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NV-Sen, NV-Gov: This Week in Crazy

by: Crisitunity

Thu Aug 05, 2010 at 4:49 PM EDT


Ipsos for Reuters (7/30-8/1, likely voters, no trendlines):

Harry Reid (D-inc): 48
Sharron Angle (R): 44
Other: 2
Undecided: 7
(MoE: ±4.6%)

The first poll of NV-Sen for Ipsos isn't particularly surprising; most polls lately have averaged out to a lead for Reid in the low- to mid-single-digits. What is very interesting about this poll is that they release separate likely voter and registered voter numbers, and let me just say: holy crap, take a look at the disparity with the RVs! Among RVs (MoE 4%), Harry Reid completely dominates, leading 52-36 (with 2 for other). That points to as clear a quantification of the "enthusiasm gap" between the parties this year as I've seen, and certainly should spur more conversation on how Democrats should be looking to activate those currently "unlikely" voters who'd vote Dem if they actually voted.

It's been a few days since we've talked about Nevada, and Sharron Angle has been very busy, saying enough bizarre things to fill a whole article. She started out on Monday with a Fox News interview, where she got a little too candid about her media strategy: she said she wanted "the press to be our friend," and "ask the questions we want to answer so that they report the news the way we want it to be reported." Well, that would certainly explain why she was appearing on Fox (whose Carl Cameron had to titter nervously and call her "naive" in the face of all that ill-advised honesty).

Then yesterday it came out that Angle, who'd previously referred to running for office as a "calling from God," had gone way beyond that in a previously-unnoticed radio interview with a Christian news service from a few months ago. She attacked entitlement programs as wanting to "make government our God," and referred to "dependency" on the government as "idolatry" and a violation of the First Commandment.

From his perch on the other side of the country, Mitch McConnell can clearly see the trainwreck unfolding, and he made it clear that there won't be a repeat of 2004, when Bill Frist campaigned against Tom Daschle on his turf: McConnell confirmed he won't campaign in person in Nevada this year. Nor can Angle count on help from Danny Tarkanian, whom she dispatched in the primary: Lois Tarkanian (Danny's mom, and wife to basketball legend Jerry) announced she's joining Harry Reid's campaign, in order to "call out Sharron Angle's extreme and dangerous positions." At least Angle is still mixing it up on the airwaves, with her newest TV spot a relatively normal and coherent one, although it does make the leap of trying to blame the entire housing bubble collapse on Reid.

Rory Reid (D): 39
Brian Sandoval (R):  50
Other: 1
Undecided: 10
(MoE: ±4.6%)

Ipsos isn't so kind to the younger Reid, finding him trailing Brian Sandoval by 11 in the open gubernatorial race. The registered voter numbers, as you might expect, show a much closer race, giving Sandoval a lead of only 43-42.

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Just wow...
Angle is seriously scary. I hope Reid keeps the pressure up. I'd put out an ad with a recording of that radio show, play Angle saying that. I wonder how much long GOPVOTER will able to say he'd vote for Angle, rather than none of the above.

I'm really eagerly waiting for Kenny Guinn's Reid endorsement; he's very moderate and on top of that he had a rocky relationship with Angle when she was in the State House, she lambasted him a couple of times and opposed all of his agenda.  Reid already has the endorsements of Republican Sparks Mayor Geno Martini, and the highly respected Republican mayor of Reno, Bob Cashell. I think a "Republicans for Reid" ad would be detestating.


Kenny Guinn
died just last month, so unfortunately we won't get to find out.

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My god
That happened just two weeks ago!!! I hadn't seen anything about it on the site, you guys should have mentioned it. Considering Guinn refused to endorse Jim Gibbons in 2006, (who looks positively liberal and reasoned compared to Angle), I think it's almost a given he would have backed Reid eventually if he'd thought it would helped him win.

A shame. I think it really is a shame; Guinn was a very good governor and one of the few truly practical, pragmatic moderates in the Republican party.  


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Here's
Reid's speech honoring him on the senate floor if you're interested.



19, Male, Independent, CA-12


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i mentioned it
in a digest comment

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

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Wow, I had no idea...
and we were all in Vegas for Netroots Nation that day, too.  Had no idea.  The Las Vegas Sun had a very good obituary showing how well-liked he was by people from both parties.  It's quite telling that so many people they interviewed all talked about how much Guinn cared for the common person.

