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AR-Sen, AR-Gov: Lincoln Getting Crushed, Beebe Up Just 9

by: DavidNYC

Mon Jul 19, 2010 at 8:57 PM EDT


Zata|3 (D) for Talk Business (7/17, likely voters, no trendlines):

Blanche Lincoln (D-inc): 32
John Boozman (R): 57
Trevor Drown (I): 3
John Gray (G): 2
Undecided: 6

Mike Beebe (D-inc): 50
Jim Keet (R): 41
Undecided: 10
(MoE: ±3.7%)

This is the first non-Rasmussen poll of the race following the June runoff, and while it's certainly a little gaudy for John Boozman, I have every reason to believe this is going to be a painful race to watch. Somewhat frustratingly, Zata3 doesn't provide party breakdowns (PDF). I'll also note that their sample is older and more male than the 2008 exit polls, though of course, 2010 ain't 2008.

Mike Beebe's numbers also stand out - not because they're terrible or anything, but because pretty much everyone had him figured as unassailable, even in a year like this. Indeed, PPP has regularly found him to be one of the most popular governors in the nation, a pretty remarkable feat given how badly almost every incumbent is performing. So it's possible that these numbers are a little too good for Keet, a former state legislator who hasn't held office since 1996 and who's been absolutely swamped on the fundraising front. I definitely would like to see confirmation before concluding this race might be competitive.

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Interesting
Lincoln is the Rick Santorum of 2010.  She will be lucky to do as well as he did in 2006 honestly.

Beebe's numbers are interesting.  I am sure the Republicans wish they ran someone better against him now as some dude is within 10.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


Outside
John Boozman the GOP bench is incredibly shallow. The 2000's were extremely harsh towards the Arkansas GOP which was making some headway in the state. But with Lincoln's atrocious poll numbers, Keet might be able to win, if Boozman wins 70-30, which is certainly possible.

19, Male, Independent, CA-12

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I doubt its this close
But consider the Senate race is swinging Republican heavily and I think the house races give Rpeublicans better chances than recent years and I see no reason why Beebe wouldn't come down to earth.  At the end of the day so long as he wins I don't care about margin, Beebe really won't have great coattails in any race in Arkansas (that I care about) this cycle.

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Marion
Berry's old district is very competetive. Didn't the GOP nominate a nobody with no money? Even so it is Arkansas in 2010 so I think that Causey could use the coattails.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Depends
Pretty sure a nobody/outsider is a good thing right now.  I tend to think that Beebe can't lift anybody on his own this election, but if there is a place, I agree its AR-01.

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Yeah
but with no money is the key part of that. It was really a recruitment fail, this should have been a fairly easy pickup for the Republicans.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Right but...
The Republican just reported more CoH than the Dem last week, so kind of a moot point don't you think?  And the Dems are still fractured as the runoff wasn't exactly pleasant from what I've read.

I know most people think NV, PA, OH or MI will be swinging hardest to the Rpeublicans this cycle, but I personally think its Arkansas.  Having the Clinton's around helped delay this for a good long while.  


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Agree
Arkansas will be a bloodbath for the Democrats.  I suspect the GOP picks up 2 there.

Republicans will get 3 out of Pennsylvania.  The fundraising numbers mean only three of the races are competitive, PA-7, PA-8 and PA-11.  PA-7 and PA-11 will most likely go GOP, but PA-8 is the real wildcard.  I am guessing Fitzpatrick could win by a few thousand because the district resembles many of the areas Christie, McDonnell, and Brown did well in.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


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Except that Murphy
is not Corzine, Deeds, or Coakley.  I think Murphy wins even if the GOP takes the House.  Murphy's seat would only be lost if the GOP has a real tsunami and takes 70 seats.

I agree that PA-7 and PA-11 are going to flip.


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Really?
I honestly did not know that. Retract everything I just said then. I have been rather off tonight, sorry. We can still win it though I suppose, I would like to see some polling before I write it off.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Haha
Apologizing for statements made on a blog.  Nah man its all good.  And what you said was technically true.  Heading into and immediately out of the primary, the Republican nominee was out of cash.  Once he won though, and the Dems had a contentious run-off, he was able to catch up and surpass.  I think that's a tossup seat.

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We have no stable in AR
I guess a current state legislator would have been better, but Democrats control all the statewide offices.

Beebe's approvals may be sky-high, but he only won 55% in 2006 against a good-but-not great GOPer in Asa Hutchinson. Might become a race to watch if AR-Sen, AR-02, and AR-01 are all big Republican wins, but the RGA would be wise to spend elsewhere.

20, CD MA-03/NH-01/MA-08


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Beebe has $2.7 million on hand, while Keet has just over $59k.
Not going to happen.

http://www.blakesthinktank.com...


