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Oklahoma Primary Preview

by: jeffmd

Tue Jul 27, 2010 at 1:08 PM EDT


A relatively low-key week in primaries; with just Oklahoma on tap.

Predictions? Toss 'em in the comments; polls close at 7pm Central (8pm Eastern).

  • OK-Gov (D): The race is on to replace term-limited Dem Brad Henry, with Lieutenant Governor Jari Askins and Attorney General Drew Edmondson running to hold this one for team Blue. Both are statewide elected officials (LG in Oklahoma is elected separately) and have their street cred, but the two recent polls of this race have given Edmondson a 49-33 and a 38-27 lead. As we mentioned in yesterday's digest, Askins just scored a big endorsement from former OU football coach Barry Switzer, but Edmondson still retains the advantage here.

  • OK-Gov (R): A congressperson from the 5th CD holding a sizeable lead over a lesser-known state official in the Republican primary? If this all seems a bit deja vu, it is. In 2006, then OK-05 Rep. Ernest Istook bested state Energy Secretary Bob Sullivan 55-31; now we see if Istook's successor Mary Fallin can repeat the feat against Tulsa-area State Senator Randy Brogdon. Recent polls suggest she will, pegging her lead at 56-18 and 50-22, respectively. There are also two Some Dudes in the race, which will go to a runoff in a month if Fallin can't claim 50%+1 tonight.

  • OK-02 (D): Dan Boren is one of the most conservative Dems in the 111th Congress, which has drawn him a challenger in Jim Wilson, a state senator from the northeastern part of the state. Wilson is hitting Boren hard from his left flank, but it's unlikely that's catching much traction in this conservative, though ancestrally Democratic, district. Wilson's own internal had him down 62-17. Boren isn't resting on his polling laurels though and has been on the airwaves; the question isn't whether he'll win, just by how much.

  • OK-02 (R): Boren's conservative voting record doesn't dissuade challengers; no fewer than six GOPers have stepped up to the plate. Three - Chester Falling, Charles Thompson and '08 loser Raymond Wickson - haven't needed to file FEC reports. Businessman Howard Houchen is the best funded of the three remaining (having a raised a whopping $70k...); rounding out the field are law student Dan Arnett ($9k raised) and rancher Daniel Edmonds ($23k). Given the sheer number of candidates here - none of whom are all that well known - a runoff is almost assured.

  • OK-05 (R): The field's crowded in the race to replace would-be Governor Mary Fallin as well. Two are familiar faces from the open seat race in 2006, doctor Johnny Roy (who scored 3% in 2006) and former State Rep. Kevin Calvey (10%). Other likely contenders include Christian camp director James Lankford, and a pair of State Reps, Mike Thompson of OKC and Shane Jett of more rural Pottawatomie County. A recent poll had Calvey at 28, Lankford at 20, Thompson 15, Jett at 6, and Roy at 2. That represents a surge for Lankford, but Thompson's $262k CoH (and $900k+ raised this cycle) can't be counted out. Two more round out the seven-man field, which will be narrowed to two before an almost-certain runoff.

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Wasn't
Askins leading big a couple of months ago???

"I think the American people misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush

No, but the polls were a lot closer
Askins was within single-digits in the prior Sooner polls. Dunno what happened, I guess she was outspent.

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Attorney
Generals are usually well liked among the electorate. And usually have an advantage in elections as long as they campaign unlike "cough" Jerry Brown "cough".

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Really?
Brown is doing O.K. in polls.  And I live in South Carolina, where AG McMaster went down in flames in the SC-Gov primary.

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I think ehstronghold meant the person who ran against a "Brown"
i.e. Martha Coakley

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

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Attorneys General
/pedantry (pedanticism?) off

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Edmonson
Has been AG for a long time, Askins has served just one term. Probably name rec and better fundraising connections.  

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What's Wilson's background?
I'm glad somebody is attempting to primary Boren, even if it is a thankless task.

Why a state rep, though? Normally it's am liberal activist who's never got elected to anything bigger than a town council, because all the major office-holders are as conservative as the one being primaried, or at least pretend so in the hope they'll inherit the seat some day.

Is Wilson actually a bona fide liberal, or does he just hate Dan Boren and feel he has no way to move up otherwise?


Challenging
Boren is just stupid. He's the only one who can win here. We need to challenge the Democrats who are in seats where populists/progressives could win. If we want to be a national party, we have to have some conservative Democrats.

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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Normally
Boren is the only one who can win. I'm rooting for Boren tonight, because the Republican field is too weak to beat Wilson.  

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It could be strategic

The U.S. Democratic Party is still a fusion of two mostly incompatible actual parties.  One is the post-1968/1972 ideologically based Modern liberal/Left/center Left coalition.  

The other is the remains of what the Democratic Party was for 150+ years before the realignment of 1968/1972- the pre-Modern caste/class based party of conservative farmers and agrarian small townspeople and urban blue collar labor mostly composed of unpopular ethnic groups, with a small high class elite.  This is the 'Old Democrats' or 'Southern Democrats' or 'conservative Democrats'

To characterize or stereotype the three Parties in their current condition: it's always roughly 1965-70 for conservative Democrats.  It's always 1968 or 1980-85 for Republicans.  For liberal Democrats it's generally 1995-2000.

The Party has been in transition between from one to the other for the past 50 years.  The conservative part of the Party was the dominant power through Jimmy Carter's presidency.  The 1980s were a struggle between the two.  When Bill Clinton got elected it had become a controlling minority.  It continues to shrink, of course.  Yet due to that history the conservative wing always has an excess of people high in the Party establishment and elected office relative to the split in the 'base'.  So there's running internal strife.  (In the UK the analogous factions are roughly Old Labour and the Liberal Democrats, with the Clinton era center Rightish moderates the equivalent of New Labour.)

