiracy theories.
Really fringe.

AAPS... You mean Sharron Angle's favorite "doctors"?
Remember Sharron Angle's San Diego Sojourn?

As GOP Senate nominee Sharron Angle attempts to parry charges from Harry Reid's campaign that she is "just too extreme," she is the headliner at an event Saturday promoted by a physician's group that is far out of the mainstream. The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons, which is a major promoter of the Doctors Tea Party in San Diego on Saturday, has given voice to some bizarre theories, believes the advent of Medicare in 1965 was "evil" and "immoral" and once published a piece arguing HIV may not cause AIDS. There's more, too, with the group promoting one of Angle's previously expressed theories that abortion may cause breast cancer and it also once argued the FDA is unconstitutional.

I remember hearing from someone back in August that Rand Paul was an AAPS member, so I guess "King Tea-nut" and "Queen Tea-nut" have been reunited yet again... This time, by this wacko fringe "doctors' group".

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


Just to give the other side
does Conway belong to the ABA?  Does he agree with all of their policy positions?  I don't doubt Paul is a little crazy and I supported Grayson but I don't think this will hurt Paul much.

Libertarian secular Republican, MO-7

Hardly equivalent
Whether this would hurt Paul is open to debate, but let's keep in mind this particular organization is a small, politically focused group that probably has only a few thousand members. This is the kind of organization one seeks out to join. It's not an establishment trade group like the ABA is.  

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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ABA is a mainstream organization...
Of attorneys. I don't remember the ABA spearheading the "Free Mumia movement" or leading the anti-WTO Seattle 1999 protests.

AAPS, OTOH, is nowhere near AMA or any other mainstream medical organization. They're a teabagger front group that regularly espouses crazy conspiracy theories about HIV not causing AIDS, Obama using "hypnosis", Medicare being some "communist plot", and much more.

Again, Harry Reid has already used the AAPS crazy against Sharron Angle, and IMHO it makes perfect sense for Jack Conway to do the same against Rand Paul.

Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


[ Parent ]
AAPS has been around since the 40s, apparently
So technically they're not a "teabagger front", so much as "they were teabagging before that term was invented". ;)

Independent Socialist & Chair of SSP Cranky Indianian Hoosier Caucus, IN-09

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Good point...
But then again, Sharrrrrrrrrrrrrrrron Angle was also around long before tea-nuttery was "the IN thing" in the GOP. In fact, she's said in rallies, "I was tea party before the tea party became popular".


Yes, Virginia, there ARE progressives in Nevada!
24, gay male, Democrat, NV-03 (or 04?)


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I am just saying
if Conway ever tried to use this that would be the response.

Libertarian secular Republican, MO-7

[ Parent ]
That response would fail miserably. There's no mileage in attacking the ABA, there's mileage in...
...attacking a group that embraces insane conspiracy theories.  There's no persuading voters of any kind of equivalance.

The only smart response by Paul would be to drop his membership in the organization and condemn the the group's crazy views.  That would be effective to make voters shrug it off.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Sounds like a John Birch Society for doctors only. (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Its members are not required to be doctors
according to the story.
So I guess any crazy person can join if they pay the dues.

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