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SSP Daily Digest: 7/26 (Afternoon Edition)

by: Crisitunity

Mon Jul 26, 2010 at 4:18 PM EDT


CO-Sen: So since the last time we checked in, Ken Buck royally stepped in it not just once, but twice. First, he made the argument that voters should opt for him and not Jane Norton because "he doesn't wear high heels." (It was by way of arguing that, instead, he wears cowboy boots with actual bullshit on them, but the gender card was pretty clear. And Norton's response was easy to write, and was on the air almost instantaneously. It probably played at least something of a role in today's decision by Arizona governor Jan Brewer, amassing her own clutch of Mama Rattlesnakes, to extend an endorsement to Norton.) Then second, it came out over the weekend that on June 11, Buck was overheard referring to Tea Partiers (or at least the birthers among them) as "dumbasses." (Compounding the unforced nature of the error was that he was joking around with his Democratic tracker while saying it!) Buck was out with the inevitable apology to the teabaggers within the day. (Y'know, for a bunch of self-styled tough guys, they sure do get their feelings hurt easily.)

CT-Sen: Despite his blowing through a large chunk of his remaining cash on hand in a baffling ad urging people to vote in the Republican primary (although not specifically for him), Rob Simmons is still maintaining that he's not currently a candidate for the Senate. He considers his $350K ad buy as something like "public service announcements."

FL-Sen: Must be nice to have Jeff Greene's money! Concerned observers are a bit troubled by the close correlation between his hiring of DNC member Jon Ausman as a consultant, and his next-day endorsement of Greene's campaign. Greene has spent $6 million of his own money on the race so far, which apparently is a drop in the bucket for him, as he's been content to ignore a $1.87 million fine from the government of Belize that's outstanding against him, after he crashed his 145-foot yacht into a sensitive coral reef there.

IL-Sen: Continuing the boat-crashing theme, in case you've been living under a rock all weekend, the big news in Illinois is that Mark Kirk has gotten caught in yet another series of misrememberments, this time about his sailboat accident and subsequent Coast Guard rescue that supposedly got him devoted to public service. Turns out he at least got the being in a sailboat accident part right, but, unlike his own description of the events, he was rescued long before nightfall, he probably didn't swim for a mile because he was within half a mile of shore, and his core temperature certainly wasn't 82 because he would have lost consciousness long before getting to that point. Sensing a pattern here?

KY-Sen: Rand Paul is re-affirming that he supports Mitch McConnell. Well, sort of. During his Fancy Farm appearance this weekend, he said he's going to vote for McConnell for leader, but almost immediately afterwards, reduced that to not seeing a reason why he wouldn't vote for him. Observers also noted that, in his earlier sorta-support for McConnell, he was implicitly dissing Sharron Angle as unlikely to win, by way of saying that Jack Conway's first action would be to vote for Harry Reid for majority leader (something that, of course, wouldn't happen if Reid weren't to get re-elected).

NV-Sen: Sharron Angle's media policy can be summed up in one word: RUN! That's what she did when faced with questions from a six-months-pregnant reporter last week, who, in typical lamestream media fashion, insisted on asking some further questions after a three-minute speech of boilerplate on the estate tax. How presumptuous! Harry Reid got further good news, too, with the endorsement of Las Vegas mayor and relentless self-promoter Oscar Goodman, who called Reid "the man we go to get things done in the city." If there's one Nevadan having an even worse time than Angle, though, it's John Ensign; his one-time crony Tom Coburn just hung him out to dry, handing over e-mails from Ensign in the ongoing criminal investigation by the DOJ into l'affaire Hampton.

WV-Sen: With filing closed in West Virginia, there are eleven GOPers fighting in the primary for the right to oppose Joe Manchin in the Senate special election. Most prominent, of course, is businessman John Raese, who lost the 2006 Senate race to Robert Byrd and is also something of an archenemy to the Moore/Capito family. The only other noteworthy GOPer is Mac Warner, who already lost the WV-01 primary this year (and whose brother, Monty Warner, was the 2004 GOP gubernatorial nominee, losing badly to Manchin). Raese punctuated his entry with some ill-advised and outdated ethnic humor, comparing the Italian-American Manchin to Tony Soprano. The NRSC, probably not liking any of its options here (and having gotten burned by some of its earlier interventions), says it isn't getting involved in the primary.

CO-Gov: The rumor du jour last week was that the RGA was prepared to pull out of Colorado entirely -- and that was before this morning's confirmation that Tom Tancredo was going to jump into the race as an indie candidate in order to either leverage the GOP nomination or crash-land the whole operation. The RGA denied the rumors when they first came out, but the local GOPers working on the race are suddenly leaking e-mails that they're broke. And with Tancredo's bid today, suddenly his allies and core backers among the Tea Partiers are suddenly denouncing him, accusing him of being a likely spoiler, whether intentional or not. Bafflingly, Tancredo pushed back in the way most likely to rub them the wrong way, calling the teabaggers new members of the "establishment." Tancredo's getting some pushback from state party chair Dick Wadhams, too; TPM has audio of the literal screaming match between the two of them.

FL-Gov: You may remember state Sen. Paula Dockery, who was running a futile campaign against Bill McCollum in the GOP gubernatorial primary until dropping out after getting totally eclipsed by Rick Scott. Well, now she's teaming up with Scott; she's stopping somewhere short of endorsing him, but is joining him on his bus tour, saying she share similar stances on the issues. (She can't be angling for a Lt. Gov. slot, as Florida elects its LG separately, so what her angle is, I don't know. UPDATE: Actually, commenters have corrected me on Florida's LG procedure, wherein the nominees pick running mates, so, yes, it does sound like she's angling for LG.) Also, while it isn't exactly about the horse race, here's a fascinating (at least to me) piece of backstory about Democratic candidate Alex Sink. Her slightly Asian appearance is because she's 1/8th Thai, and her great-grandfather was a well-known celebrity in the early 1800s: circus performer Chang Bunker, one-half of the original so-called "Siamese Twins."

GA-Gov: Dueling (banjo) endorsements in the Georgia GOP gubernatorial runoff, and they seem to fit the overall media narratives about the two candidates. The suburbanized Karen Handel got Mitt Romney's endorsement, while the more hickory-smoked Nathan Deal got the backing of the NRA.

OK-Gov (pdf): There's one more poll of the primaries in Oklahoma (to be decided tomorrow night), from the Republican firm of Cole Hargrave Snodgrass & Associates, apparently on their own and not on anyone else's behalf. The results are pretty similar to this weekend's Sooner Poll: they see AG Drew Edmondson beating Lt. Gov. Jari Askins 38-27 on the Dem side, and Rep. Mary Fallin well ahead of state Sen. Randy Brogdon 50-22 on the GOP side. Askins did get one late-breaking endorsement, though, that's good as gold in this football-mad state: she got the backing of former OU and Dallas Cowboys head coach Barry Switzer. Switzer's backing is credited with helping Brad Henry win a come-from-behind victory in the 2002 Dem gubernatorial primary.

OH-St. House: Here's something you don't see every day: a local article about a competitive state legislative chamber where you don't get just platitudes about the closeness, but actual detail about the most competitive races. Democrats currently control the state House 53-46 after picking it up in 2008, and it could revert back to the GOP this year. The Democratic seats on defense that they list are scattered among Columbus, Cincinnati, and Cleveland suburbs, and Appalachian-flavored rural areas like Portsmouth and Zanesville.

