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KY-Sen: Conway Noses Paul in New Poll

by: James L.

Thu Aug 19, 2010 at 5:58 PM EDT


Braun Research for cn|2 (8/16-18, likely voters, 8/2-4 in parens):

Jack Conway (D): 42 (31)
Rand Paul (R): 41 (41)
Undecided: 16
(MoE: ±3.5%)

cn|2 is reporting this one as a tie, and it essentially is -- down to decimal points, Conway leads by a margin of 41.7 to 41.2 for the rogue ophthalmologist. (Update: Not that we think it's legit to go to so many significant digits...)

Rand Paul's campaign is questioning Braun for its gyrating results, but cn|2 notes that other results from the last two polls, such as Obama's approval (40%) and the generic ballot (a 12-point GOP advantage), have been consistent. Perhaps the shift is legit, and perhaps it could be explained in part by Paul's controversial comments on how the illicit drug trade in Kentucky is not a "real pressing issue" and that federal funding for anti-drug initiatives should be pulled. That sort of talk didn't go over too well with law enforcement officials in Eastern Kentucky, where the problem is particularly pronounced; it's worth noting that the Congressional District with the biggest jump in support for Conway was the Eastern 5th CD. Conway trailed in that district by 24-38 two weeks ago, and now trails by only 38-42. (Yes, the usual caveat about obese margins of error applies for small sub-samples like these.)

There's still some life in this one, yet.

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Conway may become the best pick-up opportunity this cycle
This may be a perfect storm where a capable top-tier Democrat, AG Jack Conway, may be able to win a solidly Republican leaning state on the federal level due to the nomination of a controversial Republican, Rand Paul. If SOS Trey Grayson had won the nomination, I doubt this race would be anything in the bag for the Republicans.

Rand Paul's lack of emphasis on, and out-right dismissal of, Kentucky based issues in favor of national ideological concerns has to be ever more concerning. Polling I hope will continue to show this is a trend. Too early to tell though.

Democrat: TN-8


I agree totally
In fact, this might be our Chuck Robb-Oliver North race of this cycle (where a candidate bucks a wave based on the fact the other candidate is not palatable). Paul is way out of his depth in this, and its really showing.

Angle-Ried also would be a Robb-North analogy.  


[ Parent ]
What
would Rand Paul's campaign staffers when they saw this poll?

Accidents Happen!

(Watch Jack Conway's Fancy Farm speech if you don't get what I'm saying.)

19, Male, Independent, CA-12


[ Parent ]
So this Braun Research...
First KY-03, then NJ-03, then KY-Sen?  Where'd these guys come from, and how reliable are they?  They seem to have come out of nowhere, or have I just not been paying attention closely enough?

Changed their sample a lot
All their results are consistent, in a very oddly inconsistent way.

Their first sample, people over 50 years old:  77%

Their second sample, people over 50 years old:  54%

This third sample, people over 50 years old:  43%

(Kentucky 2008 exit poll, voters over 50: 44%)

So they are around reality now...


General Hospital's head probably just exploded.
With this poll and the last I am thinking that Paul is probably leading within the margin of error. What a mistake. Grayson would be leading by 10-15 points. Ryan made a comment yesterday about how he would probably support Conway. He is not the only Republican. I personally know a Grayson supporter who will be voting for Conway. There are a lot of them. This race is winnable and should not be. Paul is within the margin of error and that is without Conway starting to campaign. I am moving this from lean R to tossup.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Hoosier I have to agree
This is the third poll by my count in the last month that has shown a tie, and the first that has put Conway in the lead.  At a time where it appears some of our other candidates, namely Carnahan, Fisher, and Sestak, are struggling, the fact that this race is going the other way is telling.  Harry Reid is the only other candidate that is getting better in polls right now, though maybe you could make a case for Patty Murray with Rass putting her up by 4, although that could be the danged RassmussenPrimaryBounce(TM) at work again.

This will definitely be in the toss-up category when my updated Senate rankings come out (tomorrow if somebody posts another diary before then since I can't go 2-in-a-row, SSP rules).  