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Does
this pollster have a good reputation? I have never heard of it. I suppose it would have to in order to make a front page post. I can buy the Lincoln results but I have my doubts about Beebe winning by only nine. I will definitely want confirmation of this. Even Rasmussen has him leading a lot better than this.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

No
It's a right wing outfit.  The "business" in the name gives it away.  They regularly gave McCain a big house effect in 2008.

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Wrong
Talk Business is not the pollster - Zata|3 is, and they say they are a Democratic firm. Indeed, they recently did a poll for Cedric Richmond in LA-02.

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From Zata's website
http://www.zata3.com/about-zat...
Zata|3 helps elect Democrats and advance progressive causes. We're based in Washington, DC with an office in Mississippi. We integrate telephone voter contact programs with a campaign's other messaging.

http://www.zata3.com/history/h...

The Obama Campaign for Change was certainly our highest profile client in 2008.


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OK, so...
how are we supposed to pronounce that name again?  Do we say "pipe" in the middle, or is it a silent pipe?

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Without further evidence, the pronunciation is
the same as POS....

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Do you not like any polls?
Or just the ones with ugly results for Dems? Zeta|3 is a well respected Democratic pollster. They've been around for awhile.  

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After reading more of Zata's "About" info
They seem like an excellent candidate to be the next DK pollster. Read their history -- http://www.zata3.com/history/h...

they've done a lot of internal work for D candidates. Assuming no fake info, their pedigree sounds excellent.


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I have to ask...
is this a reference to "Le-a" by any chance?

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Beebe will be fine
The poll adds up to 101%, no sure what is with that, but that aside, Beebe will win this one easily. Obviously, there will be a lot of ticket splitting happening. If Beebe runs strong in the Delta region, then Chad Causey in AR-1 can squeeze out of win. AR-1 is one of the districts that Dems held onto in 1994 in the midst of total disaster everywhere else, so I'm hoping they retain this time around too.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

adds up to 101%
it means they rounded some numbers up from fractions.  35.7 became 36 (for example).  being over 100 is only odd if it's something high, like 105, or, and there's a hilarious daily show clip of this, a fox news poll that added up to 123%.

Top ten signs you're an SSPer #1: your favorite song is "Panic At Tedisco" and no one understands what you mean.

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I get it now
It's the first time I've seen a poll rounded out like that.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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101%
Usually thats from rounding.  

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Well
Blanche Lincoln felt a little heat from this poll. So she decided to release an internal showing her down only by 9 points. This is from Steve Singiser at the Daily Kos

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

...
and his nightly political wrapup

28, Liberal Democrat, CA-26

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I'll be brave
and say its probably between 25 and 9 for Boozman, LOL

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Lincoln released her internal poll today in response
Shows her down 9. All the usual caveats for internal polls, but I've never heard of ZataI3 or whatever and so I'm thinking I'll take her poll over the pollster equivalent of "random dude." Morevoer, Rasmussen has Beebe up 24, which suggests Zata-dude is off by at least 15 (and that assumes Ras is right), which would be right in line with her internals.

You all (and yes, I mean the writers of this fantastic site ... and I mean that) are completely blinded by your hatred for Lincoln and your disappointment that Halter didn't beat her. You're determined that she's going to get wiped out. It ain't going to happen. Oh, she's quite likely to lose, don't get me wrong. But you don't beat two (or is it three?) term incumbents by twenty plus points if they don't have a huge ethics issue. The state was almost as conservative six years ago (when W romped in AR), and six years before that (during impeachment). And she won both times by double digits, including once over a guy with the same name as her current opponent.

And she's rolling in cash (and Boozman isn't).

This is going to be a half-dozen point race. He has the edge, but if you think 38% of the electorate has soured on her in six years (25% in this poll, plus her 13% margin in 2004), we'll be lucky to have 100 seats in the House when 2010 is over.

All that's going on is Halter's supporters are not (yet) telling pollsters that they'll vote for her, because they're still angry. That will change post Labor Day, especially after she starts spending her back account.

(And no, I really really DON'T like Blanche Lincoln ... Didn't like Halter either, but that's another story).


I
will admit that I mildly supported Halter because I thought he stood a very small chance in the GE while Blanche was DOA. By supported I mean I somewhat hoped he would have won the primary. Although I was most certainly not stupid enough to jump on the Halter fundraising wagon (why give my hard earned cash to someone who stands practically no chance in the general?). However I do not trust hers or anyone's internal polling. This poll does seem a bit off but it is not at all out of question that she loses by twenty points, I would think that is likely and no I am not saying that because I have some deep seated hatred against her but rather I can read polls and follow politics. Rick Santorum did not have any ethical problems in 2006 and he went down bad and the same will happen to Blanche this year.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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Her tactics in regards to polling...
Her tactics in terms of polling are very similar to Santorum's at this point in 2006.  Everyone was released polls with him down by at least 10 including Rasmussen, but he would always have an internal with him down by single digits.  

Blance Lincoln is the Santorum of this cycle.  Unpopular with people from all walks of political life.