OR-Init: Oregon stands out as the only west coast state that doesn't have an independent redistricting commission for state legislative seats. It looks like that's going to continue: a proposed initiative to create an independent commission of retired judges for redistricting didn't qualify for the ballot, after too many signatures turned out to be invalid. 2002 GOP governor candidate and bringer-of-the-crazy Kevin Mannix was the leader of the move, although he actually had some big money interests behind him this time (like Nike's Phil Knight).

Rasmussen:
AZ-Sen (R): John McCain (R-inc) 54%, J.D. Hayworth (R) 34%
ND-Sen: Tracy Potter (D) 22%, John Hoeven (R) 69%

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It appears
that John McCain's 10 million dollar spending spree has given him a strong lead.

As for GA-GOV, I think the NRA is far, far more valuable than Mitt Romney's. Have Eric Johnson and John Oxendine made endorsements yet? What about Sonny Perdue? Casey Cagle? I think Nathan Deal has the chance to become the establishment candidate.


Perdue
Has not publicly endorsed, but it is believed that he supported Handel in the primary. I'm thinking Johnson is going to endorse Handel and Oxedine will endorse Deal. Sounds almost like SC-Gov.  

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Not by a longshot
Handel certainly won't win by as large a margin as Nikki Haley, I'd put them at about even right now.  

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It still has similarities
If what I think will happen as far as endorsements does.  

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Still,
whichever nut the GOP puts up in Georgia, Roy Barnes appears to be the favorite as of now, not only because he avoided a runoff and can sit back and relax as these two GOPers bloody each other to death, moving so far to the right that Barnes will sweep the center, but because even good 'ol Rassy has shown this race to be very close already.

"I think the American people misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush

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Barnes "the favorite"??? Um, no, not even close. It's a tossup at best......
Rasmussen had Barnes down 49-43 to Deal and 45-44 to Handel, and their pattern of getting some races right and others way off with a GOP lean makes it hard to evaluate this particular poll without others to compare.  But no doubt at worst Barnes is in the game.

But that doesn't make him the favorite.  The GOP runoff won't necessarily leave the winner bloodied and damaged with the general electorate.  Sometimes that happens, sometimes it doesn't.  These runoffs happen all the time in Georgia and across the South, and you don't see every runoff winner damaged, not necessarily even in some of the more emotional battles.

And the anti-Democratic environment coupled with Georgia's strong conservative bent makes it a heavy lift for Barnes.

Barnes is going to have to thread a needle to pull it out.  He's helped greatly that he dominated the Democratic primary so handily and obviously pulled in a lot of black support with no apparent racial resentment for his defeat of Thurbert Baker.  He needs black turnout elevated--it won't be Obama-level, but it was elevated when Barnes won in 1998.

I'm hopeful on this one, Barnes has been much stronger than I imagined he'd be after having the "smell of defeat" from 2002.  But he still has a long way to go.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I think Rasmussen was off in that poll
Really just shows how partisan they are. When people say they have unusual post-primary bounces, they should correct themselves and say they have unusual primary bounces for Republicans in tough races. Their ridiculous 10 point lead for Republicans in the Generic Ballot has led to utterly and completely ignore any bit of tripe that pollster throws out there. Because Barnes got almost no bounce despite a massive, 65% victory sweep in his primary, with the Republican nominee still up in the air; all the rules of polling and political sense say that an accurate poll by Rasmussen should have shown him with a significant bounce as compared to their previous poll.

In any case, I hope that Deal will be the Republican candidate, because while I feel he is ahead right now, I think that's because he's more of a generic Republican right now to a lot of voters; voters he will not be doing so well with after Handel goes full fledged at him for corruption issues and he attacks her for being too moderate; in one swoop he weakens himself in the Georgia metro, and becomes the Republican candidate, severely weakened in all areas, against Barnes.

With him Barnes will have to put together a slightly different coalition; he needs to keep Gwinnett County Close, and win around 80% of the vote in DeKalb and Clayton, plus 70% in Fulton, while narrowly winning Cobb County, Douglas, Rockdale, and Jasper, and coming close in McHenry and Fayette. Rack up good sized margins in Athens, Augusta, and Savanna, then significantly improve Obama's vote total among the old Democratic coalition of rural south Georgia white voters as well as rural black voters. I see an opening; especially as I feel Georgia is long term a battle state with the southern Atlanta suburbs eventually becoming reliably Democratic, diverse, and fairly liberal.  


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GA's sort of on a TX path
Migration to Atlanta is so huge and the area is rapidly becoming blue that eventually, the metro area will dominate the state and make it hard for the GOP areas to overcome it.

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Well let me repeat what I just SAID about Rasmussen......
Not every Rasmussen poll has a GOP bias.  Some are right on the money, corroborated by other polling.  Many do, indeed, are skewed to the Republican by a significant margin compared to everybody else.  And once in awhile they actually show a Democratic bump, this year with fictitious primary bounces.  They had that for Creigh Deeds last year and for Elaine Marshall and I think Joe Sestak this year.

As an aside, ONLY RASMUSSEN has EVER demonstrated such a thing as a "primary bounce."  I don't recall any such thing discussed about polling before this year, nor do I recall any pollster EVER showing what could be called a "primary bounce" except for Rasmussen this year.  This is yet one more thing that exposes Rasmussen's failure as a reliable pollster.

But back to the main point, since once in awhile Rasmussen gets it right, I try to apply a "smell test" where no one else has tested a race, and in the case of GA-Gov, Rasmussen passes the smell test.  The small GOP leads seem credible, even though I don't know why Deal would fare better than Handel vs. Barnes.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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That's interesting, but I don't recall any such thing anecdotally......
Of course the ultimate primary bounce was Obama's NH primary polling post-Iowa, but that ended up proving that bounces are fiction, since it never materialized in actual voting.

Even Republican insiders in D.C. were expecting Obama to get a nomination bounce at the end of the primaries, but there was no such thing, at least not anything measurable that lasted.

I can't think of any primary that gave a candidate a general election bounce that proved lasting.  It didn't happen for Sharron Angle.  It hasn't happened for Rand Paul.  It hasn't happened for Elaine Marshall.

That study the WaPo blurb cited is nice, but I'd love to hear real-life examples.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Isn't "lasting bounce"
kind of an oxymoron?

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Deal's internals show a tie
What that may mean is that Handel is up at least 10 points if we go by the pattern this cycle with internal polling.

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Johnson endorsing Handel could give it to her.
I think it would be a tie if Johnson endorsed Deal adn oxendine endorsed Handel.  To me Johnson seemed to be best in the counties that Handel won and had the biggest population, so looking at geographic voting you'd think Johnson could deliver more votes, more easily to Handel than Deal.

Best thing Barnes could hope for would be a re-count, but I don't see that happening.


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I'm hoping they both end up
backing Deal.  

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FL-Lt Gov.
Paula Dockery might be angling for this job as Lt. Gov's candidates are chosen by the Gubernatorial candidates, not voters or state parties.  