23, Male, Democrat, OH-13


[ Parent ]
It's all about the opponent......
Reid and Conway have sufficiently bad opponents that they have a great shot no matter how bad the environment gets.  I was skeptical of Conway's chances after Paul went into hiding, but he keeps coming out and damaging himself on an ongoing basis, and that's what Conway needed to have an opening.  Once he starts really hammering Paul on the air, he'll be in good shape.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Agreed about Conway going up with media
Once Conway goes up with media to low information voters, lots of folks who may only hear about Paul's views on the margins will get to hear sound bites and read quotes that probably won't sit well. The more voters hear, and the more Paul is allowed to speak on his positions, the more likely folks will find him unacceptable. This will probably be true even in the face of very negative angles of attack against Conway. Hopefully this will be enough to tip the race against Paul.

Democrat: TN-8

[ Parent ]
This is why I don't think the Republicans have any realistic chance of winning the Senate
Even if the environment gets worse for the Democrats, the fact is they really need to run the table in a way that the Democrats never had to in either 2006 or 2008 (in 2006, the Democrats at this point in time only had two seats that that could legitimately be called toss-ups with maybe three others as only leaning, in 2008 only one could really be seen as a legitimate pick-up opportunity for the Republicans; the Republicans right now hold five seats that can be legitimately seen as toss-ups with two more (arguably) only leaning towards the Republicans).

Think about that for a minute, for the Republicans to take control of the Senate, they'd have to basically have the stars perfectly align for them on at least 13 senate seats and get both Crist and Lieberman to take positions that run in total contradiction to their electoral well-being (especially in Lieberman's case, he'll never win re-election if he gives control of the chamber to the Republicans).

Politics and Other Random Topics

24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
I hope GH's head did explode
My own head has exploded over the last 3 weeks, and I haven't been able to keep tabs on the political climate.  Taking care of elderly parents is not an easy task...

I love this poll, and I believe that it's a dead heat at this point.  I don't believe the national environment will prevent Conway from beating Paul in November.  Paul is a nutjob.  

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


[ Parent ]
I think GH's head exploded
When Bennet beat Romanoff since a Romanoff win would be payback to Obama.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
You have to update me on this one
My mind has been on leave for several weeks.  What was GH's theory regarding the Romanoff/Bennet primary?  I love how these trolls like to make up crap up.  It's almost like they are working for Fox News.

40, male, Democrat, NC-04

[ Parent ]
Let me think...
His theory on CO-Sen (D) was that Bennet was toxic that because he's not progressive enough, he has no political office expierence, is a insider and was appointed by the disgraced Obama (his words not mine) while Romanoff has expierence, is a outsider and sold his house to make campaign cash and know what it takes to win a election. Problem is Romanoff is as inside as it gets since he was House Speaker for 4 years, was no different on the issues than Bennet and selling your house because you need money to get you through the primary is real bad. Plus I think he wanted Romanoff to win so he could stick it to Obama (that quote quickly led to his ban).

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

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Thanks dude
I'll have to get plastic surgery to take this stupid shit-eating grin of a smile off my face.

I get double pleasure that Conway and Paul are essentially tied.  Paul will keep on talking, and he will keep on pissing people off.  

40, male, Democrat, NC-04


[ Parent ]
Conway NEEDS to get this shit ON THE AIR. Harry Reid said about Angle...
...that his staff told him the campaign's focus groups found it hard to believe Angle was saying some of the things they learned she'd said.  That's why Harry's campaign runs ads with audio of her saying that shit.

There might not be a lot of audio of Paul, but a printed and verified quote voiced by an ad narrator is plenty good enough.  People really DON'T know the shit Paul has said, and there are plenty of voters in Kentucky planning to vote Republican who don't realize how uneasy they'd be with Paul if they knew his rhetoric and opinions.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
The
good thing about it is that Conway can self finance more if he needs to.  He really does need to start advertising ASAP, I have seen no ads since the primary. He needs to get on it. I bet Chandler regrets passing up this one. He would be leading by five or more now. Conway is a good candidate though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Can Conway spend Harry Reid-level money?
If not, Paul's gonna have to gaffe at Angle (perhaps above Angle) levels.

While NV is more blue than KY, that's cancelled out by Reid's (un)favorables.


