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Redistricting Illinois: 14 D - 4 R

by: Menhen

Sat Aug 07, 2010 at 11:10 PM EDT


This is my first attempt at redistricting Illinois.  I drew this map assuming that Governor Pat Quinn wins re-election and Democrats control the redistricting trifecta.  SSPers know, of course, that Pat Quinn trails in the high single-digits in the most recent polls, so full Democratic control remains in doubt.  

Illinois is predicted to lose a congressional seat in 2012, going from 19 to 18 seats.  This necessitated the drawing together of two incumbents, Peter Roskam and Mike Quigley.  Illinois also currently has 4 VRA districts (3 African-American, 1 Hispanic) all based in the City of Chicago.  I preserved all 4 districts, and I felt that the sharp Hispanic growth required the creation of another majority Hispanic district.  Therefore, my map has 5 Minority-Majority districts.  

Menhen :: Redistricting Illinois: 14 D - 4 R

Chicago Area

District 1 (Golden Yellow) Pop. 716,433; 56% Black, 36% White, 6% Hispanic - Bobby Rush (D)

Located in the Heart of Chicago's South Side, the 1st District remains mostly the same, except that it grows a bit in area and becomes dramatically less Black (formerly 65%, now 56%), but this is all a result of population loss in that area.  Still heavily Black and strongly Democratic. Obama ~ 80% - 85%

District 2 (Dark Blue) Pop. 719,391; 55% Black, 32% White, 12% Hispanic - Jesse Jackson, Jr. (D)

The South Side's other Majority Black district, the 2nd also stays mostly the same, but expands in area and becomes a bit less Black.  It takes in some of the Cook County portion of Judy Biggert's current district, but still remains the most Democratic district in Illinois.  Obama ~ 85% - 90%

District 3 (Red) Pop. 712,342; 63% Hispanic, 29% White, 5% Black - OPEN (D)

Unlike most of the other ethnic groups in the city, Chicago's Hispanic population is growing rapidly.  Currently there is only one Majority Hispanic district in Illinois, represented by Luis Gutierrez. The rapid growth, as well as the large distance between the two main Latino enclaves, led me to create two Hispanic majority districts.  The 3rd, located on the South and West sides of the City and including Cicero, Berwyn, and Burbank, is predominantly Mexican.  Gutierrez, this area's current Congressman, is Puerto Rican and lives on the North Side.  The split will allow the Mexican Community to have it's own voice in Congress.
Obama ~ 70% - 75%

District 4 (Turquoise Blue) Pop. 716,176; 57% Hispanic, 30% White, 5% Black - Luis Gutierrez (D)

This is Chicago's second majority Hispanic District.  It is primarily Puerto Rican and is located just North and West of the Loop.  It is reasonably compact (much better than the previous 4th, at least) and includes Rep. Gutierrez's home.  He would likely be very happy with this district.  It remains strongly Democratic. Obama ~ 70% - 75%

District 5 (Purple) Pop. 718,061; 74% White, 14% Hispanic, 8% Asian - Mike Quigley (D) + Peter Roskam (R)

The new 5th District draws together two relatively new Congressman, Democrat Mike Quigley of Chicago and Republican Peter Roskam of DuPage County.  Roskam's District was very evenly divided when he won his first term in 2006, but in 2008 it gave President Obama 56% of the vote.  The addition of strongly Democrat-leaning parts of Northern Chicago makes the 5th a likely to safe Democrat district, and Quigley should beat Roskam fairly easily.  Obama ~ 60% - 65%

District 6 (Gray) Pop. 718,677; 54% Black, 35% White, 5% Hispanic - Danny Davis (D)

Danny Davis's District bled population over the last decade, and therefore had to increase dramatically in size.  It is the last of Chicago's 3 majority Black districts, and it stretches from Downtown/The Loop out to the Cook County - DuPage County border, and South to include more conservative suburbs formerly represented by Dan Lipinski.  At 54% Black, it is still strongly Democratic.  Obama ~ 80% - 85%

District 7 (Pink) Pop. 720,868; 64% White, 13% Asian, 13% Hispanic - Jan Schakowsky (D)