I think this
Race was so nasty, a unity ticket will almost have to be formed. Scott doesn't have to pick McCollum, but he should pick a big McCollum supporter. Just browsing McCollum's endorsement page, AG Commissioner Charlie Bronson seems like a good choice. A statewide elected official who is retiring. State Sen. Nancy Detert would provide gender balance and she is also retiring this year, but she's also 66 years old. Hispanic state rep. Carlos Lopez-Cantera looks good because he's hispanic and young (36). Whats Lincoln Diaz-Balart planning for after this term?  

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Yep...
Not sure where y'all got your information, but the Florida Lite Gov is selected by the candidate. (Whether Dockery's gunning for the job is a good question, but it's quite possible.)

27, Democratic, IL-01

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Dick Wadhams
is a pretty funny name. Not as cool as, say, Gunner DeLay, but I like it.

NY-14, DC-AL (college) Distraught Mets fan

KY Senate -- A small correction
Rand Paul made his "I'll vote for McConnell.  Probably.  Maybe" statement somewhere, but it wasn't at the Fancy Farm picnic, as that's coming up in a couple of weeks.  This is the biggest political event of the year in Kentucky, and often produces headlines.  This is where Jim Bunning said he'd never return to because he and his wife were physically abused and he had "little green doctors pounding on my back," and last year where Jack Conway called himself "one tough son-of-a-bitch."  So who knows what Rand Paul will say -- I'm assuming he's going to attend.  But it really is a great event, and a very interactive, at times heckling crowd politicians have to address.

Generic ballot
Interesting. Dem lead pretty much holding up according to Gallup.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/141...

Obviously Rasmussen has the GOP leading by ten points.

http://www.rasmussenreports.co...

All in all I think the evidence continues to point to a small Republican advantage with likely voters.


I don't trust Rasmussen at all
when it comes to the generic ballot; they've had such an unusually huge and consistent weight towards Republicans; its been since July of 2009; when Democrats were much more popular, that they've even had a tie in the generic ballot according to Rasmussen. And for a large portion of their period they've had a significant Republican lead when most other pollsters, if not every other pollster showed a small to significant Democratic lead, (which has obviously narrowed now). Still, I  trust Gallup far more. Rasmussen is a partisan hack; pushing the narrative of the conservative, pro-business center-right America which is a load of bull.

[ Parent ]
In the future, someone may want to tell Boxer
to never talk about the military again.  She seems to get herself in trouble whenever she's talking about it.

Can you explain to me
Why conservatives get so upset over that comment? She asked a member of the military to refer to her as "Senator", correct? Well, so what? I sincerely don't get it unless there is come sort of macho thing going on. Please enlighten me.

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It is military
Protocol to call your superiors "sir" or "Ma'am"

[ Parent ]
Fair enough
But why is it such a big issue?

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It was disrespectful
To correct him when he was following military rules.  

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Seriously
You guys get steamed at the most silly minutiae. But whatever floats your boat I guess.

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Her way of doing it was very wrong
Boxer did it the wrong way.  She should have said it off the record and in a far friendlier way.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7

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I don't know,
I would have been offended had I been Boxer and someone had the impunity to call ma'am, regardless of who he was. It's the first thing we were taught as Pages when we were brought into the Senate, you ALWAYS say "Senator" so and so, it is insulting to do otherwise, and anyone with experience should know this, and I expect the General did know better, and I daresay he would have said Senator to a man, rather than Sir, he just didn't think to do the same with woman.  

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No offense
But a page doesn't exactly have the status of a general. If anyone should have been offended, it should have been him. He was following military rules for dealing with senators, which is to call them sir or ma'am. If it had been a male senator, he would have called him sir. So yes, the general knew better. He knew better than Boxer that he appropriate title is ma'am.  

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Do
not get me wrong you are right but honestly if Boxer wants to be called Senator why should it be a big deal? I did not think she was rude about it, she just politely asked him to address her as Senator. She did not try to make him look foolish or anything. It probably was not the best idea but the way I see it is she should be called whatever the hell she wants to be called. There is nothing wrong about making a simple request. Just my view though, everyone has their own opinion.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Were you in the military?
Were you instructed to call U.S. Senators Sir or madam? No offense, but I've watched hearings before and other Generals knew well enough to address a Senator as "Senator [insert name]", particularly if they were addressing a man.

What's more, as southerner you shouldn't be so culturally inclusive as to assume that Americans everywhere are familiar and okay with being called ma'am. I had a friend who moved to Connecticut, opened a door for a young lady and said "After you ma'am" and got slapped because the woman thought he was patronizing her. As another commenter said above, in many places it is a term reserved for much older women, and does not imply positive things, and so obviously many women in other parts of the country do not care to be referred to as "Ma'am" and beyond anything in this stupid debate it was Boxer's right to correct him and tell him how she wished to be addressed, (and she was telling him how it is proper to address a Senator, at least in the U.S. Capitol Building, which is their turf, not his).  


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No
But I know how to read. And sorry for being from an area where being a gentleman is actually a good thing :P

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You forget I am also
unfortunately from Louisiana.  

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superior
So a U.S. congressperson, either house, is considered superior to a soldier or officer?  Not just the Commander in Chief?

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My thought exactly, the rule GOPVoter cites makes no sense......
Boxer is nowhere in the chain of command.

And in this day and age it's rude to call any woman "ma'am" who isn't truly elderly.  It's obviously inappropriate for young women, and once women even come remotely close to middle-aged they get sensitive about their age and "ma'am" is deflating.  Yes I realize some people will say "that's sexist!" for me to say that, but any of you who thinks that obviously isn't married.  I am.  You'll come to agree with me when you are, too.

"Senator" seems the appropriate way to address a Senator, military and civilian alike.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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In the US South
all women of say 21 and over are properly referred to as "Ma'am" (all men of a similar age are properly referred to as "Sir")

Younger women may be referred to as "Miss"

I realize that the standards are different outside of the US south. And if you've ever talked to someone who travels outside of the US south, it's only then that they realize what you say, that "Ma'am" is appropriate only for those women of retirement age.


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Doesn't have to be in chain of command
Its anyone in power. He is testifying to her, she is superior.  

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Also
Boxer, at 69, is elderly.  

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In this day and age, ma'am is the standard
Where on earth is there one place it is remotely rude for a waiter to say "what would you like Ma'am?"

WTF should he have called a woman?  Ma'am and Sir are standard usage.  Senator may have been better, but going on in him for saying Ma'am was just extremely rude of her.


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I'm guessing user GeneralHospital is referring to
something that (AFAIK) hasn't even been aired in the mainstream media, this http://dailycaller.com/2010/07...

Nevertheless, it does appear that Senator Boxer has violated the political correctness enforced by American conservatives with the noted comment.

And I do not see how the comment hurts her in CA; pro-military conservatives in CA I'd think are already maxed out against Boxer. (Probably) end of story.


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It also goes against the general civilian

etiquette that a man uses the title or appellation that a woman asks/tells him to use, so long as it's justified.

The military guidelines are guides only outside the military ranks.


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And
what does that have to do with this digest exactly? There's no CA-SEN entry mentioned here.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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Is it irregular
to comment on a race not actually covered in the digest on a digest thread, as opposed to an open thread? I thought these things were pretty much laissez-faire.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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Idk
I guess you're right. This comment just sounded like it came out of nowhere.  

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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IL-Sen
I'm starting to think that all this dirt on Kirk must be coming from a concerted effort by the Giannoulias campaign. I mean, it's not like Kirk hasn't been in a competitive election before that would have drawn media attention. Do we have a young Harry Reid on our hands with Alexi?