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That's a real good question
Since we all know Reid has a huge warchest and I don't know what Conway has in his warchest.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Official warchest information
http://www.opensecrets.org/rac...

Yay opensecrets.  Of course, this doesn't account for candidates' personal wealth.  It's hilarious how Linda McMahon in CT-Sen looks, for example.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


[ Parent ]
Appreciate the data. Unfortunately, the answer looks like "no"
http://www.courier-journal.com...
Democratic U.S. Senate nominee Jack Conway outraised his Republican opponent Rand Paul during the last three months -- but only because he lent his campaign $400,000 in the waning days of the May 18 Democratic primary race.

400k is not peanuts, but it doesn't bring Conway to McConnell/Reid levels, see later in the article

This year's Senate campaign is on track to be one of the most expensive in Kentucky's history. But at this point it is nowhere near the $32 million that Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell and Democrat Bruce Lunsford combined to spend in 2008.

aka, KY is used to Reid-level spending. And that's what it would take to get the word out on a relatively quiet Paul.

So unless Paul goes above Angle in gaffes, this should be lean-R.


[ Parent ]
PAC and DSCC money
Lets not forget PACs and DSCC will have money to spend on key races, and the list of competitive races worth investing may end up being relatively short. Conway could end up towards the top of that short list, as outside groups may view him as the best chance for a good return on investment.

Democrat: TN-8

[ Parent ]
Yes but
Using Ryan as a proxy for Kentucky Republicans doesn't make much sense.  I doubt strongly that Paul would have won the Republican primary in Pennsylvania where Ryan is from.  I mean Pat Toomey couldn't unseat Specter back in 2004, and Toomey has way more logical views for PA than Paul.

I think that Kentucky Republicans and Democrats probably differ from those found in other states where many of us live, especially in the Northeast.

I personally don't feel Paul is so out of step with kentucky that he is unelectable (he won the primary after all) and this race is predicted to be close by everyone.  For all of the foot-in-mouth moments Paul has had he's never plummeted in polls like Angle.


[ Parent ]
Hoosierdem also mentioned
a Grayson supporter he knew who wasn't voting for Paul, presumably this person is from Kentucky.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Yup From Louisville
He is a country club Republican. Fairly conservative, a Doctor. He voted for Beshear in 2007 but I can not think of any other dem he has supported in recent memory. I know he said he has never voted dem for a federal office anyway. I think there is a good chunk of voters out there like him and Ryan.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I'm liking this poll
And if Conway keeps running a good campaign and capulates on Paul's remarks like on what the Senate does and KY's drug problem the AG could fucking win this thing.

By the way James, change the name of the diary from Conway Noses Paul in New Poll to the rogue ophthalmologist losing by a nose. I chuckle everytime you refer him to that.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.


...
"capulates"?  I think you meant "capitalizes", but that was a Palin-worthy combination of "capitalize" and "capitulate".  ;-)

[ Parent ]
I would refudiate that assertion.


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
ky sen
James L...there is more than life in this one,yet. We have to get aggressive and we will win NC, KY and MO...the rep. candidates stink and we will win!!!!!!!!!!!

Quite possibly..
KY has become the best pickup possibility for the DEMS. Assuming we lose AR, DE, IN and ND and assuming that the GOP also picks up PA and CO, that would be bad enough. If Crist takes FL and caucuses with the DEMS (and he will, he will) and we pick-up KY, then the GOP gains will be reduced to +4, 3 seats under the mid-term seat switch average for the US Senate.

You be correct
Although I don't see us losing PA and CO. I did the math and DGM is right, the stars would have to be perfectly aligned for them to win back the Senate. They would have to retain all their open seats that are tossups, pickup AR, DE, IN and ND and hope Boxer, Murray and Feingold fuck up and lose. That's a tall order. In the end with Sanders, Holy Joe and Crist caucusing with us I see us at 54-55 by the end of the night.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
I see us a few seats higher than that
I'd be surprised if Republicans end the night in control of more than 43 seats.  