This new district takes up much of North Chicago along the lakeshore, including Lakeview, the Midwest's largest gay district.  Much of this area was formerly in Mike Quigley's district, but will probably be happier with a strong Liberal like Schakowsky.  It also includes her home in Evanston, some North-Western suburbs like Des Plaines and Park Ridge, and other Democrat leaning areas north of the city.  It should be safely Democratic.  Obama ~ 70% - 75%

Collar Counties/Chicago Exurbs

District 8 (Violet/Purplish Blue) Pop. 718,040; 74% White, 14% Hispanic, 7% Asian - Melissa Bean (D)

Covers a similar territory to Bean's old district, but now takes in more of Lake and Cook Counties and much less of McHenry County.  Moves closer to Chicago, so I would guess that it becomes somewhat more Democratic.  Likely still a narrowly Dem-leaning swing district.  Obama ~ 55% - 60%

District 9  (Bright Green) Pop. 715,049; 66% White, 18% Hispanic, 10% Asian - Dan Seals (D) or Bob Dold (R)

Mark Kirk's elusive North Shore district moves a little more into Cook County, and becomes 15% less White in the process (going from 81% to 66%).  It now includes Dan Seals' home in Willmette, as well as Highland Park, Lake Forest, and Waukegan in Lake County.  If Dan Seals doesn't win this district in 2010, another Democrat will in 2012.  Obama ~ 65% - 70%

District 10  (Tan) Pop. 712,389; 73% White, 11% Hispanic, 9% Asian - Judy Biggert (R) + Dan Lipinski (D)

This district strongly resembles Judy Biggert's old 13th, but it was drawn with ConservaDem Dan Lipinski in mind.  It includes a portion of his old urban-suburban district, as well as parts of Will and DuPage counties, centered mainly around Naperville.  If faced with a Lipinski matchup in 2012, Biggert would probably opt to retire, but if not, or if Republicans can manage to find a moderate State legislator to run, Republicans could hold this district.  But Lipinski, a social-conservative who is already well known in the area, would have a significant chance of winning here.  Obama ~ 50% - 55%

District 11 (Olive Green) Pop. 718,631; 66% White, 24% Hispanic, 6% Black - Bill Foster (D) OR Randy Hultgren (R)

One of the few Districts in Illinois that has been experiencing steady growth over the past decade, Bill Foster's district had to shed it's Western rural counties, but is still centered around Kane, Kendall, and Dekalb Counties.  It includes the fast growing, Democrat-leaning, minority-majority city of Aurora, as well as Geneva, Elgin, and DeKalb. Becomes slightly more Democratic, which should help Foster out, though the district is already trending blue.  Obama ~ 55% - 60%

Rural Illinois

District 12 (Dark Green) Pop. 712,202; 80% White, 11% Hispanic, 6% Black - Don Manzullo (R)

Manzullo's district stays mostly the same (centered around Rockford), but loses rural Carrol, Ogle, and Whiteside Counties in exchange for almost all of McHenry.  Maybe moves slightly left, but not drastically, and not enough to dislodge Manzullo.  Obama ~ 50% - 55%

District 13 (Periwinkle Blue)  Pop. 719,998; 76% White, 12% Hispanic, 9% Black - Debbie Halvorson (D) OR Adam Kizinger (R)

The 14th takes in all of Kankakee County, most of Will County, and most of LaSalle County.  It loses the strange shaped arm that stretched South into McLean County and becomes much more compact.  Minority growth in the Joliet area makes this district a bit more Democratic, and should be a Democratic hold in a neutral year.  Obama ~ 55% - 60%

District 14 (Sky Blue) Pop. 717,188; 90% White, 4% Hispanic, 3% Black - Aaron Schock (R)

I had to draw Aaron Schock's home in Peoria out of his district and into Phil Hare's but in exchange I gave him a district that is a bit more Republican.  It streches South from the Iowa border to strongly Republican Tazewell County, then to the Springfield area, and finally West to include all of McLean County.  Should be safely Republican.  Obama ~ 45%

District 15 (Orange) Pop. 717,498; 88% White, 6% Black, 3% Hispanic - Timothy Johnson (R)