Some Dude, 19, Democrat, NH-02 (residence), MA-08 (college)

Reminds me of the Dan Coats rollout
Only the drip, drip is hurting Kirk more. Shame really that the Coats stuff all came out at once.

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Kirk and Giannoulias
are both disgusting. Resume inflation on one side and shady bank deals for the other. If only Illinois had a "None of these" option...

"I think the American people misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush

[ Parent ]
What shady deals?
All Giannoulias did what run a bank that failed a couple years after he quit. There were no "shady deals" going on.  

[ Parent ]
Loaning money to
Convicted mobsters isn't shady?  

[ Parent ]
You mean Rezko?
Those loans were made before any investigation or knowledge of wrongdoing by Rezko. And the loans weren't made by Alexi himself, it was another person working with the bank (at least according to wikipedia)

[ Parent ]
Perhaps, but
... how much would you be willing to stake on this guy's ethical reputation?  I'm afraid there is more to come out, and I'm not sure which would be worse -- right before the election, or after he won?

[ Parent ]
If Kirk had anything
He would be using it to counter his own problems. The dodgy loans were covered in his Treasurers race and the only follow-up this cycle was the bank going under after he left. Dems are stuck with Alexi and thankfully I think he'll be alright. Just.

[ Parent ]
Agree, I increasingly suspect the bank "scandal" is much ado about nothing......
Giannoulias already has taken an outsized hit in personal reputation from this, and to a significant extent that's understandable, there's obviously a "smell" of impropriety that even many partisan Democratic SSPers buy into.

But ultimately the damage won't last if another shoe doesn't drop, and there's no sign of any shoe dropping.  The bank was a failed business, nothing more.  And "loans to mobsters" strikes me as hyperbole, I imagine you can probably find mobsters getting loans from all kinds of banks.  They're consumers, after all, patronizing all kinds of commercial institutions.

I keep waiting for something more bad to happen to Alexi, but I'm increasingly skeptical there will be anything more.  And if there isn't, he's going to recover, assuming he otherwise runs a good campaign.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Plus
this is Illinois. Corruption is a bipartisan thing down there. Which state is more corrupt? Illinois or Louisiana? (Sorry GOPVOTER)

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
To the extent you're implying IL voters are desensitized and shrug it off, I don't think so......
I think IL voters are disgusted by it and frustrated this crap keeps happening over and over and over again.  I think they're thinking, "what the hell did we do to deserve this?...and it's both parties, we can't escape it!"

So I don't think Giannoulias benefits from any kind of desensitization.  Indeed, if it wasn't for the "smell" of impropriety around his family's bank, he'd by up by 15-20 points right now in light of Kirk's disastrous campaign.  That it's a dead heat reflects Alexi's troubles as much as Kirk's.

But like I said, what's out there hasn't been enough to sink Alexi.  He still IS in a dead heat, and his troubles have a kind of political "expiration date" in that if nothing more happens, it's hard to see voters putting a nail in his coffin.  In contrast, Kirk's chronic dishonesty about his own biography is the kind of thing that leaves a permanent mark.  Giannoulias can plausibly claim he never did anything wrong morally or legally or ethically, without anyone being able to point to a silver bullet to contradict him; Kirk can't do that.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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I dunno
from my time in IL, I get the impression that the corruption there is seen like it is in RI. We joke about our corruption all the time in RI, and openly admit that Buddy Cianci could probably get elected Mayor of Providence again (much like how GOPVOTER describes Edwin Edwards below). It certainly has an impact but it can't sink a campaign until it gets to Blagojevich levels.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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[ Parent ]
Yeah
I mean, if people do good for the people they serve voters are willing to overlook a little corruption.  

[ Parent ]
It's Just That...
...personal corruption alone isn't ENOUGH to disqualify you in IL. The Daleys are assumed to be corrupt, and Thompson and Edgar and their share of scandals, but they all survived. However, Corruption combined with bad management or a grating personality (Blagojevich) or an ideological mis-match (Ryan, any of the Ryans, really) will sink you (Although it's worth noting George Ryan's kind of corruption had a body count attached to it, which is kind of a whole new dimension.)

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NY!!!!
Take a look at the NYS Senate. The Dems who just took over turned out to be just as crooked as the GOP who lost power.

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[ Parent ]
No need to apoligize
I talk about LA's corruption too. I think a good measure is that only 1 former LA governor is in jail, and we have 1 former congressman on his way there. How many does IL have? I know we are both pretty bad, but lately, IL is worse.  

[ Parent ]
And hopefully Edwin Edwards
will get pardoned. They shouldn't be keeping that old man in jail. With everything said and done he was probably a better Governor than Foster, Treen, Blanco, and the other party-switcher, whose name absolutely eludes me right now. And he's much loved by many voters still, especially older voters in South Louisiana.

As my grandfather, who was a news reporter/commentator for a central Louisiana radio station for many years, (and also claims a small amount of credit for lampooning Susan Hitch-Terrell in 2002, and getting Rodney Alexander elected by helping him carry Rapides Parish, the parish where he had the highest ratings), always says, "Mike Foster wasn't corrupt, he was just a dumbass." And indeed he was; sitting in South Louisiana not doing much of anything while other states like Mississippi and Alabama brought in foreign investments, including two major multi-billion dollar auto manufacturing plants; that in both cases also considered Louisiana before being won over by the aggressive lobbying of those states Governors.  


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He'll be out
In 2011. Too late for a pardon. I agree though. He was probably one of the best governor's LA had. He was a crook, but he didn't try to hide the fact. You knew he was corrupt when you voted for him, but you still did. This is coming from a Conservative, praising one of LA's most liberal govs. If he ran for gov in 2011, he'd win again.  

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Edwards got stuff done
particularly in the traditionally neglected cajun areas; which for the most part had been treated as, and excuse my language here, "white niggers" as was the term some Northern Anglo-Saxon Protestants had them, coonass, (a term my family like many cajun families now uses affectionately kind of like black people have done with some of the slurs directed at them), was another derogatory term. The fact these people were culturally assaulted and at the bottom of the totem pole really accounts for the unusually, (even by the deep south's standards), virulent and nasty racism there. I grew up on stories about my Great uncle and Grandfather going and beating up Indians in the 1950s. Lots of unpleasant stuff like that around there.

But back to the point, Edwards was one of them, and he got a lot of improvements done. And he was the most straightforward and honest crook in politics; which in many ways is more refreshing than if he'd been a faux, clean politician.  


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Really
Bobby Jindal getting beat by an eighty year old man who has spent the last decade in prison? Now that would be an embarrassing loss.    

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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You don't know
How popular Edwards is here. He's like God.  

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So
should we (Democrats) be rooting for him to run then? Just to clarify you are telling me that he would definitely beat Jindal?  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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lol it wouldn't happen
But Edwin Edwards is God. Republicans even love him because he began the rise of the Republican party by creating the jungle primary system that has benefited them for so long.

He did a lot of things though, like he reformed Louisiana's constitution, standardizing and condensing hundreds of corrupt departments and agencies into a cabinet more similar to other states. He was Louisiana's first Roman Catholic Governor of the 20th Century, and also it's first Cajun, (he is bilingual, speaking both English and Cajun French).

