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I'm Shocked, Shocked to Find a Dishonest Karl Rove Memo!

by: Crisitunity

Tue Aug 10, 2010 at 3:06 PM EDT


There's been a whole lot of OMG! today online about a new polling memo from Republican pollster POS on behalf of American Crossroads, the new one-stop-shopping Karl Rove 527 emporium for attack ads, message testing, and the like. Taegan Goddard, in particular, seems to have fallen prey to the way the memo is deviously worded, titling a post "Senate Up For Grabs?" and saying the poll "shows Republican U.S. Senate candidates averaging a high single-digit lead over their Democratic opponents in 13 states with close races -- suggesting Democrats might lose control of the chamber in this fall's elections."

Um, yeah. Except that's not 13 Democratic-held seats. The poll is of five GOP-held seats and eight Dem-held seats, but without topline numbers for any seat. It's a poll of smaller-than-useful samples in a bunch of different competitive races, globbed together into bigger numbers. The numbers still seem outlandish at first, with a 45-37 advantage for the GOP in the GOP-held seats, and a 47-40 advantage for the GOP in Dem-held seats. But then, looking a little deeper, you notice that those Dem-held seats include Arkansas, Delaware, and Indiana, where the GOP currently has large leads, tipping the scales' balance against the Dems in those other Dem-held seats.

To unpack this, I looked at today's Pollster.com rolling averages of each of these races, and averaged those out within each category to see what it looks like. For instance, for their five GOP-held seats, you have FL-Sen (using Meek vs. Rubio) at 15-32, KY-Sen at 43-45, MO-Sen at 44-48, NH-Sen (using Hodes vs. Ayotte) at 39-48, and OH-Sen at 41-43. That averages out to a 36-43 deficit for the Dems in those races altogether, not much different from POS's 37-45 figure. And in the eight Dem-held seats, there's AR-Sen at 34-57, CO-Sen (using Bennet vs. Buck) at 43-45, DE-Sen at 36-50, IL-Sen at 42-41, IN-Sen at 31-50, NV-Sen at 45-43, PA-Sen at 41-45, and WA-Sen at 49-47. That averages out to a 40-47 GOP advantage... remarkably, the exact same number that POS comes up with.

So my response to all this is: so what? If you go by the Pollster.com averages (and I wouldn't necessarily, as these are heavily determined by Rasmussen numbers and rely heavily on the large disparity between Rasmussen and other pollsters in OH, PA, and CO), they show Dems poised to lose six seats (throwing in ND-Sen, so far gone that they didn't bother polling it)... and gain one, assuming Charlie Crist dances with them that brung him and caucuses with the Dems... which would be a Rasmussen-style-worst-case-scenario net loss of five. Which is simply no different from what any other prognosticator, including us, would expect. So Karl Rove's The Math (TM) looks like it may actually be correct for the moment... but is it telling us anything that we don't already know?

Crisitunity :: I'm Shocked, Shocked to Find a Dishonest Karl Rove Memo!
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"You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy."

But, hey if they want to shift votes from Boozman, Coats and Castle to Toomey, Angle and Kirk et al and call it a "poll" then who are we to argue!


That's called
Insane Troll Logic.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
Ha - Maybe POS also just averaged out the pollster.com numbers? :-)
First off, I'm kidding.  :-)  Really, I am.

But, seriously, after Nate's episodes with Research 2000 and Strategic Vision, my idea of the simplest explanation for coincidental polling results has changed somewhat...


Karl Rove lied?????????????
You sir are the liar, Rove is an hon.... Sorry I can't finish this sentence.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

Whoever
puts the words honesty and integrity together with Rove should be executed upon site. Shame though, why is it only the GOP that can play dirty and get away with it.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
I think you're kind of missing the point
Rove's analysis wasn't based off the toplines of the states, whatever they may have been. A focus on polling numbers, as this site has, can lead to leaving out the real purpose of such memos.

The purpose, as POS partner Glen Bolger noted in the memo, is that in addition to the toplines, they tested several messages and found much better response for GOP messages than their Democratic counterparts. Bolger concluded that there are three important components of elections: enthusiasm, message, and money, and the results of this poll show that Republicans have the first two.

Now, the assertion that the Senate is up for grabs as a result of this poll is, as you noted, specious given that five of the seats are currently GOP-held. However, 5-seats is far from a "worst case scenario" for Democrats this fall. In a wave election, with 12 weeks to go and a lot could happen, it is certainly within the realm of possibility that AR, CA, CO, DE, IL, IN, NV, ND, PA, WA, and WI switch hands and the GOP holds their seats. Likely? No. But possible? Sure. That has to be the worst-case scenario.



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