23, male, center-right cynical Republican, PA-7


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My Fade Theory
Remember: Senate races typically fade late back to their state's federal lean.
Arkansas is a red state in a red year. That's too big a hill to climb for Lincoln; I think she ultimately loses by 10-15 points.
Unfortunately, my "late fade" theory puts a dark cloud over our chances in Ohio, Missouri, Indiana and especially Kentucky. I know OH and IN went for Obama, but in this cycle they are lean GOP states (as Obama's approval ratings in those states show).
I think Nevada and Colorado are more neutral, as Obama won both states by roughly 10%. Ditto Washington and Wisconsin; a neutral breeze will not be enough to put challengers over strong incumbents in those two states.
Finally, the fade should help in California, Illinois and Delaware where Obama carried these states with 61-62% of the vote. Even in 2010, those are still Democratic states.


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Sounds like you don't know this site
You all (and yes, I mean the writers of this fantastic site ... and I mean that) are completely blinded by your hatred for Lincoln and your disappointment that Halter didn't beat her.

I have never detected hatred for Lincoln on this site. All analysis was based on available polling numbers. And it is --now-- understood that some of the numbers were bogus.


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its also
his first comment in over two years

18, Dem, CA-14 (home) CA-09 (college, next year). social libertarian, economic liberal, fiscal conservative.   Everybody should put age and CD here. :)

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Well, stranger things have happened...
She did manage to raise herself up from the dead in that primary...  She'll need about 10 times that magic to win in the general, but it's always possible, I guess.

Nate's got it at 50:1 odds... you can make a lot of money with that bet!


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She's never lost an election
I don't see her surviving this one, but part of me is hoping that she does, I've always liked Senator Lincoln, even though I don't like many of her votes in the Senate.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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I'm not counting her out...
...the fact that she managed to win that primary proves that she has 9 lives.  She's already gotten one miracle, it's not crazy to believe that she'll get another!

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She
never trailed by this large of a margin in the primary, she underperformed her poll results in the primary, and she only trailed in the fake R2K polls.  

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Yeah it kind of is
I hate to be pessimistic but the only way we win Arkansas is if Boozman has some major gaffes or gets caught with his pants down. Although he would have to get caught with his pants down with a person of the opposite sex to lose at this point. We have a zero chance of winning this. Lincoln did sort of have an upset in the primary but the only polling we saw for the runoff was R2K and it is not like they had a dog in that race or anything. Besides it only showed her down a few points. Name a Senator who has trailed this bad and come back to win. I can't think of any that trailed by this many points and end up winning. Coming back from trailing by double digits is extremely rare but coming back from this is pretty much impossible.  

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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you mean same sex?
remember, it's dead girl or live boy.

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
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Yes that is what I mean
I should probably be getting to bed by the looks of my editing.

Proud member of the Indiana Democratic Party from IN-9.  

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well, poo.
you and everyone else. The internet is so lonely when you're 12-15 hours ahead of the US. :P

21, dude, RI-01 (registered) IL-01 (college)
please help Japan. click "donate funds" in upper right and then "Japan Earthquake and Pacific Tsunami." http://www.redcross.org/


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Blanche is in a tough cycle and that's why her numbers are abysmal
I do think the numbers will look different once the election rolls around, but not by that much. I haven't see the sort of vitriol against Lincoln on this site as on other Progressive sites, it stays pretty mild since we are most psephologists around here and we don't get into policy much.

24, male, African-American, CA-24, Democrat. Chair of the SSP Black Caucus.

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Well, i hope tht at least she will do better in Arkansas then Obama did.


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What in the world are you talking about?......
There's very little anti-Lincoln sentiment on this site.  Indeed, there's very little anti-any Democrat sentiment on this site.

The only "antipathy" toward Lincoln comes from the fact she's getting her ass kicked by Arkansas voters, and as Democrats we SSPers don't like to lose.  So a lot of us were mildly supporting Halter as someone worth it to take a flyer on him.  But not many people here were upset that he lost the runoff.  Some were, but not many.

For my part, I'm perfectly comfortable having a conservaDem Senator from Arkansas.  I accept that conservative states are going to elect either Rethugs or conservaDems, so I'll embrace the conservaDems from there wholeheartedly.

43, male, Indian-American, Democrat, VA-10


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Same here.
I remember the 2004 results that Lincoln overperformed traditional Democratic numbers in northwest Arkansas and underperformed elsewhere, even her old House district. This time, with her opponent being from and having high name ID in northwest Arkansas, she's almost practically toast. That is why I supported Halter.

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28, New Democrat, Female, TX-03 (hometown CA-26)


[ Parent ]
I can buy that Lincoln is down and by double-digits
But I don't actually buy that she'll lose by 25. I ultimately think Lincoln loses by something like 14-15 points, maybe as high as 18 (like Santorum did in 2006) but even in horrible circumstances (which are definitely present for Lincoln) it takes an awful lot for an incumbent to drop below 40%.

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