What's more he presided over booming times and helped build the cornerstone of all Louisiana's modern industries, particularly energy and oil. He had big budget surpluses, increased funding to higher education, and was the first governor to appoint large numbers of women and blacks into state government.

Plus you have to love the man's candor: "When questioned about receiving illegal campaign contributions, he replied that "It was illegal for them to give, but not for me to receive.""

It's simply impossible to hate Edwin Edwards:

"The only way I can lose this election is if I'm caught in bed with either a dead girl or a live boy". Edwards zinged Treen many times, once describing Treen as "so slow it takes him an hour and a half to watch 60 Minutes

Although Edwards won the 1983 election in a 62 percent landslide, effectively ending Treen's political career, former Governor Treen has since spoken out against his former opponent's incarceration.

Then Shreveport Journal editor Stanley R. Tiner reported after the campaign of 1983 that Edwards disbelieves in the resurrection of Jesus Christ and does not personally expect to go to heaven. There was an uproar in conservative religious circles, but the comments did not stop Edwards from finishing his term or winning a fourth election eight years thereafter.

After his 1983 victory, Edwards took some six hundred supporters on an eight-day tour of France and Belgium, including dinner at Versailles and gambling in Monte Carlo. Each paid $10,000. Edwards expected a 70 percent profit on the contributors' tickets to retire a whopping $4.2 million campaign debt. Campaign style bumper stickers were printed that were distributed to those who contributed to the retirement of this campaign debt that were seen on vehicles in Louisiana for years afterward that read, in hi blue and gold campaign colors, "I did Paris with the Gov."

I love it, Edwards is the quintessential cajun, and even the most radically conservative teabagger Cajuns still love him and respect him as a monument to their culture. You have to understand how amazing his 1983 victory was; Treen had a 70% approval rating and still got crushed, destroyed by a man who openly flaunted his corruption.

Then after standing trial and getting thrashed in 87, and he came back and had this happen:

Faced with the alternative of Duke, many who were otherwise lukewarm for Edwards found him looking ever better. Edwards found himself receiving endorsements from both Treen and Roemer; even Republican President Bush urged that Edwards, the Democrat, was a better choice than Duke, a putative Republican. A very popular bumpersticker urging support for Edwards (although clearly not produced by his campaign) read "Vote For the Crook. It's Important."[8][9]  Another read "Vote for the Lizard, not the Wizard." Edwards said that this would be his final term as governor and that he cared about leaving a good legacy, which made many hope that the corruption of his previous administrations would not be repeated. Edwards won by a wide margin. Continuing his artful use of humor to deflate an opponent, and referring to his considerable reputation as a Lothario, Edwards said of Duke, "The only thing we have in common is that we both have been wizards beneath the sheets." On Election Day, Edwards defeated Duke in a landslide, 61% to
39%, a margin of nearly 400,000 votes.

Edwin Edwards is so funny that Colbert has nothing on him. He'll be 84 in 2011 though, too bad.

People have such fond memories, people who grew up as children listening to Edwards' cajun drawl reading The Cajun Night Before Christmas on TV in December. He is an institution.


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That is incredible!
And a funny thing, as a kid in California, I read Cajun Night Before Christmas and tried saying the words out loud. I sounded awkward and weird reading the book out loud. I would have loved to hear Edwards read it.

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As this blogger put it:
Edwin Edwards is still loved all over South Louisiana to this day. Even if tomorrow's paper said that Edwin edwards just blew a hole in the levy and flooded New Orleans again, he would probably be elected as our governor again. Like it or not, Edwin Edwards is a legend!

There's also an old joke that Louisiana sold its old voting machines to Mexico and in the first election Edwin Edwards won in a landslide.

I can't find any audio of Edwin Edwards reading "A Cajun Night Before Christ, but here is another version, maybe you'll like it too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...


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I love Cajun accents
I wish I had a strong one. I have a weird mix between a Cajun, New York, and country accent. My dad's side is country, my mom's side is Cajun. My mom and her parents grew up in New Orleans, so we ended up with New York accents too. I love hearing Cajun people talk. I like seeing Jeff Landry's TV ad (LA-03 candidate, GREAT accent!)  

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And I liked hearing Tee Jules' voice
in the Cajun Night Before Christmas video jwaalk found. I hadn't really heard anyone speaking with Cajun accents before, except maybe when I was in New Orleans for New Year's 2002/3, so it was very cool to hear one.

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If he runs
I think Jindal runs for president. And I think it would be a very nasty race between the two and Edwards would win in the end.  

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Partisan Dems Should...
...get more willing to support Giannoulias for one big reason: when he's running scared, he runs to the left. Since he announced, he's staked out the liberal position on the public option, financial reform, gay marriage, etc. Granted, IL is one of the few states that gives you a left lane to run in, but I still want to encourage this kind of behavior.

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If he get his shit together
He can be a very progressive voice in the Senate for a very long time.

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This all strikes me as "he knows a guy who knows a guy who's a crook"
There's no real reason to assume that anything he specifically did was either unethical or illegal. Honestly, the worst thing I've heard about him is that he had a stake in a bank that eventually went under (during a time when a lot of banks were going under) and that his bank, when he was no longer there, made a loan to a guy who was convicted of a crime.

The whole think reeks of guilt by association with no corroborating evidence to suggest he did anything wrong, and I think there have been a lot of people on our side who are way too quick to jump on that bandwagon.

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[ Parent ]
Agree totally, thanks, you said it better than I did. (nm)
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43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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Exactly
Couldn't have said it better myself.

"I think the American people misunderestimated me." -George W. Bush

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MD-Gov
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.co...

O'Malley 45
Ehrlick 42

Obama approval: 51%


Ick, 51% in Maryland?!
I'm just pleased the GOP couldn't recruit anyone decent to face Mikulski.

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Like who?
Steele? They never recruited anybody because nobody would have beaten her.

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Identical to PPP a couple weeks ago, also 45-42 O'Malley. One difference...
...was that PPP had O'Malley's job approval at 42-43, with a whopping 16% undecided.  Gonzalez has 48% approval, but the link doesn't say what his disapproval was or how many undecided/no opinion.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

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PPP lies!
They didn't even bother polling the congressional races, something they said they'd do in NH if they had enough respondents. They didn't even ask it. :(  

I thought they did ask it
But didn't have enough respondents for a MoE? But the data showed NV-03 a tossup and the others safe.

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NH
Thats what happened in NV. In NH, they said they'd ask and report it if they had enough respondents, but they didn't bother to ask.  

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Which link are you referencing?


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It was in the comments
https://www.blogger.com/commen...
See the 4th comment, by Dustin Ingalls.  

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Dunno then
Seems a little odd if they said they would.

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They
know they are not exactly spot on with congressional districts so they do not poll them as much.  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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FL-Gov
I think somebody mentioned before that Chang Bunker was actually of Chinese descent but lived in Thailand.

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That was me
  I am a bit of a Twins fan (not just the Joe Mauer kind of Twins). Both Chang and Eng (sometimes spelled Ng) are fairly common Chinese names, seen more often as family names. I was surprised that Sink is only Chang's great granddaughter; it seemed likely that there were more generations in between but maybe she is descended from one of their younger children. She was named after her great grandmother Adelaide, who was Chang's wife. I don't know how you get "Alex" from that name except they both start with the letter A.