[ Parent ]
Right
But that's my lowest expectation. It could very well be higher, but nothing lower than 54.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
I
see us with 58 seats but that may be me just being my usual optimistic self  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  

[ Parent ]
Hey i'm optimistic
But even I don't see 58. 54-55 likely.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
My predictions
We get +Ohio +Kentucky +Florida and hold onto Pennsylvania, Illinois, Nevada, and Colorado

They win Delaware, North Dakota, Arkansas, and Indiana (for now)  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  


[ Parent ]
I
also see Blunt holding onto Missouri only because of the national environment for the Dems  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  

[ Parent ]
Your predictions are pretty good
And i'll go along with them, even with MO although secretly i'm still not giving up on that state.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
I'm
still hoping we end up winning Indiana Missouri and North Carolina but Ellsworth, Carnahan, and Marshall will have to run superior campaigns in order to do so.

Carnahan is doing a great job at painting Blunt as a Washington insider but if it weren't for this environment then shed be up easily by 5 points.

Ellsworth and Marshall will have to do the same if they are to win.  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  


[ Parent ]
I'm holding out hope for those races too
Canahan can win by distancing herself from the party and hammer Blunt for who he is and his image.

The other races problems is this.

NC-Sen, Burr can be beat but Marshall's campaign cannot pick up any traction and IN-Sen. Coats is the type of GOPer no one wants in office and if Ellsworth can gain traction he can beat Coats but don't count on it. MO-sen is doable, the other races. I don't think.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.


[ Parent ]
If
that happens November will be a GREAT night. I wish this was the case but I do not see it happening. Fisher stands little chance. Polling was close for awhile but his fundraising sucks. Plus the national mood added to the fact he is a pretty meh candidate I do not see it happening. I see us losing the four you say plus two others. I think we pick up two, Florida (Crist-D) and Kentucky (maybe, its fifty-fifty).  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I don't know if Fisher stands little chance
I think if he can get some dough and hammer Portman ecomically he can win but it will take work but I wouldn't write off OH-Sen

Question for you is which one would write off OH-Sen or your state's Senate race?

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.


[ Parent ]
Indiana
is lean R. I am not getting my hopes up for Ellsworth to win. The mood is too bad and I am not as optimistic as I once was. It is not absolutely impossible for Ellsworth to win but unlikely. However I stand by saying that it will be by a five to the seven point margin, not what ras has it at now. Ellsworth is a great candidate but the R by Coats's name is helping him tremendously. Now if you are wondering if I think Indiana is a better shot than Ohio. Yeah I do think that. Ellsworth is without question a better candidate than Fisher, while Portman is a better candidate than Coats. Also Ellsworth has slightly more money than Coats which is the exact opposite for Fisher. I agree with DCCyclone, Ohio is fools gold. Indiana is not likely but I would be more surprised to see a Senator Fisher than a Senator Ellsworth.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I don't think OH is fools gold but thank you for expressing your opinions
Wanted to know what you feel and I got it. Hopefully Ellsworth will win because I really do like the guy, more than Fisher if I had to choose between the two.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Yeah
truth be told I have avoided talking about IN-Sen lately. I mean it is extremely difficult to admit a candidate you like is not going to win. Down right depressing in fact. Especially when you plan on working your ass off for the said candidate. I will still volunteer hard for Ellsworth though. It sucks as well because it seems that Ellsworth has been sounding more liberal lately as well. I read his FB posts and he talks about HCR, about filibuster reform, about liberal job creation plans. He does not sound like a blue dog. Plus I despise Coats. Oh well, if we lose this year then there is always 2016.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Hey
All you can do is put up the best fight you can if you lose you lose but you'll remember tried hard to win. I know that's no consolidation because I hate Coats too.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Ohio is fool's gold, we're not going to win there......
Fisher is not running a good campaign and not raising enough money.  We just failed on candidate recruitment there.  On paper the Lt. Gov. and the elected Secretary of State should be a strong pair to choose from, but campaigns aren't waged on paper, and both Fisher and Brunner sucked.  Fisher just sucked less than Brunner, that was his only strength.

Fisher's only chance for a miracle win will be for Strickland to run a great campaign the rest of the way and survive, and then for the Ohio Dem Party to wage a great field campaign and get us over the hump in the turnout battle.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
So your saying
If we had someone else other than Fisher like Tim Ryan, our chances would be better?

Anyways I still think we can win it. Fisher needs to raise some dough and hammer Portman on economics and he can win.