Stays almost exactly the same, covers the same area along the Indiana border and leans strongly Republican.  Obama ~ 45% - 50%

District 16 (Dark Purple)  Pop. 716,746; 83% White, 9% Black, 4% Hispanic - Phil Hare (D)  

This district is now much more compact than it used to be. It includes the Illinois portion of the Quad Cities, Peoria, and a small portion of Springfield, as well as a large swath of rural farming counties along the Iowa border.  Should be safe for Hare, though the area is trending Republican.  Obama ~ 55% - 60%

District 17 (Green) Pop. 717,602; 81% White, 15% Black, 2% Hispanic - Jerry Costello (D)

I tried to shore up Costello's district as much as possible, but it's still more or less the same.  It loses some of it's far Southern counties along the Kentucky border that have been trending Republican, and gains Macoupin and Montgomery Counties, both of which were won by Obama. Still, the needle doesn't move too much.  Obama ~ 55%

District 18 (Yellow) Pop. 711,505 89% White, 7% Black, 2% Hispanic - John Shimkus (R)

Still the most Republican district in Illinois, Shimkus's doesn't change much.  It's hard to believe this district was once represented by Dick Durbin.  Obama ~ 40% - 45%

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Lipinski would struggle in his district
against any decent Republican.  The DuPage area of that district is heavily GOP at the local level.  

I wouldn't even call this district fair.  To make it a fair district, I would give Lipinski the portions of Chicago in his district and dump some of the DuPage territory into Davis' district.


That's difficult to do when you're trying to keep Davis's district majority Black
But really, I it doesn't really matter to me what happens to Lipinski.  At least in this case we would get a strong Hispanic Democrat instead of a ConservaDem like him.

16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
Another example of why
the VRA is worthless in many of these blue states. It simply is not needed anymore.  

There is absolutely no reason why you need majority black districts in Chicago to elect a black Congressperson.  


[ Parent ]
Chicago is
incredibly segregated. Aside from Pilsen, some areas near Midway, and Hyde Park/Kenwood, the South Side is INCREDIBLY black. (My district at school, IL-01, is the most African-American district in the entire country.) You can't get rid of the majority black districts without incredible gerrymandering. And I would dispute your argument because I think aside from MO-05 and probably SC-01 soon, no majority-white districts are represented by minorities.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Heavily segregated Milwaukee
is represented by Gwen Moore, a black woman, in a district that is 54% white and 33% black.  And there is a good chance that Dan Seals will be representing one very shortly.

I dispute the idea that a 40% black district in the Chicago area would refuse to elect a black rep.  


[ Parent ]
It depends where.
I think if you created a 40% black district by combining the black parts of the South Side with the neighborhoods and suburbs around Midway, those areas would opt for a Lipinski-type over a progressive black rep. However, combining, say, the bulk of Davis' district with liberal areas like Lincoln Park and Belmont could well work.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
I would draw these districts
to the south and west.  Drop Rush and Jackson's districts into Will County, and move Davis' district into Southern DuPage County.  Have Lipinski represent SW Cook County plus some of Will/DuPage.  Then I'd give some of the remaining black areas to the Quigley/Roskam or Halvorson districts.

[ Parent ]
I'm making a map now
I just put the town of Wheaton in Danny Davis' district and kept it at 51% black. What is the political make up of Wheaton?  I know it is GOP, but is it conservative or liberal socially?

[ Parent ]
Wheaton
Is the home of Wheaton College, a religious right school that is the alma mater of Billy Graham.

[ Parent ]
Not true
Keith Ellison and Andre Carson are two other black representatives representing majority-white districts.

http://www.swingstateproject.c...

Wu, Cole, Salazar, Franks, Ellison, Cleaver, Carson, and Eshoo.

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan


[ Parent ]
franks and eshoo and wu
not disenfranchised minorities (hisp./aa/na)

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

[ Parent ]
Doesn't Franks call himself Hispanic?


16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
IL-01 and IL-02 were pretty smartly constructed though.
IL-01, especially, with the Chicago parts of the district anchoring a huge votesink for the Republican-leaning Southwest burbs. I think the recipe is to do the same, ceding some of the northern parts of those to IL-07 to make up for population loss there, and to sink even more of the Republican Southwest burbs, I'm thinking Orland, Palos, and even out to Will.