  Weird Conjoined Twin Trivia: The most famous female conjoined twins, Violet and Daisy Hilton (stars of the movie Freaks) also lived in North Carolina in their final years. They were originally from England and also lived in Texas.

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28


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Won 19-1 tonight
Go Twins!  (Im finally going to have enough money to go the new stadium before the season is over.  Cannot wait for that.)

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Chinese names where?
I don't think I've ever met someone named Chang or Eng (although I have met someone surnamed Chang), and Eng's not even in pinyin. it sounds more like Hokkien or Cantonese to me.

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Yes, Cantonese
Eng/Ng=Wang. Chang, though, is simply the Wade-Giles spelling of Pinyin Zhang.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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oh, ok,
yes, Wang is definitely the #1 most common surname here, with Zhang maybe #3 behind Li.

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please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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there is a CA state Assemblymember named
   Mike Eng. He represents some of the more Asian parts of the San Gabriel Valley and is the husband of Representative Judy Chu. Chu preceded him in the Assembly; he won the seat when she was termed out.

  Chinese-American names have very inconsistent spelling and pronunciation. I still can't get used to the new congresscritter from HI who spells his name Djou, which should either be Zhou (pinyin) or Chou (Wade-Gilles). In CA we have our excellent state Controller, John Chiang, who says his name like "Chung" rather than "Jiang". Hey we are all Americans and can misspell/mispronounce our names however we want!

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28


[ Parent ]
Yeah, since
people from Guangdong and Taiwan came to America before people from mainland China, it doesn't seem like there are that many people with pinyin last names.

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please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Guangdong is on the mainland
The largest early immigration to the U.S. and various other countries from China was from Guangdong, often specifically Tai Shan.

"I'm not a member of any organized political party, I'm a Democrat!"
--  Will Rogers  


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you're right,
since Hong Kong is not on the mainland and I automatically associate Guangdong with Hong Kong, I thought it was largely off the mainland as well, but Wikipedia proves you right. Nevertheless, Guangdong, like Hong Kong and unlike most of mainland China, is predominantly Cantonese-speaking, so immigrants from Guangdong don't have pinyin names.

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please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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you're right,
since Hong Kong is not on the mainland and I automatically associate Guangdong with Hong Kong, I thought it was largely off the mainland as well, but Wikipedia proves you right. Nevertheless, Guangdong, like Hong Kong and unlike most of mainland China, is predominantly Cantonese-speaking, so immigrants from Guangdong don't have pinyin names.

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please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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We might have discussed this before
But Djou != Zhu?

Cantonese is not a mispronunciation, though. When the Kuomintang overthrew the Qing Emperor and proclaimed the Republic of China, Cantonese lost to Mandarin as the official language (dialect, if you like) of China by a single vote, I understand.

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[ Parent ]
According to Wikipedia
Djou is a French transliteration of Zhou.

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Redistricting
Is 450 people over the recommended # too much? Someone in the open thread said they didn't think so. I wanna get some more opinions though.  

I doubt it
Whenever I make maps on DRA, I always try to keep it under 1,000. But I don't think the need for districts to have equal numbers of people is that strict. Some of the districts in the New York State Senate are ridiculously-lopsided, for example.

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Thanks
Thats what I figured.  

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I don't think so...
If you are talking about Federal Congressional Districts, they have to be EXACT (one man, one vote). Now maybe they can be off by a few (as in you can't divide a person into fractions), but I'm pretty sure it has to be exactly equal. When we at SSP are making districts, it obviously doesn't matter since it's all within MoE (of population growth, etc) and the blocks we are working with are less fine-tune than what will actually be used. If you are talking about state legislature districts they can have deviation based of local law. In NY it is +/-5%.  

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I mean for making a map
And since my map is totally unrealistic (its crazy so far!) it doesn't really matter. The population is also totally off for the 2010 census, as each district needs like 744k people, which is way high.  

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one thing that's always bugged me
is that the population growth is based off of counties and then used one overall growth for individual cities, instead of as a variable based off how fast a city is actually growing.  No way to get that accurately, at all, so Im quite excited to see what he get's whipped out once the census is done.

We're all gonna have a crazy good time.  Speaking of which, when's the next Redistricting Contest?  It's been 7 months!  And I didnt do the last one because I found NY a snooze because there wasn't much left to do, and Im excited to see what we can come up with for CA and TX.  Bill White and CA state legislature pay attention!


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7 months!
Damn time flies. I think we should have a Delaware redistricting contest.  

[ Parent ]
yeah right! LOL...
   Make it an Alaska contest and you have more room to draw the nonexistent lines...

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28

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Yup
and that is part of the problem with the NY St Sen districts as they stand.  I'd imagine it will be corrected in this next statewide senate re-districting.

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Actually it depends
I was actually looking into that this weekend. In 2000 redistricting, there were a few plans where the population was off by 1--yes, that's right--1 person off from the ideal population. Basically, it seems that if your plan can be beaten by another plan that gets even closer to ideal population, the closer-to-ideal plan will be upheld and the other struck down. Here's a list of deviations from the 2000 round:
http://www.senate.leg.state.mn...

Here's some factoids, from http://www.senate.leg.state.mn...

The standard for congressional plans is strict equality.  In the 1964 case of Wesberry v. Sanders, 376 U.S. 1, the U.S. Supreme Court articulated that standard as "as nearly equal in population as practicable."
Notice the choice of words.  The Court did not say "as nearly equal as practical."   The American Heritage Dictionary defines "practicable" as "capable of being . . . done . . . ."  It notes that something "practical" is not only capable of being done, but "also sensible and worthwhile."
It illustrates the difference between the two by pointing out that "It might be practicable to transport children to school by balloon, but it would not be practical."
In 1983, in Karcher v. Daggett, 462 U.S. 725, the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a congressional redistricting plan drawn by the New Jersey Legislature that had an overall range of less than one percent.  To be precise, .6984 percent, or 3,674 people.  The plaintiffs showed that at least one other plan before the Legislature had an overall range less than the plan enacted by the Legislature, thus carrying their burden of proving that the population differences could have been reduced or eliminated by a good-faith effort to draw districts of equal population.
In the 1980s, three-judge federal courts drawing their own redistricting plans achieved near mathematical equality.  For example, in Minnesota the court-drawn plan had an overall range of 46 people (.0145 percent), LaComb v. Growe, 541 F. Supp. 145 (D. Minn. 1982) aff'd mem. sub nom. Orwoll v. LaComb, 456 U.S. 966 (1982) (Appendix A, unpublished) (In its opinion, the Court tells only the sum of all the deviations, 76 people, and refers to it as the "total population deviation"), and in Colorado the court-drawn plan had an overall range of ten people (.0020 percent), Carstens v. Lamm, 543 F. Supp. 68, 99 (D. Colo. 1982).  
With the improvements in the census and in the computer technology used to draw redistricting plans after the 1990 census, the degree of population equality that was "practicable" was even greater than that achieved in the 1980s.


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[ Parent ]
NRSC Buys Air time in CA
http://www.google.com/hostedne...
I'm guessing they were scared Whitman would buy it all up before they could.  

Ad time
I did not know that anything else was on tv in California between now and November.  I heard that every channel has Meg Whitman running 24/7.