I will give you this though: "Ohio if fools gold". Loved the line.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.


[ Parent ]
Yes another candidate would do better. I'm blaming our candidate. But...
...a great candidate obviously still would have only a 50-50 shot.  There's no one we can run in this anti-Democratic environment who'd be outright favored in OH-Sen against Portman.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
I still
give Fischer a 50/50 chance at winning

and him raising alot less than Portman can easily be solved with help by the DSCC  

17, Gay Male, Democrat, NJ-8  


[ Parent ]
Fisher
definitely still has a chance. But their has been a 5-7 point swing against both him and Sestak in the past week or so. I agree with you we will be in the general area of holding 55 seats after the elections, but I think it is more likely we stay like that by holding onto open blue seats, like Illinois, rather than picking off seats like Kentucky and North Carolina.

19, gay male, IL-7, MN 4 (college), Dem

[ Parent ]
Nonsense
To genuinely move 5-7% of the voters in a week you have to run around peeing on everybody's doorknobs.  

Wherever this race was a week ago, it is very close to that point today.  Toomey should have gained a point or two by going on the air in summer, but that is both meaningless and poor tactics.


[ Parent ]
North Carolina No
Kentucky, we have a chance.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Agreed
Ohio is swinging uniformly towards the Republicans. The past two weeks have shown bad news for the Democrats across IN,OH,and PA. It just isn't going to be a good region for the Democrats this cycle. Recession has hit those places especially hard and they have historical swings against the presidents party.

[ Parent ]
OH on paper swings towards the GOP that's a no brainer
But I wouldn't lump PS with IN and OH Senate wise just yet. That would be foolish.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
If Fisher wants to win
he needs to rake in the cash fast and go full blown angry economic populist against Portman. On paper, Portman should be an easy target since he promoted very anti-labor trade policies as trade representative for Bush. But he's not a tea party loon and of course he's fantastic at fundraising.

Right now, I'd peg this race as leans R. Ultimately, I don't think Fisher will pull this one out.

19, male, Dem, CT-04 (home) PA-02 (college and registered)


[ Parent ]
I think he has a chance
But he needs to raise some money and get on TV hitting Portman on economics like what you said. If he dosen't, he's dead.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
It's been decades
since there was a 7 seat turn over in a midterm, there have been 6 seat turn overs once or twice, but more often than not midterm turnovers have been quite limited. Those averages probably take into account old wave years; waves that intense simply don't happen anymore.

[ Parent ]
I smell pickup
This can easily be our pickup. Kentucky is nowhere near as solid red as many believe.  GOP support is a mile wide and an inch deep everywhere but the Eastern mountains, and Paul just screwed the pooch with them with his dismissal of the horrible drug problem there.

Conway needs only to make no mistakes from here on out, and the race is his.

And I'll go on record with GayTeen and others in predicting a 55-seat Democratic Senate caucus. I actually don't think Crist will caucus with the Democrats -- that's just wishful thinking. But he will win.

And so will Reid, Bennett, Sestak, Gianoulias and Murray. Boxer and Feingold won't even be close.

At this point, the only sure goners for the Democrats are SD and AR, with DE and IN as leaners.  I also put NC down as a Republican leaner, but another very winnable pickup for us.  A recent poll by PPP of the favorable/unfavorables of 31 candidates in 15 races showed Elaine Marshall, the NC Dem nominee, as having the second-best favorables, behind Mike Castle, the DE Republican nominee.  With a little love and money, Marshall could pull another surprise pickup.

Right now, I'd call OH and MO the only tossups.

These opinions, of course, are mine only.


Your opinions are not far fetched
Conway candefinetly win this. All he needs to do is not fuck up and get on TV making an issue of Paul's remarks like what he said regarding KY's drug problem. But I do think Crist will caucus with us. To the GOP, when he became a indy. He became persona non grata.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Ipsos is most believable
Right in-between this and the latest from Rasmussen. I agree with those that think this is possible but I remain skeptical it actually comes to pass.

I agree with those that think this is possible but I remain skeptical it actually comes to pass.
Why's that?

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
The state and the year


[ Parent ]
True but there are exceptions to the rule
And Conway can be that exception. If he gets on TV and makes a issue regarding Paul's statements he could very well win.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Sure
And as I said that could well happen.