R.I.P.


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That RV/LV gap is alarming.
Play that over all races everywhere and things would be a lot different.  The question is how do we motivate those who are turned off.  The economy won't be getting much better.  There are no more major legislative accomplishments (probably).

well Reid is pushing Immigration reform
this year to help with hispanic voters.  

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It'll probably narrow

but the key argument for Democrats isn't going to be "Imagine what a Democratic Congress will pass next year!"

It's going to be "You don't want your Democratic Senator/House Rep voted out, do you?"

There isn't a whole lot of demand for legislative accomplishments out their on either side or among average citizens, as far as I can tell.  Both partisan sides largely want that the Other Side doesn't undo their favorite pieces and will settle for the status quo.  I suspect the outcome is pretty much going to give us that result- Congress solidly gridlocked.


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That RV gap
I've never seen a RV/LV gap that large.  And while it could mean the enthusiasm gap will have immense implications, it could also mean that there is something off with how the pollster determines what a likely voter is.  For example, if part of the screen is "Did you vote in the last midterm election?" that will exclude a lot of Obama '08 voters.  Or, if the screen assumes that in a midterm, 45% of Nevada registered voters will vote (I'm making this up, obviously), and 40% of respondents say they will definitely vote this fall while another 20% say they will probably vote this fall, then the pollster may be excluding a lot of those self-described probable voters.

In any event, I am taking some heart in seeing this gap between RVs and LVs, because I think all pollsters this year are having some problems determining LVs.  As we get closer to the election, the LV screen may be more accurate.  And certainly in a place like NV, the Reid machine can spend the money to turn more of those RVs into LVs (and help Dina Titus at the same time).


It's more likely the latter
Polling "likely voters" this early is a slippery slope to start with.  For example, what happens with the Arizona immigration law could spike or depress Latino turnout in that state.  Prop 8 decision might increase or decrease turnout from some elements.  Some disaster or really good thing in the wars could make for a big change.

PPP has polls that range from a 0% Obama no show rate up to a 28% no show rate.  Obviously those are two completely different universes.

Nevada is a case where both candidates are disliked, but Reid is like Edwin Edwards and Angle (while not like David Duke) is clearly a much more disliked politician.  When some answers "disapprove", they could say "yeah I diapprove of boring Reid" and also "That batshit nutjob Angle is the most crazy loon ever."  The poll suggests a lot of unmotivated people think that way, but if some of them do get motivated in the next four months, the better it is for Reid.

Ipsos is to be congratulated for releasing both registered and likely numbers.  I don't know how all the pollsters define "likely" but the dictionary says "highly probable".  A lot of "probable but not highly probable" voters do in fact vote, so a look at both numbers is more descriptive than merely the "likely" ones.


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Although...
it looks like Danny Tarkanian himself is supporting Sharron Angle, and is defending Angle's comments from 2009 about a family ideally only having one parent out working.

Danny Tarkanian, one of Angle's defeated foes in the GOP primary, also weighed in Thursday by defending Angle. Tarkanian said he supports his mother's position that a woman has the right "to pursue her dreams and aspirations in the work place" but believes Angle shares that view as well.

"As most Nevadans realize, we need to quickly change the direction our country is headed and revert back to the constitutional principles that have made our country the envy of the entire world," Tarkanian said in a statement. "Electing Sharron Angle is a vital and necessary step towards this goal."

Lois Tarkanian, however, said that no matter how the Angle campaign explains her comments she and other working women are offended by someone who says that the "right thing to do" is to have one parent stay home to raise the children when some people have no choice.

"I wouldn't be here today if I didn't think she meant it," said Tarkanian, a long-time Reid supporter.

Do we even know if Lois is a Republican?


Lois Tarkanian is a Las Vegas City Councilwoman and is a Democrat.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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I heard that she is a Democrat, but I might be wrong.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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IDK
According to the link I supply she is a Republican.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  


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Oops, my bad.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Lois Tarkanian is a Las Vegas City Councilwoman and is a Democrat.


Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


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Isn't it a tradition that the Min. Leader doesn't campaign against the Maj. Leader and vice versa?
Also, what could McConnell possibly bring to her campaign?  He has the charisma of a turtle.

Ad hoc, ad loc and quid pro quo!
So little time, so much to know!


Frist broke that in 2004


21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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