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[ Parent ]
Accordingq
to the guys that were running the campaign to beat the anti AB-32 proposition said Whitman bought up most of the ad time on October. But at the same time $1.75 million is a drop in the bucket here in California. But if its just for the last week of the campaign I guess its enough.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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CA-Sen: $1.75M NRSCC anti-Boxer ad blitz waiting in the wings
1.75 million
Thats not really too much in CA is it?  

[ Parent ]
I suppose its about the equivalent
of buying 100k worth of ads in Louisiana, lol.  

[ Parent ]
1.75 million
Thats not really too much in CA is it?  

[ Parent ]
maybe a week's worth of ads with moderate penetration
  The money goes a lot farther depending on where the ads are running. You could blanket smaller markets like Bakersfield, Fresno, Redding, Eureka, or Monterey but you run out real fast in LA/OC, the SF Bay Area or San Diego.  

52, male, disgruntled Democrat, CA-28

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Letdowns
J.D. Hayworth may be this year's biggest letdown.  There was so much hype that he'd take down McCain, but now McCain is crushing him.  Maybe because the TV scam scandal shot Hayworth down.  If only that scandal had broken after Hayworth won the primary, to doom him in the general.

Similarly, I'm unhappy that Buck's gaffes are happening now, before the CO-Sen primary.  It would've been great if Buck had won the primary and then the gaffes kill him.  I'm afraid now that Norton will win, and she'll be a strong candidate in the general.


McCain
vaporized Hayworth using his big warchest in the beginning. No way to gain traction if $10 million dollars of ads are raining down on you before you can respond. The TV scam was just the final nail in the coffin.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

[ Parent ]
Money = Power
I just hope that Jerry Brown and Lee Fisher and Alexi Giannoulias can beat the big money bags they're facing off.

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I know :(
Winning AZ would have been the cherry on top of tea-bag related fuck-ups.

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Wow. New SurveyUSA Poll New Mexico CD-1 results
Jon Barela (R) - 51%
Martin Heinrich (D) - 45%

http://www.kob.com/article/sto...


Thanks, same link says Heinrich responded by revealing own internal showing 53-41 lead over Barela......
Heinrich didn't hesitate, the TV station who commissioned the SUSA poll called hiis campaign for reaction, and they immediately turned over their own poll result.  Pretty good pushback.

I have no idea whether to trust SUSA on these House polls.  I don't remember SUSA doing so many House polls in the previous couple cycles, they seem to be getting hired to do more now.  House polling is notoriously difficult, and SUSA doesn't have a large sample size for testing the accuracy of theirs, although there's been plenty of info here showing they nailed VA-09 in a previous cycle and also showed Perriello's surge toward the end of 2008, and of course they nailed Garamendi's modest 10-point win in the California special last year.  So their track record isn't bad for what little I remember of their House polling.

Internal polling is the best out there, but of course what's released publicly generally isn't so trustworthy.  But at least Heinrich answered right away with his numbers, and from a very short time ago (July 8-13 sampling), so he already had something out there and put it out fast.

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I live in Heinrich's district (in Albuquerque) and I call bs on this poll
Looks like SUSA hasn't released their cross-tabs yet so I can't really speak about it, but Heinrich has been an uncontroversial representative and has had his name out in the district in all of the right ways (plus, Barela isn't exactly a top-tier challenger).

That said, Barela's path to victory is to keep it close in Albuquerque and rack up large margins in the outlying counties (which is exactly how Heather Wilson beat Patricia Madrid in 2006).

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[ Parent ]
Judging by the quality of internal polls this cycle
Melancon showing him leading Vitter, Tarkanian claiming a tie on election eve with Angle, and Grayson claiming a tie with Paul on election eve, it certainly seems that this is a tight race.  It's almost incredible to me that some would trust internal polling over a pollster that has no reputation issues.

Nate Silver may want to update his "internal polls are usually 5 points too favorable" theory because we've seen a lot of whoppers from publicly released internal polling.  Take the Deal/handel race for example.  Deal's internals show him up 1.  I have great confidence that Handel is up at least 10 points.


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A few things
1. Primaries are much more unpredictable than general elections, it's really not unusual for them to be pretty far off.

2. Tarkanian and Grayson were showing polling that was comical (although, that's the first I've heard of either of those) and the election between Melancon and Vitter hasn't happened yet (though I would tend to agree that there's no way Melancon is that close to ole' Diaper Dave, much as I'd like it).

3. House races are notorious for being hard to poll, so it's not completely out of line to be skeptical of any polls of House districts.

4. I live in NM-01, I believe that Heinrich's numbers are closer to reality than SUSA's because it tracks a lot closer to what I know about this area.

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Barela
I know Rothenberg was talking him up as a really good candidate because of his appeal to independents, Dems, and Hispanics from his time at the Hispanic chamber of commerce. Since you liver there, I have two questions. 1. How well known is he from being the Hispanic CoC pres and 2. do you believe that his appeal to indys and dems is really that great?

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To answer your questions:
1. Not that well known, as that's the first I've ever heard of him being a former Hispanic Chamber of Commerce head.

2. I think the NM GOP did themselves a big favor nominating both Martinez and Barela, if for no other reason, for the reason that it should keep them from being totally blown out with the Hispanic vote (New Mexico has a much more politically active Hispanic vote than other places, all else being equal, they will make up at least 30% of the vote statewide, and roughly 30%-35% of the CD-01 vote). That said, I think that's a bit of hyperbole on Rothenberg's part (seems like Rothenberg is stealing words from Barela's campaign).

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Rothenberg is enamored
With anybody who deems him worthy of an interview. In terms of Heinrich, taking both polls together, I'd say he is probably under 50% with a small lead. The caveat with many of these polls is the fact Republicans are doing so well when nobody knows who they are. I imagine that will change when the Democratic financial advantage (both candidate and committee) starts to kick in.

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More young voters weirdness
How is it even humanly possible for a Republican to lead by 6% overall, but also lead among young voters?

There have been enough of these Survey USA polls showing Reps leading among young voters in a way contrary to all previous elections to be skeptical of SUSA.


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MA-Gov: another pretty good (Rasmussen!) poll for Deval Patrick......
Rassy is trying hard to dial down Patrick's numbers, now having him winning the 3-way over Baker and Cahill 38-32-17.

And yet, Rasmussen has Patrick at 51-48 favorability and even right-side-up job approval at 50-49!

The poll understates Patrick's non-white support, with only 57% of black voters supporting the state's first black Governor, and 21%(!) supporting Baker.  And "other" minorities supposedly are 36-33 for Baker.  White voters are virtually the same as the topline, with Patrick holding a 38-33 edge over Baker.

Really, Patrick is well-positioned for victory.  It will be a tough slog, but if he's favorables and job approvals really are orbiting 50, he wins a 3-way comfortably.  And that will be amazing considering he looked dead in the water for so long until Cahill jumped in.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


Are
there any other categories besides white/black/other?  

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

[ Parent ]
Nope. Even in strongly Hispanic states with many fewer blacks, Ras polls "white/black/other." (nm)
nm

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
I suspect Patrick and Cahill
have a deal.  As long as Cahill absorbs between 10 and 20% of the vote it's practically impossible for Baker to win.

There's a solid 44% vote in the state for serious and liberal Democrats, i.e. Patrick.  Then there's a fluffy 11% that usually sides Democratic but needs to be persuaded.