Oklahoma- a state long defined by farming and far off from cosmopolitan areas- was until recently run by a conservative Democratic establishment.  In the last 10-15 years that establishment went from probably holding all elected offices and majorities in the state to losing them practically all to Republicans.  Oklahoma conservative Democrats lost their third-to-last foothold, majority in the state Senate, to Republicans in the 2008 elections.  With moderate Democratic governor Brad Henry term limited and Mary Fallin (Republican) expected to win the office this November, that's the second-to-last Democratic foothold on power lost.  That leaves Dan Boren as the last conservative Democrat in significant elected office in Oklahoma.

The writing is on the wall, as has been in many other states where this transition has happened, that Oklahoma Democrats will be obsolete as the conservative Democrat-based and -run organization they are.  They'll have to rebuild as the ideological left party and won't be generally competitive for 10 or 15 or 20 years.  If your and Oklahoma Democrat and accept that this is inevitable, the next step is to realize that any residual major conservative Democrats in high elected office are going to slow the collapse and probably slow the renewal and return to competitiveness by years.  

With that in mind it makes strategic sense to primary Boren.  He might lose, and to a liberal wing Democrat would that would not seem like much of a loss.  Boren might win, but the primary campaign would organize the left and the conservative Democratic voters in the district into two different organized groups for the future.  Boren might finally jump to the Republican Party, where's he's a better fit than in the Democratic caucus on Capitol Hill, leaving the ODP to its fate.

This election cycle looks like it will drastically reduce the number of conservative Democrats in elected office in general.  After the past three and a half years on Capitol Hill being frustrated by their conservatives, a lot of liberal Democrats are not going to shed a whole lot of tears for their demise.

On long term trend Democrats are reducing this internal split because the voters for one are vanishing.  Republicans were united by purging their liberals for many years, but it looks like they're starting to split into a static-in-time reactionary faction and a mobile-in-time pragmatic faction at present.  1968 split the Democratic Party; now that Democrats are closing in on one faction's victory it seems that 1968 is, ironically, splitting the Republican Party in a fairly similar fashion.


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Challenging Boren
is stupid. Like challenging Blanche Lincoln. Do liberals not get what is wrong with trying to knock of centrist with left-wingers in a RIGHT-WING area??????????

"I think the American people misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush

I'd say AR-Sen-D was different
since Arkansas might be receptive to Halter's populist message, and since polls showed that Halter had a better chance than Lincoln.

I don't know OK-02 well, but at least I'd estimate Dan Boren has the best chance of beating R's.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01


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You mean
Halter's big labor, big government, government takes over your health care message?

Wait, you also said populist, right??????

This is Arkansas. It took a ten point swing twoards McCain from Bush. I mean, seriously, what planet do you live on? Arkansas is not New York City. It is a economically and socially conservative southern state with a Democratic past. Have you ever been to Arkansas??? I am amazed Bill Halter made it as high as Lt. Gov. in Wal-Martopia.

What polls? Yo mean R2K's made-up nmbers???

BS.

Either one was cooked.

"I think the American people misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush


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Rasmussen, Mason-Dixon, PPP
It was unanimous. And that wasn't his message at all. The perversion you describe is nothing but right-wing propaganda.

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What's wrong with government helping the poor people?
You act like that's against the spirit of populism.

party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

[ Parent ]
You haven't been commenting very long, but you are already very close to getting banned.
Your methods of argumentation - which include hectoring, repeating right-wing talking points, and excessive use of punctuation - are not welcome here. You need to tone things down immediately. We also strongly suggest you sit back and read the comments for a while without posting anything, so that you can get a better feel for how discussions work here.

This is going to be your only warning.


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It is stupid in this case
Since only Boren can win. It wasn't stupid to challenge Lincoln who was and will lose anyway.

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Do we have anyone in OK-05?


party: Democratic, ideology: moderate, district: CT-01

Some Dudes
Billy Coyle, Tom Guild

We have Boren in OK-02, and a some dude in OK-03. OK-01 and OK-04 are not being challenged. (though in OK-01 there are 6 Republicans running to get rid of Sullivan)

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26


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I'm rooting for Mike Thompson (R) in OK-05
Just because of all the confusion it will cause with Mike Thompson (D) of CA-01

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08

Hahaha. Two Mike Rogers, too.
Michael D. Rogers of AL-03 and Michael J. Rogers of MI-08.

At least then, there's "Mr. Rogers of Alabama" and "Mr. Rogers of Michigan". There are also two "Mr. Miller of California"s, George in CA-07 and Gary in CA-42. The Sanchez sisters (both Ms.), are distinguished, I think, by that Linda uses an accent over the a, while Loretta doesn't.

I wonder what happens if two Congressmen have the same name from the same state, though? (Especially if they have the same middle initial?)


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I had the same thought!
I'm also rooting for Chester Falling in OK-02 (just for the primary) because that's a cool name and it goes well with Mary Fallin.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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It's a sad night for America
both Mike Thompson and Chester Falling lost.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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There are also primary challengers to Jim Sullivan (OK-01) and Tom Cole (OK-04).
Not likely to be successful, of course, but it will be interesting to see what the incumbents' margins of victory end up being.

OK Primary thread?
Where's the OK primary thread, with the AP link to follow the results?

Its not 7pm Central yet.
Im sure the guys here will put one up they have for every other primary i believe.

20, male, independent, WI-07.

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In two or three words...
what are the constituencies/values of the D-Gov candidates?


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