I also just wonder, thinking about it, given Chicago's population loss, whether it's really possible to create a new Chicago-based district without displacing a current Chicago Rep.

I think my candidate for district to get axed is Judy Biggert's, you can divide up her areas - giving the Republican shit like Hinsdale/Downers Grove/Lemont to Roskam (while pinching out the less bad areas of his, like Addison/Bensenville to Melissa Bean), and the Democratic-leaning parts like Naperville to Bill Foster (getting Kendall County the hell out of his district) and the area around Joliet to Debbie Halvorson. By doing that, we can split up the Democratic parts of Biggert's district to shore up the ring of suburban/exurban Dems...though we would have to concede Roskam's seat to him.

As far as gains - given that we picked up quite a few seats unexpectedly, I think it'd be good to concede Roskam, Manzullo, Schock, and Shimkus - we can make a snakey-collegey Champaign-Bloomington/Normal-Springfield-Decatur district connecting the Dem parts of these cities. Also, somehow, I want to pull Rockford out of Manzullo's district - the natural solution would be Foster, but his district doesn't need the population; I think the choice left is Hare (removing his district from Springfield - and therefore the need to go through Republican river towns like Quincy), and substituting a chunk of Rockford instead.


[ Parent ]
SW Cook County burbs in theory
should go to a Democrat who is just like them, Dan Lipinski.

I'm not really for gerrymanders, but I'm working on an aggressive gerrymander.  It consists of sending Ill-1 into the worst parts of Will County, Ill-2 into Kankakee, Grundy, and Kendall counties, and Ill-7 takes in Wheaton, while keeping these districts majority black.  If you are going to use them as a vote sink, they should take in real hard core GOP areas, not quasi ones like SW Cook county that can be won by the right Democrat.

This is one state, unfortunately, that the 2008 election numbers are probably not too helpful.  Obama won places like McHenry county, which we know is heavily GOP.


[ Parent ]
some counties in southern Cook County
like Flossmoor and Harvey, have decent-sized black populations and would probably be fairly Democratic I'd imagine.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
d'oh
some SUBURBS in southern Cook County...

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
IL-1 and 2
While screwing around with Dave's App, I managed to keep both South Side districts majority black while drawing them out into Iroquois, Ford and Livingston counties, which had McCain's highest percentages in the state IIRC, to take some pressure off IL-11 and 15 (which became the "downstate urban cores linked together" district). This freed up some of the more diverse southern suburbs for better use elsewhere, like turning IL-13 solidly Dem or annoying Lipinski. Also, with regards to Rockford, I found that half of it can be put in IL-14 and half in IL-8, with IL-16 sneaking in to take some of the more conservative areas out of each.

NY-25 (home), CT-03 (med school), dude, liberal Democrat, long-suffering Mets fan

[ Parent ]
also
keith ellison's district, and andre carson..muslims no less

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

[ Parent ]
To be honest
I really really dislike the latter facet of these two Congresspeople, but I'd probably vote for either of them over some anti-worker Republican.  Definitely in the case of Ellison, who has been a strong fighter for working people.

[ Parent ]
You dislike that they're Muslim?


16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
Sounds like the textbook definition
of bigotry.

[ Parent ]
I define bigotry as baseless prejudice
not all prejudice is baseless.

[ Parent ]
Prejudice just because someone is Muslim
is bigotry.

[ Parent ]
Just realized you've shown bigotry against Muslims multiple times
First, your agreement with this user who was subsequently banned,

ref http://www.swingstateproject.c...

Second, your endorsement of Ron Ramsey's views of Islam, ref http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

I am disappointed. If this were my site, I would expel you. There is NO place for that kind of intolerance on a site that supports the values of the Democratic Party.


[ Parent ]
Save it for Redstate.


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Well
Redstate is right occasionally like it or not.

[ Parent ]
So you do admit to bigotry against people
just because they happen to be of the Islamic faith.