That leaves 45%.  Cahill is pretty much targeting the 'blocking' 10% that voted for Christie Mihos in '06.  If he hang on to those Baker is stuck with the straight Republican ceiling, the 35% that voted for Kerry Healy.

The state population is stagnant and net aging; a good chunk of the young people leave because there's no economic growth outside biotech.  As a result there's no real partisan shift due to demographics: it's all kind of hovering in place.  There isn't any fresh group of people seriously trying to get into and move up in the political establishment since gay people did around the time of the gay marriage kerfuffle.  We do have a surprisingly large Latino population now, but they've come relatively recently (most within the past 15 years) and in the Bush and post-Bush economy it's been hard for them to get the secure economic footholds needed before they bother to pay attention to how the place is run.


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Not sure about Patrick's victory,
but very sure that Cahill's candidacy helps him immensely. After reading a lot on Redmassgroup i can state with confidence that Cahill is now a candidate of socially conservative wing of Republican party. He even got a support of Massachusetts right to lifers, and trumpets his vote for McCain against Obama in 2008 on every occasion. So his 17% are taken mostly from potential Baker voters. I agree that 50% isn't too bad for present day governor, but 38% for incumbent liberal Democratic candidate in Democratic Massachusetts is surely bad.

[ Parent ]
If it werent for Cahill
I think this race would lean Republican. PAtrick is unpopular and Baker is a great candidate.

[ Parent ]
Exactly my view as well.
But socially conservative republicans can save Patrick and bring him second term "on silver plate")))

[ Parent ]
Did you bother to read what I wrote? Patrick has positive favorability and job approval......
Patrick is at 51% favorable and 50% job approval.  In a Rasmussen poll.

I don't know how that's "unpopular."

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


[ Parent ]
Most polls
Before have shwon him extremely unpopular.  

[ Parent ]
That
was a while ago. He has been hovering in the forties and has been constituently working his way up. He is not as unpopular as he once was.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
Yup, he's been inching up for quite awhile. (nm)
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43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10

[ Parent ]
Hrm, I'd probably label Patrick v. Baker a toss-up
Charlie Baker is indeed a decent candidate, but, much like Jan Brewer and Ted Strickland, Deval Patrick's ratings seem to be improving. As it stands now, I suspect it's a Lean Dem race, with Baker still having a modest shot if he can only have Cahill implode.

Independent - 41%
Democrat - 40%
GOP - 19%

Baker - 56/13/95 = 46%
Patrick - 44/87/5 = 54%

Baker - 45/10/90 = 39%
Cahill - 20/13/7 = 14%
Patrick - 35/77/3 = 47%

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[ Parent ]
I love Jan Brewer
While she has used this immigration law to rally herself in the primary, if she loses the general, it will be entirely because of the polarization of the Latino electorate going hard for Goddard.  While it looks like we're going to take some hits on the federal level, I am very excited for many gubernatorial contests in 2010.  

Jan Brewer
is one of the luckiest politicians this cycle behind Hickenlooper. She had no part in crafting the bill. All she did was put her signature and she got all of the credit for it. The bill will likely get her re-elected, she would not even be competetive without it. It is repulsive as she has time and time again showed her lack of leadership skills and she gets her ass saved because people are so desperate for action they do not care if it is constitutional or not. Ugh.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

[ Parent ]
I think once the law starts getting
enforced its popularity will sink. I recall one poll showed it's support tied at 45-45 or something like that, when voters were informed of the mandatory identification check. I think a lot of white voters are slapping their approval on this bill without actually knowing what it does. An aggressive campaign against it will change that, as well as constant news of lawsuits and lost tourism, as well as the community campaigns of businesses and local police outfits that are already working against this bill.

If Brewer gets reelected it might end up helping Democrats anyway, because I think she'll soon become unpopular again and drag other Republicans in the state down with her.

Though like others have said, if Goddard can make the race about jobs and public services, he has a shot at winning; I think Rasmussen and Rasmussen alone have invented this memo of the "Brewer surge" and I don't trust them at all at this point. It's white noise, and there's not been another reliable poll. So while she is undoubtedly up by high single digits, I doubt she's crushing the popular former Phoenix mayor and sitting two term Attorney General by a 20 point margin.  


[ Parent ]
My friend, it's not just Rasmussen showing a 20-point lead
[ Parent ]
I was disclusing that poll
because I've never heard of them before, they have very little track record, and they had a ridiculously small portion of the vote for a two-times victorious statewide candidate. I didn't think it was worth attaching a notice, "and also the random, Behavior Research Center poll". Now when I see some other polling, I'll take another look.  

[ Parent ]
I'm with Jwaalk here
I've never heard of BRC.  Rasmussen showing a 20 point lead means absolutely nothing to me.  Unless PPP or Mason Dixon, Survey USA show a 20 point lead, call me skeptical.  Also, like the previous poster also mentioned, the law has yet to be fully enforced.  We'll see if voters still like it in a few months.  

[ Parent ]
They have a track record of at least 10 years.
[ Parent ]
I still find them shaky, most of that is just surveys
Still I was happy to see the headline, "Sheriff Arpaio's popularity collapses in Maricopa County" good to know that this finally happened, after being cited by Amnesty International, being embroiled in good half dozen scandals and cover-ups, several of them shockingly brutal, and being all around Tom Tancredo, his approval ratings have finally slid, possibly due to Arizona's immigration bill, or maybe just because of the latest batch of scandals.  

[ Parent ]
Not very lucky to lose because of it
Popularity with xenophobes in Georgia and Oklahoma doesn't counteract having a large portion of your own electorate highly motivated against you.

Post enforcement though is the only way to judge this... if nothing happens, Latinos will be less motivated.  If it is a mjor pain in the ass for everybody, Brewer will take every bit of the blame.  At the same time, it is impossible to claim any "credit" as the impact of job creation or less border crossing won't be obvious.


[ Parent ]
Im so excited right now
I just made a district that only has 1 less person than the recommended number! I know, I need a life!

I got zero once
with Louisiana interestingly enough. That was a shock.  

[ Parent ]
Im doing LA too
I remember that map that you did. Since you did 3 VRA districts, I've got to try and beat you now. It doesn't look like its happening :(.  

[ Parent ]
It can't :D
I do love my 4 Democrats map, I honestly think it would send Cazayoux into the House, as well as a conservative, Norby Chabert like candidate for the new Baton Rouge Plus the Houma-Morgan City cajun areas district I made. Plus I took out Fleming too. That was an awesome map.  

[ Parent ]
It will be
It may not be pretty but it will be done.  

[ Parent ]
I once
made a district in MA that was exactly the right population. It's in one of my old diaries. it made me happy too, haha.

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[ Parent ]
Thats why this place is nice
It doesn't take much to get us excited! :D

[ Parent ]
Thats why this place is nice
It doesn't take much to get us excited! :D

[ Parent ]
Yeah!
I just burned up oh, around 6 hours in my latest diary!

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[ Parent ]
Projection
I will flesh this out in a diary when we get into August but for what it might be worth to anybody I have just worked out a prediction model and it churned out the following for November...

SENATE - GOP +6
GOVERNORS - GOP +6
HOUSE - GOP +30

Massive caveat being I expect big movement in individual races but IMO that is the situation we are currently looking at if election day were tomorrow.



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