[ Parent ]
And as I said that could well happen
My apoogizies. I didn't get that from reading your post.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
I'm actually getting LESS skeptical on this one, and more positive. I actually think...
...Paul has screwed up enough in ways that matter to informed voters that Conway can win this with a good media and messaging campaign, no matter how bad it is for us everywhere else.

I can see Reid and Conway winning even as we get slaughtered in all the other closest ones (exceptions:  CA, WA, and WI, which I think we'll pull out).

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Just a general observation
It's kind of ironic: if Rand Paul were ever in the Senate he'd vote with Democrats far more often than would Trey Grayson. Grayson is a cookie-cutter generic Republican who would never vote with Dems on anything, while Paul could potentially vote with Democrats on some social issues and foreign policy issues. If you read House roll calls--which I do, it's incredibly nerdy and I'm glad you don't know me in real life because you would make fun of me--you can see that Ron Paul isn't a slam dunk Republican vote.

If Republicans ever regain the Senate, it's likely he wouldn't support some of their big-government/low-taxes policies. Ron Paul didn't support the PATRIOT ACT if I'm not mistaken.

In terms of political rhetoric and discourse, Paul would be cataclysmic. If he wins, his voting pattern would be better than his would be Kentucky Senate mate, Mitch McConnell.

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan


I don't know...
He's probably not gung ho about an open-ended commitment in Afghanistan, but that probably has more to do with his deeply isolationist views than any particular dislike for the war. I guess that would put him to the right of mainstream Republicans and some Democrats.

What social issues do you think Rand Paul would break with the GOP on? I definitely don't see how he'd be any better than McConnell on issues like choice and gay rights.


[ Parent ]
I would think maybe foreign policy


22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Paul would break on foreign policy and then erraticly on other stuff.
Greyson would have been pretty much a copy of Bunning who is an 100% R vote. The danger with Paul is he''l be pushing his crazy bills and ideas on some issues where Greyson would have been just a generic R.  

[ Parent ]
Paul is not a good fit in KY.
They are pretty hawkish and they love their pork and farm subsidies.  Paul is against all of those, so that can be used against him in the race.  In 2008, McConnell ran on how much money he has secured for Kentucky.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


[ Parent ]
That's true, but.....
How many people in KY will be convinced that Paul is going to cut off the bacon coming home? Conway has got to start making a move to define himself as the normal persons candidate. In a state like KY I'm nervous about a race with lots of undecided. I feel like they'll most likely just vote for the R in the end if not convinced otherwise.  

[ Parent ]
If Conway goes on TV
And defines Paul as the lunatic as he is, those undecideds will break for him. It's natural to have these feelings when were talking about a state like KY because since Paul is very extreme for his views he won'y be a good fit on the issues as he lacks the knowledge and common sense for them like on KY's drug problem and i'm convinced that he will not bring home the bacon like what McConnell does.

22, Male, Democrat, PA-18.

[ Parent ]
Rand is not the same as Ron
Ron Paul is useless because he votes against anything. I'm willing to bed Rand would vote lockstep with the Republicans 95%+ of the time. The whole "libertarian hero" image that he's somehow earned is complete BS, the guy's a right-wing nut in the mold of Coburn.

[ Parent ]
Only (and I can't believe I'm saying this)
Not as smart

[ Parent ]
Completely agree about Paul
That's why I don't view him winning as bad as Repubs winning in, say PA, or OH. In fact, if I had to preordain only two R pickups, it would be him and Hoeven (former head of his state's socialist bank).

A bit off-topic; you're from NY-14, have you been involved with the Maloney campaign at all?

überliberal Democrat, male, OH-12 (college), NJ-09 ("home"), Mets, Jets


[ Parent ]
Read my lips
Rand Paul will have the same voting record as Bunning or DeMint. He is not like his father, he will not be different from other Republicans at all. He is no Ron Paul. I can guarantee you that.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
the last time
someone said read my lips, it  wasn't true. n/t

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

[ Parent ]
LOL
Believe it or not people have used that term before and after Bush Sr. used it. Bush gave a bad name to it. I'm not changing my vocabulary for him though.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]

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