[ Parent ]
Whatever
If you want to hold these views that is fine, I could care less and I am not trying to start a debate over it. Like I said take it to another blog though. This is not the place for that rhetoric.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Thanks


Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
We are warning you in the sternest possible terms
Your views are repellent to this site - but that is actually beside the point. This is an ugly, stupid, pointless derail, and you've been here long enough to know exactly how unwelcome it is. Any improper behavior from you in the future will result in an immediate banning.

[ Parent ]
Interesting.
I think splitting Gutierrez's district in two makes a lot of sense. It gets rid of the problem of trying to connect two disparate pockets of the city of Chicago.

However, I'm not a fan of what you did to Quigley's district. Giving him Milton Township in DuPage County won't be good for him at all, and worse, I think you took the Lakefront Liberals out of his district, who are his natural constituency. (Quigley's my new congressman as of Wednesday...I am one of those "Lakefront Liberals" - Schawkosky's my old Rep and I love her, but I love Quigley too...)

Also, I think the Biggert/Lipinski district could easily swing R. Naperville Township is decently liberal, but Lisle and Downers Grove are normally pretty Republican (but did go for Obama). Plus throwing in Lemont and the more conservative half of Orland/Palos probably doesn't do any favors. Also, the Will County part of your new district is the most suburban/exurban part that's pretty reflexively Republican; the areas around Homer Glen aren't particularly receptive to Dems, especially if the Dem isn't Obama.


The DuPage areas will reject Lipinski
even the relatively liberal areas.  He will get crushed there, and my guess is that since DuPage is 2/3 of this district, it is simply not a fair district.  

You will need likely need a social liberal running against a Christian right type (see Bill Brady) to have a chance in the DuPage Co areas.  


[ Parent ]
Exactly Lipinski is the anthesis of Dupage County
And as a resident of DuPage County and a person who hates Lipinski, I really hope this type of map is drawn. Someone like Harper will be able to win here (especially in 2012). And once a Democrat wins this seat, they can hold it.

This is just one of those ancestrally republican/social liberal/fiscally conservative area.  


[ Parent ]
I didn't even realize
Quigley lived that far west. I thought he lived in like, Lincoln Park or something.

Naperville strikes me as a fiscally conservative but socially moderate type of place. Lipinski would be a terrible fit. I wouldn't shed too many tears if he lost, though, because the representative from the Pilsen/Cicero district would probably be a good Dem.

Also, it's hard to tell from this small map but I think I would still be in Bobby Rush's district...which sucks because I think Rush is a moron. But aside from that this is a good map. Can't wait for IL to get partisan data.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
looking at the map,
I think Quigley may live outside the district I drew for  him.  But, I don't think Illinois has a residency requirement, because I remember reading that Dan Seals doesn't live in the 10th.  

16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
Well
your write-up mentions Dan Seals living in Wilmette, so if that's true you're right. I believe the 9th has at least most of Wilmette, if not all of it.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
...but as an afterthought
it's still pretty important to have your base be able to vote for you.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
No state has a residency requirement
Congresspeople are required to be residents of their state, not their district.

Constitution of the United States:

Article 1, Section 2:

No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the Age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that State in which he shall be chosen.

The requirements are established by the Constitution; states can't add to (or subtract from) that list.


[ Parent ]
Also, If you got to the University of Chicago
then yes, Hyde Park is still in Rush's district.  But it could easily be put in either Jackson's or Davis's.

16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
Jackson's shady, but better than Rush.
IL-02 does actually contain a sliver of Hyde Park, but due to one of the large UChicago dorms being moved from IL-02 to IL-01 there aren't that many UChicago students living in IL-02 anymore. I personally believe that HP is a unique enough neighborhood that we deserve to be put into one district. :P

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Oh, he doesn't
He lives in Lakeview, which technically doesn't go further west than Ravenswood Avenue (and the UP-North Metra line), about 1800W on the street grid. Interestingly, he's even listed in the House roll as "D-Lakeview", where the other Chicago Reps prefer "D-Chicago".

His old Cook County Commission District, the 10th, is made up of a section of the lakefront between LP and Uptown, with an inward protrusion into Lincoln Square.

Also, Menhen, to answer your question re: the Northwest Side, it is one of the more Republican areas of the city - the only Republican on the Chicago City Council Brian Doherty represents the 41st ward, which includes O'Hare and is in the new 5th. The only Republican representing Chicago in the IL House is from the 20th LD, also that area of the city.

I think the wards you've made the new core of the district - the 36th (67% Obama), 38th (71% Obama), and 45th (68% Obama) are much less liberal than the ones you've taken out, such as my ward, the 44th (80%), the 46th (84%), and the 47th (83%). Obviously with Obama, it didn't matter, but in a more marginal year, it definitely would.


[ Parent ]
How Democratic is North-western Illinois?
I know it's pretty white and working class, heavily Polish, but do you know how strongly they vote for Democrats?  I could put more of that into Quigley's district...but it's hard to get Lakeview in with Gutierrez's district in the way.

16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
You mean Northwestern Chicago?
Poles are actually a fairly reliable Democratic voting bloc, although nothing on the level of, say, blacks or Puerto Ricans. On the other hand, I think those voters would probably prefer for a Democrat like Lipinski (who, of course, is Polish himself) than a lakefront liberal.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


[ Parent ]
Yes, Chicago. My mistake.
Partisan data would be helpful right now, to find out just how Democratic the Quigley-Roskam district would be.  

16, Male, MI-01

[ Parent ]
Does anybody
know if partisan data is available online for Illinois?

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

It isn't
and may not be all that helpful in Illinois.  Obama won areas in the Chicago suburbs which are strongly GOP at the local level, and did poorly in areas in southern Illinois where the Dems are pretty strong locally.

[ Parent ]
Usual concerns
The Obama percentage alone isn't that informative - he got a landslide of epic proportions in Illinois. Kerry is probably a better barometer, especially as a lagging indicator may be more useful when we're looking for incumbent protection.

I agree that sticking Lipinski in the suburbs will lead to a certain defeat. He's a machine politician and far too socially conservative. I don't like him either, but there's a much more invidious way to get rid of him: give him the new Mexican majority district. You'll probably want to make it less than 50% Hispanic (and pass those areas along to try and get Biggert in trouble) but you can essentially set a timebomb under him. All it will take is a major increase in Hispanic voter registration or a stupid comment about immigration and Lipinski will primary himself out of a job.


Good point about the Kerry Data
 But I think Obama would have probably improved in Illinois over Kerry anyway even if Obama were not from there. He would have still turned out Chicago and probably would have made inroads in the Chicago suburbs like he did in Philadelphia's suburbs. That would be an interesting diary for someone to write. How would have Illinois voted in 2008 if Obama were not from there?  

for more election analysis, visit  http://frogandturtle.blogspot....




17, CA-06,  


[ Parent ]
True
But Obama won. Drawing maps isn't about how many you can win in a good year. It's about how many you can hold onto in a bad year. And in a bad year, it'll often be the most recent gains (like the Chicago suburbs) which slip back furthest.

I just think that when drawing maps you should begin with pessimistic assumptions. It means you're less likely to create a dummymander.


[ Parent ]
I sort of agree with you but...
There's also such a thing as being too cautious, and when you act too cautiously, you end up ceding a number of districts in neutral or good years for your party.

A good map should be based on both things, maximizing your gains in good years while protecting your incumbents in bad years.

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24, Male, Democrat, NM-01, Chairman of the Atheist Caucus, and Majority Leader of the "Going to Hell" caucus!


[ Parent ]
Good question
How far did he move the needle in neighboring states?

IL - +15
WI - +13
MN - +7
IA - +11
MO - +7
IN - +21
MI - +13
OH - +6
PA - +7

McCain gave up in Michigan and made his last stand in Pennsylvania. Obama took Minnesota for granted. Iowa probably had much to do with his organization from the caucus. Indiana was because he actually campaigned there and because his home state was next door. That fact probably helped throughout the region and I remember pundits asking why the Democrats had never nominated a Rust Belter before.


[ Parent ]
"Never nominated a Rust Belter before"?
How about Adlai Stevenson?

[ Parent ]
And Walter Mondale
though MN is at the edge of the rust belt, it is the traditional source of the source of rust....

[ Parent ]
Never should have said never
Modern era.

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